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Some Ominous Developments In Europe
For now, these are isolated incidents. But in Europe events of this kind have an unpleasant tendency of recurring just when it is darkest...
In Greece:
A 70-year-old man has been arrested after opening fire with a shotgun inside an Athens tax office.
Shortly after 11am, the man arrived at the entrance of Agia Paraskevi tax office and started shooting, causing only material damage. He then entered the building but did not threaten any of the officials.
Police rushed to the scene and succeeded in arresting the man, about an hour later, after encouraging him to drop his weapon.
The perpetrator is now being held in a police station, where police are carrying out a preliminary investigation. (Athens News)
And in France:
A man on a scooter opened fire outside a Jewish school in Toulouse in southwestern France on Monday, killing two children and one adult, a police source said.
Five people were injured in the attack, which occurred as students were arriving for morning classes at the Ozar Hatorah school, a city official said.
The attack comes after three soldiers were killed in two separate shootings in the same region by a man who escaped from the scene on a scooter.
French Interior Minister Claude Gueant broke off a visit in northeastern France to head for Toulouse, the police source said. French media reported that security was being tightened at all Jewish schools in the country.
Then, even odder, there is this:
Tuberculosis is often seen in the wealthy West as a disease of bygone eras - evoking impoverished 18th or 19th century women and children dying slowly of a disease then commonly known as "consumption" or the "white plague". But rapidly rising rates of drug-resistant TB in some of the wealthiest cities in the world, as well as across Africa and Asia, are again making history.
London has been dubbed the "tuberculosis capital of Europe", and a startling recent study documenting new cases of so-called "totally drug resistant" TB in India suggests the modern-day tale of this disease could get a lot worse.
"We can't afford this genie to get out of the bag. Because once it has, I don't know how we'll control TB," said Ruth McNerney, an expert on tuberculosis at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.
TB is a bacterial infection that destroys patients' lung tissue, making them cough and sneeze, and spread germs through the air. Anyone with active TB can easily infect another 10 to 15 people a year.
In 2010, 8.8 million people had TB, and the Geneva-based World Health Organization (WHO) has predicted that more than 2 million people will contract multi-drug resistant TB by 2015. The worldwide TB death rate currently runs at between two and three people a minute.
Little surprise, then, that the apparently totally untreatable cases in India have raised international alarm.
The WHO has convened a special meeting on Wednesday to discuss whether the emergence of TB strains that seem to be resistant to all known medicines merits a new class definition of "totally drug-resistant TB", or TDR-TB. If so, it would add a new level to an evolution over the years from normal TB, which is curable with six months of antibiotic treatment, to the emergence of MDR-TB, then extensively drug-resistant TB (XDR-TB).
What's so frustrating about that progression, says Lucica Ditiu of the WHO's Stop TB Partnership, is that all drug-resistant TB "is a totally man-made disease".
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"In 2008 there were 680 accidental shooting deaths in the United States, with more than 15,500 shooting injuries. Most disturbing, perhaps, is the number of children involved in accidental shootings. Every day approximately five children are injured or killed on a nationwide basis as a result of handguns. The primary cause of youth-involved shooting rests with the fact that children find loaded handguns in the home – and natural curiosity leads them down the road to disaster."
Perhaps I should have said MOST AMERICAN CHILDREN WHO ARE SHOT ARE DONE SO BY A FAMILY MEMBER.
or EVERY SINGLE DAY a US citizen is shot by acccident.
http://www.thesurvivorsclub.org/extreme/surviving-accidents/accidental-s...
So I have corrected my statement - now where are these stories you have hundreds of?
You're just a bullshitting gun owning moron - I'm so glad you're in America and nowhere near me.
Cars are far more dangerous for kids.
http://www.childdeathreview.org/nationalchildmortalitydata.htm
Firearms come in a distant, distant last, far behind fire (which also should be banned I reckon). That's even including all the <19 year old gangbangers out there shooting one another, along with unarmed citizens seeing as nearly every major American city makes owning a handgun require copious fees and mountains of paperwork. That is, owning one legally. Think those gangbangers give a flying fuck about a permit?
Look, accidents happen, and from your own link the accidents with handguns can be attributed to asshole "parents" who:
1.) Can't take the time to properly secure their tools like any half-brained dolt SHOULD ALWAYS DO.
2.) Can't take the time to teach their children about guns, their uses, their dangers, and so on and so forth.
It's sad that these accidents happen. It's also sad when a child drinks Drano because their parents were busy not being parents. Or when they drive a nail through their eye with daddy's nail gun. But you're only clamoring against guns because you have an irrational aversion to firearms, plain and simple. So the answer is for you to not buy one, and shut the fuck up about it, thank you very little.
See my comment below for the data on the hundreds, nay, thousands, of incidents you were asking about.
Not me, friend, and your link goes well with the corroborated stories I posted below.
Are we playing a game of who can cooberrate more?
I don't use an NRA sponsored site to get my stories.
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/news/35559
http://www.wtsp.com/news/topstories/article/245632/250/After-accidental-...
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/local/richmond/9495649.Warning_aft...
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/crime_and_courts/accidental-shoot...
...half your links to support the claim didn't work - clearly the NRA needs more help.
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-09-10/news/fl-deadly-accidental-sh...
http://www.lsjournal.com/2012/03/16/80849/teen-charged-in-accidental-sho...
You asked for examples and got them, period. Every single link works, is corroborated (just like you demanded) and is sourced, and the compiling site has no affiliation with the NRA. I guess now we can add "blatant liar" to your list of glowing attributes.
...and I have provided as many links (and mine work, unlike all the ones you referred to) - to show accidental shooting in America are rife.
I would also point out the site is maintained by http://www.thearmedcitizen.com/ - not exactly an unbiased source is it?
You wrote:
Many more than one have been given, all corroborated. Ownership and maintenance of the site is irrelevant because every story is sourced to its original posting. But you're a liar and claim the links don't work/site is produced by the NRA/so on and so forth.
You have thoroughly lost this point, period. Unless you can come up with an intelligent reply that somehow proves none of the listed incidents did indeed happen, or were not corroborated, you are not worth further consideration.
Were there 'hundreds' as was first claimed?
You provided at best 20 - and half of them were dead links (as I said)
...but don't you worry about it....you keep pumping your old NRA beliefs and one day you'll work out WHY most American criminals turn up armed.
..not the case in Erurope I think you'll find....
"Were there 'hundreds' as was first claimed?"
I made no such claim, although I know it to be true after reading various studies, a few of which have been posted for you by other people.
However, your request, yet again: "...just 1 please - a single corroborated story - it's not much to ask is it?" is done. Finished. But you can't move on because you're not worth further consideration like I suspected. You can continue arguing with whoever has time for blatant liars.
No - you didn't make the claim - maybe you'll learn to not butt in when you have only read half the thread in future.
Sorry, I was referencing our British friend who wants to rely on someone giving you a gun if you ever need one!
"So the answer is for you to not buy one, and shut the fuck up about it, thank you very little."
...are you going to make me? - is that why you need a gun? - because otherwise I'll kick your sorry ass?
You have undermined your own argument - gun ownership needs CONTROL because otherwise how do you stop all the idiots owning one?
..or are you prepared to let everyone own one and see what happens?
I've never watched someone defeat themselves in an argument before - you must be REALLY intelligunt.
Are you 12? Your data sets and assumptions have been destroyed so you resort to playground antics. Very nice.
Let this sink into your mushy brain before you craft a reply. GUNS ARE ALREADY CONTROLLED IN AMERICA. The kid who finds his stupid asshole father's gun and shoots himself with it SHOT HIMSELF WITH A PERMITTED, CHECKED IN, PAPERWORK FILLED OUT I's DOTTED and T's CROSSED TOTALLY LEGAL GUN. As horrendous as those incidents are, 7 times as many children drank Drano or snorted Ajax and died. All totally awful accidents. Yet you pick the the one that results in the fewest accidental deaths each year and rail against it endlessly. You should be trying to ban cars and fire long before you worry about guns.
Come to grips with your irrational fear of guns. No one is going to beat you up and make you own one.
You're getting rather angry - is this why you feel you need a gun?
Is it because your brain is unable to handle an argument and resorting to shooting your opponent is your only way of 'winning'?
Without gun control are there going to be more or less accidents?
Are you going to get more or less shootings?
I mean if you hand out guns to 'anyone' as opposed to handing out guns to anyone except who you think aren't certifiably insane - do you think there will be less murders?
Youre logic is all up your ass - you're saying control isn't needed - but you have shown that even with control accidents happen.
...you then seem to say "well that's part of life" (which it isn't) and that handing out guns to everyone and anyone who wants one is more important than the lives you will saveby not doing so.
Come on - stop messing around - say what you want to say "I want a gun and I don't see why anyone should stop me" - and then stamp your feet on the floor and throw your arms in the air.
....there's a good lad...
Sooo.....we can safely revise the word most to some.
Good thing we banned all car sales due to all the traffic fatalities.
...ah vehicle fatalities - the second most endeared 'freedom' to the people and the largest cause of death.
...ever get the impression your 'freedoms' are causing pain and death throughout the world?
I would have thought that US foreign poliy would have taught you a lesson in arms - I mean there you are, biggest army in the world and still you cannot keep your people safe.
..but hey - I guess you think you're winning the war in Afghanistan don't you - just like you think you'll shoot your way to freedom when the time comes.
Yeah - good luck with that.
America has been ruined by too many action movies where bullets fly and nobody gets shot (well nobody that matters anyway) - providing you with a false sense of REALITY
From Forbes Magazine, Feb 21, 2012 - http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/02/21/disarming-the-myths-pro...
"A widely-known study conducted by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz in the 1990s found that there were somewhere between 830,000 and 2.45 million U.S. defensive gun uses annually. A National Crime Victimization Study (NCVS) which asked victims if they had used a gun in self-defense found that about 108,000 each year had done so. A big problem with the NCVS line of survey reasoning, however, is that it only includes those uses where a citizen kills a criminal, not when one is only wounded, is held by the intended victim until police arrive, or when brandishing a gun caused a criminal to flee.
For these reasons, the Cato researchers investigated published news reports which much more often reveal how Americans use guns in self-defense. The data set is derived from a collection of nearly 5,000 randomly selected incidents published between October 2003 and November 2011. Still, the authors also recognize limitations with this approach, since many defensive incidents are never reported by victims, or when they are, never get published. In fact, the overwhelming majority of the successful self-defense outcomes are those where the defendants’ guns are presented but never fired.
Most of the actual self-defense shootings in the Cato study didn’t involve concealed carry licenses, but more typically had to do with responses to residential invasions. Of these, 488 involved home burglaries. In addition, there were 1,227 incidents where intruders were induced to flee the scene by armed inhabitants, circumstances that might otherwise have resulted in injurious assaults including rapes and murders. There were 285 news accounts indicating that the defender had a concealed weapon license, which in the majority of these incidents took place outside a home or place of business. Pizza delivery drivers were common robbery targets."
"circumstances that might otherwise have resulted in injurious assaults including rapes and murders."
That's called supposing the worst case scenario to support your case. A classic tactic of the Gun lobbyists.
So you won't accept any documented example of a person using a gun to protect him or herself because by their success they eliminated the threat.
Fuckin' brilliant.
You've not done much reading of the references you've been given, I see.
"higher general gun ownership rates reduce homicide rates"
REally? - then why did you miss this on the page.
"Kleck's recent research on illegal gun markets has found that organized gun trafficking is largely irrelevant to the arming of America's criminals, and that high-volume trafficking is virtually nonexistent. Instead, gun theft is central to the channeling of guns into criminal hands."
..gun ownership helps?
Your own evidence seems to be turning against you - why don't you try shooting it.
writingsonthewall said:
The feeling is mutual.
America is nice this time of year. Cheers!
Yes - I can tell by the food stamp queues and tent cities.
So as a socialist you disdain the fruits of socialism? How quaint.
No, it's not much to ask at all. Here's what I found on this new thing called Google. Took me approximately 15 seconds. Peruse at your leisure.
http://www.kc3.com/self_defense/Self_Defense.htm
Once you improve your reading comprehension (the location of Athens), your opinion might then carry more weight.
"What may give Americans the illusion Europe prohibits guns, is a special case - the crazy UK Brit government did indeed confiscate all privately owned handguns in the 1990s"
...and for good reason....because people who insist on owning guns are always nutters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_school_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_massacre
If you think gun ownership somehow protects you from Fascism - then you are foolish. The Nazi's didn't introduce gun control - they merely extended it - and it certainly had nothing to do with them obtaining power.
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcnazimyth.html
Gun control is irrelevant - if there is a revolution - we will arm ourselves (the idea that weapons are all locked up is absurd - you only have to turn over the local police station and you're armed to the teeth)
It's just gun nutters wanting to keep their obsessions going and the false hope of having some power in their shitty little lives.
"It's just gun nutters wanting to keep their obsessions going and the false hope of having some power in their shitty little lives."
Pretty weak trolling by someone with far too much time and very little intellect. Like everything else in the world, it is all about education. If you have been educated on firearms you know that they are like any other human tool.
Thanks for demonstrating that there are "nutters" without guns too.
...of course there are nutters without guns - but you have a much greater chance of survival if you meet one.
"Pretty weak trolling by someone with far too much time and very little intellect"
Oh - so because I use REASON and FACTS I am a troll?
..and as for education - don't make me laugh - most people who own a gun in America gave up trying to learn to read and write - educating them about the dangers of gun ownership is laughable.
No. You are a troll because you disdain reason and ignore facts which don't confirm your established biases.
Really? - so you're saying that guns have brought peace to America?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence#Homicide
...or are you " disdaining reason and ignoring facts which don't confirm your established biases"
Quite good comapny you're keeping there - Colombia, Slovakia, Zimbabwe and Guatemala (one of which was in a revolution - hence the gun crime rise)
Like most gun supporters - you cannot provide facts and reason because your argument is based on self interest - at the cost of everybody else's interests.
I can't wait to see America 'shoot it's way to freedom' - just like it 'shot it's way to imposing democracy' in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I never said that guns brought peace to America. But please feel free to keep setting up straw men. It's fun to watch you rail against inane positions which are a product of your own mind.
..not as fun as it is to watch you justify arming the citizens of America for the last few hundred years - considering there hasn't been a need for an armed populace since the civil war...
..but by all means - show me why you need them.
Dont you thinkthe rest of the world has the same concerns about tyranny? - the difference is we're not so foolish to think we can shoot our way out of it.
I blame Hollywood - it's given you a false sense of reality.
You don't seem to be having fun. One might consider that the way you tie yourself up in knots trying to tell people on the other side of the world how to live their lives indicates some sense of injury or lack of fulfillment on your part.
"trying to tell people on the other side of the world how to live their lives"
Classic neo-liberal bollocks - putting yourself as the victim of some sort of state enforcement.
I NEVER ONCE said HOW you should live your lives- I am merely pointing out the pitfalls of Gun ownership.
...like most Americans of the Neo-liberal culture - you assume any questioning of your freedoms is an attack by the state. If only you were intelligent enough to see that if everyone acts towards their own liberty - others willhave theirs impacted by it.
...for example, the day you go hunting and don't see a couple 'making out' in a bush - your 'freedom to hunt' has just cost them their 'freedom to live'.
I've lost count of the number of pathetic cries for liberty which are sourced in the individualist view of "me, my and I"
I'm a voluntaryist of the Rothbard school. Why do you keep guessing when you consistently guess wrong?
writing, for those like you who can't read. Gun ownership is the first thing that is revoked when an authoritarian government takes over a country. Look at Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. It makes the slaughter of masses all that easier. Armed civilians are good civilians.
Clearly you're having difficulty reading the link I posted.
Perhaps he shot his eye out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppOXpyhM2wA
"...and for good reason....because people who insist on owning guns are always nutters."
So what does that say about the large number of cops seen on the streets of our citys dressed up in swat gear with guns hanging off of their body's and carrying automatic weapons. Some how their presence does not make me feel safer...
You think your gun ownership will stop the police owning them?
I'd say it just gives them an excuse to shoot you - as has happened in Britain on a number of occassions.
...or do you plan to outgun the authorities on your own? - just like the movies eh?
You belive that the police will always act to protect and serve. In the event that they do not, we will have the numbers and arms to protect ourselves. Guns also represent security from nature for those of us that live in rural areas. Guns are powerful tools, and those who seek to restrict ownership are tools of the state.
I use guns weekly, to protect my garden and provide food for my family. The most common uses of firearms rarely pose a threat to the public.
What nature is there that you need protecting from in Texas?
I agree in the wilds of Alaska - gun ownership makes sense - but rifles and hunting weapons - not assault rifles and rapid fire 'toys for small dicked boys'.
Real mean fight nature hand to hand - unless you have wild tigers / lions in the US that is....
I live in V.A., I need to protect my food supply (the 2acre garden) from rabbits and ground hogs. I also fight the growing coyote problem because they like to prey on calves in the fall and spring.
Tigers, lions and bears are not the only threats to humans.
Here coyotes come and nail your house pets. Owls too actually. Watch out when you let your dog off leash. Those critters are smart too. A single coyote will lure a dog to an ambush. You always see rabbit bloodstains in the snow where we walk our dog.
You need a semi-automatic weapon for Rabbits and Cyotes?
...like I said - rifles for shooting - no problems.
How many would the moped rider have killed with a 1 shot reload rifle and not an automatic?
You're justification for gun ownership does not justify the guns OWNED in America.
your justification for taking weapons away from law abiding citizens makes you a control freak.
I bet you want to restrict salt usage, and take candy machines out of schools too.
Its wet nose, control freaks like you who have neutered our society.
Guns are a powerful check on tyrants and their apologists like you.
"I bet you want to restrict salt usage, and take candy machines out of schools too."
No - let America eat itself to death - and then shoot itself to death.
"Guns are a powerful check on tyrants and their apologists like you."
Really? - so how come America has become fascist (merger of corporation and state) and your the most 'armed' in the world?
What good did your guns do preventing that?
Here is a list of the highest gun owners per capita in the world...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
Look at all the tyranicall countries there - my, it appears your argument is bullshit.
the shit has not hit the fan yet, control freak.
when it does you will be happy you have a gun (or several.)
In the meantime there are a number of fine gun ranges in southern nevada, one even with a bar and lounge on premises (which, Im happy to report, has been open for ten years with no murder/suicide yet - so there goes your bullshit argument)
"when it does you will be happy you have a gun (or several.)"
I'll be happier knowing that my neighbour isn't a gun owning psycho who will be going postal the moment he thinks someone is after his Gold!
You really think you're all cllint eastwood - well let me inform you, even in Clint's gunfights one person got killed.
You won't be Clint everytime - it's not a movie - it's called real life.
"which, Im happy to report, has been open for ten years with no murder/suicide yet - so there goes your bullshit argument"
Ah well - that piece of anectdotal 'evidence' is conclusive - I shouldn't worry about any other suicides and accidents reported - as long as the one firing range you know hasn't had any accidents or suicides reported to you then we all have nothing to worry about.
Seriously - is this what passes for debate in America?
No wonder you're so confused.
you asked for an example, shit for brains
and now you have one
but why take my confused word for it; call the range yourself
http://www.deserthillsshootingclub.com/clubhouse.php
or better yet, volunteer to be a target.
"The second victim was able to shoot and kill the fox, and he turned it over to the state Game Commission, which in turn turned it over to us. We sent it to the state Health Department laboratory, where it was confirmed it was rabid," Moore said.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/westmoreland/s_78523...Is that serious?
We have foxes in Britain - we don't need to buy a powerful gun to get rid of them.They're hardly a danger.
Try not leaving out so much rubbish for them to rummage through as they are scavengers - maybe speak to your local McDonalds and ask them to stop leaving out rotting meat which also causes rats.
Crikey - talk about bringing a gun to a pea shooter fight - are Americans pussies or something?
I've never heard of anyone NEEDING to shoot a fox in self defence!
You're not doing your country a service by posting links to killing vermin as a justification for owning guns which will kill 50 men in less than a minute!
We have foxes in Britain - we don't need to buy a powerful gun to get rid of them.They're hardly a danger.
Look at your Crime rates, since your illustrious idiot leaders took away your private rights............
OFF the Charts, just like Austrailia.................need to find somewhere else to peddle your Eurotrash pablum.
SERF.
"Look at your Crime rates, since your illustrious idiot leaders took away your private rights"
What a croc - crime rates are related to Economic activity and wealth distribution - it's got fuck all to do with 'rights'.
Since the UK banned certain types of weapons and controlled them - the number of shootings has fallen dramatically.
Maybe you could bother with some facts before telling me about my own country.
I can tell you that at the moment - NO CHILDREN HAVE BEEN MASSACRED AT SCHOOL since the impostition of stricter gun laws following Dunblane.
funny that you mention crime rates, we were having a discussion on jailing statistics here
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/new-features#comment-2272586
not that it has a direct connection with your gun-policies debate
though I always suspect that if you have a really big jail population you somehow have the side-effect of publicly paying for "crime universities"
Since you claim to have all the facts ... How many children were massacred at school in the UK in the 16 years PRIOR TO Dunblane?
PS. FYI, there have been two school shootings in Australia SINCE guns were banned there in 1996. I can't find any instances listed BEFORE guns were confiscated in 1996 (which was in response to an obvious false-flag shooting in Port Arthur, Tasmania).
When in the Middle East or Latin America where I've spent quite a bit of time, whenever I saw a security guard or military patrol walking around armed, I _always_ felt _less_ safe. If there's going to be a gun fight, who do you think will be the first targets? Even when an armoured car is doing a bank machine routine refill I stay off streets like that.
The same for bomb threats, of course that's a little more obvious. When you see the van roll up to a bank or post office in those countries, you get your ass out of the general vicinity. It always amazed me when such events would cause crowds to form. Sheep.
When you are prepared to "turn" the local police station with your dick in your hand, please let us know before hand so that we can come watch. I'll bring the popcorn. We will not be turning any police stations, with or without weapons.
...you mean like this?
"Several banks and shops and the local police station bear the hallmarks of a night of violence and looting."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-14458254
...already done - no rioters injured and full access to the police station (I was there at the time, watching with my popcorn)
What's up? - your heavily armed police force (justified by a heavily armed population) too difficult to overthrow?
Land of the free my ass - you find yourself in a violent situation - we will merely decommission our police force with little loss of life
You future is to be mown down by assault rifles (which you think you can 'out-gun')
Good luck with that!
writingsonthewall
And people who think as you do occupy Pennsylvania Ave, that's what makes you a danger to society.
I don't even know where the fuck Pennsylvania avenue is - just remember, the world doesn't reveolve around America and it's stupidity.
the world doesn't reveolve around America and it's stupidity.
This may not be true, unfortunately. That's the essence of global hegemony.
So you know little to nothing about America but you still presume to tell Americans how to go about their business. Do you often take strong opposition to things of which you have no knowledge?
"but you still presume to tell Americans how to go about their business"
oh Ho ho ho - here we have someone from the country who has made meddling in other's affairs IT'S BUSINESS telling me to mind my own?
Thanks, but as Brit America is the spawn of our worst (and best) elements - we created you - so it is very much our business (unless you're a American Indian in which case tell me to piss off and I will respectfully do so)
"Do you often take strong opposition to things of which you have no knowledge?"
So only people who live in America know about guns and shootings? (the point of the article in question)
My, my - we do have an inflated Ego don't we?
I'm a non-interventionist who has been protesting against wars of aggression since I was six years old. Of course that's just another example of you having absolutely no idea of what you're talking about.
You might also want to note that Britain begs like a beaten cur to be included in American fox hunts. But don't let the facts slow you down.
"I'm a non-interventionist who has been protesting against wars of aggression since I was six years old"
So you belive that the Government shouldn't use force to meddle in others affairs - but you're happy for the sale of weapons to the public who may decide to use them in an act of aggression?
It seems that what you demand from your country - you do not expect from your fellow citizen.
...or do you presume they are made of better material?
How do you know those "nutters" that kill children aren't false flag attacks by the very ones that want guns to be confiscated? It should be obvious that the ones that investigate and prosecute these horrible crimes are the same ones that want the firearms confiscated. A false flag attack would be easy to cover-up.
It seems strange that these sort of massacres are more common in the countries (or states) where their powers-that-be are trying to outlaw firearms than those that are not trying to do so.
Do the Finns massacre their children with their firearms?
That's just crazy. It's not as if the Justice Department's selling of guns to Mexican criminals which were then used to murder Mexican and American citizens had anything to do with their concurrent campaign to promote the idea that guns obtained legally in the US were being funneled to Mexico for illegal purposes.
It was all just a coincidence.
You have posted this a number of times and I have asked a number of times where these guns are stored? We both know there are virtually no militarily useful arms in civilian hands and virtually no ammunition stores so stop.. You cannot get your gun out of the shooting range locker without permission, right.. Your double barrel shotgun is not an FAL and guess what your governments know that too.
"but 100 million plus private guns in Europe is definitely significant."
“The state of Wisconsin has gone an entire deer hunting season without someone getting killed. That’s great. There were over 600,000 hunters.
Allow me to restate that number. Over the last two months, the eighth largest army in the world – more men under arms than Iran; more than France and Germany combined – deployed to the woods of a single American state to help keep the deer menace at bay.
But that pales in comparison to the 750,000 who are in the woods of Pennsylvania this week. Michigan’s 700,000 hunters have now returned home. Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia, and it is literally the case that the hunters of those four states alone would comprise the largest army in the world.”
this is, indeed, a good argument for accepting that hunters, and the guns they use to hunt deer, are relatively safe, and that "accidents" are relatively rare.
one thing I'll note, the "largest army" of hunters - are they armed with assault rifles?
I'll let you go hunting with Wade sometime. Assult or hunting he will kill you long before you kill him.
So why didn't the 'heaviest armed state in America' (Texas) stop this shooting then?
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-texas-court-shooti...
It seems that owning guns is not the panacea of safety you suggest.
At least these gunmen were after 'targets' - most Americans end up shooting their own family members in the middle of the night as they get up for the toilet and Daddy thinks there's a burgulary!
For every story like that I can tell you a hundred stories about people lawfully defending themselves.....but I'm sure you'd rather not hear about that.
In a crisis.....the police wont' be there to help you.....they'll fill out the paperwork afterward.
I'll keep my guns. Move to New York......where the mayor will personally protect you.
"For every story like that I can tell you a hundred stories about people lawfully defending themselves..."
I'm all ears - awaiting the onslaught of stories.
Right after you give me all of these........you should change the word most to all.....then you would be believable.......worked for Hitler.
most Americans end up shooting their own family members
Did you not read the FACTS about the Nazi's and gun control? - instead prefer to diverting to what you were TOLD by some NRA member?
Moron
Wow.....the idiot payed me a complement......thanks chief.
You are testament to the fact that America is kept armed by the combination of Hollywood and stupidity.
Think you can shoot your way to freedom?
You're barely half an ideology.
Hey.....that's not half bad.
Writing, next you are going to tell me it is more honorable to die through a stabbing and a black market does not exist for guns everywhere. LOL!
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/some-ominous-developments-europe
What's that? - an effort at facts?
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...oh and the state KNOWS you have registered guns - the state has no idea where I will get mine from.
You will be already marked as a threat (if state control comes to fruition) - I am not.
So you keep your guns.
You can have an unregistered gun...but I shouldn't have a lawful registered gun.....spoken like a true Bolshevik.
"Bolshevik"
Are you just parroting words you hear again?
I don't OWN any gun, but I know where to get one when I need it.
Clearly you're so clever you gave the authorities your address and a reason to come round (to confiscate it)
Didn't they teach you that at the last rally? - or were you too busy cheering and clapping like a performing seal?
I don't OWN any gun, but I know where to get one when I need it.
I'm sure the drug crazed crooks will be happy to wait for you while you go get it.
"I'm sure the drug crazed crooks "
...what did I say about Governments ruling by fear earlier?
You're a classic idiot - think you're superior in intellect to the Government - but playing right into their hands like a fool.
I hate to break it to you (moron) - but we're the drug crazed crooks.
Geees man - you're so fucked - no wonder you're relying on your gun - your 'brain' ain't gonna get you nowhere!
By the time you need it, it will be to late to get one.
This whole thing is absurd of course, but it reminds me of the recent summer camp shooting overseas. Apparently, even the police there have to get permission to get their guns. Who can forget the Columbine shooting too? I'll never forget watching the police hiding behind a fire truck while two teenage thugs continued to kill people inside. Now that's courage! By the time the police moved in, the shooters had already taken their own lives. The entire incident is a perfect example of how the police are not going to protect you or your children. It is your job to do it.
...so in that example - you son is at Colombine and you hear about the shootings - tell me - how does turning up with your aresenal shooting at who you think are the shooters help save lives?
A great way to blame the police for their failure to PROTECT - but nothing about your own (and your nations) responsibility to PREVENT KIDS GETTING HOLD OF AUTOMATIC WEAPONS.
Many Americans know the word 'responsibility' - but very few actually show any!
The Colombine shootings started when the kids got guns - not when the police showed up after several students were already dead!
There is evidence -- "clear and convincing"?, probably not, but plenty of unanswered questions -- that the Columbine massacre was a false flag operation.
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/columbine-massacre--government-bla...
Qui bono?
You must live in a blue state.
Here in flyover country a semi auto long rifle (AK or AR type) can be transferred with no bill of sale, tax or registration between private parties.
The way it should be.
Virginia is the same way. Face to face sales of long guns and hand guns is completely legal. You should at least check for a VA drivers license though to make sure they are really a VA resident. Then a lot of people want to see a CHP (Concealed Handgun Permit). I don't bother with the permit, and I only skim the license. The goal is NOT to remember who they were. My legal requirement is doing my best to be sure they are a legal resident. Does the picture match the face? The license isn't expired? That's it. Even CHP'ers could be a recent felon, so checking anything else is stupid.
I've sold numerous weapons within the state. Who knows how many I've bought the same way too. The government knows I'm armed. It just has no idea with what or how many.
I went to my county caucus two weeks ago with both my state legislators and they thought I was nuts when I asked them to protect me from the NDAA bill.
No actually, I think the primary use of personal firearms is shooting yourself followed by shooting your wife. You can look that statistic up, it's pretty consistent across most geographic locations.
To get handgun permit where I live (Canada, no full auto weapons allowed, no concealment either) I had to give references who get asked mostly about me being depressed or suicidal, or if I had been arguing with my wife recently. It's pretty much impossible to stop a criminal from getting a gun if he wants one; I don't think the cops have any illusions about that. Same as outlawing drugs and prostitution: waste of effort that allows gangs to corner the market. My firearms application also required my wife's signature.
So you believe that over 150 million Americans have shot another 150 million Americans in their own homes in the middle of the night? That's just plain crazy, dude.
in ths crazy world, it will be positive for stocks of vespa, honda, guns, ammo, and greek take out
Clouds have been dark for a while. Will it be acid rain this time?
A red sun rises. Blood has been spilled this night.
Time for NATO humantian missions into France and Greece. We must protect the people from themselves. Damn White man's burden.
Oh wait, they dont have fossil fuel resources; call off the dogs.
add Pittsburgh last week
People are going to start going apeshit.......apeshit with weapons everywhere.
If you have ever thought about getting some sort of firearm protection I suggest that you get is sooner than later. You may not have the option in the near future. Uncle Barry signed an order Friday night that is just another canary in the coal mine.
Going austerity...
'London has been dubbed the "tuberculosis capital of Europe", and a startling recent study documenting new cases of so-called "totally drug resistant" TB in India suggests the modern-day tale of this disease could get a lot worse.'
London: there's hope for your bankster infestation problem.
you forgot the bedbugs - oh, sorry, I see you did mention the banksters
We got rid of the bankers first......it just seemed logical.
What's wrong with these assholes? Don't they know everything is getting better? They should go buy themselves a yacht or mansion or something.
Yep, instead of doing something productive like going to Tiffany's or yachting these guys are doing crimes. apparently they haven't heard everything is fixed. They should lever up
Things can only get better!
All those Muslims the jew supremacists let into Europe in their haste to destroy old Europe are going to bite them in the ass.
Stop being such a Jew / Muslim hater - you can't pin your failure to control your own Government on the Jews and Muslims.
Take some responsibility.
Please lack of personal accountability, and scapegoating are the hallmarks of government who has done their job well.
Keeping the people divided is what keeps the elite in power.
Carry on haters.
jewess activist admits that jews have a leading role in muslim immigration into Europe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaSy9yjK5Uw
What crap - JOBS and CAPITAL are the leading role in ANY immigration you turkey!
Wow. It is on youtube and the interne so it must be true.
Might want to brush up on the critical reasoning skill set, or i am guessing, not.
you, sir, are a moron.
sadly, this does not make you an easily persecutable minority, though in your case Hitler would have had you sterilized, at least
muslim immigration in Europe has 95% something to do with colonization. Exception: Turks in Germany.
and it's a tad difficult to claim jewish influence on this since we nearly have no jews in Europe - but again, logic is not your forte
If you jew supremacists think you're going to attack Iran and other Islamic countries without serious repercussions for jews, in Europe especially, you are mistaken. We don't know yet who the shooter is but I think it is a strong possibility that these attacks in France are just the opening salvo of what is to come if Iran is attacked.
1. I'm not a jew, got a bloody stupid pedigree going back for centuries to prove it quite well. (wuff? can you prove you don't descend from Jews?)
2. I have some quite unsavory ancestors who were quite unfriendly to jews, and lots of now dead fascist relatives who did not think well of them
3. I get the impression you are some kind of supremacist, though I never heard of Moronic Supremacists
4. where do you bloody see those "jews in europe"? we nearly exterminated all of them, remember? Idiot
5. WTF are you blathering about jews anyway? how can you make people responsible for how they got born? Where you asked if you want to be born the way you were? If yes, why did you not ask for a brain?
6. in europe, as anywhere, we have shootings, from time to time. get used to this fact, shit happens all the time, everywhere
7. you have no idea what you are talking about when you blather about "Islamists" in Europe. which pocket of them? eh?
8. here in Europe we had lots of terror acts since WW2. continuosly. you have no clue. if we would react like the US does it would shut down the continent.
You know what's the "funniest" part? The soldiers who got killed in the previous two shootings were arabs.
So, hm, it's all the muslims' fault?
this looks more and more like a repeat of the Norwegian Templar type act; the two killings may be linked; soldiers and school kids, as a Colt 45 was used. THe killer profile is that of a cold, quick firing, deliberate, methodical man whose planned every step like a professional. It could be an extreme right nut or group of them with military backgrounds.
Sarkozy and Marine Le Pen are feeling the heat if this scenario is a repeat extreme right wing organised thingie like in Oslo. Both have been fanning the racial fires in the ongoing presidential race. When you sow as hi-profile leaders, the nation reaps, and weeps...Lets see the balisitic analysis on this conjecture...
This is the consequence of trying to win votes by pandering to the rigth wing by a desperate politician.
If you don't descend purely from extra-terrestrial, African, native American or oriental stock, you are most certainly descended from some Judean ancestors.
To put this in perspective, Jesus of Nazareth allegedly lived about 90 generations ago. In that period of time you would have 2^90 (about 1 with 27 zeros after it) ancestors, many more people than ever lived on Planet Earth. The odds that none of your ancestors lived in the middle east 2,000 years ago is close to zero.
You are also your own cousin, many times over.
and you are my cousin, too! ;-)
explain it to the other guy, but please don't mention Jesus, he might remember that his mother was jewish...
A natural reaction to the wanton depraved pervasive evil they see all around them and wicked governments that condone and participate in it.
"The world is a dangerous place to live---not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." … Albert Einstein
I hear Madagascar just shut its ports.
If we could only get Madonna to shut her "port" ?
Good luck with that.
you lads can shut your port to Madonna, or any of the other popular newsy peoples, ANYTIME you decide to.
those of us who don't keep up on TeeVee or meedya gossip will thank you for not continually updating us with your imPORTanti (s)nooooz(e).
Menstrual cycles are synchronizing all around the world ! Men have monthly testosterone flare ups....and they are synchronizing, too ! Given a long enough time line....we'll all synchronize our bitchy periods ! Monedas 2012 Comedy Jihad World Tour
One World Ovum.
Europe has no monopoly on meltdowns; throw in Afghanistan too. We're in a world depression so it's no surprise to see this stuff happening everywhere.
Someone needs to put signs on the road with big red arrows directing these idiots to the banks. When are we going to see a better class of shooter? I mean, HAVE A PLAN first. Try SHOOTING THE RIGHT PEOPLE!!! Think BANKSTERS BANKSTERS BANKSTERS and politicians.
While everyone is bored to death and we're all waiting to invade Iran maybe we should offer up an appatizer to the moronic masses in The USSA and attack the Virgin Islands or something. I'm feeling like those rich people lying on a beach are REALLY trying to take my freedom away. At least it would be something to watch on the MSM bubblegeaded retard news.
an invasion of the socio-economic terrorists in Washington (and the lobbyists offices) would be more productive than a jolly to the Carribbean
It's transitory - all will be fine by 8 pm eastern... "Dancing with Stars" starts tonight. We are one wardrobe malfunction away from world peace.
When did India become a part of Europe again?
Only when the news from Europe is not ominous enough
"A 70-year-old man has been arrested after opening fire with a shotgun inside an Athens tax office."
We need a Tax Revolt... he's got the right idea but i was thinking more along the lines of just non-violent not paying any
Stop Paying Your Taxes
don't feed the problem (Govt)
Are you crazy??!! If we stop paying taxes there won't be any wars!! Do you know how boring the MSM retard news will be without war footage of people being blown away? All they'll have is fluff pieces about three legged dogs getting prosthesises and sports.
I stopped paying years ago....they can print all they need ! Printing is more efficient than a VAT ! Monedas 2012 Absolute Zero Govt !
I always thought genies came out of bottles...not bags...maybe there are special TB expert genies that live in bags
"Carbon Skidmark".....That's good ! Has anyone taken "Shit Footprint" ?
I was going for something more gritty than carbon footprint...or some other **itty perhaps
Yeah, I did a pedantic rant on that too a few lines down.
Yeah that's nice an untreatable man made disease ..ahem.. CIA ..... But let's get to the important stuff... What's apple gonna do with that cash?
Is that Greek CDS-payout-total-collapse gonna come anytime soon? Or was that another black swan turning out to be white? And hyperinflation, anyone? Not? Boring world we live in.