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Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:26 | Link to Comment Capitalist
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Is that red line the gold price?

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:27 | Link to Comment quebecgold
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Let’s play!

Let free the Tyler Durden in you!

Tomorrow(02/24) everyone tweets ‘’Greece Defaults’’ on twitter at exactly 10:03 (ET).

It’s time to see how bad the Algos will react to this storm of tweets.

Respond to this message saying you are IN!

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:29 | Link to Comment The Shootist
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Sounds good.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:50 | Link to Comment flacon
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Please understand what we are going through. Watch this video before you post anyting, unless you are a troll. 

 

LaRouche's Triple Curve:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXR4euEgDX4

 

 

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:56 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Zero Hedge is far too optimistic.

The real debt is on a 90 degree axis, whether one chooses to believe former Chief U.S. Comptroller David M. Walker, or former Reagan Economic Advisor Laurence Kotlikoff.

 

(60 trillion USD or 202 trillion USD, depending on whether to take future "obligatory" entitlement program spending into account)

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:59 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I'm confused, are we tweeting "Greece defaults" or "America defaults"?

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:01 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Either. You can add another dozen nations, most developed ones, such as Japan, Italy, Spain, France the UK and Japan to the list.

 

And congratulations to President Obama, who has managed to oversee a near tripling of the *official* national debt from the time he gave his eloquent speech as a senator justifying his vote against a debt ceiling hike just 6 short years ago:

 

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies.

 

Over the past 5 years, our federal debt has increased by $3.5 trillion to $8.6 trillion.That is “trillion” with a “T.” That is money that we have borrowed from the Social Security trust fund, borrowed from China and Japan, borrowed from American taxpayers. And over the next 5 years, between now and 2011, the President’s budget will increase the debt by almost another $3.5 trillion.

 

Numbers that large are sometimes hard to understand. Some people may wonder why they matter. Here is why: This year, the Federal Government will spend $220 billion on interest. That is more money to pay interest on our national debt than we’ll spend on Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. That is more money to pay interest on our debt this year than we will spend on education, homeland security, transportation, and veterans benefits combined. It is more money in one year than we are likely to spend to rebuild the devastated gulf coast in a way that honors the best of America.

 

And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the Federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on.

 

Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America’s priorities."

 

 

Senator Barack Obama
Senate Floor Speech on Public Debt
March 16, 2006

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:41 | Link to Comment I should be working
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That was before he went from fighting the power to just in power. WTF difference does it make anymore? Just make up a bunch more money on some computer at the NY fed and be done with it.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 03:32 | Link to Comment sitenine
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Bingo! And it looks like that is EXACTLY what they are doing. I read some weird shit sometimes, but nothing quite as weird as this:

Lord James of Blackheath: $15 Trillion Transferred to HSBC Connected to JP Morgan and Federal Reserve

http://silverdoctors.blogspot.com/2012/02/lord-james-of-blackheath-myste...

 

Does anyone have verification that any of this is true?  I mean, if this is true, then holy fuck.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 04:48 | Link to Comment azusgm
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Foundation 'X' speech from over a year ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaA-5_IjkeE

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 06:10 | Link to Comment putaipan
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hey boss- this really is rabbit hole stuff, but kind of fun anyway....
before  Blackheath II- there was  Blackheath I where he said foundation x offered to pay all of great britons debt
and don't forget the first time "fake bonds" showed up in italy. what is wierd is that any mention of this stuff
always showed up on the most mamby pansy new age unicorn sites. think nasara . anyhoo- here are some of the
better linkys.
 
 
http://wtsnb.blogspot.com/ written by a weird looking lady with a banking backgound that writes fictional accounts of simular stuff
 
http://chasvoice.blogspot.com/2011/12/confirmed-trillion-dollar-lawsuit-that.html#axzz3auUFHarF summery of the fulford
referenced law suit filed in ny.
 
http://www.foundlifegh3.com/Blank.html
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38491-White-Spiritual-Boy
these two are more from the philipines/japanese style beare bonds (i think these are the type of documents blackhieth refers to) http://www.scribd.com/doc/9421535/Collateral-Damage-Part-2-The-Subprime-Crisis-and-the-Terrorist-Attacks-on-September-11-200126122008
 
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/presenting-exchange-stabilization-fund-5-parts-real-plunge-protection-team
if you missed this guy, son of one of the founders of the fed blaming treasury dept. for this kind of stuff
 
http://bullionbullscanada.com/us-commentary/24220-the-15-trillion-money-laundering-mystery your link, thnx
 
 
 
 
Fri, 02/24/2012 - 13:25 | Link to Comment sitenine
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Thank you. I was feeling all tin foily there for a while. Stranger days I can't recall - separating truth from fiction has become surprisingly difficult lately.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:27 | Link to Comment VelvetHog
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Nobama was born of a donwind shart.  Give the little fella a break.  He's so busy "changing" things that he loses sight of the deficit from time to time.  Poor little fella.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 02:18 | Link to Comment MolotovCockhead
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Typical case of "Pot calling the Kettle black" syndrome.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:25 | Link to Comment sodbuster
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Shit! It's a two-fer! Do both!!

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 03:43 | Link to Comment Bringin It
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This is how the borg-collective-hive shows the posse shaping up at this time

Greece

http://www.google.com/trends/?q=greece+defaults&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&...

and America

http://www.google.com/trends/?q=America+defaults&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all...

The data seems to indicate Greece is winning.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:07 | Link to Comment data_monkey
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Thank you. Earlier today when I did a quick calculation, I came up with $138Trillion but I probably missed something(s). and I'm not good with numbers so what do I know? I'll run with the Trillions number. Probably safer.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:28 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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No one should be anything but completely, batshit, green shoot optimistic.

Brian Wesbury, chief economist of First Trust Advisors (possibly the largest douchebag of sellside on the planet - that is saying A LOT) said so.

As a reminder, the last time 'ole Brian was this cocky...err confident....aww screw it, here are his past gems and the dates he flung them out like sharts of loose stools from his anal cavity:

 

Brian Westbury on CNBC on, 12/24/2007, “The US Equity market is about 25% undervalued today.” S&P500 at the time 1496

Brian Westbury on CNBC on, 1/22/2008, “There is really no evidence that the economy has turned over” “Initial unemployment claims were at 301 thousand in the latest reporting week. This is so far from a recessionary level I’m like, I’m shaking my head at anybody who thinks we’re in a recession.”
Already 1 month into the great recession

Brian Westbury on CNBC on, 1/24/2008, “Well I’ve never felt like we even came close to a recession, nor would we come close to a recession”
as above

Brian Westbury on CNBC on, 3/20/2008, “We’re not going to have a recession. In fact the economy is going to finish the year on a very, very strong note……Our forecasts say about 2% growth here in the first quarter and probably about one to one and a half in the second quarter. So we think we’re going to avoid anything that looks like a recession this year, yeah there’s some weak data right now, ahh but to me it does not look like recessionary kinds of data.”
3 months into recession

Brian Westbury on CNBC on, 5/30/2008, “I think the thing that’s different here, is that it’s now very clear that the economy, at least to me, is going to avoid a recession that the Fed is now done cutting rates dramatically, in fact may be raising rates pretty soon and that’s a whole different environment and that’s I think good for the stockmarket which means the economy is stronger and is also negative for oil”
5 months into recession

Brian Westbury on CNBC on, 5/30/2008, “I think that they will take it back mainly because we’re gonna be growing at a three and half to four percent rate in the second half of the year and inflation is not gonna go away, in other words it’s gonna be so obvious to everyone that they need to be raising rates that it’s not just taking it back it’s really they’re gonna have to react or they’re gonna have a problem the other way.
as above

Brian Westbury on CNBC on, 5/30/2008, “I think we’re gonna, I think this market is gonna take off, our Dow forecast by the end of the year is still 15,000.

Brian Westbury on Kudlow and Co, 06/21/2008, “The economy is now coming out of its slow period, our forecast is that we’re going to have three, three and a half percent growth in the second half of this year.”
6 months into recession

Brian Westbury on Kudlow and Co, 09/05/2008, “….between December and June, gasoline prices went up 17 cents a month, it was a killer, people were shocked, and I believe that’s what we’re seeing here, it’s just a shock to the system, we’re now bouncing back, auto sales soared and truck sales soared in August, I think this economy is nowhere near a recession.”
9 months into recession

Brian Wesbury on Kudlow and Co, 1/8/2009 in answer to the question what will the unemployment rate be after the December unemployment report:
probably up to about seven and quarter percent but that’s going to be the worst Larry, this is it, it’s the worst.
unemployment subsequently hit 10%

Brian Westbury on CNBC on, 12/22/2009, “But I still think by the end of next year we will have 5 maybe even 5 and a half percent interest rates because I expect an economy that’s growing at 5, 5 and a half percent.”

 

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:36 | Link to Comment longdong silver
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It would be far more effective, to hold hands and sing koom by yaa.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 01:07 | Link to Comment Don Smith
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I think on CNBC it's "Kam BOO yah!"

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 07:06 | Link to Comment _ConanTheLibert...
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KABOOM yah

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:50 | Link to Comment I should be working
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Yeah but you can't time the market by doing the opposite of a broken clock. He is always bullish because that's his job. I'm sure he was also saying stupid bullish shit in 2004 through 2006.

I don't worry when these guys are bullish morons because they always are. When the public starts going batshit crazy over stocks then it's time to get scared.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:02 | Link to Comment LowProfile
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Flinging...  Sharts...  You sir, are a wordsmith.

That reminded me of this http://4closurefraud.org/2010/05/14/pompous-prognosticators-chart-of-the...

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:09 | Link to Comment Pairadimes
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Either no one has ever listened to this guy, or he has world-class security.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:09 | Link to Comment Element
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OMG! ... he should have landed a no-bell prize by now ... wtf?!

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:12 | Link to Comment palmereldritch
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Brian Westbury on CBS Radio, Pearl Harbour, December 7, 1941, “Despite the endless strafing this bodes well for Japanese tourism.”

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:29 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Brian Wesbury stars in Animal House:

 

Animal House: Germans Bombed Pearl Harbor - YouTube
Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:28 | Link to Comment palmereldritch
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Brian Westbury on NBC Radio, Lakehurst Naval Air Station, May 6, 1937, “An unconventional landing for an unconventional air ship!”

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 01:05 | Link to Comment Don Smith
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sharts of loose stools from his anal cavity...

I believe that is called Santorum.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 01:13 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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called santorum and looks more bammaish..

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 08:56 | Link to Comment Kaaos
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To TruthInSunshine: That was amuzing post regarding Brian Wesbury (newer heard before, lucky me). I went to look First Trust Advisors (Trust me!) Monday Morning Outlook posts all back to 2007. Unbelievable bullshit, how they can have any clients left with the permabull writings all over 2007-2008 whit the DOW target 15K on April 2008. This guy was ranked the nations #1 U.S economic forecaster  on year 2001 by WSJ!

Hillarious headlines (last post 25th of August "Long Term Trend Still Bullish"):

OMG!

  8/25/2008 Long Term Trend Still Bullish 8/18/2008 Commodity Price Slide Not a Good Reason to Postpone Rate Hikes 8/11/2008 What Hath The Fed Wrought? 8/4/2008 GDP Report "Mis-Underestimated" July 2008 7/28/2008 Stocks: The Only Game in Town? 7/21/2008 Growth Was Solid in Q2 7/14/2008 Don't Forget Government Failure 7/7/2008 Where Does Inflation Come From? June 2008 6/30/2008 Freedom and Optimism 6/23/2008 Commodity Peak, Dollar Bottom 6/16/2008 The Phantom Recession is Already Over 6/9/2008 No Oil Recession 6/2/2008 Cap and Trade Trap May 2008 5/27/2008 Bubble Trouble 5/19/2008 Yes, We Have No Bananas 5/12/2008 Deficit Rising, But Tax Hikes Not Warranted 5/5/2008 Economic Fundamentals Say No Recession April 2008 4/28/2008 Still No Recession 4/21/2008 Monday Morning Outlook - A Stronger Dollar Requires Tighter Money 4/14/2008 More Inflation: On Its Way 4/7/2008 Still at Dow 15000
Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:06 | Link to Comment Unprepared
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Is this like Ghostbusters where crossing the streams causes the world to implode?...

 

 

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 03:16 | Link to Comment Michael
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If I owned stock in the Federal Reserve, I'd really be seriously thinking about selling my stock right now.

The Fed is stuffed to the rafters with toxic waste.

 

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 03:59 | Link to Comment Dr Zaius
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Does it really matter?  Phony money was used to pay for phony assets. 

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 08:36 | Link to Comment ONO47
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They already know they have no choice but to default on future "obligatory" entitlement programs. The devaluation is the 'initial' step and then the default will escalate to no payments at all. They will use words like 'Shared sacrifice' and 'skin in the game' and all that. 

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:07 | Link to Comment whatsinaname
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gurgle gurgle

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:39 | Link to Comment sitenine
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Exactly right @flacon!

For any curious folk out there; if you want to learn more about LaRouche's Triple Curve, and you really should, please consider watching this great video:

"LPACTV: Rosa Luxemburg and LaRouche's Triple Curve"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=mB22TjDcHeI

Basically, EVERYTHING going on right now, including 'biflation' was written about and published in 1913 (does that year ring a bell??), and it was predicted in great detail by LaRouche in the very early 70's.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 01:15 | Link to Comment flacon
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Right on man! Right on! Too many people do not understand this. 

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 02:02 | Link to Comment Demologos
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Triple curve is right!  But there needs to be a correction to GDP numbers.  It used to be a measure of what the country physically produced.  Now it is composed of phony stock valuations, inflated real estate transactions, porn movie revenues, iPad sales, solar energy companies gone bust, speculation-driven spiking commodity prices, casino profits, call girl income, drug money laundering, and political campaign expenditures.  Using a GDP number based on the old fashioned economy of actually making things, the real production curve in the Triple Curve graph would have headed south much sooner than using today's GDP numbers.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 02:14 | Link to Comment flacon
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GDP according to Keynes = that which is CONSUMED. Look it up, PRODUCTION = CONSUMPTION. It's the most famous equation in the entire world, even more famous than that E = mc^2. KEYNES SAID THAT CONSUMPTION = PRODUCTION. The only other equation that comes even close to the fame of Keynes is 1 + 1 = 2, but even that is disputed. Keynes is never disputed. THE MORE WE CONSUME THE MORE GDP RISES, AND THE MORE MONEY THE GOVERNMENT PRINTS THE MORE GDP RISES AND THAT IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT LIKE YOU WILL FAIL YOUR MAJOR IN UNIVERSITY IF YOU REFUTE THAT! 

 

bull shit! 

 

FUCK YOU KEYNES! One can not CONSUME his way to prosperty, and you the fucker know that! 

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 04:11 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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While production does not equal consumption, production is consumption.

The issue is not with the admittance of this basic fact.

The issue is that US citizens have pushed the fallacy that they could overcome the environment, that the environment was no limits to them (contrary to all the other inferior people)

That is the issue.

So what do we have now? In order to rationalize a massive theft that has even gone against their own creed, US citizens have forced the idea they were stealing from inferior people who could not manage their own resources properly.

US citizens would do so much better.

The result: largest, fastest depletion of the environment on a global scale, nowhere to run, nowhere to hide.

Work is consumption. Production is consumption. Now, if you have a way to avoid that little fact, working without consuming resources, well, feel free to patent it and up to the stars and beyond.

For once, we'll get a US citizen saviour of humanity. This will change from their usual but untold role as the gravedigger for humanity.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 07:34 | Link to Comment ----------- End...
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The triple curve is useful to understand the current economic collapse, but that guys solution appears to be more of the same.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 07:53 | Link to Comment MarkTwainsMustache
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Even economists with big white beards can get it wrong!!! What a relief.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 09:29 | Link to Comment Jason T
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I just reviewed that yesterday and it's happening!  Look at gasoline stocks and usage.  Look at our Cattle count in the US.. back to 1954 levels.  The physical economy is disintigrating.. the only commercial activity growing is speculation.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 10:07 | Link to Comment hangemhigh77
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well he can't be right because  he has a beard, so everything he said is a conspiracy theory.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:30 | Link to Comment Ivanovich
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Awesome!  I'm in!

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:35 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
Fri, 02/24/2012 - 03:50 | Link to Comment wandstrasse
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I would also like to join ... where can I buy such a 'Twitter'?

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 05:08 | Link to Comment TuesdayBen
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They're usually right next to the Twinkies

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:45 | Link to Comment optimator
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I love it.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:00 | Link to Comment Dr. Richard Head
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I promoted my bullshit site for those family stickers - just two passing posts. The stickers are more realistic with drunken, chain-smoking father, pissed mom, arguing kids, and pooping dog (my family I guess). I pulled over 5,000 visits over a two-hour period. I would imagine a message like this would hit viral Anon style. Fucking overload.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:01 | Link to Comment JPM Hater001
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I put a reminder in my calendar

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:22 | Link to Comment Comay Mierda
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Fuck yea dude, unleash the twitter assault, stupid algos have hijacked the market. the funny thing is we will trigger another flash crash and the regulators will pretend nothing happened.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 01:03 | Link to Comment Don Smith
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I will tweet "Greece annonuces it will default on it's sovereign debt. #Greecedefaults" at 7:03 PST to all whopping 108 of my followers. Then I will RT any other #Greecedefaults hashtags.  Sounds fun!

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 01:30 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Can you tweet that The Bernank choked on his morning Cinnabon and was unable to be revived, and that Paul Volcker has been nominated in a hasty Rose Garden presser as his replacement?

That really ought to give the algo scanning bots a mind fark.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 02:58 | Link to Comment Don Smith
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7:04.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 03:57 | Link to Comment Element
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Nah, they'll determine that we're the source of 'error' and unleash the nukes.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 01:57 | Link to Comment Malachi Constant
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10:30 EST, no? Got my tweet scheduled for that moment.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 03:00 | Link to Comment Don Smith
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No, 10:03.  Change your Twuffer.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 02:14 | Link to Comment palmereldritch
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A Trojan Twitter about Greece as a gift for the Algos. How ironic.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 03:44 | Link to Comment OldPhart
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That's 7am for me, I'm out.  And since I'm not a Twit (don't know how) what are my daisy chain options? 

 

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 04:12 | Link to Comment DrunkHarryReid
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#greecedefaults

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 04:26 | Link to Comment DrunkHarryReid
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Certainly having #greecedefaults as a trending hashtag on twitter is an admirable goal that will bake the klystrons.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 08:50 | Link to Comment _ConanTheLibert...
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OK, this would be 15:03 GMT.

I don't use Twitter. Any website I can go to send the message?

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 11:00 | Link to Comment Zymurguy
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I'm game... but what is a tweet?

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 17:27 | Link to Comment css1971
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What time is ET in UTC?

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:25 | Link to Comment longdong silver
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this is Bullish Silver....biches.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:41 | Link to Comment longdong silver
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None of this is important right now.

Nascar is on television.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:17 | Link to Comment LongSoupLine
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"Houston, we have target intercept...go for operation "silver spike"".

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 09:06 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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They are both chem trails. When mixed they act like something similar to mustard gas.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:27 | Link to Comment quebecgold
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Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:29 | Link to Comment AN0NYM0US
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with the title of this article I thought for a moment that Mr Ego had returned.

 

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:27 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Red line needs to go parabolic in order to maintain growth in a "traditional" eCONomic model. Interesting times indeed.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:33 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:43 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Infinite growth is only needed to support infinite theft.  Remove the theft, and you no longer need growth.  You get it anyways thanks to the wonder of free markets, but you don't need it.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:20 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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I'm for thwarting INFINITE THEFT...

Somehow... the "believer" in me thinks that NATURE plays the ultimate card (whereby the "infinite growth" hand is trumped)...

I doubt I'll be wrong on that "on a long enough timescale"...

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~as you say... That's the wonder of free markets (even the hijacked ones)...

 

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:48 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Capital is an amazing thing.  It lets you do more with less.  With enough highly refined/advanced capital, one can do practically anything with practically nothing.  To the point of being indestinguishable from magic.

That is the real future, beyond the periodic thefts and failures of governments.  Knowledge and means of communication are too widely dispersed to stop it.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:10 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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"Capital"...

What a concept! :-)

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 07:00 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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it is. it is the apple tree you planted years ago. it is the power facility you built years ago. it is every road and bridge and train.

it is education used to improve things.

Capital is all the effort made in the past in order to improve the future while making the present good

on this, even the communists agree

what the NeoKeynesians don't understand is for capital accumulation you forego present consuption for future consumption

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 09:29 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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It is if you ignore the fact that there is a cost for creating capital without adding any real value.  Capital can be mal-invested, so not quite Tom.  What the fuck do you care anyway your "entire wealth is being held in physical silver".  Like me I thought you were positioned for the collapse of gevernment.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 10:29 | Link to Comment Chump
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Of course capital can be malinvested.  The malinvestor(s) then lose(s) that capital.  Duh.

You're bringing a stupid grudge into an unrelated post.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 08:52 | Link to Comment _ConanTheLibert...
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Infinite growth is only needed to support infinite theft.

So true.

 

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 09:32 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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"Remove the theft, and you no longer need growth."

Somewhat simplistic and stupid.  Remove the theft and I promise you the human population will keep growing.  Far too many ignorant "baby-mommas" and "good christians" out there.  Every sperm is sacared after all.  But I guess if you are fine with massive starvation then you are correct.  You seem to contradict yourself tom, I thought I was supposed to be the death worshipper not you.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:28 | Link to Comment YesWeKahn
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It is only 60% away from Greek level, not far at all.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:40 | Link to Comment data_monkey
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Add in State debt and both State and Federal Unfunded Liabilities and see what happens...

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 08:53 | Link to Comment _ConanTheLibert...
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Well shit happens

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:29 | Link to Comment SteveGennisonBa...
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I like that idea, I'm in.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:30 | Link to Comment mpelbidu1447
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Skiing anyone? I'll stay on the bunny slope

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 08:28 | Link to Comment RiverRoad
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Gonna be an avalanche on those slopes fer sure.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:31 | Link to Comment CClarity
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The insoluble situation in a simple picture.  Well done ZH

Imagine when Global GDP goes down and interest rates sky, making the debt burden as servicing costs rocket upwards.   Ugly bugly!!!

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:30 | Link to Comment Motorhead
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Charts, bitchez!

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:30 | Link to Comment slewie the pi-rat
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great chart, tyler!!!

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:32 | Link to Comment Tortfeasor
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Slopes?  

I thought that was a US chart, not a China chart. 

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:32 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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A golden-cross??  ;-)

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:19 | Link to Comment VelvetHog
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No, that's Golden Shower as  in, for The People.  Is it just me or is it raining again?

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:35 | Link to Comment BLOTTO
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The Golden Ratio

In Finance.

It is used in trading algorithms, applications and strategies. Some typical forms include: the Fibonacci fan, the Fibonacci arc, Fibonacci retracement and the Fibonacci time extension.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:33 | Link to Comment blindman
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didn't ben say he would not monetize the gdp?

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 04:02 | Link to Comment Element
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Satanists worship the "Father of Lies", the "Great Deceiver".

Like father, like son.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:35 | Link to Comment flying dutchmen
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and of course of accuracy of the GDP is somwhat fradulent.  There is no growth millions unemployed, millions more on food stamps and we are supposed to believe USA is more productive.  its just inflated dollars.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:36 | Link to Comment Coke and Hookers
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Since the increase in debt shows up in the GDP, how about subtracting the increase in cumulative debt from the GDP continously to show the real "progress" or "growth" of the economy? I could give it a shot if I can get the numbers behind the graph.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:36 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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I think we're gonna need a higher order derivative

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:46 | Link to Comment Hulk
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Not a problem, we have at our disposal an infinite number of integers!!!

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:55 | Link to Comment HD
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A bigger derivative indeed. What could go wrong?

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEll1mpoSvQ

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:38 | Link to Comment DionysusDevotee
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Raise taxes.  Problem solved.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:55 | Link to Comment Milton William ...
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Yes. Let's steal from people..that will make everything better

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:21 | Link to Comment WonderDawg
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Not to mention, the gubmint can't possibly tax enough to cover the deficit, it result in a catastrophic implosion of the economy. I mean, the economy is going to crash anyway, but trying to tax our way out of it is ridiculous. How about the gubmint stop spending beyond its means? Novel idea.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 17:23 | Link to Comment css1971
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WTF? Americans have developed a sense of irony?

I knew it was something to do with the loss of an empire.

 

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 01:22 | Link to Comment Bear
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I think you have had one too many (based upon your name of course)

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 03:22 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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Your homework for today is to calculate the government's total debt and divide it by:-

a) The number of working stiffs in the economy.

b) The population of the country

Secondly, find the level of private debt in the country.

Find the mean level of disposible income and divide the debt by the number of working stiffs.

Add the private debt and public debt together and divide it by the number of working stiffs.

Now, add the unfunded liabilities and the off-balance-sheet war costs to the total and divide it by the number of working stiffs.

Hand your assignment to your parents for signing when you have completed this exercise.

You will be assessed on the number of buckets that you fill with vomit.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 05:40 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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Google and calculators, old stinky.

Sat, 02/25/2012 - 12:11 | Link to Comment dizzyfingers
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DionysusDevotee :

Raises taxes on whom? The very small percentage that still pays taxes? The 5%?

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:39 | Link to Comment randocalrissian
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At least this isn't a chart of two airplanes' trajectory, that would be really ugly.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 03:24 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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Every landing of an aircraft is recognized as a controlled crash. I don't think this will be one of those passages of good fortune.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:39 | Link to Comment tajitj
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That is a text book Keynesian recovery.

 

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:40 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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"America is fine!"

          -Cramer

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 08:57 | Link to Comment _ConanTheLibert...
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First of all, America doesn't exist anymore. What a moron!

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:40 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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That Red line going up...uh...that's bullish right?

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:42 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Classic Gartman... Bottom left to top right...

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 01:04 | Link to Comment tickhound
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I own gold in both tulip and south sea federation credit terms.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:40 | Link to Comment Pants McPants
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Forgive me, but the first thing that popped into my head when I saw that chart was that old Atari game Missile Command (!)

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:43 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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"Asteroids" bitchez!

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:04 | Link to Comment Encroaching Darkness
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"Battle Zone" guy myself; hate those saucers!

Cf: A) Two Atari software games derived from the original Battle Zone arcade game;

B) Keith Laumer's "Bolo" series of SF books: "Nothing that big should move, let alone move that FAST!"

I want one; durachrome steel, built-in AI, Hellbore cannons, the works.

 

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:21 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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HYPERSPACE bitchez!

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:34 | Link to Comment jomama
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took the words out of my mouth

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 01:48 | Link to Comment OldTrooper
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You're showing your age there, Pants.  But I had the same thought.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:43 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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It's the speculators fault.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:55 | Link to Comment Zero Debt
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They couldn't have done it without the evil blogosphere.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:46 | Link to Comment zurakowg
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Two caveats or comments on this otherwise fine chart: 1) the GDP is something that is increasingly being over-stated (I get a parking ticket, the GDP just went up but what kind of product is that?) 2) the debt is understated as more and more stuff has gone off-budget and become an "unfunded liability". Greece hid a lot of its debt too. The bottom line: The real charts would be even more scary!

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:16 | Link to Comment dwayne elizando
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Well they should just create derivatives on parking tickets. Hedge them fines and watch CME go wild with them.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:47 | Link to Comment harmonymonkey
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Denninger??  Izzat you?

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:47 | Link to Comment AmazingLarry
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Motherfuck? Red + blue = purple? WE'RE INTO PURPLE NOW!?!?!??!?

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 10:41 | Link to Comment exi1ed0ne
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Wait until we go plaid

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:47 | Link to Comment snblitz
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Someone wrote that once a government passes a certain amount of debt the government does not intend to pay it back nor does it care how much it piles on. I think it was mentioned (or at least recorded) around the time of the Roman Empire.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 17:18 | Link to Comment css1971
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1 penny.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:48 | Link to Comment HD
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For those concerned about a possible US debt default - HD Advisors, a subsidiary of BS industries is offering a US debt CDS for a mere 2.7 billion per quarter. Why worry needlessly? A credit event could happen at any moment. Give yourself the piece of mind that comes from paying us to pretend we'll pay you.

 

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:51 | Link to Comment Cheesy Bastard
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A Simple Matter Of Slopes

 Attention:  If you work at ESPN do not use this headline when discussing the Knicks.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:13 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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i see Gook wasnt on the list....so thats good

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:20 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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The holes in your cheese could be considered chinks, if you use it as a breast plate that is..

Ahh, shit I'm a racist and didn't know it, that's just great..

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:30 | Link to Comment Cheesy Bastard
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+1 chink in the armor.  If he gets a leg cramp, do not under any circumstances refer to it as a charlie horse.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:39 | Link to Comment Agent P
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You are a Linsensitive bastard!

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:49 | Link to Comment max2205
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SHLD up 100% in 3 weeks. I smell froth.

Nancy P. where are you; the speculators are running up stocks

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 22:59 | Link to Comment HD
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Froth? So, a broken, poorly run company with no real future explodes higher on nothing is froth? That's not how CNBC tells it.

Thu, 02/23/2012 - 23:03 | Link to Comment Eric L. Prentis
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Correction: The chart shows US GDP vs. National Debt (Federal, State and Local).

 

Total Debt includes public and private debt, which is about 370% of GDP.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 00:45 | Link to Comment thedrickster
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The Brits are so much better at everything, total debit, 800%+ GDP colonist bitchez.

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 04:26 | Link to Comment Shigure
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Here's a Brit idea to fix the problem:

Fix the Money System (in 3 parts, about 30mins in total) from http://www.positivemoney.org.uk/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhsFmFc59nk&feature=related

 

Fri, 02/24/2012 - 17:16 | Link to Comment css1971
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Fixing the monetary system is technically trivial.

It's politically impossible. Too many make too much from it. They would rather nuke the planet than allow the system to be changed.

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