So Much For Dreams, Hopes And The European Way: Schaeuble, Merkel Warn EU Summit To Be A Dud

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LeonardoFibonacci's picture

Even Simple Jack knows that you never go full retard.  Europe is simply loaded with a bunch of liars who are out of time, money & self-respect.

Ghordius's picture

...liars who are out of time, money, self respect and are under pressure to lower the EURUSD, print, bail out TBTF banks and perhaps even bail out Greece

Merkel & Schäuble are doing what is in the best interests for the EuroZone at the moment: dragging their feet

Mr. King of the BoE, on the other side of the channel is doing the opposite, therefore nobody is complaining about the GBP

Cassandra Syndrome's picture

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GeneMarchbanks's picture

It'll be a NYSE floor trader rallygasm with a CNBC cheerleader bare breasted in the foreground.

By the way you already knew this...

slaughterer's picture

Buy the Fing Eurocircus Dip ==>

BTFED

Huh?

Belarus's picture

It's amazing that the S + P 500 is holding up so well, ridiculous. USDEUR is down. Merkel tells the market what it hasn't believed for two weeks, and so it's probably much worse than what Zh even thinks: that thre are no solutions in Europe, at least any real solutions. 

Earnings so far has sucked,  yet stock are barely down? I guess the traders are worried about missing a run over 1220? WTF. 

I guess the nuclear option needs to go off to get stocks to crack down even the slightest bit. That will happen next week as banks begin to domino. 

AngryGerman's picture

#occupy wallstreet versus #restore confidence

slaughterer's picture

Do not worry, Citibank earnings will save the trading day today. /sarc

qussl3's picture

This is what; the 100571037th time they've cried wolf no?

When do the villagers learn?

slaughterer's picture

Time to call Latour: 

"Wolf does not like Red Riding Hood. "

"Repeat: Wolf does not like Red Riding Hood."

 

broke433's picture

Doesn't matter, aapl is reporting. Merkel knows this so she waited until aapl blows past expectations.

disabledvet's picture

And those "silly Frenchmen" who bury little gold nuggets in their backyard have just pulled the cork of "some of the good stuff." We all know how this story ends.

AngryGerman's picture

"some of the good stuff." = golden shower?

emsolý's picture

Best thing they can hope for now is strong snowfall or a volcano which wound hinder and delay flights to Cannes...

Spartan's picture

Markets are off since this came out and yet the FT and the WSJ have no mention of Schaeuble's comments...do they only report the good news, or just slow?

slaughterer's picture

Media blackout on bad news starts one week before earnings.  All violations carry a penalty of a pizza lunch with Steve Liesman. 

Ronaldo's picture

You just ruined the thought of Pizza.  That has never happened to me in over 40 years.

Ghordius's picture

Ze Powers That Be want the EUR lower (hello ZH?)

Merkel and Schäuble are trying to do it by talking and dragging their feet instead of opening currency sluicegates...

Hahaha - just imagine the EuroZone in this special moment in history without the EUR

the speculation on the individual currencies would reach epic proportions

EUR - et pluribus unum

Quintus's picture

Yeah - just imagine Europe without the Euro.

Greece wouldn't have been able to run up massive debts by borrowing money at the same interest rate as Germany.  Investors would never have trusted them without the implicit backing of the stronger currency union members.

Ireland wouldn't have had a property bubble because interest rates would have remained at levels about 3 times what they fell to when they joined the Euro, thereby keeping a lid on property prices.

Germany wouldn't have been able to build a massive trade surplus based on an artificially cheap currency.

Banks in Europe would have been much more careful about lending trillions to the PIIGS countries and would not now be in danger of insolvency and fainting in fear at the words 'Mark to Market'.

Scary stuff.

Good to know though, that the solution to all these problems caused largely by the Euro is....the Euro!

Ghordius's picture

I know that there are better responses to this, but let me try this one:

look up the history of Greece. They defaulted the bloody half of the time. Without currency union. "Markets" treating Greece as if it were Germany? Thank the Squid for that.

Look up which banks went into the Irish property bubble. The currency's fault if banks think they are TBTF?

Banks have to be allowed to fail - period.

This "inbalances" theme about exports misses the "who does finance the gap?"

bob resurrected's picture

OK. Most banks fail through contagion and equity positions are wiped out. What happens to the depositors and pension funds, etc. that hold the banks' debt? Where does the money come from to stand up a new banking system? And yes, who finances the gap as trade imbalances again build?

 

Ghordius's picture

what, nobody gave you an answer?

only friends of TBTF here?

an answer to your questions would need a few books, but I'll try short ones

- depositors and pension funds are fucked anyway, either by deflation or by inflation, less by deflation

- "Ze money"? plenty of banks NOT exposed to Greece, for example. Thanks to fractional reserve system, NEW BANKS can be whizzed up quite easily, the EuroZone has seen this kind of "renewals" a few times last century. Look at the market capitalization of the Squid for reference, do you see hundreds of billions? or trillions?

- Who finances the gap in trade imbalances? Well, who did in the days of the gold standard? Who buys sovereign debt? At what yelds? Where is the risk, where is the reward?

Do you really think the way the banking and financial systems are working now is the only one possible?

Stylianos Kyriacou's picture

xmmm any risk analysts here?  i have a LOT of questions ;)

slaughterer's picture

But what if AAPL misses tomorrow?  Ha hA. 

"Wolf does not like AAPL."

qussl3's picture

I wouldnt hold my breath for that.

Here in "lich" Asia the fruit is king, i think the sheep here herd better too.

abugarance's picture

hey Tyler, a Sovereign CDS re-run would be a nice follow-up...Germany continuing to widen this am, as the core recouples ahead of the haircut...

broke433's picture

Seriously?!?! Why does she lie so much?!?'

slaughterer's picture

I think Ackermann was on the phone with Angie this weekend several times.  Ackie is pissed off at her.

Ghordius's picture

"confirming that the EU is a total circus where everyone is now talking independently of anyone else"

right - democracy makes markets nervous - the EU needs a dictator /sarc

Quintus's picture

So....government can only either be anarchy or dictatorship?  

No room for a well-organised and coherently led administration that develops policy together and communicates a consistent message?

Typical response from a Europhile to any criticism of the Euro/Eurogroup.  "It may be corrupt, nepotistic, incompetent, contrary to the basic principles of democracy and economically illiterate but the alternative is HITLER! WAR! CHAOS! therefore we must grin and bear it."

 

Ghordius's picture

not exactly - hi Quintus, hope you are well!

this Europhile likes the ECB to be independent - check

well-organized and coherently led administration? No - or, better, please define what exactly you wish for...

at the moment there is pressure "to do something" - one of the few things in which a democracy is good at is "debate before committing"

"...corrupt, nepotistic, incompetent..." mmmh don't know, compared to what?

"...basic principles of democracy.." YES! Though I'd like to point out that the EU is a Club of Sovereigns

Hitler, thanks, tried out, not of our liking

War, thanks, we have our boys in Afghanistan and many other stupid places

to sum it up - ECB shall not print, and the only Euro-Monster that has to DIE is the EFSF

Dick Darlington's picture

Noyer, the most ridiculous muppet out there (well, Barroso and Van Rompuy are in the league of their own) is hitting the tape.

*NOYER MARKETS HAVE `OVER REACTED' TO BANKS SITUATION

*NOYER EXPECTS BANKS TO GET ANY CAPITAL NEEDED BY OWN MEANS

*NOYER SAYS FRENCH BANKS' EXPOSURE TO EURO PERIPHERY IS EU60 BLN

*NOYER SAYS BANKS ARE SUFFEREING FROM OUTLOOK FOR SLOWER GROWTH

slaughterer's picture

Noyer really needs some lessons in perception management.  He just let this bomb drop:

  • ECB's Noyer says it would be unrealistic to expect a bigger EFSF Mon, 12:11 17-10-2011
  • EL INDIO's picture

    Ha ha hah ha,

    What a timing ! Just as the EURO and USD index touched their 50 dma (or almost).

    Nice to see some order in this chaos !

    Hold on to something, its gonna be violent again

    Next stop EURO < 1.30 USD

     

    (Oh, if got USDs and planning to buy some PMs, you might want to wait a bit. You could get Gold for $1600 or less.)

    slaughterer's picture

    I am with you, but first we have to get to EURO < 1.37.

    qussl3's picture

    Frankly im more interested in <1600 gold, the hurts when you kick it kind.

     

    Sudden Debt's picture

    I'm delaying extra purchases of pm's untill march. I taped my trigger buying finger and wait 4 to 5 more monts.

     

    slaughterer's picture

    SD, March coincides with Kyle Bass's timeline for the onset of the Keynsian endgame.   You might want to un-tape your trigger finger before then.  Just saying.   

    Ghordius's picture

    SD, just buy the same currency amount every month

    otherwise you just risk going insane

    Sudden Debt's picture

     

     

    I thought this meeting was put in place to have other meetings to talk about a plan!!

    So no plan to make a plan?

    At least the markets like this logic and are going green once again....

     

    Ghordius's picture

    there is a plan to sit down and talk about a plan about sitting down and talking about a plan to...

    oogs66's picture

    c'mon, they said ESM will now be mid 2012, isn't that enough?

    Sudden Debt's picture

    I wonder what the lunch and dinner menu will be.

     

    Ghordius's picture

    entree of escargots covered with gold foil, of course

    joq's picture

    I am amazed they really thought we could be fooled to actually believe they would walk on water by the end of the week.

    abugarance's picture

    Noyer also saying unrealistic to expect bigger EFSF...kinda like the guy after all...vive la France bitchez

    oogs66's picture

    Germany has finally realized that if they "solve" this, they will all be back in summits in 3 months, and this time they will have to beg for outside assistance, since no one in the eurozone will have any ability to borrow

    Ghordius's picture

    last time someone had a "solution" of this size in Germany it was called "the ultimate solution" and frankly, it was not that good

    the Germans do well in NOT trying seriously to solve the unsolvable or bail the unbailable

    let Timmy scream

    jbc77's picture

    From the looks of it I thought today was going to be another unadulterated vapor tube melt up.

    The melt up of the past 10 days is bizarre. The majority of the time it seems like this market is so dumbed down. Then in a flash it seems to regain it senses only to melt up again on the pending collapse of the euro zone. Just doesn't make any sense and you can't even trade anymore. 10 or 12 years ago you could trade an idea or "bet" on an outcome, if you were right it paid off. Now you can be right a lot of the time but the market reacts in the opposite fashion. Personally to me, it's not worth trading stocks anymore. I just make my IRA contribution for the tax write off and keep it in cash. Closed my non-qual trading account last year and converted it to physical metals. Now I just park the IRA money in cash and save in gold and silver. What else can you do.....

     

    The4thStooge's picture

    if you're gonna put cash in an ira, might as well collect a dividend. wait for the next market cliff-dive and scoop up some miners.