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Sorry Europe: China's Pockets Are...Empty

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As every central banker, politician (except Chuck Schumer), and bank CEO looks towards Chinese central planners as their apparent bottomless pit of dumb money, it seems that perhaps the cupboards are bare. Reuters, via The China Post, highlights in a recent article that while there are indeed reserves, they are gainfully employed and the unwinding of those positions (in size enough to matter) to provide the cash that is so desperately needed to keep the ponzi going, will itself cause a vicious circle of negative sentiment. In fact, analysts reckon China's armory has only about US$100 billion to spare.

Analysts suspect China's forex may be weaker than perceived (Reuters, via The China Post)

Europeans searching for a bazooka to blast away eurozone debt problems might well eye China's US$3.2 trillion foreign exchange arsenal with envy, but Beijing has far less firepower available than many assume.

 

Most of money in the world's biggest store of foreign exchange reserves is prudently kept in near-cash instruments to fund import and debt service bills in the event of an unforeseen domestic emergency, or invested in long-term assets that, if sold in size to help Europe, would spark panic on global financial markets.

 

In fact, analysts reckon China's armory has only about US$100 billion to spare.

 

“The sheer size of China's foreign exchange reserves is massive, but the actual amount of money available for investing in Europe each year isn't that big,” said Wang Jun, an economist at CCIEE, a top government think tank in Beijing.

 

A crucial constraint is China's existing holdings of U.S. Treasury securities. Beijing is by far the biggest foreign owner, with an estimated 70 percent of the nation's reserves held in U.S. government bills, bonds and other dollar assets.

 

Turn outright seller and the market value of the remaining holdings is likely to plunge.

 

That's not a great investment strategy given the Chinese public's unhappiness about the roughly 38 percent decline in the nominal value of the dollar in the last 10 years.

 

The government also may have to set aside some foreign exchange reserves to bailout the banking system if piles of loans to local governments and the property sector turn sour.

 

China injected nearly US$80 billion in reserves into its big state banks from 2003 to 2008 to help them clean up their balance sheets so they could float shares.

 

Shrinking Exports, Smaller Surplus

 

Meanwhile, China's trade surplus, essentially the money it has to invest overseas, is shrinking as Beijing does what critics in the developed world have been urging for years and rebalances its economy away from exports.

 

Imports surged 28.7 percent year on year in October and the surplus of US$17 billion was well short of the US$24.9 billion forecast by economists.

 

Beijing holds an estimated one-quarter of its reserves in euro-denominated assets, so keeping that steady implies a US$117.5 billion increase this year if the country's foreign exchange reserves grow by the US$470 billion estimated in 2011.

 

That's roughly the amount economists expect China to invest in Europe in 2012.

 

“Assuming the FX reserve accumulation does not slow significantly, I think China will put at least US$80-100 billion in euro assets per year in the next two years,” said Wei Yao, China economist at Societe Generale in Hong Kong.

 

China recycles foreign exchange assets into overseas investments so outflows of cash roughly track inflows.

 

The build-up in FX reserves, a result of the central bank's intervention to limit the yuan's appreciation, tends to fuel inflation pressures even as the central bank issues bills to mop up the amount of local currency it pumps into the economy.

 

And it explains why foreign reserves cannot easily be used for domestic spending on infrastructure or shoring up pension systems, since simply converting the cash risks driving up both inflation and the value of the yuan currency.

 

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Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:43 | 1888753 TruthInSunshine
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China is going to bail out Europe. Don't fret, peoples.

PSYCH!

It looks like China, via the PBOC and given the galactically weighty levels of fraud, graft, NINJAS (loaned to the hilt in every province), and its merry central planning, ghost city developing, buying commodities at nosebleed levels ways, is naked, too.

Go beggar thy Myanmar & North Korea, bitchez.

*But go long Chinese real estate. They're not making any more of it, and I especially like Trump Towers designed by Bang Dae-Ho in Guangdong Province as a quick way to flip for fiat.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:58 | 1888885 DormRoom
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by bailout you mean buy out European assets in Africa, usiing its Euro reserves, when shit gets reall, then yes.

 

If China plays this right, it can control the resources necessary to be a uni-polar superpower, without war. 

 

The goal of war is to get you in a better position for the next war.  If an economic collapse provides you with the same opportunity, you take it.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:59 | 1888931 TruthInSunshine
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Yes, China will control the roughly 6% of global oil supply that is in sub-s Africa, while the U.S. & other Western Powers control the remaining 94% (including about 50% of total global oil produced by being the protectorate of OPEC nations).

China is brilliantly idiotic.

The next thing they'll do is subsidize industries producing revenue losing products to be exported (wait, that's already happened).

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 19:38 | 1889622 halflink123
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oil is a commodity and it makes no difference who "controls" it.  They only thing that controls anything is cash. 

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 20:05 | 1889709 TruthInSunshine
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It sure as hell makes a difference if it's priced in USD versus...say...gold.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 21:15 | 1889869 halflink123
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I think most people who babble on about gold don't have the slightest clue what they're talking about. I have yet to hear a coherent argument for why gold should equal M3 or why platinum is not as good a monetary metal as gold.  Noone ever - ever talks about platinum for instance.

And I never said anything about how oil is PRICED (USD vs gold).  I said that oil "owners" cannot get it cheaper than oil importers, because oil is a commodity w/ one global price.  So it's inaccurate to say that since US has hijacked 95% of world's oil (which can't be right anyway b/c of Russia), China will have to pay more per barrel than U.S. Just not true b/c it's a commodity.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 22:38 | 1890058 merizobeach
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"Noone ever - ever talks about platinum for instance."  Pipe down, Halfie.  You've been here for a year but haven't paid much attention?  Platinum is problematic because the supply is very low, and the price is volatile (check the 10-year chart on Kitco).  It's use as an industrial metal, with palladium, have reduced global stocks beyond a point which they can be distributed sufficiently to be used as currency.  Incidentally, the tremendous suppression of silver prices over decades has served fiat-printers' interests by facilitating a similar reduction in global silver supplies into industrial purposes, thereby reducing the available metal for bullion and coinage, as they have attempted to de-monetize it for the stability of their paper by eliminating an historically important alternative.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 22:41 | 1890063 merizobeach
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If you haven't, check out GATA: http://www.gata.org/node/8052

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 22:54 | 1890082 Diogenes
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A large number of the world's oil wells and their output are owned by the big oil companies under contracts signed years ago, by which the actual owners of the oil (sovereign governments and their people) get a tiny royalty payment which was fixed at a low figure when oil was a lot cheaper than it is now.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 06:51 | 1890675 TheRagingTory
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You assume free and fair trade.

Which is rather unlikely.

If the US actualy occupies the oil states, its could happily pass an oil export law that allows oil to be exported only to certain nations, on certain ships, it could fix the price, it could have several fixed prices, so the US pays $50 a barrel, EU pays $150 per barrel and China pays $450 a barrel.  The US could charge the oil states for the occupation and they could pay in oil, or dollars, which the the US uses to buy oil.

 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 10:58 | 1891140 halflink123
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No, my point of view stems from the fact that oil cartels HAVE NEVER WORKED.  Everyone blames OPEC for high prices, for instance, but OPEC is a total failure.  No one has ever been able to price fix the oil market.

 

But for the sake of argument let's assume that the U.S. can fix prices in such a way that the U.S. gets oil at $100/barrel and China at $500 a barrel. I think this is impossible, but let's assume this happens.

 

In the short run this might have some effect on China but it will quickly find oil alternatives, i.e. coal, electricity, solar, etc.

 

Personally I think this displays the outright idiocy of U.S. foreign policy-the market will always find the cheapest sources of energy.  Oil is only in such high demand because it's currently still one of the cheapest and most convenient sources of energy. But when oil declines enough or runs out entirely, the market will reward other energy sources, be they solar or whatever.  

 

Re: platinum.  So you're saying only non-volatile commodities can be used as money?  If so check out the chart of gold between 1978-1982.  Pretty volatile, huh?  Re: gold price suppression etc.; almost everything is almost always tried to be gamed, be it suppressed or inflated-stocks, gold, silver, oil, beanie babies, rolex watches, antique cars.

 

But my question also is why people use M3 rather than M1 or M2 when comparing it with gold and also why they COMPLETELY ignore other metals that have HISTORICALLY been monetary in nature, i.e. silver, platinum, palladium, copper, nickel, and so forth.   Something could be said for removing the industrial applications of these metals from the equation, but no one has even done that.  Hence I have yet to hear a coherent argument on this topic.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:53 | 1888886 I think I need ...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3aIuuAHrhY 

 

first slow then it happens fast.........complete collapse ninja style

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 17:07 | 1888981 The Limerick King
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The Union is in quite a stew

Just what in the world will they do?

Things could turn sunny

With China's dumb money

"So sawwy...,but no wontons fo yu" 

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 17:22 | 1889040 TruthInSunshine
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For a brief spell I tried to match wits with you

My ego whispered "smart limericks can't be that hard to do"

After failing because my prose horribly blew

I've moved on and accepted what's true

With you, don't get into a limerick duel

I've now burned my last piss-poor batch of rhyme fuel

 

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 17:09 | 1889000 4realmoney
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I find it rather amazing that few people "care" that China is a communiist givernment and the immorality of that idealogical system. Hasn't anyone ever read Animal Farm? Growing up in the '80s, the thought of doing business with the Russians was unthinkable under the same pretext. Celente touches on this well:

http://djia.tv/gerald-celente/gerald-celente-speaks-about-politics-and-m...

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 21:35 | 1889902 FrankDrakman
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China is as communist as the US is capitalist, you moron. China is a totalitarian protection racket, run by a bunch of ruthless old men unafraid to use the world's largest standing army to quell dissent, but willing to let a few people make some serious coin, so as long as they get a rake off the top. The US is a crony corporate state, where the rich and well connected rape any and everybody for what they can, while tossing a few crumbs, like Medicare and Social Security to the masses.

Ideology - note the spelling, simpleton - is dead. It rarely survives the revolution. That's the lesson of "Animal Farm". The bigger lesson, which is taught in "Nineteeneightyfour", is the people with guns and power always win. Here's the salient quotation:

If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever.

The US was once a rebuke to this notion, but what once was, now is no longer so.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 22:04 | 1889966 wisefool
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which of the following phrases most accurately represents the classical imagery of a boot to the face:

In the USA there will be a potentate election in 2012. your choices are:

  1. A billionaire
  2. who pays less effective taxes
  3. than most single moms so / vs.
  4. encumbant wins no matter what

Yes, this is a Tyler sanctioned IQ test question on the subject of Democracy. Chose wisely.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 22:57 | 1890085 Diogenes
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More like a boot to the nuts HA HA HA HA HA WWINNING!!!!! (Goldman Sachs quote unquote)

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 21:49 | 1889941 Ropingdown
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Stuns me too,  that people ignore the fact that corporations have been able to blithely sub in chinese labor for US and Euro labor.  When I was in RVN, I Corp and Laos, risking my life to, laugh, stop communism, Kissinger and Nixon were already cozying up to the very murderous bastards whose proxies I was ordered to fight.  The corporate CEO world was enormously anti-communist...until they weren't.  "No, no, China is really capitalist, with a remnant communist party."  China was bad right up until it was the solution to inflation and global competitiveness of corporate manufacturing.  And low, the same thing is happening in both worlds now, East and West, that you can have a career or business with politically correct opinions (based on your customers and suppliers views) or you you can have political views which are free, but you cannot have both.  If I become pro-Chinese but rigidly capitalist and against dissent, I'm fine in the eyes of the FBI and the DHS.  Figure that one out and you'll see where we've gone.  Things have changed.  For this our fathers fought the fascists?

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 17:00 | 1888937 Michael
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China knew it couldn't win, so it went balls to the wall with its housing bubble on steroids. You know, if you can't beat them join them strategy? Nice call China. At least it got a lot hard assets out of the deal.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 17:42 | 1889202 Triggernometry
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You misspelled sike.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 19:37 | 1889617 halflink123
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"Buying commodities at nosebleed levels"-are you referring to gold?

 

Or is gold the only commodity not capable of reaching nosebleed levels, ever?

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:40 | 1888763 HelluvaEngineer
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$100 billion?  Excellent.  That's exactly how much we need next week!

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:47 | 1888839 centerline
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Paycheck to paycheck baby. Its all about the next fix.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:41 | 1888775 redpill
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The global forex balancing act has become a giant game of Jenga that is getting quite long in the tooth.  China knows better than to try to pull out one of the sticks at the bottom.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:41 | 1888777 ziggy59
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Sing to the Beachboys classic..
And we will print, print, print, 'till my daddy takes my printer awayyyyyyyyy.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:42 | 1888780 YesWeKahn
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When the creditor goes broke, the world is ending.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:49 | 1888854 GeneMarchbanks
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Well, the debtor can't pay so in our system that makes them... ? In need of new debt. Repeat as necessary.

 

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:51 | 1888865 TruthInSunshine
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Confucious say:

He who lay down with The Bernank wake up with wicked case of tapeworm.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:59 | 1888930 SheepDog-One
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And a real sore kornhole.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:52 | 1888782 CClarity
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China is patient.  Its plan was for the rest of the world to get too far over their skis.   It's gonna hurt on the mainland, but not as much as it's gonna hurt in Europe and North America.  Patience will be rewarded for the dragon.  Look to the Pacific as the arena for 2000-2100.  It's still very early in this new paradigm.

Also, the $100B is another example of why the US$ liquidity crisis is upon us and counterparty craziness is increasing.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:42 | 1888783 sushi
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Where's the deer?

 

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:48 | 1888846 john39
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died from shock.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:43 | 1888791 SheepDog-One
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The bucket comes up from the well...dry.

Commence WW3.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:44 | 1888812 TruthInSunshine
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It puts the lotion on its skin lest The Bernank gives it the hose again.

[This Mortal Coil blares in the background]

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:55 | 1888906 wandstrasse
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This Mortal Coil

It'll end in tears.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:45 | 1888814 ziggy59
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Dig your well before you thirst...

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:49 | 1888856 sabra1
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that's why oBLAHma placed troops in australia to cut off the supply of minerals to china. ditto in north africa, oil supplies from the middle east!

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 17:02 | 1888959 SheepDog-One
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Its all spread too thin now...sure they were able to go into Egypt and Libya but now a very tired military is to take on China and Russia? Theyve overplayed their hand here by a wide margin.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 22:52 | 1890076 merizobeach
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"Very tired military"?  Surely, there are still ever-more hordes of stupid & brainwashed (and unemployed) 18-year olds who are ready to strap on a cock and go rape the world for Uncle Sam.  And surely, at +5% per annum, DoD funding hasn't dried up.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 21:21 | 1889878 DosZap
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sabra1

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!,ve haf a vinna!!.

Checkmate!..............we are doing, have done stupid crap, but NO one is going to get to take a free ride on all the good resource spots,w/out Sammy/Unca putting in a new Military presence, or agreement.

Point, Counterpoint, just like Chess.Your move.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:43 | 1888793 marcusfenix
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and the hits just keep on coming.

economic gravity is a bitch, isn't it?

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:46 | 1888800 GeneMarchbanks
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 'China recycles foreign exchange assets into overseas investments so outflows of cash roughly track inflows.

Interesting, so how are those 'overseas investments' doing? Not to mention that domestic real estate.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:44 | 1888813 Richard Chesler
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Traveler's dilemma.

Mark it zero!

 

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:45 | 1888815 BennyBoy
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Oh that's right, we already pick pocketed them.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:45 | 1888816 Lux Fiat
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Michael Pettis wrote an article on the desire by some to see China bail out Europe and why it' not going to happen anytime soon.  A good companion piece.   http://mpettis.com/2011/11/germany-must-do-it-not-china/

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 17:02 | 1888958 Mark123
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good article...thanks....the following comment is perfect:

 

"But if Europe is asking China to lend into a fund that is effectively guaranteed by Germany, then there shouldn’t be much Chinese reluctance.  In that case however I would have to wonder why Europe needs help from foreigners.  Germany has little difficulty in borrowing on its own."

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:45 | 1888823 catacl1sm
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Uh-Oh. Shark Fin patterns on the S&P!

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:05 | 1890249 FrankDrakman
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No worries in Toronto then. We banned shark's fins, eh?

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:46 | 1888825 KickIce
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So dump some US Treasuries, what could go wrong?

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:46 | 1888828 Deadpool
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fractionally reserve that $100bln into a cool Trillion and buy Club Med...problem solved.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:50 | 1888859 rambler6421
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Don't worry.  We got Ben Shalom Bernanke printing dollars.  We're gonna be fine.

 

libertarian86.blogspot.com

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:51 | 1888866 Mark123
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"The government also may have to set aside some foreign exchange reserves to bailout the banking system if piles of loans to local governments and the property sector turn sour."

 

No kidding...this is the elephant in the room.  China has created massive debts to maintain a the growth it needs to keep the ponzi game alive.  So much of this debt was really just spending, and will never be repaid.  Eventually all those fiat based reserves will be needed to prop up their monetary system, and when they do it may also end up destroying the "value" of that fiat reserve.

 

Growth in debt is great until it stops and goes into reverse.

 

 

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:58 | 1888925 KickIce
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I hear they have lots of empty malls to use as collateral.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:51 | 1888873 Matt1973
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$100 Billion, that's like one day of US govt. spending !

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 16:55 | 1888908 hungarianboy
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I wonder when Tyler is going to watch Hungary and post his comments :-)

The hungarian CDS is beyond 2008 levels if I'm correct...

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 17:01 | 1888946 slaughterer
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the last 2 minutes on the SPY ETF saw insane volume spurts.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 19:40 | 1888954 MrBinkeyWhat
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Completely OT: What is up with the EFFEN Vodka ads? They freeze the site till you reload past them.

Who the hell wants vodka with cucumber flavor anyway? NOT ME! regardless of obnoxious ads.

Tyler...I hope you are charging the heck out of those toads. They are NOT going to run me off ZH!

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 19:45 | 1889648 MrBinkeyWhat
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Still OT: Now EVERY TIME I LOG ON I AM GETTING THOSE ADS FOR VODKA I WILL NEVER DRINK.  AND, it is locking up my pitiful IE8 computer.

So...do an aggressive cookie delete?

This shit is NOT going to drive me from ZH.

Charge the S$ht out of these folks who are @@@$$$&& your readers.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 23:19 | 1890145 StychoKiller
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Partial answer to yer ad problem is here:

http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts2.htm

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 17:08 | 1888994 Ramboy
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China too busy eating pork fried rice to care about guidos and frogs

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 17:09 | 1889004 economics1996
Thu, 11/17/2011 - 17:12 | 1889021 Magnix
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Bullsh*t! I was told they have trillions of dollars reserved unless they're lying.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 17:12 | 1889025 Jeremy Roenick
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No bird's nest soup for you!

 

 

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 17:14 | 1889039 Smiley
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Does this mean no more 8 week Holiday vacations, 3 hour workdays, and holding noses high proclaiming how much more "sophisticated" the Euros are compared to everyone else?

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 17:37 | 1889177 slewie the pi-rat
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say there!  can you help us out? 

fuk yoy, BiCheZ!

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 17:46 | 1889213 Flatchestynerdette
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someone is not telling the truth.

The Financial Times has a story today the the US sees the renmimi as a threat within the next decade

The Chinese renminbi could pose a threat to the international dominance of the US dollar within a decade, according to an independent commission set up by the US Congress.

The annual report of the US-China Economic and Sec­urity Review Commission, published on Wednesday, said China’s efforts to spread international use of its currency were succeeding in broadening its reach

“[It] no longer seems inconceivable that the RMB could mount a challenge to the dollar, perhaps within the next five to 10 years,” said the commission, chaired by William Reinsch, president of the National Foreign Trade Council, a business group. “Chinese financial authorities are laying the groundwork for these ambitions via a series of bilateral arrangements with foreign companies and financial centres.” (now, to be an honest citizen and keep the FT in business, I've got to see about how much they want for a short subscription).

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 17:49 | 1889223 tekhneek
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I tell you five time.

China is printing fiat to naked short the commodities exchanges in the U.S. while buying the real commodities hand over fist with their U.S. fiat reserves.

Eerbody knrow ris.

 

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 17:57 | 1889264 CTG_Sweden
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Article:


"Imports surged 28.7 percent year on year in October and the surplus of US$17 billion was well short of the US$24.9 billion forecast by economists."

 

Does anyone know the composition of the goods and services imported to China? How detailed breakdown figures are official?

If they are importing luxury cars and cosmetics that won´t help future growth. But if they are importing engineering software like NX you probably got more growth in pipeline. And probably even more if they at the same time are working on an even better competitor to NX (although I know that high-end engineering software has not been very profitable in the past). 

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 18:04 | 1889266 common_sense
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GOD, good news !!! bitchez...!!! still save...  so, only FED has money, BUT where??? only in TAX HAVEN places I think. May be they are planning to live in CAYMAN ISLANDS during all recession...

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 17:59 | 1889275 Haddock
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So where's the fuckin money?

(I want my ninty grand...)

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 21:00 | 1889835 chindit13
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Here's what a Hong Kong finance professor has to say:

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/china-news/chinese-tv-host-says-regime-n...

 

Elsewhere, if anyone wants to know what China's contracts with resource producers worldwide are worth, consider what has happened in Burma.  A $2 billion hydroelectric dam project (Myitsone) has been halted and the 20,000 imported laborers sent back home to China (they do not use local labor).  The dam was to generate power all of which was to be exported to China.  The Burmese Government has also announced that large scale gold mining operations will not have their licenses renewed next year, which (absent a Chinese stick save) will shut down Chinese SOE and private gold, silver and platinum group operations in Burma.  China also controls all copper mining in Burma, plus most mining of zinc, nickel, tin, chromate, molydenum, antimony, and rare earths.  Might these, too, be at risk?

The dam construction halt came as a result of ethnic Kachin and their military arm (Kachin Independence Army) targeting the dam as well as the horrendously polluting Chinese mining operations.  The Burmese government is now engaged in Chinese-funded military action against the KIA, now even using Chinese-supplied poison gas artillery shells.  The KIA activity has also forced the government---who fears uprisings by other ethnic groups who sit on the lion's share of Burma's natural resources---to initiate certain broad reforms within the junta-controlled nation.

Perhaps this will prove to be a blessing in disguise for China, as this situation may well be repeated in other nations where China has supposedly secured long term resource exploitation agreements.  If China's economy is indeed facing its own massive debt problems, they can hardly afford resources they will no longer need.

 

Sat, 11/19/2011 - 14:17 | 1894270 matrix2012
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I thought epoch is the very voice of the banned cult, balloon gung :D in some sense cia-sourced news may generate some higher credibility

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 21:15 | 1889867 halflink123
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I think most people who babble on about gold don't have the slightest clue what they're talking about. I have yet to hear a coherent argument for why gold should equal M3 or why platinum is not as good a monetary metal as gold.  Noone ever - ever talks about platinum for instance.

And I never said anything about how oil is PRICED (USD vs gold).  I said that oil "owners" cannot get it cheaper than oil importers, because oil is a commodity w/ one global price.  So it's inaccurate to say that since US has hijacked 95% of world's oil (which can't be right anyway b/c of Russia), China will have to pay more per barrel than U.S. Just not true b/c it's a commodity.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 23:07 | 1890121 mbtshoe
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Short crude oil. The world is swiming in oil as everything else. Its elevated price is just a scam. The probability of war is zero. Uncle Sam can´t go to war against Iran because both its flanks are insecure. The left flank goes to the Straits of Hormuz and if that is closed this means crude price $300 and Stalingrad for US forces in Iraq and other US vassal states in the gulf. As for the right flank that supply line goes through Pakistan. It´s shaky enough as it is.

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