S&P Issues Statement On EFSF, Says "Almost Certain" European Governments Would Support CDO

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Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:21 | 1821214 Deadpool
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the raters have always been glorified weather men. it's a farce.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:50 | 1821318 slaughterer
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Does France have an inside man at S&P?  I do not understand how the USA is AA+ while France stays AAA. 

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Market will look at AAA long-term rating without reading the fine print: rally time. 

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 14:45 | 1821977 falak pema
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'cos France has 300 types of cheeses.....smile, and say "cheese"!

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:52 | 1821328 NotApplicable
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Farce? Do you have any idea how hard it is to maintain plausible deniability in the face of this disaster? Why, without them managing expectations the way they do, just think of the uncertainty that would displace the calm, yet irrational apathy we see today. They're doing God's work, I tell ya.  ;-)

 

Basically, they're saying "Governments, how the fuck do they work?"

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:21 | 1821218 jcaz
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So much for the objectivity of rating services-  they're now admitting themselves that they're just pimping the system.

Very nice.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:23 | 1821229 Boilermaker
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<golf clapping>

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:55 | 1821343 NotApplicable
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Well, since there's truly no such thing as objectivity, it's better that the facade crumble, no?

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:22 | 1821220 Boilermaker
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It's somewhat possible that maybe they will potentially agree to it!

RALLY ON!

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:22 | 1821222 tsx500
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BULLISH !

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:45 | 1821224 GeneMarchbanks
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Sarkozy will fuck this up. As a result of Berlusconi fucking up Italy. Then we'll see FrAA-nce.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:09 | 1821418 Market Efficien...
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Oh yeah, he already seemed pretty worn out after those long debates. Bu to be serious, you know, why it is spelled Fr-A-nce, even AA overrates them once the death spiral confronts the gap between the aspiration and the illusion of being a world power.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:22 | 1821225 fuu
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What did they find in those raided S&P offices?

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:05 | 1821398 gatorengineer
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I would guess coke residue and some slightly soiled hooker panties.....

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:05 | 1821399 gatorengineer
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I would guess coke residue and some slightly soiled hooker panties.....

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:22 | 1821226 LawsofPhysics
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Lower the rating on the Earth and just be done with it already.  Paper-pushing fucknuts.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:23 | 1821227 Sam Clemons
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Free world?

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:32 | 1821256 Schmuck Raker
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Not where I grocery shop.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:24 | 1821231 Deadpool
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bet France wishes De Gaul got their gold back from Nixon even more now.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:24 | 1821235 SheepDog-One
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Theyre now micromanaging so hard they had to release this 'news' just as the DOW was down -40...immediately back up to green again, job well done.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:26 | 1821238 vegas
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The only thing you can count on the French for is surrender; they have always been pretty good at it.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:29 | 1821245 Tsar Pointless
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You mean kinda like the majority of Americans have surrendered to their debt masters?

I guess we won the wars, but lost the battle.

Usually it's the other way around.

At least we're unique in that respect.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:38 | 1821280 vegas
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Nobody in the world can beat Amerikans when it comes to taking on debt they can't repay. Problem is, the world continues to lend the dolts the money. Go figure.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:47 | 1821307 LawsofPhysics
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Actually, many foreigners have stopped lending the U.S. money and stopped buying treasuries and bonds.  Problem is, Ben has a printing press.  Time to negociate with China for just how much the reserve currency is worth to them.  Call their bluff, they don't want it and why would they when oil-producing countries are already taking other currancies for oil anyway.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:28 | 1821242 Tortfeasor
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UPDATE: From this date forward, the rating of 'AAA' is no longer in use.  The highest rating given by any rating agency shall be 'AA+', and all other ratings shall be adjusted upwards accordingly.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:30 | 1821249 Schmuck Raker
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"In general, we expect the outlook on EFSF's issuer credit rating to reflect the outlook..."what could possibly go wrong?

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:30 | 1821250 gwar5
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No problemo. The TBTF can always force out the top guy at the agencies and get somebody who will get it right.  The NWO is at stake dontcha know.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:34 | 1821263 disabledvet
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This reminds of the scene in the movie Fletch where he's reporting on police corruption...the police come, throw him in jail, the chief of police comes down, points a gun at his head and Fletch says "thank God! The police!" the rest of the story is fairly straightforward.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:35 | 1821267 Amish Hacker
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"member governments would provide timely and sufficient extraordinary support"

These clowns are leaving the landing lights on for Amelia Earhart.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:36 | 1821271 oogs66
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so the Eurobonds wouldn't be AAA :D

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:37 | 1821272 lolmao500
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So they won't downgrade France tonight? Awwwwww.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:48 | 1821308 Belarus
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No, at best S + P hs said France won't be under review until end of year. 

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:37 | 1821273 Belarus
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"In our opinion, there is an "almost certain" likelihood that the EFSF's 'AAA' rated member governments would provide timely and sufficient extraordinary support to the EFSF if needed." 

So, they are saying Germany will go all in after witnessing the money-pit that Greece has been and will continue to be....just as Italy and Spain are joining the Greek ranks? 

At any rate, this is exactly why stocks will rally into the year-end. No one in the world believes that assets won't be saved at any and all costs...along with the EURO, etc. 

And intermidate and long-term they would be right, even if Germany and France leave the EURO, about assets being saved at any and all costs--there is no reason to ever fear real assets like silver, oil, agricultrual, and even banks for that matter. There is no reason to short anything anymore.....all collasping debts will merely be pushed up against with ongoing and endless central bank printing until objective is achieved (which eventually is runaway inflation impossible to stabilze without setting off the next great depression). Even a failed bond auction just means more money printing. 

It's no wonder why the QE trade has been well underway....because it doesn't matter when it happens again, it just simply will at some point. And that is all that matters when world-wide cash flows don't and can't support world-wide debts. China will continue easy money, the U.S., etc. depsite whatever clusterfuck happens in Europe. The only thing Europe might achieve is a better entry point into solid assets.


 


Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:56 | 1821346 reload
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I am almost certain I posted the cheque,

I am almost certain I will not come in your mouth.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:38 | 1821278 trampstamp
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Let's see what Moody's says. They may not see it this way.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:39 | 1821283 lolmao500
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That how you freaking protest. That's how you show who's a slave and who's not.

Veterans with AR15s protecting Occupy Phoenix

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BeH1nTqy14

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:39 | 1821288 Caviar Emptor
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Amidst our 'consumer renaissance': Whirlpool announces laying off 5,000, most since 08. 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-28/whirlpool-to-eliminate-5-000-jo...

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:42 | 1821290 Caviar Emptor
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Amidst austerity for the 99%, prosperity for the 1%:

 

Italian govenment buys 19 Maserati supercars despite austerity cuts

 

Italy may be in the midst of a savage austerity drive but that has not stopped defence ministry officials ordering a fleet of armoured Maseratis to ferry themselves around Rome.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8856149/Italian-goven...

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:01 | 1821376 Schmuck Raker
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That's Stimulus. And that's beneficial for your lawn.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:04 | 1821393 Market Efficien...
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Google pictures of Italian Lamborghini police cars. No, not kidding, seriously, they only want to make sure they capture escaping sports cars such as politicians in their government-leased Maserati.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:43 | 1821292 Manthong
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Likely probability of assumptions based on the possibility of projections regarding plans for future conditionalities and optimistic assessments.. for sure.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:49 | 1821314 Caviar Emptor
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I knew things were about to start changing fast, but this is ridiculous: 


It's a Girl! British royal succession rules to change

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/28/us-commonwealth-monarchy-idUST...

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 13:00 | 1821372 NotApplicable
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Once a Catholic heads the Church of England, I'd say that after nearly 500 years, the Counter-Reformation will be complete.

*goes for popcorn*

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:50 | 1821316 LawsofPhysics
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Well I don't think I would enter into a contract with anyone who was "almost certain" they would pay for my services.  Bye bye paper.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:50 | 1821317 machineh
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'As 62% of the €780 billion in guarantee commitments is from 'AAA' rated sovereigns, we expect that the EFSF can borrow up to €452 billion without putting downward pressure on its 'AAA' rating.'

Implicitly, S&P assumes that €452 billion of EFSF debt issuance has no effect on the AAA guarantors. Is that realistic?

This enormous volume of supply is likely to raise borrowing costs for all European sovereigns, including the AAA ones. Higher borrowing costs add to fiscal deficits and accelerate the rise in debt-to-GDP ratios.

How can S&P's static model ignore this rather direct dynamic linkage? Something is wrong with this picture!

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:50 | 1821319 Epicurus
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In case you haven't picked this up yet. Here's the link to an explanation on the EFSF (Q&A format).

http://www.efsf.europa.eu/attachments/faq_en.pdf

 

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:52 | 1821330 YesWeKahn
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They didn't say "outlook positive", it's pretty positive.

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:52 | 1821334 slewie the pi-rat
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case study in how ratings agencies and the banksters who (wink-wink) are subject to their ratings under (wink-wink) generally acceptepted accounting rules build CONFIDENCE in their wunnerful, wunnerful TBTF pyramides du papier

if someone from S&P were pitching this to me, i would think throughout the presentation:  even this doucebag wouldn't touch this festering mess of criminality and fraud with a 10-ft. pole! 

see you in oakland, BiCheZ!  goooooo raiderz!

 

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:55 | 1821345 slaughterer
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Every fucking dip will be bought from now till EUR/USD 1.50 Christmas. 

Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:56 | 1821349 Mr_Wonderful
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Fitch says acceptance of 50% haircuts on Greek debt would constitute default. Bloomberg reports

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