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Sovereign Bond Yields - Haves And Have-Nots

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Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:47 | 1817398 Ancona
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Austerity, it's the new chic. Broke is now cool.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:58 | 1817445 trav7777
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people will have to find meaning beyond possessions?  WTF is the world coming to?  Personality will matter?

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:12 | 1817458 DormRoom
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Medium term EZ is doomed.  The North-South suffer from a variant of Dutch Disease.  Debt has not been eliminated, but tranferred to the core.   If the PIIGs get stronger, it's likely the core will deteriorate.  So instead of a PIIGs crisis, youi'll see a core crisis in the years ahead.  PIIGs or Germany must exit.  Or there must be a fiscal union, unless the EZ implodes in the years ahead. 

The financial timebomb was only extended by a few years, and it is still ticking.

 

And without an effective CDS hedge, I would assume core yields to continue rising until doomsday. dudh. dun dunh.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:47 | 1817400 depression
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Risk ON

Bill Gross just cannot catch a break this year.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:48 | 1817401 pendragon
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at what point do details become relevant to equity investors? we still don't know who's picking up the tab for this joke. presumably as soon as we do france will be downgraded.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:50 | 1817407 LawsofPhysics
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Or is it 1924, or is it 1929?  With the moral hazard now on steriods and everyone being told essentially there is no risk and no way to hedge (aside from physical) we are indeed trading without a net.    fucking awesome.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:50 | 1817410 PulauHantu29
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I'm glad they worked it out. I hate to see grown people fight.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:50 | 1817413 vegas
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Seriously, who the hell would lend money to the likes of Silvio B. & the clownish Italian Government?

It's a black hole, where you stand no chance of getting your money back?

I'd rather loan-shark lend to Gypsies who bet on EPL soccer.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:55 | 1817425 paulie
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Speculators who want to make a lot of money out of the interests.
Surprisingly Italy has the wealth to repay its debt that's why it is being attacked by speculators and that is why Spain, US and Japan are not.

Paulie

 

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:51 | 1817415 CClarity
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But but but . . . the ISDA says there is no credit event so all is well.  Until everyone figures out that the CDS hedges are useless but haven't "gone away".

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:53 | 1817416 GeneMarchbanks
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'But is it the "Bear Stearns" Moment that led to a 6 month rally before the collapse of Lehman or is it an "AIG" Moment, that barely lasted a day before renewed selling hit the market, or is it a "March 2009" Moment where we turned the corner and never looked back?'

None of those. It is the moment you realize concentrated risk is now such a force that you might as well preach it as gospel, until one day it proves false...

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:52 | 1817419 Zola
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Hey Tyler, the great BIGGS is on again railing against austerity...

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:52 | 1817420 Cassandra Syndrome
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Dollar Index about to breach 75

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:56 | 1817436 GeneMarchbanks
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Floor @ 74. Freefall from there would indicate the faeces & turbo fan situation.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:04 | 1817459 cowdiddly
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I can't believe no one is talking about this. below 74 be dragons. YIKES

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:07 | 1817490 Tsar Pointless
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Been watching DX-Y all morning.

Below 75 now, down 1.67% on the day.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:00 | 1817455 HelluvaEngineer
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Effectively taking QE3 off the table.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:04 | 1817475 GeneMarchbanks
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Or Qe3 launched already and we missed the starting gun. Nevermind, it would show up in the data... [sigh...] Anybody else getting really paranoid?

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:13 | 1817485 cowdiddly
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Me, all cash(and that sucks) this whole crap looks ready to revert and implode back to reality. Im tired of being the sucker short sheep that gets sheared can't bring myself to try it again so I guess Ill just get some popcorn. Yes Im a chicken shit but I will live to play another day.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:08 | 1817495 SheepDog-One
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Thats why I think this range is about at its upper level. All aboard for the equity bulls, lop off their horns again, then try to shear the shorts again next turn. Its all green money both ways.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:05 | 1817477 EL INDIO
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Shit man, I thought it was bottoming yesterday then we get this whopping jump in the Euro !

But you know what, I’m not disposing of my dollars yet not until Bernanke starts printing again.

You hear that Benny (and whoever is above you), you want the dollar to be weak without doing your job ?

Fuck you, you can’t squeeze me I’m not short the Euro, I don’t participate in your shit markets, I only got cash and Gold,

So again fuuuuuck you.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:53 | 1817423 Tsar Pointless
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I don't think many people remember the old adage:

The market can remain irrational longer than you can stay solvent.

It's not inconceivable, that the S&P 500 gets back to the 1400 area before dropping.

In other words, we're in 5 of B up of the A-B-C Supercycle correction that began in March 2009.

There's another old adage that comes to mind considering the above:

What goes up...

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:56 | 1817428 jcaz
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So Spain is OK, until Italy trips... Then watch Spanish bonds trip.... That's how contagion works.

It will end when someone figures out how to cashflow-positive out of this.... Oh wait, US GDP is up, we're gonna consumer spend our way out of this- that's the answer-  People of Greece, go out and load up on Nintendos!

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:54 | 1817430 qussl3
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What do we do when the EFSF yields hit 6.

Also, since im pretty sure the EFSF doesnt exist yet, why the hell does it have a yield?

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:54 | 1817431 s2man
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MarketWatch

Europe’s debt plan offers no bazooka

 

Where have we heard that before?

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:55 | 1817432 RobotTrader
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Anybody who loaded big at the lows "Made Their Year" in 3 weeks.

They can pretty much cash out and retire for the rest of the year, and maybe even next year.

50% gain in Morgan Stanley alone.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:00 | 1817451 Dumpster Fire
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Especially NFLX.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:09 | 1817503 SheepDog-One
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Awesome rear-view trading as usual there Robo.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:24 | 1817572 depression
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20/20

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:55 | 1817434 SkySavage
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The three logical moments:

To see but not "see";

To see as well as "see";

And to not see, while the market "sees".

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:57 | 1817442 Dumpster Fire
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My grandfather always said be a mortician or a barber.  Haircuts and death are both bullish apparently.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:01 | 1817464 Archimedes
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Just watched Jeff Macke say this rally is going higher and that Europe bought themselves a couple of years! Wow! Not so sure about that! And I like Macke!

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:05 | 1817478 Tsar Pointless
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See my comment above re. markets and irrationality.

Not unrealistic to see S&P go up to 1400-ish in the next month or so.

Not at all.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:12 | 1817514 Archimedes
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I agree the market is going higher I just doubt they bought a few years!

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:22 | 1817567 Tsar Pointless
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I think we all also doubted that the S&P would double from March 2009's low to this year's high.

We were wrong then.

Anything is possible in this world. Those who believe otherwise are delusional.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:02 | 1817465 walküre
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Merkel, Sarkozy and Trichet knocked on the banks doors at 4am and made an offer "they could not refuse".

Either you accept the 50% haircut or we will force you to accept it.

I see where this is going. Good thing I'm not a lender and didn't bother buying anyone's sovereign debt.

That's how this game is going to get rigged going forward.

If you're not yet on an island or have secured a safe and remote hideout, your chances are running out. Governments will stop at nothing to keep their Ponzi going. Today they're forcing the banks to take haircuts, tomorrow they will force the rest of the population to swallow massive cuts in the name of "austerity". While I agree that the banks need to be trimmed back, it does set an uncomfortable precedent.

Now they can leverage the EFSF multiple times. Call me old fashioned, but when you start leveraging debt vehicles like that the currency will get diluted multiple times as well. Gold will do very well no matter how the paper price is manipulated to save an illusion of "that almighty Dollar".

My cattle is looking good this morning. Food prices will go through the roof and I'm willing to bet the farm on that.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:17 | 1817543 LawsofPhysics
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Mine too.  Fucking moo.

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:37 | 1817626 Zola
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Relax, it is clear the PTB want a green day after they bailoutfest. This is to get latecomers like Robo to buy the high and the hype that all is well and the world has been saved by Merkozy again. In reality this may be the start of the haircuts on the bonds and while that is a positive step , the show is not over until everyone has left the theater...

Thu, 10/27/2011 - 14:39 | 1818137 DavidC
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"The EFSF yields closed at their highs so we assume the Chinese weren't jumping in yet".

Hmmm, would you?

DavidC

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