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Sky News Reports Israel Preparing For Preemptive Strike On Iran
First Fukushima made a repeat appearance last night with news of a repeat fission incident, a topic which has gotten absolutely zero media coverage as discussing beta, let alone gamma decay, is considered uncouth in refined society; now it is time for the fallback geopolitical hotbed to enter the stage. Sky News has reported that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is trying to rally support in his cabinet for an attack on Iran, according to government sources. "The country's defence minister Ehud Barak and the foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman are said to be among those backing a pre-emptive strike to neutralise Iran's nuclear ambitions. But a narrow majority of ministers currently oppose the move, which could trigger a wave of regional retaliation. The debate over possible Israeli military action has reached fever pitch in recent days with newspaper leader columns discussing the benefits and dangers of hitting Iran. Mr Lieberman responded to the reports of a push to gain cabinet approval by saying that "Iran poses the most dangerous threat to world order." But he said Israel's military options should not be a matter for public discussion." Which makes one wonder: why is Sky News reporting on this, and why is it a matter for public discussion?
More from Sky:
The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) is due to report on the state of Iran’s nuclear capabilities on November 8, and that assessment is likely to influence Israel’s decision.
Western intelligence officials estimate that Iran is still at least two to three years away from obtaining a nuclear bomb.
Israel has long made it clear that it will not allow Iran to obtain a nuclear capability that could threaten the Jewish State.
Publicly it is pushing for a diplomatic offensive against Iran - including the imposition of sanctions - rather than a military strike.
But prime minister Netanyahu has repeatedly warned that all options are on the table.
Israel's former defence minister Benjamin Ben-Eliezer told Haraatez newspaper that he feared a "horror scenario" if Israel attacked Iran.
Washington is also strongly opposed to Israel taking unilateral action.
Any strike on Iran could trigger retaliation from Iran and across the region.
Syria, a close ally of Tehran, could also launch attacks, along with the Iranian-backed Hizbollah militia in Lebanon.
All of this will surely end well if enacted. In the meantime, we present our favorite weekly chart update which we don't show nearly enough.
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Why do they test for Jewish DNA for aliyah?
*SEMITIC* DNA.
99% of Arabs would pass that test, as they are closely related to the Jews who fled Israel. Indeed, the Palestinians are Jews who remained behind, and converted to Islam and interbred with their conquerers. The Israelis are murdering and oppressing their own cousins. Why? Because they took on a different religion...
most of those Israeli's don't have a drop of semitic blood in their bodies. they are central europeans.
I figured they were looking for Ashkenazi DNA. I could save them alot of time though. Just check for a reflection in a mirror.
Yeah right... the old "Jewishness is a religion, not a race" bullshit.. If you think that, you are a moron..
Are you related? All you morons look the same to me.
Actually it is a religion. I can convert anytime I wish to. Sammy Davis Jr. did. Why couldn't I?
However by your rationale my race is Catholic, or more specifically a Catholic Irish Canuck and white. But the same rationale all Germans are not actually German, they are Protestants they just happened to be white and speak German.
Any other Germans practicing Catholicism are Catholics not Protestants and are a genetic aberration from the norm.
So if Germans were Protestants, and Germans killed 50 million Jews during World War 2, then by that logic the Protestant race killed 50 million Jews. Ergo, the enemy of my enemy is my enemy.
Is that how logic works?
That hand is so played.. Can we please move on? Jesus fucking Christ.. You know it's bullshit.. There are more Jews that are athiests than any other race.. They are still Jewish.. I know plenty of them.. Jews that are Christians.. but still Jews... right?... Stop insulting everyone and making yourself look like a moron..
It is totally played?
As previously mentioned...edgy teenager.
Citizenship of Israel is based on descent. ie, you can be an athiest, but if you have a 'certified' Jewish mother, you will be allowed Israeli citizenship. Whereas you can be as fervent a Judaist as you like, but if you've got a shiksa mother, they won't let you in in a month of Sabbaths, unless you get 'certified' by a 'certified' rabbi.
Very clever little essay on the dangers of people conflating Anti-Zionism with antisemitism:
http://www.rense.com/general25/whtis.htm
It's a whitelist religion basically like any one of the thousands of bread and butter religions that use temples, Synagogues, Churches, Mosques...
No big deal.
No, because you couldn't (for instance) get US citizenship just because your mother was caucasian.
LOL.... and that makes about as much sense as saying Ashkenazi 'Jews' are entitled to take Palesinian land.
...sigh...what did people do before world war 2 prior to the reinvention of Israel by England drawing the lines on a map 2000 years after the fact?
Lizzy, pick a topic you understand!
Sad and true and thats coming from a Jew!
Mad rhyme, yo.
Wow. That chart is all volatile and shit.
totally dude.
Was wondering why there has been a barrage of Hitler doc's on the tube lately, seems even more so than normal, if that's possible? ... got to get that sympathy card out and ready to play...
Yes, whenever Israel has been behaving reprehensibly, we get a rash of Holocaust reminders on the BBC too.
How bout the hypocrisy of holocaustians like Talmudist Professor Deborah Lipstadt, who denies the "allies" (the good guys?) incinerated 40k German civilians during WW2 in Dresden?
How bout the fact that several people are now in prison in Canada and Europe for not accepting that Aushwitz ovens killed 6 million Jews? Talk about thought police!
Any event so certain speaks for itself. You don't need to imprison people for debating it!
Let's make it a crime to deny the resurrection! To deny the Dresden holocaust! No takers?
But Bill O'Reilly says America never targets civilians!
Actually Obama, Netanyahoo and Lieberman pose the most dangerous threat to world order.
But of course that can't be stated in polite company...
Actually the people who own and control Obama, Netanyahoo and Lieberman and countless other world leaders pose the most dangerous threat to world order.
There, I took the liberty of revising and extending your comments for you.
You are quite welcome!
exactly, so maybe it is now time we identify them by name so that we can finaly stop them.
Umm...I don't quite follow the trifecta. How does Barry align with Yahoo and Joe's-long-lost-cousin? I'm not sure Barry's agenda in all these nearby states, esp. as I see Al Quaeda's flag hoisted above Benghazi...
What's changed to make Yahoo der Cowboy look to close the deal on the "authorization" he's sought for what, 10 years?
"In the meantime, we present our favorite weekly chart update which we don't show nearly enough."
Keep your eye on CVN 76.
It's the LHDs I'm anxious about.
Its the subs I want to know about
Coincidentally, it was announced yesterday that the Arab league reached a deal with the Syrian government to end the bloody crackdown on protestors. I wonder if Syria folded on supporting Iran and Hizbullah in the case of a Israeli attack.
how long did Qadaffi's stay of execution last when he came "into the fold"? They made a big example out of him. Nobody would much care if the West decided to redux on Assad.
The east has learnt this lesson, thus the mad scramble for aircraft carriers by India and China. Force projection of this kind may not let you truly conquer another nation but you can stoke a rebellion and provide crippling air support against the regime you've decided not to like.
this is to stop the vote next month on palestine with the UN security council - cant have vote during war.
Israel's looking to start WWIII...China and Russia won't be too happy if they follow through with this.
"China and Russia won't be too happy"
That is precisely why Israel will lose. If CVN 76 crosses the Pacific the posturing will begin but in the end nothing will happen because China and Russia will back Iran.
This is all about one thing. Take eyes off of this event:
Israel orders new building in East Jerusalem
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/11/2011111185023514728...
Russia wouldn't do much. China would be the loser because they are dependent upon this region for energy imports
I agree, but also think that China continues to lay low and benefit from the death of others. I mean why deploy any of your own forces when all your inferior enemies are quite willing to spill their blood and treasure. China cares about one thing, advancing China. The word "China" literally means "the center of the universe".
There is a also a fair amount of evidence that corporate America and China are working together on many fronts. The endgame is a NWO with most working for Chinese wages. China gets more say at the international table and all the international corporations get all the debt-slaves they want.
ALL of this ignores the fact that you can not have infinite growth in a world with finite resources. China's strength and weakness is it's current population. Tear them up today for me Trav, I have work to do. Later.
The supplier needs the buyer as much as the buyer needs the supplier.
Nothing will happen and that is why this story ended with the question:
"Which makes one wonder: why is Sky News reporting on this, and why is it a matter for public discussion?"
If an attack occurred, Russia or China would make sure Iran was from that point forward a nuclear superpower.
Russia has hundreds of nuclear engineers and technicians at Bushehr. I can't see them smiling and nodding if Israel goes and kills them all.
I'm surprised the Russians haven't sold their S-300 and S-400 ABMs to Iran, if only to see how they fare against US aircraft and missiles.
Nice Masonic triangle hand gesture in Ben's lackey's hand in that photo
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/11/2011111185023514728.html
Pulling out of Iraq by Christmas?!?! Re depolyment anyone?!?! Gotta be long Oil by then, BTFOD!
All I have to say is Ron Paul 2012 ..
Agreed. As other posters have mentioned there are many of these fleets in home port. What scares me is that one of these days the words in "home port" column are not all going to be US cities. All Respect to the defense forces, in the same way Ron Paul respects the defense forces.
This is just a distraction from the economic calamity. War means flight to (presumed) safety - $$, US Bonds.
Wouldn't CNBC and Bloomberg be carrying it then?
You may have it backwards. Economic calamity could cause a flight to war. A war that could make what was politically impossible yesterday be politically inevitable tomorrow.
After the currency wars, come the real wars.
Beastmanager Personal Laws of Economics and History
I've heard it as: currency wars lead to trade wars lead to war wars. When goods stop crossing borders, troops start. Of course currency wars and trade wars are kind of the same thing, so...
and that chart is why the dollar as the world's reserve currency ain't going away just yet.....
"Iran poses the most dangerous threat to world order."
Do me a favour. Israel with US support is the problem.
This is blatantly antagonistic.
Two observations here.
There seem to be a lot of carriers at dock right now.
And, when the shit hits the fan in the Middle East and the generals are briefing Obama on all of his options, the most powerful words in the room will be the message to "sit this one out" from Mr. Soros on the President's Blackberry.
If there are people dumb enough to go to war on behalf of these lying, corrupt, political fucks, go for it. Let Darwin do his thing. I hope the soldiers finally say they have had enough, vote with their feet, and go surfing or something.
It's pretty hairy out there sir.
Some straight dope in Haaretz
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/iaf-chief-must-save-israel-...
IAF chief must save Israel from futile attack on Iran
The IAF can bomb Iran, he must tell the government, but ultimately the operation will not destroy the Iranian nuclear program, at best it can delay it.I'm so sick to death of the antics of this tiny nation of 6 million people!
Today newspapers are carrying stories that they are PUNISHING the Palestinians
for joining UNESCO - punishing ! this includes withholding tax payments so the Palestinians
will be without money again. I can understand why Ahmadinejad said what he said....and to hell with it
I will get it off my chest ........even a certain person in Germany.
Maybe they will buy food now instead of rockets.....????
Israeli people in particular, and many jews in general, are cruel and mean to the core. Anyone who pays attention can see this. Like a child who was abused and now abuses everyone around it. The problem for Americans is that the most powerful lobby in the United States is AIPAC, they control who can run for election, and our rotten foreign policy is entirely written by Israel. They did 9/11 too, educate yourself people. When the average joe wakes up I have no idea, but even then who knows what dirty tricks Israel will come up with. True sicko parasites.
Yes it is all the Jews fault.
If only hitler had succeeded.
One can dream the big dream.
You have poor reading comprehension. Perhaps these people can help: http://tutoring.sylvanlearning.com/index.cfm
He decried the abuse and murder of the Jews at the hands of Hitler, and conjectures that that cruelty created a culture of cruelty that is now focused on their cousins, who were INNOCENT, and did not start attacking Jews until they were brutally oppressed by them. Hell, their religion specifically forbids harming other followers of the God of Abraham (as well as Zoroastrians, as they considered Ahura Mazda to be the God of Abraham as well).
But hey, it is a lot easier to warp any and all critical words to mean "all Jews should die", so that no-one can be in any way critical of you or the actions of your government.
One must be clear: "Jews" likely sufferred more than any other "race" of people at the hands of the Rabbis and Talmudists. The source of the hate that we should concern ourselves with is the source of the Pharisees who murdered Christ for taking away their power. Talmudism commands the death penalty for everyone (including Jews) who disobey they Rabbis.
Nope the US and Israel today are controlled by the Illuminati Olligarchy. Direct your rage at them.
when is Isreal not threatening to do something to Iran or Palestine? this is a non-story IMO.
Yea, Israel has been throwing the 'attack Iran' card for 3 years straight now, Breaking News style. Bunch of crap....Israel if you want to attack Iran, go attack Iran then tough guys! And youre not getting me to feel sorry for you.
As an aside to all this, I think in order to attack Iran theyve got to stage some horrible 'attack' on us like 9-11 except worse and Rothschild banking cartels are cornered so theyll stop at nothing..
Thing is, anyone could set up that 'trigger job' this time. If Russian and China want to move in by backing Iran in a conflict, what better way then to hit the US if Israel has it's finger on the trigger just itching to go. EMP, infrastructure hacking, or a dirty bomb on US soil. Any number of Arab groups could also do this since it won't take a 9/11 size attack to set the US off once again. I'm wishing I'd poured my roof in concrete about now...
Exactly!
It would be newsworthy if a week went by with Israel NOT threatening someone with imminent destruction.
The MSM regularly use the term "mid east peace process", as if the term describes something that might, could, did exist at one time. Every time I hear this phrase I'm convinced the listeners who don't know better are the stupidist, most naive dumb asses on earth. Kinda funny thinking of the term "peace" from the descendents of the Pharisees (Rabbis) who wrote this:
From Judaism Discovered, Michael Hoffman, pg 438 top
Judaism’s Talmud, Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog (“Even the best of the gentiles should all be killed”). From the original Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish Encyclopedia, published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore Singer, under the entry, “Gentile” (p. 617). Some translations conceal this Talmud passage. The Jewish Encyclopedia states, “…in the various versions the reading has been altered, ‘The best among the Egyptians’ being generally substituted.” In the Soncino version: “the best of the heathens” (minor Tractates, Soferim 41a-b)*
* Jewish Press, June 9, 1989, p. 56B
Hoffman demonstrates throughout his book: The Talmud is Judaism’s holiest of all holy books, far above the O.T., which Judaism believes to be a poem only understood through the Talmud interpreted by a Rabbi. In other words, Judaism is all-Talmud all the time. The above passage is in full effect same as when authored. The Talmud instructs the Rabbis to lie and obfuscate the truth of such passages to naïve goyim, only until Judaism rules supreme over the land, at which time all such passages are subject to immediate enforcement.
http://web.archive.org/web/20061218133928/http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2006/12/iran-upholds-enlightenment-principles.html
Israel has a history of leaking reports to the media that serve its strategic interests. Specifically with respect to Iran, they have done so repeatedly now. I would guess it's just 'sabre rattling.'
Don't be a sucker and fall for another Israeli charade. Israel doesn't directly attack any country. Their mossad sets up false flag attacks, leaving clues that "the arabs did it", in order to get the US military to attack the enemies of Israel. Happens over and over again. USS Liberty, Lavon Affair, and the most brazen attack of all 9/11 which has Israeli fingerprints all over it (Bollyn.com).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHqfuXl31YY
http://100777.com/node/101
There it is. You got it. Israel does nothing. America does it for them (when it suits their corporate interests - ask yourself, what do the remaining American corporations manufacter, ignore all the "financial products" and focus on real products of value, like drone aircraft for example).
This shit has gotten to the point where I have to see it to believe it. Israel needs to put up or shut up (WITHOUT American support).
Damn talk about the boy who cried wolf! This is about the 120th headline 'Israel to strike Iran Imminent'
Of course and we will support it.... Then we will continue to wonder why they fly planes into our buildings.... Fucking idiots!
Who's "they"?
More detailed discussion on this in Haaretz, an Israeli newspaper - http://www.haaretz.com/
My first thought was that an attack on Iran would galvanize all of the Middle Eastern Bloc and lead to a coordinated retaliation effort against Israel and the West.
However, the more I think about it, the less likely I think this will occur because the Arab Spring has lessened the ability for military mobilization in the following countries: Egypt, Libya, Syria and Yemen. The people of these countries are battered and bruised from revolution, and will likely not allow for new military engagement before their own democracy is secured. The Arab Spring movement was a masterstroke of U.S. foreign policy, similar to the covert ops and pscyhological warfare we have carried out for many years in the Banana Republics, Soviet Union, etc. This time, instead of pamphlets and food, our main weapon was Twitter. The game has changed but the players are the same.
And in exchange for war with Iran, all participants will be showered with buckets of oil by the Saudis..
Update: Nations will continue to use tactical warheads in the future to take out specific facilities, but strategic nukes went out with disco.
Everybody's society today is dependant upon electronics. One EMP, just one, would cripple even the United States. The modeling shows one EMP could destroy all the electronics from Ottawa to Florida. That means no food in or out of the cities, no heat, no communications, and no transportation.
All Iran would have to do is launch one EMP nuke into the upper atmosphere of Israel and nearly every one of its 6 million people would starve to death. A surprise attack was a fear of the Cold War, but this takes the threat of a preemptive strike to a whole new level. The Israeli's know this, and that's why they must decide whether to attack before Iran gets their own EMPs. If they can't reach Iran's nukes first with conventional or tactical warheads, they will have to launch an EMP attack first or live with the risk.
Israel can survive a nuclear attack, but it can't survive an EMP. Nobody can. Welcome to the 21'st century.
The Amish would probably do okay, and maybe eskimos. But they have also gotten hooked a little bit on consumerism.
what bullshit. electronics=food. not. problem would be solved within a week. Think of the 'rebuilding' costs!!!!! UBER BULLISH
You mean uber Oxen teams? "Do not muzzle the Ox as he treadeths out the wheat"
Not really. Can't say why, but EMP is a very real threat. You speak in ignorance, but I don't blame you. EMP would not immediately wipe out Israel. Israel would nuke Iran or any offender back, as we would. Most mil and a lot of cirtical infrastructure is hardened at least to a degree from EMP. The problem is there are gaps, big ones. I'm assuming that is what the starvation comment relates too. Israel is probably better perpared for this than most, and I think much of the middle east and Iran outside the big cities would continue to function ok after an EMP attack.Their infrastructure isn't so advanced in many areas to where they are over dependant on power to run logistics.
Some of our military equipment is shielded, but not all. Almost no civilian facilities are shielded. There was trillions of funds for feeling up little old ladies at the airports, but no funds for meeting this threat.
The starvation comment comes from the observation that we have eliminated small farms and herded the majority of our population into the coastal cities. Their lives depend upon an infrastructure that delivers food every day from long distances. That infrastructure has markedly decayed over the years. If the lights went out all over the country, along with trucking and trains, the shelves would be empty in little more than 3 days. That's what happened in Japan after the earthquake, only the difference here would be there would be can be no effective emergency response to such a widespread problem. The irony of the Japan example is they were the ones which developed Zero Inventory and Just In Time Delivery practices that make today's supermarkets so efficient, but leaves very little room for error.
As someone points out above, that would lead to massive restocking and repair of damaged equipment, but such an effort would take years as each succeeding level of technology is repaired. You can't start without trucks to move replacement parts. You can't move the replacement parts until you have working factories to make the parts. You can't repair the factories until the other factories that make the widgets that were damaged in their machines are repaired. And so on and so forth, a hapless government will stuble along down a supply chain trying to straighten out a problem that has never been encountered before in the history of man. Do they seem up to this challenge? It would take years. The people in the cities would only have weeks. Those living outside the cities just a few weeks more. This is a known process. The starvation of the cities in Weimar Germany and the roving gangs in the countryside looking for food and plunder are well documented. What is new is it has never happened before everywhere, all at once, in a post agricultural-corpororate farming era.
You can forget the strategic nukes and the zombie movies, the future of warfare are EMPs and we will be the zombies.
Good summary. North Korea is developing a super nuke EMP weapon with probable quiet assistance from other nations. Why we go ape sh*t everytime North Korea test a missile. I guess sometime in the past there was a solar storm that whiped out all the telegraph machines, so it might not even be terrorism that takes the grid down. It could be the sun.
The old Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times." This type of stuff I think about only a little bit, as if it happens I'm one of the millions that will die, and there won't be all that much I can do about it.
William Forstchen's 'One Second After' or David Crawford's 'Lights Out' cover EMP scenarios. A good deal of researched information along with the usual fictional storyline. Both paint a fairly good example of how devasting something like an EMP, natural or man-made, might be in an 'advanced' economy.
America is Israel's bitch. Don't think for a minute they'd risk attacking Iran themselves when they won't even fight with their supposed ally in any of the conflicts we're already fighting for them in the Middle East. They're just warming Americans up for what is to come, more of our troops attacking for Israel. Like a trial balloon to see how much guff they get.
Yesterday, I flew over Iceland and on to Greenland, we passed over Baffin Bay and rolled on across Canada and all below was so naturally beautiful, and peaceful that I just had this enormous sense of confidence in the universe.
Then we returned to the Land of Nod where there was a heavy presence of humans and the human way of being. The scars of our presence on the natural world grew deeper as the plane passed over---------------------------
and now I cannot even remember what is so special about all I wanted to say--------------I've come home to ZH and the human context and am wondering now why peace, harmony, and beauty ever enterd my mind
Does anything we read wtite or see here have any MEANING?
it is easy to see. you like us all, are suffering the malady known as the power of zhid.............
I sincerely empathize with you thoughts... however if it weren't for the messiness of human life and ingenuity of people, you would not have been in that plane in mid air and looking down at God's wonderful beauty.
ZH is a site that reflects the thinking of well educated (well mostly) people who will likely survive what is about to befall us.
so if trav7777 came to you and requested food and water, would you give him some? (oh noooooooooo )..........:)
I'd have to think about it...
but iran, historically and up to this day, has been a ally of israel. why would they attack the shia who have been so helpful to the jews, by creating havoc in the islamic world by causing schisms.............
Help me out here is this good or bad for the price of Gold?
it all depends . if the supercommittee wants gold to increase in dollar amount or if blythe is asleep in her office........
Any mention of Israel and everybody's I.Q. drops 10 ponts.
Mm... I think it's about Iraq. U.S. has talked "exit" long enough, it's time to leave. It was determined years ago, though, that we'll never leave, that the Iraq oil will be ours if and when we need it.
This rumor will be our reason to stand guard over the oil. "Prudent to maintain a presence of sufficient strength at a strategic location in the region such that we and our allies can best defend the liberties of so on and so forth, etcetera..."
Why not redeploy the troops at the last minute to..., oh I don't know -someplace close?
You mean the USA is preparing for a preemptive strike on Iran,Via Israel.
There,fixed it up for ya's.
If our Nat Debt was important at all we would be charging Iraq, Afgh, Paki, Egypt, Libya for our services. We didn't, its not. The reset is coming. Its all planned. One bullet fired against a real adverary and its a game changer. One bullet fired at Taiwan from china and 5 Tril comes off the top.
the real adversary is any american who thinks he or she is a free person. that is the real enemy. right now, they are tying up a few loose ends. but one day soon, it will come here. it will be our amerikan spring. then it will be time to shit or get off the pot......
I tihnk israel should go walk down to the whining wall and bitch and moan some more
you will go to hell for talking that way about god's chosen people.....
I'm not a crow. I feed strawmen to horses and wipe my ass with it in a pinch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfQTZBA6Jg8
Benjamin Netanyahu is a sack of dirty shit.
I can't wait untill the day he meets his maker.
If this is true, then the state of Israel is planning, initiating and waging a war of aggression and other crimes against peace. Those responsible should be held to account under the same standards upheld at the Nuremberg Trials.
OBVIOUS BLUFF ! Pure GARBAGE.
These stories are posted so the team can clearly identify opposition to the tribe.
so
are you saying that zh has become a honeypot operation? interesting idea .........hmmmm......
i know i should be quiet. but i can't .......i just can't ..............
has become? shhhhh. they don't pay you to make waves.
Thank you from China!
Israel is to Syria or Iran......as South Korea is to North Korea ! I'll bet there are a lot of Syrians who would love to be in Israel right now having coffee at a sidewalk cafe in Haifa ? Monedas 2011 Comedy Jihad Sharia Law Fun Fair
Sounds like a bad movie. Neither contra roles are poorly played and the acting stinks.
Most people just want to live their lives in peace with what they've worked and saved for security even if it's an illusion. Seriously, the only person that wants that coffee in Haifa is you right now because that sounds like your bliss. Go have a coffee then.
I think this could degenerate into WW3 if it happened. While I am not sympathetic to Iran building nukes, I don't think an overt strike is the answer. If Israel did attack the US would quickly be engaged because we have ships in the gulf that would likely be targets for Iran's russian made mach 3 sunburn missles. If we lost a ship, it would be game on, and who really knows where that would lead. China, Russia and India have national security interests of their own, and might not like the severe economic disruption an attack on Iran would cause.
It’s to Israel’s advantage to continue this saber rattling to continue identifying Iran as a belligerent. And need we realize once more for, what is it, the 20th time that this story’s source is from George Friedman (Stratfor) It was George Friedman in 2010 who called for Obama to bomb Iran before the 2012 election, as a winning re-election strategy.
Please, Zero Hedge, how can we trust such critical developments to Friedman who has proven his incredible bias in these matters?
Yawn, people have been predicting an attack on Iran for years. My bet? Nothing happens, the economy continues to collapse and Dexter gets renewed.
I expect to see Israeli settlements in Greece and elsewhere in the Med very soon. A new disapora. Israel could become a very difficult place to live, even to survive. Those who hate them and sincerely want to kill them all are fanatics and psychopaths but they aren't stupid or incompetent and they are very, very well armed. They will not hesitate to use chemicals and biologicals, which after Libya I'm certain they already have. The Israeli military is led by experienced fighters who will use whatever weapons are necessary, and they have them all. (Although that Iron Dome didn't work too well in the South yesterday). This could be an enormous tragedy about to unfold. I think a number of very big cities, including all of Israel but also throughout the region, could be in danger. This has the feeling of something that is already out of control.
The market has reacted favorably to the Greek uprising against their government and the banksters' bailout (enslavement) plan. Now that that problem is resolving itself, Israel threatens Iran. Although, that raises the price of oil and helps my investments in North American oil, it certainly doesn't help the West overall. And there is also the issue of Israel's involvement in transporting nuclear warhead material to the Fukushima site. --- The market response shows that many people recognize who was and is behind these developments. Perhaps, the team should identify the majority of traders as their opposition.
This has to be a crock of s***, otherwise why would the good ol' US Quartermaster in Iraq sell off all the army trucks, humvees, huts as scrap ('because it is cheaper than shipping them home').
To then have to bring in new logistics for an Iran War would just mean brand new orders for the M/I complex! Oooh, now I understand. War it is, I guess.
The Saudis certainly would like to see Iranian Shi-ites embattled, but Persia was never an enemy of the jews, and isn't now. They maybe don't like USA and its delinquent nephew, but the current government and mullahs know the next election will wipe them out. They were warned by the people 2 years ago; Barry and Hillary (?!) are supposed to be waiting for that to pan out. So should Isreal be, unless someone in the banking world has decreed we need something big to distract us.
How will they spin a convincing false flag attack this time? The Texas car-salesman one was the worst yet. Bring on the B-Team.
I want to be as positive & sincere as possible with this comment. Have tended to be, arguably, too caustic & dismissive of the deluded 'worldly/cynical' overall mindset of this site.
1. Some of the best capital markets info & disclosures found anywhere (including paid content of which I subscribe to many) is here. This includes some very insightful blogger commments.
2. It is funny here ... Some of the most wickedly funny stuff have read has been here.
3. And while this might at first seem as a purely 'personal' observation to be dismissed as one person's 'contrary' view .... Any reader ought to pause & reflect at the full meaning of what #4 below manifests.
4. To all ZH bloggers .... Roughly 70% or so you sound like you could be 'commentators' on the global daily broadcast put out by the Putin regime of Russia ..."Russia Today" aka RT network. RT sounds so 'rational' & insightful ..... Until you ask yourself ..... If RT is so 'enlightening' then why does any serious 'challenge' to Team Putin disappear, flee Russia or end up in jail? This is pretty obvious and you do not need 'masonic', 'Rothschild', 'illuminati', 'Vatican', or even Goldman Sachs/Carlyle Group controls-the-world elaborate far-fetched conspiracy 'theories' to kool-aid drink/believe. If you want to mindlessly jump into a RT worldview ..... All the best to you then. Also, I am not Jewish or have any relatives, in-laws, marital ties to Jews (am Catholic which to many suspicious Jews also means latently anti-semitic) ... But to my very-respectful of any & all religons including the Muslim faith, ZH reeks of self-justifying, pseudo-'intelllectual' anti-semitism. It is like the bulk of bloggers are disillusioned bolsheviks with exposure to 'market' economies but not fully understanding or appreciative of how or why 'markets' work (reread Adam Smith and the hidden hand of individual self-iinterest which drives the bulk of microeconomic 'pricing' dynamic for goods & services).
5. For the record, I dislike & am highly suspicious of Goldman Sach (for at least last 10 to 15 yearsa), have come to better understand gold as a perceived storeof value, view Ron Paul as a 'prophet' (more than a realistic candidate) re: need to seriously reform USA Federal Reserve System, and have long held that Wall St has captured econ policy over Main Street in outsized wa , and vociferously dislike 'crony capitalism' ala GE, VC firm Kleiner Perkins, Countrywide Mortgage ala Henry Cisneros, Chris Dodd, Solyndra et al.
Odd that you should equate Bolsheviks with anti-Semitism. The Jews played the leading role in Russia’s Bolshevik Revolution and are prominent in the modern socialist movement, working toward a “world without borders."
...ZH reeks of self-justifying, pseudo-'intelllectual' anti-semitism...
Horseshit. There are the occasional Jew-hating posts, but they certainly don't outnumber Islamophobic posts, or Afrophobic posts.
I suppose you're conflating antisemitism with anti-zionism? Well, don't. If you are unclear about why they're two different things, I suggest you read:
http://www.rense.com/general25/whtis.htm
It is like the bulk of bloggers are disillusioned bolsheviks with exposure to 'market' economies but not fully understanding or appreciative of how or why 'markets' work
If you're refering to ZH here, you're also sadly mistaken. It's one of the most anti-collectivist blog to be found.
you use a lot of labels in your 4th point, but when you hit on the inevitable
you lose my attention - belabouring a point that is made in virtually every thread that even mentions israel, to condemn the actions of Zionists, whether they are Xtian, Jewish, or whatever flavour, is NOT "anti-semetic" nor is it based on bashing "believers" of any sky-gods. it's the out-of-control psychopaths at the head of each phony "nationstate" playground that are being called out - not the precious followers of religions, for the most part.
as for being "Catholic" - I can recommend i-dog's posts here for a bit of enlightenment, if you can get over your "conspiracy theory" meme wall. . .
"Iran poses the most dangerous threat to world order." Hmmm, I think he left the words, "the NEW" out of that statement.
People around the world are pissed... they think the financial meltdown to come was due to a bunch of jews gambling, then getting bailed out at taxpayer expense... with no loss, a good deal if one can get it... And Blankfein the worlds biggest asshole is probably not a Catholic, is he? So Jewish Palistine (Israel) will maybe have to go it alone this time and hope the arabs are still capable of major fubars.
Israel, the tail that wags the American dog.
My belief is that Israel provides one of the main the intellegence agencies that the elite uses to monitor and control both the American public and their government, a network of agents entirely outside of US government oversight but totally infiltrating it and also infiltrating virtually every community and group throughout the US and probably other countries, as well. --- They are the servants of the elite. They direct the illusion we call "democracy."
Muslims don't get along with their Hindu neighbors nor with their Christian and Jewish neighbors ! Thank God they have the milk of human kindness running in their veins when they deal with their own kind ! LOL Monedas 2011 Comedy Jihad Turkish Tour of Armenia, Kurdestan and Syria
If Israel strike Iran, you bet hundreds if not thousands of NATO troops will end up dying in Afghanistan as retaliation.
I still can't get past "Iran poses the most dangerous threat to world order."
There's a world order?
It looks like chaos to me -- serious, dangerous chaos everywhere.
Yeah! A New World Order includes fries and a soft drink.
Otherwise, look at Samuel P. Huntington's The Clash of Civilizations and Remaking the World Order. That is the blue-print. The plans and actions that follow after it are its implementation. However, it isn't fully implemented yet.
JUST TELL THOSE FUCKERS TO WAIT A BIT. AT LEAST LEMME GET TO MY FIRST BILLION DOLLARS IN NET WORTH BEFORE THE START NUKING THEMSELVES AND CONSEQUENTLY THE REST OF THE PLANET TO DEATH.
Can you imagine the fear?
Maybe you don't have to. Maybe you are old enough to remember Three Mile Island, or Chernobyl. Maybe you're one of the people living where the radiation meters are already singing their songs of death.
If you aren't, you soon will be. Three nuclear reactors melted down, and continue to pour radiation into the atmosphere and ocean.
Can you feel the horror? There is an invisible killer dancing in the air. Maybe hiding in that rain drop. You cannot know for sure.
That metallic taste in your mouth; is it being that scared? Or is it something ... worse?
You cannot know for sure. There is an invisible killer dancing in the air.
You wish you could stop breathing, but of course you can't. And with each breath comes an unspoken question; Is this the breath during which I inhale my own end? Is there an irrevocable link between this breath and my final breath to come? Is this the breath that deforms my unborn child? Is this the breath that transforms my future from an old age filled with family and friends, to loneliness, lingering pain, and a horrible death?
You cannot know for sure. There is an invisible killer dancing in the air.
Or maybe it was on that stamp you licked, or in the wine you drank, or the cookie you ate.
Maybe you showered with the killer, slept with the killer, shared your clothes with the killer.
You cannot know for sure. There is an invisible killer dancing in the air.
Now imagine living with that fear, day after day after day; fear for yourself, fear for the lives and health of your loved ones. Imagine the long sleepless nights wondering if the next day will invite the killer into your home; if the rain will wash the killer onto the food you will eat.
Imagine.
Then imagine a monster so evil they would inflict that endless fear onto innocent and unoffending people.
Then stop imagining, because it really happened, but just once but twice.
What happened by accident at Three-Mile Island, Chernobyl, and Fukushima was done intentionally by Israel to the people of Iraq, when Israel bombed the nuclear power plant at Osirik in the erroneous assumption that Iraq was building nuclear weapons. Then Israel did it again in Syria. Thankfully, there were no nuclear weapons at the Iraq or Syrian targets, or the people of Iraq and Syria would have suffered what those people living downwind from Three-Mile Island, Chernobyl, and Fukushima (and indeed the whole northern hemisphere) all suffered.
But no doubt, those innocent and unoffending Iraqi and Syrian people knew the fear of wondering whether the silent killer was there in their homes moment to moment, just as you are wondering whether the silent killer is in your home this very moment, even as you read these words.
Israel did that to those people; cursed them with that endless dread that lingered for months on end.
And now Israel wants to bomb more nuclear facilities in Iran, so that what happened by accident at Three-Mile Island, Chernobyl, and Fukushima, will be done deliberately to the people of Iran, who have not invaded or threatened anyone.
There are indeed monsters living among us.
And we know them by their deeds.
Just think about that when you are lying in the dark, afraid to breathe.
I agree, except that what happened in Fukushima wasn't entirely an accident. nor is the radiation found in Washington State entirely from Fukushima. --- Several years ago, I investigated the cause of the high cancer rate in my County. I found that much of it was due to waste from the Uranium mining and manufactoring industry that had been added to fertilizer. That practice was approved by the EPA and the Washington Department of Ecology and they even certified it as "organic." I measured levels of radiation significantly above the background rate in foods that I bought in the local grocery stores, and physicians records showed that high levels of Uranium had been found in hair and blood samples of about three quarters of their patients. --- What they have done in Iraq and Syria, they have also been quietly doing within the United States.
this is a done deal, a faustian deal with the devil. the question is only the timing. what would be the most effective time frame for the reelection of obama for the false flag to launch the assault on iran. the deal is simple enough. support israel's desire to take out iran and obama gets the billion dollars he needs to assure victory from the 5th column usa/israeli citizens. the need has been established by recent polls showing all the batshitcrazy republican candidates within a point or two of beating obama while blame for the economy is being shifted to his shoulders by the media. bloomberg just came out and blamed obama for the mess.
there is a silver lining. along the lines of the old adage ,pride before the fall, israel and the usa will have jumped the shark if the iran mission is ordered. israel is at the height of it's usa political influence. both parties are bought and paid for. the crazy christians think a huge mid east conflict is needed for the great spaghetti monster to appear and the usa thinks it needs to checkmate russia and china by controlling the politics and economies from israel to china. the stars are aligned. the silver lining? israel goes down. when it comes time to self imolate, they won't and will exist as a beaten shell of itself because the usa will forever be diminished as the third wheel in a total global shift to the east. the only wild card here is india. whichever way they lean is the way the world will lean. they don't like the chinese but they do like the russians.
If you think Israel going down militarily is a good thing I suggest you google "The Samson Option"
they will not use it. that is their ultimate bluff. it is actually a good reason to take them down hard and fast. how long would it take for a real army to roll from jerusalem to the mediterranean sea, an hour or two.
You'd have to do rather more than that - according to wikipedia:
Israel is currently believed to possess between 75 and 400 nuclear warheads with the ability to deliver them by intercontinental ballistic missile, aircraft, and submarine
When all else fails, they take you to war.
Obama needs to create a "population to defend" war, I.E. Syria to get reelected. Longer and more involved than Lybia. Iran is mor ethan he can handle and would like Israel to hold back.
Iraq = Bait. If given enough time, they will go at it again, reopening the door to hit Iran. The US wants to take on Iran, but in the dessert, not in the cities. They want to reduce Iran, not occupy it. Will Israel give the US time for this scenario to develop and be satisfied by taking on Iran by proxy in Syria? That is the question.
Yes we are headed for war befor ethe election - but with Syria.
There are over 14 million Iranian-Americans in the US. I am married to one of them. Will there be a FEMA camp ready to house my wife while this war rages? I sure hope so, she's driving me nuts today ;)
Currently, Iran is a diversion - at least for the US. We have bases in Iraq, Afghanistan, two full heavy, carrier groups in the Persian Gulf, manpower in Yemen, The Emirates, Qatar & Bahrain and we use Pakistan as a doormat on a daily basis. The Israelis can only start trouble with some airpower and Iran doesn’t have a real Navy or nukes. At least we think they don’t have nukes – yet. They’ll be a push over, right? Believe that if you wish.
Iran has a standing full time Army of over 525,000.
When the US last invaded Iraq, it fielded only 190,000.
Iran has another 1,800,000 listed as “reserve”. So an immediate on hand force of 2,325,000 armed and trained, ready to deploy. Iran also publicizes an additional 1,500,000 paramilitary or “irregulars” in their religious “jihad corps” and “revolutionary guard” organizations. Maybe - maybe not. The liberal media keeps telling us that the Iranians pray to be liberated.
Great - until you show up on their street to liberate them. Then they may be likely to change their minds.
So potentially one is looking at taking on something in the range of 3,825,000 armed Iranians over a battle space 3 times the size of Iraq that they have had since the 1980’s to prepare. A TRUE invasion of Iran would yeild casualties not seen since 1943.
Losses on D Day, 1944 - allied landing troops dead, conservative est 10,000. 1st 24 hours. Iwo Jima Americans only - 6500 36 hours post D hour. Okinawna -- Americans only 7272 - 30 days. Retaking of Phillippine - again American only - 4438.( My father in law was at all three) Est. 416 Dead a day from 41 - 45
Korea - 36,000 -45 a day, Vietnam - 58,000 - 26 - dead a day but they count that a a decade long conflict.
Now the real lies start: Gulf War 1 -258 Americans dead . Really? How many Brits? How many Iraqis?
Bosnia - Kozovo - Herzegovina - 22 Americans dead - Absurb. I killed more Bosinans there than that alone in 1 afternoon. We killed hundreds of them a day from the air alone. We missplaced more civilian contractors than that. I suppose they don't count. Drug War in Columbia ? We didn't do body counts on either side. Still going on in Mexico and no one is counting.
Afgan 2001 to present : Americans only, 1800 dead with another 10,000 wounded. How many Afgans & Pakis?
Irag 2 - 2001 to present: Americans again, 4500 dead another 3200 wounded. How many Iragis?
War on Terror ? What ever that means? add another - 6200 dead/ Who? Who knows what that# means? This is small change in a war.
We are not claiming any losses in Lybia. Why not? We weren't really there. Right? None anywhere else either like Uganda or Sudan. Yet. If one adds the Afgan, Iraq2 & "War on Terror" deaths, they amount to around 1 a day for a decade. Americans only of course. Small change. We can deal with small losses.
What would a real invasion of Iran look like? The American people will not support the real losses of a real war.
Syria is enough to get Obama re elected, Iran is a post re election option. And not a likely option for an Obama unless he is forced into it. That isn't meant to defend the idiot - only quantify that he will need to be dragged into a real war. He has no stomach for the real thing and he doesn't share Christian values on Islamic Fascism.
BTW - to the guy I am responding too - ran off track. Sorry. Gotta love an Iranian woman.
But - to the rest of you assholes ,what skin do you have in the game? Frankly, you collectively haven't a clue what you are talking about. None of you have ever made a real dollar in your lives or have served.
So if you haven't ever seen the other side of a shooting war - shut the fuck up.
You don't know what you are asking for and you haven't ever earned the right to an opinion upon such.
And if all you can do is a thumbs down - Why? Take a stand. A thumbs up? Why?
Most of you have never had an ounce of skin in the game and are all BS. Never served, never risked a real buck & never taken a position. Blog talkers. Simply BSers. And It shows.
Look at the Caspian Sea and Kazakastan(sp) to see the source of the heat
Israel is THE problem. There is no other problem. Here is why:
Great Britain offered the Zionists land in Africa for a Jewish state 0ver 100 years ago. The Zionists tured it down. They said they wanted Palestine. they got it. It took two Jew-fomented workd wars, but they got it... well... almost.
You see, they didn't get the Temple Mount and Judea. Damn! To stand at the borders of the Promised Land, and to be denied entrance! Why, it's almost Biblical!
If they don't get that land, there is no point in a Jewish State. They might as well immigrate to Madagascar, or the South Pole.
They MUST have that particular land. That's why they don't quit going after it, even though the impossible dream destabilizes the entire fucking PLANET.
This cannot end well. Western economic collapse plus iranian nuclear ambitions plus imminent UN recognition of palestiian Statehood means Israel window of opportuity is fast closing. They must act decisively, (ie with great aggression and violence), and they must act soon, or israel is just another Jewish ghetto, and not a Jewish state on the judean homeland.
Strap on your seatbelts and read Daniel 11:43-45.
I blame Hitler.
If he hadn't attacked Russia in 1941, but had put his military resources into the Mediterranean and North Africa, he could have taken the Middle East relatively easily.
Why would he want to do that?
Well he outflanked Czechoslovakia's southern flank with the anschluss with Austria. And having take Czechoslovakia he outflanked Poland's southern flank. So logically before he attacked Russia it would make sense to outflank its southern flank.
But wouldn't Hitler then find himself at the end of extremely long supply lines fighting the British Indian army?
Not at all. This is where the Hitler-Stalin pact would have come in. Hitler would have offered Stalin Iran. A Soviet Iran would have given Russia a warm water port, something it had been seeking for over a century. If the Russians attacked Iran while the Wehrmacht pushed west from Libya, then the British forces in the Middle East would have been caught in a pincer movement, and, from Germany's point of view, there would be a buffer between its forces and the British forces in India.
If this scenario had played out, Germany would have been in control of Palestine. It could then have shipped the European Jews there instead of gassing them. Hitler would have achieved his objective of ridding Europe of them, and would also have gone down in history as a Jewish hero... the man who returned the tribes of Israel to the promised land.
The arabs under Nazi hegemony would quickly learn to mind their Ps and Qs and the world would be a less volatile place.
See all these problems are Hitler's fault for not winning the war.
What is appropriate is pre-emptive strikes on every politician and official who has proposed pre-emptive actions against others.
Except technically, that isn't pre-emption when someone is out to get you!
Finally, leave the populations out of it. No need for wars. Just throw every politician and official who has ever proposed or advocated pre-emptive actions into a giant room full of weapons, and let them kill each other. When only one remains, give him a trophy, then shoot him.
"Just throw every politician and official who has ever proposed or advocated pre-emptive actions into a giant room full of weapons, and let them kill each other"
why the qulaification "who has ever proposed or advocated pre-emptive actions"?
Only because pre-emption was the topic. I'd say ALL politicians if not for the aberrations known as RonPaul, Nigel Farage and Daryl Hanniman (bad spelling). I wonder whether we could find as many as a dozen honest, ethical politicians on the entire planet. I doubt it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15617657