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Some Ominous Developments In Europe

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For now, these are isolated incidents. But in Europe events of this kind have an unpleasant tendency of recurring just when it is darkest...

In Greece:

A 70-year-old man has been arrested after opening fire with a shotgun inside an Athens tax office.


Shortly after 11am, the man arrived at the entrance of Agia Paraskevi tax office and started shooting, causing only material damage. He then entered the building but did not threaten any of the officials.


Police rushed to the scene and succeeded in arresting the man, about an hour later, after encouraging him to drop his weapon.


The perpetrator is now being held in a police station, where police are carrying out a preliminary investigation. (Athens News)

And in France:

A man on a scooter opened fire outside a Jewish school in Toulouse in southwestern France on Monday, killing two children and one adult, a police source said.


Five people were injured in the attack, which occurred as students were arriving for morning classes at the Ozar Hatorah school, a city official said.


The attack comes after three soldiers were killed in two separate shootings in the same region by a man who escaped from the scene on a scooter.


French Interior Minister Claude Gueant broke off a visit in northeastern France to head for Toulouse, the police source said. French media reported that security was being tightened at all Jewish schools in the country.

Then, even odder, there is this:

Tuberculosis is often seen in the wealthy West as a disease of bygone eras - evoking impoverished 18th or 19th century women and children dying slowly of a disease then commonly known as "consumption" or the "white plague". But rapidly rising rates of drug-resistant TB in some of the wealthiest cities in the world, as well as across Africa and Asia, are again making history.


London has been dubbed the "tuberculosis capital of Europe", and a startling recent study documenting new cases of so-called "totally drug resistant" TB in India suggests the modern-day tale of this disease could get a lot worse.


"We can't afford this genie to get out of the bag. Because once it has, I don't know how we'll control TB," said Ruth McNerney, an expert on tuberculosis at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.


TB is a bacterial infection that destroys patients' lung tissue, making them cough and sneeze, and spread germs through the air. Anyone with active TB can easily infect another 10 to 15 people a year.


In 2010, 8.8 million people had TB, and the Geneva-based World Health Organization (WHO) has predicted that more than 2 million people will contract multi-drug resistant TB by 2015. The worldwide TB death rate currently runs at between two and three people a minute.


Little surprise, then, that the apparently totally untreatable cases in India have raised international alarm.


The WHO has convened a special meeting on Wednesday to discuss whether the emergence of TB strains that seem to be resistant to all known medicines merits a new class definition of "totally drug-resistant TB", or TDR-TB. If so, it would add a new level to an evolution over the years from normal TB, which is curable with six months of antibiotic treatment, to the emergence of MDR-TB, then extensively drug-resistant TB (XDR-TB).


What's so frustrating about that progression, says Lucica Ditiu of the WHO's Stop TB Partnership, is that all drug-resistant TB "is a totally man-made disease".


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Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:05 | 2268943 GeneMarchbanks
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Clouds Darken...

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:08 | 2268946 knightowl77
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Winds Blow.....

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:12 | 2268966 Ghordius
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....and Money rains from the sky

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:29 | 2269014 Harlequin001
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Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:47 | 2269306 caconhma
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"An inferno starts with a small spark". V. Lenin

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 18:57 | 2271206 Dead Canary
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It was a dark and stormy night.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 02:39 | 2272373 lasvegaspersona
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Paul Clifford or Snoopy version? Lord Bulwer Lytton or Charles decisive now

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 03:48 | 2272434 vato poco
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Suddenly a shot rang out!

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 10:57 | 2269617 Toolshed
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Nice teamwork guys.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:35 | 2269030 Oh regional Indian
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There is no such thing as uncurable. More pharma madness. Just like the MSRA bug.

But yes, weird news day. Overall. Given then "great" things that started right about in this time-frame (Spring Equinox), I say strap in or stay loose. It's going to be a very interesting few days ahead.



Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:55 | 2269121 Raynja
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cures take time and resources to develop

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:03 | 2269169 Oh regional Indian
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Not true. In the world of big Pharma, yes. In the natural world, all there. 

These dis-eases are un-curable because of big pharma. Drug Resistant, what more does one need to know? In any case, Chemistry is the basis of this control mechanism we have hanging over us.

German chemistry, mostly, by the way. 


Mon, 03/19/2012 - 12:04 | 2269885 12ToothAssassin
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ORI is precisely correct.


Nature provides natural balance to everything. It takes humans to alter that balance in a way that threatens the masses.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 21:31 | 2271661 dzyd
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You are writing idiocy.

TB before antibiotic therapy was called consumption. It consumed you like cancer then you died, but not before possibly infecting others on the way down.

It should not be a surprise that after all the many decades that TB has been treated with antibiotics, antibiotic-resistant strains have developed.


I am not here to be a apologist for the bad behavior of large multinational corporations inclding big pharma, but there is an appropriate time and reason to give antibiotics, and TB is one of them.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 02:42 | 2272377 lasvegaspersona
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Sorry but youn are a wack job. Me...docotr for 40 years...seen too much good come from evil big pharma to not appreciate it. Pricing problems yes, power grab yes, science yeilding fantastic hope for the sick yes yes yes

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:11 | 2269200 Mesquite
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Annnd then there are Chemtrails...


Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:12 | 2269202 DavidC
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It's MRSA - Methicillin Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus - and you should be worried.

We've lived through an age where most (bacterial) infections have been treatable with antibiotics, but we've only had this recourse since the 1940s and the introduction of penicillin.

With the use of antibiotics and growth promoters in food animals (fewer bactertia = bigger animals and fewer deaths due to bacterial infections) and doctors doling out antibiotics for VIRAL diseases, more and more bacteria are becoming mutli-antibiotic resistant.

Imagine a World where even a scratch could result in death, because that's what we could go back to. And no, that's not exaggeration.

Incidentally, my degree is in Microbiology, just in case you think I'm being alarmist or don't know what I'm talking about.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 11:20 | 2269383 i-dog
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That is a total exaggeration ... .gov and big pharma have an interest in not curing, just ongoing [partial] treatment of symptoms.

MRSA is treatable with natural enzymes ... but Big Pharma won't allow them (ie. has erected barriers to entry through their pals in the government). I have an interest in some such patented products and use them to cure cancers, flus, viruses, staphs, asthmas, ulcers, allergies and other miscellanea for family, friends and staff -- but we can't advertise them as cures without raising millions just to jump through the cartel hoops (notwithstanding that the WHO has proved them to work!). They can only be sold as a "digestive aid" or "skin balm" ... and Codex Alimentarius may soon be used by the gov-pharma cartel to shut even that down.

I'll be checking later today with 'The Professor' whether any of them have been shown to also work against TB.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 10:18 | 2269448 Seb
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"doctors doling out antibiotics for VIRAL diseases"


It is disturbing how common is that. How stupid can they be to put a viral diagnostic (usually for cold or flu) and then prescribe antibiotics?

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 11:17 | 2269484 i-dog
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Doctors have no fucking idea what mechanisms are going on inside the body!! They are no better than panel beaters ... cutting and patching and buffing over problems in accordance with spec sheets handed them by big pharma.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 12:56 | 2270084 RichardP
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Doctors have no fucking idea what mechanisms are going on inside the body!!

i-dog, if you truely believe this, then you are sadly misinformed.

Separately, when doctors prescribe antibiotics for viral infections, it is because their patients are asking for them.  Doctors want to keep their patients, so some doctors give their patients what they ask for.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 14:01 | 2270338 Cathartes Aura
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if these doctors are so wise, then why are they allowing their patients to talk them into doling out antibiotics that don't work on viral infections, yet continue to allow the dis-eases to mutate and grow more resistant?

that's either ignorance or sloth - or! 

Doctors want to keep their patients, so some doctors give their patients what they ask for.

profit.   almighty profit, over all else. . . it's definitely a pattern.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 21:16 | 2271520 i-dog
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Grrrrrr ... don't get me started!

The level of high-level corruption and general hubris in the medical "industry" rivals that in the economics and finance "industry" ... with a similar outcome: [Morally and financially] bankrupt governments coerced into throwing vast amounts of their citizens' money at the wrong solutions to fairly simple problems.

Doctors are merely the brokers at the bottom of the food chain (pun intended). The only difference is that doctors have been educated into believing that what they are doing is right and therefore have no way of knowing any different, whereas many finance brokers know they are doing the wrong thing by their "customers".

Which is why I say quite categorically that doctors have no fucking idea what is actually going on inside the body!

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 10:29 | 2269490 ButIfNot
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Why do doctors do that?  Because we throw a tantrum if the magic healer tells us we just have to be sick for a week and let nature run its course!  Prescribe drug = happy patient.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 11:20 | 2269707 bigerny
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Perhaps they should prescribe fancy sounding sugar pill to placate the "magic wand" folks.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 18:56 | 2271203 bentaxle
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Exactly. Just give the dumb shits a placebo and tell 'em it worked really well on the last patient. Doctors don't always get the diagnosis right though.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 10:26 | 2269477 Wu Qi Ming
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I'm with ORI and idog on this one. Having a degree in Microbiology is nice, you get to be up close and personal with these things and know their nature. But observing these things in nature rather than their nature will lend a cure much faster.

The cure is right there under your nose, always is.


Stinging Nettles are always found growing near dock.


Oh, and for what it is worth, I've dealt with MRSA first hand working in hospitals. I'm probably swimming in it. I've never once had an incurable wound though so something(s) must be holding it in check.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 11:48 | 2269791 gdogus erectus
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Correct. Cure has already been found for MSRA and bacterial lung infections of all kinds. Do 5 minutes of research on the anti-microbial properties of silver. You know. That ancient forgotten remedy? 20 ppm in distilled water. One teaspoon in a nebulizer. Inhale for 5-10 minutes. 2 times a day. Two days. You are cured. Please spread the word. Prove it to yourself by administering to a relative w bacterial pneumonia. You'll be a hero.

It's called colloidal silver. Research the mechanism. It will blow your mind.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 11:57 | 2269863 pods
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I have used nebulized CS, with good results.  Only drawback is one of irritation.  Possibly due to tonicity issues or from simple concentration.  Used a 10 ppm concentration, and for lung delivery you could probably get away with a much more dilute solution, if you are going for local delivery.  Next time it is needed will probably do a 10x dilutiong before administration.
I have found with CS that topical shows the greatest benefit. 

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 12:52 | 2270067 tsx500
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you and gdog are hereby declared anarchist terrorists and should surrender your colloidal silver supplies immediately to the nearest authority.    <sarc off>

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 13:36 | 2270233 SilverTech
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Did you use tap water, distilled water, or normal saline?

I would think normal saline made with distilled water would work best.

There shouldn't be any irritation caused by the CS.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 15:48 | 2270725 gdogus erectus
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I buy it made. If you make it yourself you have to use real distilled water. Not the Walmart shit that is just filtered. You also should use 4-9s silver. Or be a lazy bastard and buy a gallon while they are still allowed to ship this highly toxic and dangerous substance.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 14:16 | 2270381 Cathartes Aura
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three things I use for any "ailments" - colloidal silver, "medicinal" garlic (crush whole clove, let sit for 15 min to get allicin levels up, swallow - maybe eat a slice of apple to prevent nausea / stomach sensitivity), and H2O2, food grade 3%, sprayed at back of throat, inhaled.

the last, Hydrogen Peroxide, saved me from a very nasty lung infection - pneumonia? most likely, but I don't use allopathic diagnosis or pills - I literally was panting, 36 hours after initial "cold" symptoms, couldn't take a deep breath!  used the methods in the link, and within 24 hours I could breath, 48 hours, no wheezing at all - the virus was persistent, but all it did was recur, get dealt with - my overall energy levels were at about 80% for a few weeks, then it was gone.

the great thing is that these things will work if you use them.  the garlic & H2O2 cost pennies a day, the colloidal silver costs more depending on where you source it - but NONE of these things are as expensive, nor as deadly, as dealing the the pharma docs.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 15:46 | 2270719 Oh regional Indian
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Three cheers for Bill Munroe.


Mon, 03/19/2012 - 18:27 | 2271120 Cathartes Aura
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love Bill, he's the real deal.

best wishes in the coming week V.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 10:58 | 2269627 bahaar
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Big Pharma should stop looking for cures for cancer/heart disease/ high cholesterol and other organic disease.  They  should use all their funding to develop new antibiotics.  But then there's no money in antibiotics (unless there's a pandemic), but lots of money in canceretc.  because everyone eventually will develop cancer/ heart disease/ diabetes/ high BP/Cholesterol.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 12:01 | 2269876 pods
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You will develop all of the same chronic conditions that everyone gets if you eat like everyone else does.

No worries, it is genetic, not your fault.  And they have pills to "manage" your condition.



Mon, 03/19/2012 - 14:20 | 2270401 Cathartes Aura
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if you really allow yourself to think about it, pharma docs are not looking for cures, they're in the business of maintenance of sub-health.

if people were "cured" they'd be out of business, the pharma companies need people on long term maintenance plans of just enough health to continue working in the system, but not enough health to begin thinking, seeing, connecting the dots about the WHOLE system, and the parts they play in it.

can't have the animals jumping the fences now, can we.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 11:21 | 2269710 Stares straight...
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Not really..

Disease occurs only when a triad of stress, mal-nutrition and infection meet.

Smoking, heart disease, lack of vegetables and anti-oxidants decreases immunity.  Stress and worry, etc...

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:54 | 2269114 JPM Hater001
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Clouds Darken...

Wind Blows...

...and Money rains from the sky

It's a bullish day in America.


There.  Together. Sad.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 10:13 | 2269426 wandstrasse
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Central banks = fan
fiat money = shit

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:16 | 2268968 Mae Kadoodie
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Dogs & cats living together...

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:22 | 2268994 goldfish1
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Envision the world you want to see.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:48 | 2269082 knukles
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Lindsay Lohan wanking off a dog.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:55 | 2269122 JPM Hater001
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That America already exists.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:06 | 2269181 MsCreant
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And Spike!

Thank Goldfish 1 for that set up. 

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:39 | 2269276 goldfish1
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Mon, 03/19/2012 - 10:18 | 2269447 Dapper Dan
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One day the lamb and the lion will lie down together,

But the lamb won't get much sleep!

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:13 | 2268971 Oleander
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Something Wicked this way comes....

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:18 | 2268981 elmiatzi
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yes, the clichéd, disturbance in the force, we all sense...

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:23 | 2268998 goldfish1
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...and dissolves away into nothingness

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:28 | 2269011 LongSoupLine
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On that note, Goldman's Jim O'Neil about to be interviewed on his news station "CNBS"

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:49 | 2269086 knukles
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Talk about wanking off a dog....

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:23 | 2269127 TruthInSunshine
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Lucica Ditiu, according to Reuters, meant that it was because of the incompetent and idiotic treatment & management of TB in years past that drug-resistant forms of TB have now evolved....

...not that it was somehow intentionally created... least based on his full quote according to Reuters:

What's so frustrating about that progression, says Lucica Ditiu of the WHO's Stop TB Partnership, is that all drug-resistant TB "is a totally man-made disease".


Like other bacteria, the TB bug Mycobacterium tuberculosis can evolve to fight its way past antibiotic medicines. The more treatment courses patients are given and fail to complete, the stronger and more widespread the resistance becomes.


"The doctors, the healthcare workers, the nurses, entire healthcare systems have produced MDR-TB. It's not a bug that has come from nature. It's not a spontaneous mutation. It came about because patients were treated badly -- either with poor quality drugs, or not enough drugs, or with insufficient observation so the patient didn't finish the treatment course," said Ditiu.


What's so frustrating about that progression, says Lucica Ditiu of the WHO's Stop TB Partnership, is that all drug-resistant TB "is a totally man-made disease".



Drug-resistant "white plague" lurks among rich and poor

Reuters‎ - 1 hour ago

At any rate, his comment has the same utility and accuracy when it comes to a myriad of other now common, drug resistance bacterial infections, including pneumonia (some case can only be treated with 'last line' antibiotics), staph infections (MRSA), etc.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 10:58 | 2269491 OldE_Ant
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For the past 70-80 years we have 'blown our antibiotic wad(s) like the party could never end'. Now comes the well armed and trained bacteria with a well multiplied, weakened, lazy, and dumb host population to rampage upon.

Mother nature at her best, 24/7/365 without breaks.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 11:59 | 2269867 americanspirit
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Somewhere in Pakistan, probably in a Madrassa, somebody affiliated with AQ is reading this article and thinking - hmmmm, totally drug resistant TB.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 12:41 | 2270021 Things that go bump
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I'm not a microbiologist, but I doubt that TB would be the bacterium of choice for a biological. While the mortality rate of active TB is around 50%, it is a slow and indolent killer. The incubation period is too long and the transmission rate is too low (90% of those infected never develop active disease. My mother was infected as a child, but 70 years later has not developed active disease). 

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 13:04 | 2270108 General Decline
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....More likely at the Pentegon or in Tel Aviv.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 14:33 | 2270432 Cathartes Aura
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actually, Rotterdam.

A virus with the potential to kill up to half the world’s population has been made in a lab. Now academics and bioterrorism experts are arguing over whether to publish the recipe, and whether the research should have been done in the first place.

­The virus is an H5N1 bird flu strain which was genetically altered to become much more contagious. It was created by Ron Fouchier of the Erasmus Medical Centre in Rotterdam, the Netherlands, who first presented his work to the public at an influenza conference in Malta in September.

"I can't think of another pathogenic organism that is as scary as this one," Paul Keim, a microbial geneticist who has worked on anthrax for many years, told Science Insider. "I don't think anthrax is scary at all compared to this."

Fouchier is an expert in the HIV virus.  all he needs to do is get with one of Bill Gates foundations promoting "sweat activated vaccines" - sprayed over a population and "innoculated" by stealth - and voila! 

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:29 | 2269017 Stoploss
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Shit Flies.....

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:15 | 2269212 MsCreant
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Happens after hitting the fan...

Shit flies don't bother me

Shit flies don't bother me

Shit flies don't bother me

Shit flies don't bother me

For I belong to somebody...


I feel, I feel, I feel like a morning star,
I feel, I feel, I feel like a morning star.,_Don't_Bother_Me
Check out the original song. I did not know that until I looked it up. Censored!


Mon, 03/19/2012 - 10:04 | 2269376 fuu
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Leeloo is that you?

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 15:26 | 2270634 Randall Cabot
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This guy Yatom is a genius! I guess he thought murdering innocent scientists was a big joke.

"Yatom says he believes Iran or its Lebanese proxy Hezbollah is likely behind the attack, but did not elaborate. He says assailants prefer Jewish civilian targets because they are easier to hit than Israeli ones."

Read more:

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:08 | 2268947 GetZeeGold
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Using word ominous with Europe in the same sentence is almost an oxymoron.


Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:11 | 2268958 Ghordius
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You are probably thinking of Transylvania.

yes, it is Europe.   no, the vampires have relocated

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:15 | 2268977 GetZeeGold
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Tell me about it....I have some living next to me. I offered to pay their way back....they refused.


Evidently they think we can become the socialist utopia that has failed in Euroland.


Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:25 | 2269003 Ghordius
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socialist utopia?

another meme that is quite unfunded. which country are you looking at?

Sweden vs. USA? the eurozone vs. the States? look at the numbers, they tell quite diverse stories

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:31 | 2269019 GetZeeGold
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I hear everyone in Euroland is moving to Sweden.....I'm sure that will work out fine. Swedish Greeks.........yeah no problem there.


Swedish Islamic Greeks.....even better.




Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:36 | 2269033 GeneMarchbanks
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You really shouldn't post on these matters, being clueless and all.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:50 | 2269090 GetZeeGold
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I realize that......but chose to do so anyway.


Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:57 | 2269135 GeneMarchbanks
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I see, well certainly I won't attack your first amendment right: Freedom of Talk. You've been programmed well, MSM 1 Unthinking Yankee 0

Just suggestin'

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:17 | 2269216 GetZeeGold
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Yeah......what was I thinking......Euroland is fine.


My programmers just told me so.....really sorry about that......carry on.


Thanks for calling me a Yankee.....that's Damn Yankee to you.


Mon, 03/19/2012 - 13:07 | 2270122 General Decline
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I'm a future Damn Yankee if all goes as planned.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:35 | 2269026 GeneMarchbanks
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'another meme that is quite unfunded. which country are you looking at?'

Unfunded?! No! Maybe unfounded.

Some simple formulas to remember for these exchanges of yours:

Capitalism = Religion

Corporation = Temple

Socialism = Blasphemy

Greeks = Unproductive/ uncompetitive worthless debtors

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:49 | 2269088 Ghordius
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European = Socialist = Blasphemist = US Democrat

Free Market = No regulations, no oversight, no courts, no nuffin

Regulations = Devil's work

Ripping off Muppets = God's work

Europeans Prime Ministers = unelected tyrants

EU = reborn Soviet Union

Gas getting more expensive = towelheads need some bashing

Foreigners = nuke'em

EUR = NWO = instrument of oppression

Germans = itching to march into Poland

Just exercising, tell me if I'm getting it wrong. It's hard but I might succeed (thanks for the typo unfounded)

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:53 | 2269102 GetZeeGold
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Hmmm......kinda touchy on the word socialist......maybe we should stop using it........NAWWWW.


Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:00 | 2269159 writingsonthewall
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I always find it useful to understand what a word actually means before I start repeating it

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:02 | 2269162 Ghordius
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not me! spent a good part of my life fighting socialists and tolerating social democrats and faith conservatives

though tweaking the nose of badly informed Libertarians is even more fun

well, not everybody can be a giant like Judge Napolitano or Ron Paul (though they are somewhat radical, both of them)

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 11:16 | 2269695's picture

Of course they are radical. Radical means to go to the root and the root of human existence and happiness is individual sovereignty.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 13:03 | 2270106 RichardP
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You claim to know what makes anybody other than yourself happy??

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 13:10 | 2270142's picture

As to the specifics of each individual's happiness I do not and can not know. That's why each individual's sovereignty must be respected.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 14:38 | 2270453 Cathartes Aura
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of course, some individuals are more sovereign than others, so they need to be constitutionally man-aged.

so radical.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:29 | 2269257 smb12321
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Do not stop using the word Socialist.  Massive evidence demonstrates it's the  best force for producing goods, feeding folks and fueling technology.  Almost every country has adopted some form of Socialism but those adhering to its principles the closes have given us new inventions, medicines and freedom.  They also led the world in artistic freedom.  Why can't folks understand this given all the evidence?

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:37 | 2269271 Chump
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Massive evidence, of which you've provided -none-.  Proceed at your own leisure.  Be sure to rank the most socialisty and list their new inventions, medicines, freedoms, etc.  Maybe start with the [former] USSR?  Mondays suck and I'd love a laugh or three.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 11:15 | 2269692 writingsonthewall
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Well to start with the former USSR wasn't sopcialist - but I suppose their first man in space, first man orbitting in space, first spacerocket in space, first satellite in space etc. are nothing - considering they were a agarian economy - barely Fuedal - before they tried to get together (co-operation) rather than stabbing each other in the back for a buck (Capitalism)


Lets us not forget how the US won the cold war - with that HUGE PILE OF DEBT you're sitting on now.


American Cold war 'victory' - a fantasy result presented by an ex-actor.


Well done America.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 11:19 | 2269704's picture

The only way to feed, shelter and clothe more people is to increase production. The forcible redistribution of wealth from producers to non-producers reduces the desire of productive individuals to increase their output.

If you disagree then send me all your money. Then work harder and send me more money.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 11:30 | 2269744 Chump
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The constitutionally socialist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics wasn't socialist?  That's very...uh...interesting.

Yeah, the space race.  Hoorah.  And the arms race that destroyed their economy.  And we [United States] have lots of debt.  Blah blah you have an answer for my post or are you just a troll that's better off being ignored?

I do have to add, though, that for an agrarian economy that "tried to get together" they sure did manage to starve a shitload of Ukranians.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 15:04 | 2270545 Totentänzerlied
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Their gulag program was much more impressive.

The most murderous state in human history got to space frist? Congratu-fucking-lations to them.

Let's not forget how the USSR lost the Cold War - as if there were winners or losers, keep repeating that meme! - massive debt, famine, forced relocation, genocide, jackboot thuggery, and corruption. Kinda like the US but moreso. Yay, history is fun!

But you're right, they were not socialist, and by that same token the west was not capitalist. Both were under a form of state capitalism.

Well done 20th century, you deserve it.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 17:04 | 2270976 smb12321
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Hey - cool down.  It's sarcasm.  If the real issue in economics is determing value then socialism fails miserably.  Any price not set by the market is - by definition - inaccurate and this was socialism's downfall.  They went broke because they had no sense of valuation.  Take care.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 10:26 | 2269473 Jake88
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In case you haven't been paying attention.  US democrat =US republican

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 12:46 | 2270048 Things that go bump
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Mon, 03/19/2012 - 14:41 | 2270469 Cathartes Aura
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agreed.   and US president = paid figurehead, or compensated corporate mouthpiece even.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:59 | 2269151 writingsonthewall
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...and GUNS = FREEDOM?

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:15 | 2269213 Ghordius
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the classic is FREEDOM = SLAVERY, though

but buying the products of an out-of-control weapons industry is good business, so


Mon, 03/19/2012 - 11:22 | 2269714's picture has uncovered video from 1995 of then-U.S. Attorney Eric Holder announcing a public campaign to "really brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way."

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 13:15 | 2270156 General Decline
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"...and GUNS = Freedom?"

The current condition of the USA would prove the above statement to be false... Ill give you that.  But I will go out on a limb and say "NO GUNS = SLAVERY" every time.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 11:29 | 2269741 swiss chick
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To Wall St...

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 13:02 | 2270103 vast-dom
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many flapped on over to nyc to feed here. my caratoid is closed for business, and i managed to transfuse back to human, but boy was it close. 

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:17 | 2268949 caribbeanbarry
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Toulouse?  The home town of the French Military Industrial Complex?  

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:29 | 2269015 i-dog
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No ... Toulouse, the home of French rugby!

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:52 | 2269094 knukles
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Talk about Oxymorons...
French Rugby...
...nothing left To-Loose

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:24 | 2269241 Henry Chinaski
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reality TV, public property, green industry, shared responsibility, politically correct...

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 10:34 | 2269505 i-dog
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Agreed ... they're legends in their own mind :)

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 11:23 | 2269720
Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:10 | 2268957 Mitzibitzi
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Seems like a lot of people around my area (north Wales) are in a 'funny mood' the past few weeks, too. No outright hostility broken out yet but maybe 30% are unusually short tempered and irritable. Possibly a little scared and worried looking / acting, too. I think all this shit may be slowly sinking into the public subconscious - God knows it's worrying me!

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:30 | 2269018 goldfish1
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Relax. Solar flares have revved up the people these past few weeks.

Luckily for me, we have beautiful weather when this time the past few years has been not as pleasant.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:37 | 2269036 Dugald
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Funny mood is it then boyo?

We will keepa welcome in the mountains, we'll keep a welcome in the vales

and we'll all go quietly crazy with all the rain in central wales,

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:37 | 2269037 writingsonthewall
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Where did you think the riots came from?


The rioters did the rioting - but it was the pissed off people who stood by and watched


2 self imposed problems by Government.


1) ruling by fear - means that nobody intervenes anymore because of knives, guns etc - they all wait for the police - backfires a little when you realise there are 20,000 people per copper

2) You allow criminal and immoral behaviour at the top (expense fiddling MP's, media moguls choosing Governments, police taking hush money and suppressing investigations) - and eventually the general public will shrug it's shoulders when it see's criminal activity at the bottom.


Classic unintended consequences.


...and their response? - Chastise the looters and ignore the rest.


How is that going to turn out?

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:54 | 2269116 knukles
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Aye, the sheeps were stolen away.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:15 | 2268973 slaughterer
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MDB just E-Mailed me this re. this ZH article:

"slaughterer, please post this for me at ZH while I am detained at the proctologist:

All of these so-called 'ominous' developments can be seen as fundamentally encouraging to Europe and markets at large, as whenever there is a violent burst of libertarian irrationality, the black helicopters are not far behind in restoring order and balance.

thanks, MDB" 

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 12:50 | 2270059 Things that go bump
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Getting the stick taken out of his ass?

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:19 | 2268984 Azannoth
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"A man on a scooter opened fire outside a Jewish school in Toulouse in southwestern France on Monday, killing two children and one adult"

Chutzpa Bitchez! .. or is it Karma


Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:24 | 2268999 francis_sawyer
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Is that anything like the jewish student who was caught on camera putting "anti-jewish" graffitti on the dormitory message board?

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:26 | 2269008 GeneMarchbanks
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“Who hates the Jews more than the Jew?” --Henry Miller
Mon, 03/19/2012 - 10:35 | 2269513 Gashole
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stupid f***s like you and the last 2 posters.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 11:46 | 2269818 FeralSerf
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Usual suspects -- who's the supreme false flag perpetrators?  Remember the Achille Lauro?

"...a terrorist doing work for Spetsnaz does not, in the great majority of cases, suspect he is being used. He is utterly convinced that he is acting independently, of his own free will and by his own choice.” - Viktor Suvorov, Spetsnaz, 1987


Mon, 03/19/2012 - 13:26 | 2270194 General Decline
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I never really understood the animosity towards Isreal until I understood the USS Liberty incident. You might want to look that one up Gashole.  You might change your tune a bit.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 13:36 | 2270237's picture

Also research the bombing of the King David Hotel and the deaths which resulted from Israel selling stolen intelligence gathered by their spy Jonathan Pollard.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 10:06 | 2271471 Gashole
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Mon, 03/19/2012 - 11:32 | 2269752's picture

As a pro-Palestinian anti-Zionist I'd just like to say that I sympathize with the Jewish folks at that school and I hope that that perpetrator will be stopped before he can do such a thing again.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 12:25 | 2269954 DosZap
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If your not ready for anything,you best get there quick.

The DOOR is about to close.......................right hand, watch the left.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:15 | 2268950 bdc63
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"going postal" used to be a strictly American phenomenon ... if we're going to start exporting something, did it really have to be driveby shooting and hate crime?

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:15 | 2268976 Ghordius
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I believe it was two years ago that a high school student in Germany went on a killing spree

some think it was after watching Bowling for Columbine, others blame the ego-shooters

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:56 | 2269132 JPM Hater001
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Actually hate crimes were perfected by the Germans.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:17 | 2269223 j0nx
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There is no such thing as a hate crime. There is only crime. The term 'hate crime' is a creation of the politically correct liberal's mind and a figment of his deranged imagination.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 10:07 | 2269401 Bleeding Fart
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'hate crime' is a creation of the politically correct liberal's mind

And 'political correctness' is a strawman created by people who want to shut down valid debates about oppression and injustice.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 14:49 | 2270502 Cathartes Aura
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well, the "crime" of grabbing a gun and heading off in a shoot-em-up seems to be disproportionally related to being a male, and most often "white" - and they sure act hate-full.

junk if you like, but really, it's a very obvious, easily observed demographic.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:09 | 2268951 Ghordius
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Tsk, tsk, tsk, impossible, everybody knows that in Europe nobody is allowed to have firearms, isn't it so?

Seriously, this is not news, it's "olds". The only relevant information is the statistics of murder per year and 100'000 residents.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:14 | 2268972 bank guy in Brussels
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Note to Americans: Surprise! We actually have lots of private civilian guns in Europe.

Germany: 25 million civilian privately owned handguns, shotguns, rifles.
France: 19 million civilian privately owned handguns, shotguns, rifles.
And so on.

We do not carry them around, or have as high gun ownership rates as in the US, but 100 million plus private guns in Europe is definitely significant. - Also, we talk much less about the guns, and gold and silver, that we own.

What may give Americans the illusion Europe prohibits guns, is a special case - the crazy UK Brit government did indeed confiscate all privately owned handguns in the 1990s (though not long guns). - But the Brit regime has crazy moments, the cult of law and lawyers going too far (like happens in the US in a different way, with the US judges no longer honouring the US Constitution).

It is not like that on the European Continent. Here we know the Nazis can come back, they were here before, we know 'things can change'. We have seen fascism, like the US is seeing now. Guns stay in European people's hands and homes. Belgium is a big gun-owning country too.

Facts of gun ownership and policies in countries around the world:

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:24 | 2268985 GetZeeGold
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You should start using them then......we did in Athens TN in 1946.


The event is sometimes cited by firearms ownership advocates as an example of the value of the Second Amendment in combating tyranny.
The primary election was held on August 1. To intimidate voters, Mansfield brought in some 200 armed "deputies." GI poll-watchers were beaten almost at once. At about 3 p.m., Tom Gillespie, an African- American voter was told by a sheriff's deputy that he could not vote. Despite being beaten, Gillespie persisted. The enraged deputy shot him. The gunshot drew a crowd. Rumors spread that Gillespie had been shot in the back; he later recovered. Other deputies detained ex-GI poll-watchers in a polling place, as that made the ballot counting "public." A crowd gathered. Sheriff Mansfield told his deputies to disperse the crowd. When the two ex-GIs smashed a big window and escaped, the crowd surged forward. The deputies, with guns drawn, formed a tight half-circle around the front of the polling place. One deputy, "his gun raised high...shouted: 'If you sons of bitches cross this street I'll kill you!'"
Mansfield took the ballot boxes to the jail for counting. The deputies seemed to fear immediate attack by the "people who had just liberated Europe and the South Pacific from two of the most powerful war machines in human history"
Short of firearms and ammunition, the GIs scoured the county to find them. By borrowing keys to the National Guard and State Guard armories, they got three M1 Garand rifles, five .45 semi-automatic pistols and 24 British Enfield rifles. The armories were nearly empty after the war's end. By 8 p.m. a group of GIs and "local boys" headed for the jail but left the back door unguarded to give the jail's defenders an easy way out.
Three GIs alerting passersby to danger were fired on from the jail. Two GIs were wounded. Other GIs returned fire.
Firing subsided after 30 minutes; ammunition ran low and night had fallen. Thick brick walls shielded those inside the jail. Absent radios, the GIs' rifle fire was uncoordinated. "From the hillside fire rose and fell in disorganized cascades. More than anything else, people were simply shooting at the jail"
Several who ventured into the street in front of the jail were wounded. One man inside the jail was badly hurt; he recovered. Most sheriff's deputies wanted to hunker down and await rescue. Governor McCord mobilized the State Guard, perhaps to scare the GIs into withdrawing. The State Guard never went to Athens. McCord may have feared that Guard units filled with ex-GIs might not fire on other ex-GIs.
At about 2 a.m. on August 2, the GIs forced the issue. Men from Meigs County threw dynamite sticks and damaged the jail's porch. The panicked deputies surrendered. GIs quickly secured the building. Paul Cantrell faded into the night, having almost been shot by a GI who knew him, but whose .45 pistol had jammed. Mansfield's deputies were kept overnight in jail for their own safety. Calm soon returned. The GIs posted guards. The rifles borrowed from the armory were cleaned and returned before sunup.


Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:57 | 2269353 writingsonthewall
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...and Greece ended as a military dictatorship in 1973.


Go guns - bringing freedom eh?

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 11:53 | 2269845 In Vino Veritas
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You do realize that he's refering to Athens, TENNESSEE - where the answer to your (mocking?) question is "yes".

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 12:41 | 2270024 writingsonthewall
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Oh I see - I was confused by your lack of history - there is of course only 1 Athens in the world worth mentioning.


That makes his example even worse - a hick town in hick country decided to arm itself and shoot up the sherrifs office?


Is this the same state which as the last state to give women the vote?


Very progressive - we should take our lead from them.



Tue, 03/20/2012 - 00:14 | 2272185 In Vino Veritas
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The reading error was yours.  That you can't deal with being called on it speaks volumes.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:20 | 2268988 Ghordius
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awwww, I was itching for a fight and you come with facts. spoilsports - you are becoming Belgian, I'd say

though I was not aware of the UK confiscation of shorts

Don't ever mention the US Judges, particularly the Federal ones here . it could go forever.

They are the reason why so many moan here about "unelected" gov power when "analyzing" european constitutional setups.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:31 | 2269020 writingsonthewall
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Don't get me wrong - I'm all for freedom - but being given permission to own a gun by the state is not a path to maintain freedom - it's a false dawn.


At best it will get you killed in a shootout with the FEDs - which they can blame on you being armed.


A much better plan is to work out HOW you will obtain weapons when the time comes (possibly from external help) - like the Syrian rebels have


Check out Syria - they are only permitted hand guns...


...but they have AK47's to fight with now - you see mass defections have their advantages - as well as sympathisers outside the country.


The REAL question is - will you accept Al Quaeda's assistance with arm supply when your Government cracks down and tries to steal your Gold / liberty / community!!


...crossing the path from terrorist to freedom fighter...

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:34 | 2269025 Calmyourself
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Where to start.. Hmm, Saudi are arming the rebels..

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:41 | 2269058 writingsonthewall
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Exactly the point - someone always arms the rebels.


You don't need a worthless piece of paper allowing you to own a gun (so they know where they all are) - in order to be comfrotable that if the worst case scenarion happens - the people will be armed.


See the scenes from Kyzakstan - hundreds of armed police (firing) were overwhelmed by thousands of protestors - armed with rocks and bats.


End result - people armed, state disarmed - as opposed to 'people armed - state armed' - which is much more dangerous.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:48 | 2269311 XenoFrog
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What you don't understand is that the piece of paper doesn't allow me to own the gun. It exists to describe the limitations of my government to interfere with rights that existed independant of said paper.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:55 | 2269344 writingsonthewall
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Oh really? - so gun ownership is legal with a criminal record?


I don't recall that being in the second amendment.


Clearly what you think and what is true are 2 different things.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 10:43 | 2269544 TheGardener
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If one were to make a case against gun ownership it
would be wise to start with those who have a history of
abuse. Government entities the world over would fail.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 10:46 | 2269560 pods
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Second amendment is about your natural right to self defense as a sovereign.

That right is independent of any silly title that your government puts on you.

The fact that they infringe on this right does not make the underlying right null and void, it only means they violated it.


Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:43 | 2269065 writingsonthewall
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Did you notice that my fact filled post got 2 negatives?


Clearly FACTS have no place in the world of gun ownership.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:54 | 2269118 GetZeeGold
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The moment you want to use a real fact.....we'll be all ears.


Mon, 03/19/2012 - 08:58 | 2269146 writingsonthewall
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I'm still waiting for your numerous examples of guns saving lives (or preventing the loss of life)....


I posted facts - you clearly can't read.

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:03 | 2269170 GetZeeGold
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You posted this.....I decided it was BS.


most Americans end up shooting their own family members - writingsonthewall 2012


You can't make this stuff up.




Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:10 | 2269197 writingsonthewall
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"For every story like that I can tell you a hundred stories about people lawfully defending themselves...."



...just 1 please - a single corroborated story - it's not much to ask is it?

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 09:19 | 2269225 GetZeeGold
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No first.


most Americans end up shooting their own family members - writingsonthewall 2012


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