S&P Puts EFSF's Critical AAA Rating On Downgrade Review, Can Cut By Up To Two Notches

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Tue, 12/06/2011 - 09:47 | 1950514 Barry Freed
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I don't see how this can be perceived as anything but extremely bullish.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:06 | 1950564 Oh regional Indian
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It's in the name folks. It is actually the finaicial in-stability fund. Of course it's rating is shaky. Downward shaky. Look at who is guaranteeing it.

If you look at subtle moves worldwide, looks like we're setting up for a swift global bankruptcy.

The downgrades are flyign fast and furious now. Even here in India.




Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:13 | 1950604 Oh regional Indian
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Holy Heck, look at Spain. Wow! Thanks Hugo. And look at the complete opposite move in Portugal. That looks veeeeeery interesting.

Spain is the brute, metal, iron, heavy anchor that will drag the EU down. All this is just the chains rattling around, getting ready for the big tug.


Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:44 | 1950712 markmotive
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...and the reason why bailing out your own bonds isn't really a guarantee suddenly sinks in...

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:19 | 1950632 Hard1
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What is S&P doing?  We could lower the ratings...or we could affirm them.  They can do that all the time!!! why do they make a press statement about it now?

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 11:07 | 1950783 machineh
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We could affirm the 'AAA' ratings on EFSF, Bob ... BUT IT WOULD BE WRONG, THAT'S FOR SURE!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:16 | 1950619 SheepleLOVEched...
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SP: youse guys need to start printing, or were gonna lower your rating, meaning you have to pay more re bonds

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:05 | 1950581 Turd Ferguson
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No, this is definitely gold bearish. Look at the chart this morning!<sarc>

What a complete farce. BTFD.


Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:06 | 1950586 Clam McCain
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i just sold my gold to buy stocks - seems the only way to make money these days


Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:15 | 1950615 EscapeKey
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Enjoy your pennies. Avoid the steamroller.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 09:48 | 1950519 GeneMarchbanks
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S&P has still not taken a look at the UK. Anybody else find that curious?

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 09:53 | 1950530 hugovanderbubble
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and FITCH about FRANCE?



SHORT UK FINANCIALS (specially RBS and Lloyds)

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 09:57 | 1950549 gojam
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You think Fitch will retaliate ?

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:02 | 1950570 hugovanderbubble
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Fitch is a hidden french company.

THey will lose power with Dagong and European Rating Agency next 2012.

So they will try to crash the markets..." shake the tree"

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 09:58 | 1950551 GeneMarchbanks
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Go to:


Take a look at G10 Debt distribution charts.


Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:02 | 1950572 tiger7905
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Great Ann Barnhardt interview on MF Global


Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:04 | 1950575 Tommy Gun
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The rating agencies reckon that the Tories will continue with spending cuts to keep the markets happy and given the British people love a bit of misery and suffering (consider the weather, soccer team and public transport) they'll take it.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 09:58 | 1950554 pacdm
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No they just want to force the hand of the 15 countries to give Germany & France all the power over Europe its all one big con job.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:01 | 1950565 Mike2756
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They can print.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:17 | 1950621 EscapeKey
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Debt/GDP isn't TOO bad yet, but the deficit is completely out of control, so we'll get there soon enough. Thanks for that one, Brown. Just another of your genius moves as a politician.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 09:49 | 1950522 Tommy Gun
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 EFSF is soooo last summit (or was it the one before that?). Looking forward to the next cunning plan from the EZ's Brains Trust.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 09:52 | 1950526 orangedrinkandchips
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Tue, 12/06/2011 - 09:53 | 1950527 Cult_of_Reason
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This is very bullish. It means ECB will print next week. Another 500 Dow rally.

Any negative news from Europe means ECB will print.


Tue, 12/06/2011 - 09:52 | 1950529 kito
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its ok. All problems will be solved by merkozy this week.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 09:53 | 1950532 youngman
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Interesting....so the broke countries that GUARANTEE the EFSF...get the same rating.....wow..that was logical...the first logical thing in this market for a long time....I might sober up today on that news

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 09:54 | 1950533 MFL8240
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Can anyone figure out why gold is down again?  I am so fucking sick of this bullshit. When the US was downgraded gold went up, now with a 1000 point move in equities and phony goverment reports everyone wants equities?

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 09:58 | 1950553 The Count
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What, you think the markets have to do what your 'analysis' implies? If yes, you're better off putting your money into your mattress.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:05 | 1950577 Mike2756
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Another downside resolution to the wedge?

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:05 | 1950580 The Deleuzian
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Why complain unless you need to sell today!  Take advantage MFL...Gold is up 20% or so in 2011...If it starts going straight up into the $2000's and beyond...Then worry!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:06 | 1950538 Manthong
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I thought we had moved past that little EFSF issue and on to better and more substantial asset conjuring voodoo.

Kidding aside, could it be that there exists some infinitesimal fraction of a scintilla of a shred of a possibility that part of the system is legitimate?

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 09:55 | 1950539 Stoploss
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They should all be whacked two notches, just for starters.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 09:55 | 1950540 Cdad
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It's all going so well.  That Wall Street takes any of this seriously sends a signal of desperation that I never thought I would live to see.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:16 | 1950618 SheepDog-One
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The sickness of it all tells me whats coming next is worse than even what I imagined it would be. Horrible sudden collapse.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 09:55 | 1950543 Tsar Pointless
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Clown car go VROOOOM!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 09:56 | 1950544 The Count
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This prooves that the whole ESFM and Eurobond smoke and mirror projects are simply bogus. Who does Merkel and Sarkozy think they are fooling?



Tue, 12/06/2011 - 09:57 | 1950550 spanish inquisition
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Pretty sure we can eliminate AAA from the ratings system. Go AA+

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 11:31 | 1950853 Mauibrad
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Aussie is a legitimate AAA.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 09:58 | 1950552 LongSoupLine
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Futures stay green...


Must...not...let...Wall Street...bonus...rally...die.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:02 | 1950571 AngryGerman
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Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:01 | 1950563 sabra1
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i've seen the last page of the oldidorks playbook!


-kill shorts

-everyone long

-crash markets overnight

-internet crashes, blamed on terrorists

-no recourse for lost investments!

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:07 | 1950589 SheepDog-One
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My 401k! Noooooooo!! 'Please proceed to the nearest FEMA center' on the EAS broadcast.

Did everyone hear the news the Gubment doesnt want you to hear about retail sales? Highest increase was firearm sales.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:08 | 1950591 jay28elle
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- Obama declares national emergeny

- Elections called off

- Obama picks -n- chooses which of his enemies he wants to classify as terrorists. 

- Terrorists thrown in Gitmo (expanded to accomodate 10's of millions of former Hope'rs and dreamers, moderates, conservatives and libertarians)

- Obama and rest of The Machine take the assets of detainees


Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:01 | 1950566 lizzy36
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I miss October when market went straight up because EFSF was going to be infinity trillion. And we were all going to get a pony.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:05 | 1950582 LongSoupLine
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uhhh, I got mine.  Damn thing f'ed-up the UPS truck something fierce.  Now it just stands in yard and craps everywhere.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:02 | 1950569 mayhem_korner
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When are the rating agencies going to distinguish between "credit worthiness" and "ability to manufacturer and circulate fiat"?  Full faith and credit is now full faith and functioning print-button.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:14 | 1950609 SheepDog-One
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It really is sick, just 3 years ago everyone was dead set against this monetizing every debt out there, now theyre forcing the last holdouts into it or else...psychopaths are in charge.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:07 | 1950579 morisu
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Finnish Finance Minister Jutta Urpilainen just broke out from the independence day's celebrations and crashed the result of next summit already. Finland will not accept switching ESM to be workable with majority instead of requiring unanimous decision making nor the removal of private sector participancy... (source in Finnish).




So here we go again.

Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:09 | 1950593 AngryGerman
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wasn't she doing porn before? i know that face from somewhere...

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