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So It Is A Sweatshop After All

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One would think workers commit suicide out of enjoyment at their labor conditions. One would be wrong. From Bloomberg:


So China does have labor laws... In other news, more margin contraction for companies reliant on Foxconn slave labor... pardon... delightful work conditions.

From CNN:

A heavily anticipated report on working conditions at Apple supplier Foxconn documents dozens of major labor-rights violations, including excessive overtime, unpaid wages and salaries that aren't enough to cover basic living expenses.


More than 60% of the workers at three of Apple supplier Foxconn's factories in China say their wages fall short of their basic needs, according to a report released Thursday by auditors from the Fair Labor Association. The FLA is a watchdog group hired by Apple to audit its overseas suppliers.


The average monthly salaries at the plants range from 2,257 RMB in Chengdu -- around $358 in U.S. dollars -- to 2,872 RMB (USD $455) in Guanlan.


A team from the FLA, an independent labor-rights organization, arrived last month at the vast Foxconn plant in Shenzhen, China, known as Foxconn City, to conduct a voluntary audit commissioned by Apple (AAPL, Fortune 500). Thursday's report, which the FLA said is the first of many, covered three factories in Guanlan, Longhua and Chengdu.


The team surveyed 35,500 employees at those factories about their working and living conditions, including their compensation and working hours. The audit also included inspection of manufacturing areas, dormitories and other facilities.


The FLA's report says Foxconn has agreed to work with the group to remedy many of the violations it recorded. In one key move, Foxconn says it will achieve "full legal compliance" with Chinese work-hour laws by July 1, 2013. To do that, Foxconn will need to hire "tens of thousands" of extra workers to offset its current employees' workload, the FLA said.


In a written response to the FLA's audit, Apple said: "We appreciate the work the FLA has done to assess conditions at Foxconn and we fully support their recommendations. We think empowering workers and helping them understand their rights is essential."


The company added: "Our team has been working for years to educate workers, improve conditions and make Apple's supply chain a model for the industry, which is why we asked the FLA to conduct these audits. We share the FLA's goal of improving lives and raising the bar for manufacturing companies everywhere."


Apple CEO Tim Cook is traveling in China this week and visited an iPhone production line in Foxconn's Zhengzhou plant. Apple on Wednesday released photos of his visit, but did not provide any further details.

And now we expect a NYT Op-Ed from a former Foxconn worker explaining just what Jim Hanson term the firm uses to refer to its clients.


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Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:03 | 2301641 SilverTree
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Big suprise. 

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:06 | 2301656 SHEEPFUKKER

Sounds like a great place to work........if you like being a slave. 

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:09 | 2301669 SilverTree
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AAPL kills... or makes you kill yourself. 

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:15 | 2301692 Zero Govt
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if you're not happy with work conditions do you:

1). jump off the roof

2). hand in your notice

presumably Answer 1 is natures way of culling the village idiots 

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:21 | 2301715 SheepDog-One
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I think it would be great if they all quit....not quite so good I imagine for Apple earnings though. 

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:23 | 2301719 SilverTree
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"Last Train Home" - The Video Documentary Of The Human Cost Behind China's Stunning Growth Story

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:44 | 2301802 malikai
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?2500/mo is quite normal for unskilled labor in China. I'm guessing the real pinch is in overtime hours and the probable lack of pay therein. Remember, these employers provide housing and sometimes food for their employees.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 18:59 | 2302101 hamurobby
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Cots and bowls of rice in a room shared with four others is not exactly fantastic, you must be thinking of great living conditions in India.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 19:33 | 2302171 A Nanny Moose
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Better than sleeping in the gutter.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 20:09 | 2302284 prole
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So according to Hamurabacommie they get free living quarters and free food? Shiite throw them on a boat and bark commands at them and they will be in the US Navy

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 19:04 | 2302112 Born Right the ...
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and I am sure your masters at the fema camp will house and "feed" you well.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 17:19 | 2301888 Zero Govt
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Silver Tree  -- the problemo with moaners like you (and greens and lefty loons in general) is you're always "counting the cost" (not very well actually as lefties are crap at maths) but you're not counting the positives

Of the billions of Chinese now enjoying the fruits of economic expansion and modernisation would you say they'd think theyve gained many (many) more positives/gains than negatives/costs from this period of economic growth?

maybe you'd like a reverse back into bankrupt, rationed, bleak-future Communist hell?

Why don't you mind your own business and let the Chinese people sort their own affairs out eh?

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 17:21 | 2301914 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Having an American company participate in the sort of shit makes us all complicit. If we look back at American labor struggles, it was violent and harsh at best. My ancestors suffered though hell to get better conditions. They fought in foreign wars and dealt with trials beyond what most US citizens understand today. To sit and watch a US company treat their employees like this so a few assholes can get richer sickens me beyond all belief.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 19:02 | 2302106 hamurobby
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Not to mention it creates contempt for these companies and ultimately, us. Little world wars have been started with just a spark.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 19:35 | 2302174 A Nanny Moose
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American's who buy shit from companies participating in the sort of shit makes us all complicit.


There, fixed it for you.

Fri, 03/30/2012 - 02:01 | 2302806 Western
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Oh you don't purchase Apple products?


Your hands are washed clean. Indeed, totally washed clean.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 18:59 | 2302099 Cathartes Aura
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I wonder, do you include forced unpaid labour - internships - as "fruits of economic expansion" enjoyed by young Chinese people?

But in light of a series of reports that have emerged in the years since, Liu’s suicide points at one of the under-reported but more unsavory aspects of the much-criticized labor practices that produce gadgets for Apple and many other popular computer brands: with the help of schools and government officials, the company runs a massive internship program built not on voluntary education but on “compelled” factory work for teenage students. According to Ross Perlin, author of Intern Nation, Foxconn may be running “the world’s single largest internship program – and one of the most exploitative.”

Foxconn says it relies on as many as 180,000 interns during the summer months to fulfill the needs of the voracious beast of Western gadget demand — and the requirements of companies like Apple, Amazon, HP and nearly every other major electronics brand. The Hong Kong-based Students and Scholars Against Corporate Misbehavior (SACOM), a longtime critic of Foxconn, estimates the number is much higher, and that interns have at times made up as much as a third of the company’s 1.3-million-strong workforce, or 430,000 interns. Either way, it’s an intern workforce more sizable than Disney, Congress and Hollywood combined.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 20:53 | 2302423 absente reo
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Zero Govt: you're right of course, but don't expect many of the illiterati around here to agree with you.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 17:13 | 2301897 Decolat
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A mass walk-off would be unlikely, but AMAZING!, and beautiful. Seriously, what do they have to lose?

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 19:05 | 2302113 hamurobby
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Their "cake".


Thu, 03/29/2012 - 19:37 | 2302178 Will To Live
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Amazing if your shot or starve to death.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 20:20 | 2302316 Taint Boil
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Worst sentence of the day award … Spelling and punctuation matter.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 17:47 | 2301988 Vlad Tepid
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You can't hand in your notice if you're in hock to the "company store."  Luckily Tyler doesn't "cull" people for mocking the plight of mere Industrial Age serfs, who don't have the wisdom and sophistication of armchair political philosophers such as yourself.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 19:06 | 2302117 monoloco
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I routinely work more than 60 hours a week and my wages fall short of meeting my needs, but nobody seems to give a shit.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 19:47 | 2302208 Zero Govt
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maybe if the cue of moaners above could set up a company, shower their employees in gifts, and show us all how it's done

regards "my ancestors fought for better work conditions" i'm more worried there's so many conditions for employees the unemployment cues are patent evidence of how the West has priced, pampered and legislated itself to death out of a job

maybe these moaners should be more worried about homes jobless than Chinas employed

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:10 | 2301670 There is No Spoon
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didn't foxconn recently raise wages by 25%? I guess they didn't do anything about the working conditions though. It's amazing how great marketing and design can cause people to ignore the fact that the product they're buying was made by people enduring dickensian conditions.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:33 | 2301780 SLOMO66
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"But Apple products are soooooooo shiny :D...."

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:15 | 2301690 JohnKozac
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Hard to believe a corporation disregarded the laws....never seen that here in America.....mmmmmm....shocking!

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:21 | 2301718 theXman
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It's not because China has labor laws. China has all kinds of laws, but in pratice, they are worth a spit. What matters is the dictate from the leaders. 

Is it a coincidence that the auditors suddenly found out all those violations at Foxconn a day after China's Vice Premier (successor to Premier Wen) Li Keqiang made a comment hoping Apple have more humanitarian concerns for employees?

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 17:22 | 2301918 Vampyroteuthis ...
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You don't like it, off to the re-education camp for you comrade.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 21:11 | 2302452 TheFourthStooge-ing
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It's not because China has labor laws. China has all kinds of laws, but in pratice, they are worth a spit. What matters is the dictate from the leaders.

OK, now I understand. Chinese labor laws are like American financial laws.


Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:26 | 2301736 Silver Bug
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Who would of guessed! I've boycotted Apple products for a long time. Horribly corrupt company when you do your research.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 19:09 | 2302125 monoloco
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If you think Apple is bad, you should boycott clothing because close to 100% of it is made in factories with much worse conditions than Foxconn.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 20:30 | 2302362 RussellChester8
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my friend's sister makes $74/hr on the computer. She has been out of a job for seven months but last month her check was $17871 just working on the computer for a few hours. Read more on this site ....

Fri, 03/30/2012 - 07:33 | 2302963 Gavrikon
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Tyler, please remove this spamming fuckwad.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:04 | 2301643 Terminus C
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Maybe this is what they meant when they were talking about spending some of their reserves.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:04 | 2301644 Seditious Blasphemer
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Buy APPL, quick!

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:05 | 2301645 SheepDog-One
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FREE TIBET! OH but hold on there, dont harm my Apple stock value!

Heh heh....stupid Apple hippie hypocrites.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:04 | 2301646 junkyardjack
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Is that from the Onion, "China Labor Laws" say what?

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:06 | 2301657 SheepDog-One
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Its gotta be REAL grim if it violates Chinas labor laws..sheesh.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 17:31 | 2301931 rosiescenario
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...just what I was thinking....

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:04 | 2301649 Aunty Christ
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Actually I'm kinda surprised that China has labor laws

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:05 | 2301650 LongSoupLine
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Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:17 | 2301705 Zero Govt
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iApplied for the iJob

don't like it, fuck off

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 19:03 | 2302109 Cathartes Aura
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iForced to iNtern for zero wages.    iSlave.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 19:49 | 2302220 Zero Govt
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iLeave or iStick

Make your mind up mate, you want the job or not?

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:05 | 2301651 HD
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I'm sure the street will be outraged and sell Apple in absolute disgust...or, you know - not give a shit. Closet indexers don't have the luxury of morals.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:16 | 2301696 SheepDog-One
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I guess its just not a fashionable hippie cause to protest slave sweatshops, no colored ribbon for this one when you own the stock in the fashionable hip product made by slaves in deplorable conditions. World awash in hypocrisy.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 19:07 | 2302118 Cathartes Aura
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real "hippies" don't do gadgets, iHipSters do though - it's about being seen as fashionable, which old school hippies were always set against.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:05 | 2301652 walküre
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I feel sorry for the Chinese workers. With Europe and North American consumer markets contracting further, their labor conditions are not likely to improve anytime soon. This is a recipe for desaster. Revolution in China to the tune of hundreds of millions of people.. might be a good idea to stop watching the News when it happens.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:06 | 2301653 Sudden Debt
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China has labor laws?!?

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:08 | 2301666 LongSoupLine
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Of course they do...if you don't labor, you are breaking the law

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:17 | 2301703 SheepDog-One
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China apparently has a great 'labor market'....ours is 'improving' which I guess means soon to match Chinas at $1/per day hard labor. Hooray for labor markets.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:31 | 2301762 Sudden Debt
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Before taxes right?

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:33 | 2301772 WillyGroper
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Corporations using prison labor are not even paying that.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:06 | 2301655 Jason T
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Tis why Henry Ford is one of my Hero's.  Gave his men a decent wage.  I regret buying an apple product and won't anymore.  

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:16 | 2301694 tmosley
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If you are making a stand on principle, you had better give up all computers, because Foxconn makes every brand of them, or at least all of the major ones.

Someone find me one that doesn't use components from that company, much less China as a whole.  I can't.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:20 | 2301712 Zero Govt
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quite right TM

...we might ask what tenuous link a Chinese Communist Party official thinks he has between people committing suicide and work conditions after Mao slaughtered/starved over 30 million

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 17:11 | 2301807 akak
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Too bad our obscenely bigoted and prejudiced, anti-American Chinese dishwasher troll friend AnAnonymous is far too cowardly to participate in a thread such as this one which dares to show the true face of the People's Republic of Nose-Picking and Roadside Shitting.  I would just LOVE to see him blame poor Chinese working conditions on ...... wait for it ...... "US Citizenism"!

i wonder if he is currently displacing conquered Tibetans and confiscating their land for new Han Chinese colonies, or if he is just trolling and blobbing-up other online forums screaming about the manifest dangers of his supposed "US Citizenism", for which can be blamed apparently not only every negative human development since approximately 4000 BC, but also the last Ice Age and the extinction of the dinosaurs as well.

Time-traveling US Citizenism: make me laugh!

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 19:23 | 2302147 r00t61
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Please, don't encourage him.  If I never see the phrase "US Citizenism" again it'll be too soon.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 20:15 | 2302298 prole
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If he would demonstrate the courage of his convictions by leaping off the roof of the FoxConn Towers, I would at that point admire his courage, his fortitude and I too would be convinced of his just arguments concerning US Citizenism. Make the leap of faith anon- Your honor demands it!

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 21:40 | 2302502 TheFourthStooge-ing
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"US Citizenism", for which can be blamed apparently not only every negative human development since approximately 4000 BC, but also the last Ice Age and the extinction of the dinosaurs as well.

Time-traveling US Citizenism: make me laugh!

Craftiness of clever Ben Franklin inventionism in the creation of time-traveling 4th July 1776ism is responsible for Mount Vesuvius blobbing up in 79 AD.

But hey, is this the eternal nature of US citizen Pompeiism? Easter Island citizens answered that question a long time ago in an irreversible manner.


Thu, 03/29/2012 - 17:44 | 2301981 Jason T
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You're both right.  Something to think about.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:31 | 2301764 WTFx10
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Build it. There are hundreds of companies (all asian ) that build very high quality computers and components. China does not have all manufacturing yet.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:38 | 2301793 WillyGroper
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There's only hippy hypocrits.  Bwwwwwaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 17:12 | 2301893 DCFusor
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Plenty of Asian companies build computers.  Most don't make the components, which would include Foxconn - they just put stuff together they get from elsewhere.  It's a hard business to be in, as just shoving stuff together isn't where the money is, it's a low value-added function, which is why Foxconn pushes so hard on the labor - it's their entire cost, almost, and certaily the only one they have much control over - since they DON'T MAKE THE COMPONENTS.  For that, you'd be looking to people like Samsung, Intel, Motshushta, you know, people who make components - even take risks to design new ones and thing like that.  Like the guys listed here:


The trouble with racism is that it's really just an excuse for being too lazy or too dumb to make more than blanket judgments based on half truths.  A sign of "lazy brain".

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 19:16 | 2302133 monoloco
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Those Foxconn jobs are obiously preferrable to the alternatives.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:34 | 2301781 WillyGroper
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They do get decent medical, vision & dental. When considering the cost, it's costs alot more than their wages.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:07 | 2301662 Burnbright
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You mean my iWare is going to get more expensive? Say it aint so!

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:08 | 2301664 Conman
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Must be a slow news day, markets levitating on nothing - not news - apple is a morally bankrupt company - suddenly news? yaaaaa

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:11 | 2301674 W10321303
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Highest paid manufavturing worker 160 Euros a month...16 hours breaks...source DW TV

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:11 | 2301676 Bubble
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What next? They violate Chinese copyright laws?

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:16 | 2301689 Dingleberry
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Question for the group: Is this the same plant that put netting around it so workers couldn't kill themselves by jumping off the roof?

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:56 | 2301840 lizzy36
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Yes. Exactly the same plant.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 19:21 | 2302142 monoloco
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The suicide rate for Foxconn employees is much lower than the national average for all Chinese.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 20:21 | 2302318 prole
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Anyway we could increase the suicide rate for all these moaners cring and sobbing about Foxconn?

China is beating us up and taking our lunch money, and you (homos, not you monoloco) are crying for the Workers in China?

China is kicking our ass you anti-logic Commies. One day soon, like the Japanese and the Korean, the Chinese will be making more than we do, who will you sob for then? Nepalese Shoe-Shine boys?

The song remains the same ... WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!!!!!!!!

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:12 | 2301677 SheepDog-One
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Lets cut out the Apple Chinese slave labor assembly lines and assemble IPhones and IPads here with american workers....hello Apple stock at $20. Cant have that though, a lot of hippies have great paper gains on their Apple stocks.

BTW, Apple products sure arent very CHEAP considering it costs Apple about $5 in labor to make an IPad. Weird huh? 

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:16 | 2301695 Conman
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Not to mention EMC stock, brocade, HP stock(i know lol cant get much lower). Foxconn makes a lot of stuff for all the big names. Why are we pretendign liek we care about forign work conditions today all of a sudden. No one cared when the first Foxcon employee did a swan dive off the roof, or the second, third, fouth, fifth.......

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:19 | 2301708 SheepDog-One
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Well this is not a fashionable cause for hippies, if its the hippies who are rich from the slave labor. Dont worry its not total hypocrisy or anything.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:26 | 2301737 Conman
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Jobs didnt wear black becuase he was a minimalist. He was actuall the grim reaper for foxconn employees.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 17:15 | 2301901 DCFusor
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Bullshit.  I'm a hippie and I think Apple is a total-suck-ripoff.  Lazy brain leading to overgeneralization much?

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 19:15 | 2302127 hamurobby
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Conman, its simple and selfish, its because we KNOW American labor will only suffer the more we outsource to such low paying countries. This will only bring down our high level of living compared to the rest of the world even further than it has.

We are all gonna end up in femuh camps.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:19 | 2301709 espirit
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Labor rates aren't nearly low enough in the US for TPTB to make anything here.

So it's conflict or fascism, your choice.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:14 | 2301687 Marge N. Callz
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But were the workers wearing hoodies???  Because then this is truly an act of crime.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:24 | 2301723 SheepDog-One
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So anyway I guess 'the correction' spoken of was OK at -100 DOW points...DOW 13,250 is Goldilocks JUST right huh? Oh well we've had our correction, back to DOW 15,000 and beyond I suppose.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:29 | 2301749 NumberNone
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Seems to align with the Apple corporate mandate ...Stay hungry, stay fool(ish).

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:33 | 2301777 zebra
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Convenently new iPad is not selling well

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:35 | 2301782 misnomer
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I'm still wondering who DIDN'T think they work in sweatshop conditions??




Thu, 03/29/2012 - 20:28 | 2302346 prole
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Kind of ironic that we have our own pet FoxConn slave laborer on this board, he sees fit to chime in and casitgate us on just about every subject, BUT! on the actual subject of his 'job' (since slavery isn't really a job is it, more like a sentence or victimization) on his very job where he could give us valuable first hand insight, he seems so strangely silent?

Have you made the tragic leap to your death anon? I shall weep a thousand bitter tears!

Your sound wisdom and your sage and didactic hectoring never again to enlighten me......

(I am inconsolable)

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 21:52 | 2302524 TheFourthStooge-ing
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What is truly ironic is that, after saying that Wikipedia is the result of US citizen popular will, AnAnonymous created a Wikipedia page about his theory of US citizenism:

Of course, there is only the Chinese language version of it. If you ask him why he didn't create an English language version of it, he will not answer or else deny all knowledge of it.

Just another example of Chinese citizenism denial and the impossibility to self indict.

Next he'll blame the Mongolians for the problems in Tibet.


Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:35 | 2301785 dick cheneys ghost
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Apple.....A Great Chinese Company!!

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 17:04 | 2301863 Piranhanoia
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One of hundreds of famous American companies!    

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:36 | 2301789 SmittyinLA
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What is Foxconn and who owns it?

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 17:03 | 2301816 akak
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It is a redundancy --- we already know that FOX is a con.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:45 | 2301811 Benjamin Glutton
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So does this mean Steve Jobs hated Chinese, Americans or all humans?


what say you 'real' capitalists?

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 20:40 | 2302395 prole
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A real Capitalist would be happy as a happy ending to see international trade, to see free trade, and to see a company like AAPL making products for the sheeples, which most of the haters on here probably use, and doing well.

Theory of comparative advantage. Use the superior mind of SJ, to create the corporate culture and bring the engineers together to make the perfect products (or most popular, things that people actually want, unlike GM "cars", taxes, wars, and Commie bleatings online) Use the high-tech manufacturing facility in China to build/assemble the product at the best low cost/high quality 'point.'

Or he could try to build them in America, and when Jesse Jackson wasn't suing him into bankrupcy, or the TOTUS forcing him to locate the factory in the right spot for Union advantage to quicker bankrupt the company. Or if it were in America it could just be a virtual company that didn't make any products anyone would ever want or use, but it would be a great boondoggle for Unions Bribes Bailouts and ripoffs, they might even take market share from GM

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:49 | 2301824 Sk84life
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Apple is horrible to treat workers this way.


Sent from my ipad


Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:55 | 2301843 j0nx
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Gold Trolling my friend. Bravo.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:49 | 2301825 Sk84life
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Apple is horrible to treat workers this way.


Sent from my ipad


Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:50 | 2301826 j0nx
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Kathy Lee was chastised and run out of town on a rail 20 years ago for doing 10000000 times less than what Apple does every single day. Apparently supporting slavery is back en vogue now or does Apple just get a free pass because they are hip and TBTF? It's so hard to keep up on what rules apply to who and when these days. Apparently from what I've gathered, rules only apply when you are an individual or have a market cap under a few million dollars.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:56 | 2301839 NumberNone
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It's not supporting slavery, it's coming to an understanding with an alternative labor methodology that provides me pleasurable things in my life. 

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 18:25 | 2302048 sgt_doom
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Wrong, it was because Kathy Lee wouldn't do a nude spread --- if she had just done a nude spread --- everything would have been alright.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 19:15 | 2302130 Cathartes Aura
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Jobs did a nude spread?  huh, I must have missed that. . .

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 18:24 | 2302046 sgt_doom
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Ya know, heard that dickhead, Richard Clarke, former blah, blah, blah security douchebagger, blah, blah, he who made money with those people saying all jobs, all technology and all investment should be offshored to China, now warning us about Chinese cyberwarfare ---- hmmmm... so his "cyber security firm" makes money off of the "solution."

Why is it the same rat-tards who profit from creating the problems --- then try to profit from providing those faux solutions?

Because they are the only ratard scumbags who can get on "the media" --- Foxtard-CNN-NPR-ABC-CBS-PBS-jackoff news?

People can call David Ickes all kinds of crazy --- but he was the first one to describe their strategy -- as far as I'm aware?

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:57 | 2301845 Vendetta
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The globalists' dream ... 

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:57 | 2301850 ForTheWorld
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I'm not sure why it's only Apple that gets called out in this Foxconn debacle. Other companies like Dell and HP also use Foxconn produced parts in the PCs and Servers they sell, so they're quite probably equally to blame for the conditions.

I'm not saying don't hate Apple, I'm saying spread the hate equally.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 17:06 | 2301864 Cursive
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Uh, check out AAPL's market cap? Most people probably assume Dell is bankrupt or something.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 17:22 | 2301915 DCFusor
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Yeah, and why is Apple held in such high esteem, when anyone who knows their ass from their elbow knows that both HP and Dell computers are among the very worst made for any money, much less THE money.

Not one reaches the quality of the junkiest computer I've built over the last couple decades for my business out of good old Asus, Acer, Logitech, Intel, NVidia, and so on, parts from the local chinese gangster PC parts store.  Not even close, and in fact, they even cost more than my home assembled ones.

As soon as you make too many of exactly the same thing - the pressure to find ways to cut nickels off each one becomes so insurmountable that no company seems able to resist it, and they all wind up with trash - in Apple's case - high margin, overpriced trash.

You're much better off in the aftermarket for gamers or performance enthusiasts where the extra performance does command a small premium, but that money is something you get somthing for, instead of lining some banker's pocket.  In that very market, you can also buy the lower performance (for them) stuff a lot cheaper, because it's falling out of favor (for them) just as it hits mainstream (for Dell, Apple, HP)....and in that case, you actually save some money - hundreds of bucks for putting in a few screws myself?  I'll screw for that.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 18:21 | 2301852 Money 4 Nothing
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And comming to a Neighborhood near you! It will be declared Soverign land.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:58 | 2301855 Cursive
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Why isn't anyone shooting the auditors?

NOTE: I'm an auditor who ducks quite often.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 17:04 | 2301859 Piranhanoia
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Luxury items seem to made by slaves a lot in peacetime. Fancy clothing used to equal sweat shop.  Knockoff's, always equal to a sweat shop. Now it's gadgets.   I think I heard of luxury yacht labor being indentured slaves.   Wonder if this typical?   You don't hear about this at all in other types of manufacturing.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 17:17 | 2301906 slewie the pi-rat
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what are they doing?

making something to eat?

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 17:25 | 2301919 Edelweiss
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 Low wage Chinese workers+ridiculous price point for icrap= success for a few!  Who would have thought that would be a winning formula?  It's funny, most of the people I meet who insist on apple products tend to be self rightous turds that seem to see themselves as more worldly, intelligent, socially conscious, etc.  In fact, many of them represent a minor variation of the " I buy shit I can't afford, therefore I am" crowd. 

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 17:36 | 2301948 Ms. Erable
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iTards don't give a shit about iSlaves. They just want more unoriginal, overpriced pieces of shit with operating systems that anyone as dumb as box of rocks can operate.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 17:39 | 2301959 Vlad Tepid
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Henson...his name was Jim Henson...

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 18:17 | 2302029 sgt_doom
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This is quite shocking, of course.

All this time, American workers thought they were being laid off, and their jobs offshored, to veritable Shangra Las, where everything was joy and happiness.

Just like prison labor in the US of A**holes, where everyone lives easy amid milk and honey.

All those women eating lunch with each other in those restaurants we walk by are smiling at their good fortune in making big bucks by offshoring all those jobs.

I don't understand this blog post?  You mean they are actuall offshoring jobs to exploit workers???? you'll be telling us that Mayor Bloomberg appointed GE's Neutron Jack (off) Welch to be his education czar for entirely nefarious reasons --- something other than improving education?

Truly, I must learn to cultivate my own garden, as everyone else's is coming up weeds?

Next up, a shocking expose blog post of how China is actually a Totalitarian Capitalist State and the USA is a Corporate Fascist State!

Geez, we live and we learn....

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 18:33 | 2302059 non_anon
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next, Amerika!

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 20:21 | 2302210 Bunga Bunga
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Cheap one-way muppets.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 19:50 | 2302228 Will To Live
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Interviewer" "What to you think about your Smartphone?"

Citizen: " I love my Phone"

Interviewer: "What about potential slave labor and misery?" 

Citizen: "So sorry.  I don't have a Phone. I am the slave"

Interviewer: "Get back to work"

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 20:22 | 2302324 dolph9
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Behind the facade China is a deeply divided country.

On the one hand you have the usual brainwashed, privileged idiots who worship "Master Jobs."  On the other hand, you have this.

Doesn't look good for the future of that country.  Not that America (or anybody else in the world) is better off.

That's what happens when you have 7 billion humans who all think they are going to become rich and live forever and who are rapidly burning up the stock of fossil fuels that slowly developed over hundreds of millions of years.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 20:38 | 2302393 zippy_uk
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PLAN A: Westerners get loaded up on debt and buy stuff from Asia.

PROBLEM: PLAN A no longer working as westerner has too much debt and has lost job

PLAN B: Sell things we make to ourselves

PROBLEM: We don't make enough wages to buy the stuff we make

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 21:06 | 2302441 non_anon
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a look into the looking glass of the future of Amerika!


Embrace it!

Love it!

Live it!

Die by it!

Fri, 03/30/2012 - 03:55 | 2302529 silverdragon
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Foxconn is a Taiwanese company, the Taiwanese are famous in South China for running very efficient and productive factories.  Most Chinese are in agreement that Taiwanese factory owners are a bunch of cunts.

That said, Foxconn workers have a surplus at the end of each month, as food and accomodation is provided.  It must be remembered its not how much you earn but how much you save at the end of each month that counts.  A job at Foxconn is actually an OK job in China.

Chinese workers rarely stay more than a year or two at any job.  The demand for workers in so great that employers are continually poaching each others workers.

A Chinese worker will work at Foxconn until something better comes along and then bounce to another job that will pay another RMB100 in a heart beat.  The labour market in China is incredibly fluid and workers excercise their right to bounce to a better job day in day out.



Fri, 03/30/2012 - 15:58 | 2304636 akak
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The demand for workers in so great that employers are continually poaching each others workers.

Poached workers: the favorite breakfast of oligarchs the world over.

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 22:57 | 2302632 Bokkenrijder
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Let's not exaggerate, CHINA as a nation is one huge sweatshop not just Foxconn. :-D

p.s. does anyone really think that the factories where Nokias, Dells, Acers, Samsungs or RIMMs are made are that much better?

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 23:20 | 2302660 DaylightWastingTime
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maybe this is why the ipad 3 runs hot  in normal operating conditions.

Fri, 03/30/2012 - 03:03 | 2302833 silverdragon
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There are American, Canadian, English and Australians all working as English teachers in China some of them are working for RMB4,000 per month plus food and accomodation. That is the bottom end of the market but it highlights that it doesn't cost much to live in China.

How about a few tears for these "English Teachers"?

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