S&P Strikes Back: Pulls Rating On $1.5 Billion CMBS Deal, Forces Goldman And Citi To Scrap Sale

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Thu, 07/28/2011 - 09:07 | 1500682 SilverTree
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Thu, 07/28/2011 - 09:08 | 1500686 101 years and c...
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blame DONK for this.  DONK made rating agencies legally accountable.  now they are telling the truth.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 09:12 | 1500698 101 years and c...
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oops, i think we should be thanking DONK for this, not blaming them.  this is good news.  the banks are being left holding the garbage they were able to unload on unsuspecting victims earlier, courtesy of the ratings companies.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 09:08 | 1500687 unwashedmass
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whoa....someone better discipline those peasants.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 09:09 | 1500689 karzai_luver
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NOW that they have shown their independence and integrity of course all ratings will be AAA!


shifty little guys these bankster cocksuckers.


Thu, 07/28/2011 - 09:10 | 1500692 swissinv
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just strange that we never hear something Moody's when it comes to the US... 

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 10:46 | 1501097 Bolweevil
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Moody's is on a global jihad while S&P are simply domestic terrorists. Watch how the next TSA controversy involves employees of both.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 09:10 | 1500694 Slartebartfast
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Yet another carefully engineered step forward in the coming manufactured crisis.  Soon, very soon, the Obama regime will be "forced" by the accelerating collapse of the US Treasury and financial markets to invoke Executive Decision Directive 51, set aside Congress and "save us", by setting aside the Constitution - forever.

Coming soon to a street corner near us all!  Hail Obama!  Heil Obama!  Heil Obama!!!

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 09:18 | 1500712 jelyfish
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I felt the same way about Bush.  Seems like both parties want the other shoe to drop when they are in charge.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 09:31 | 1500699 Mercury
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Goddamn, what's with the showboating all of the sudden? It's almost like these guys are advertising their willingness to be bribed.  Either that or they aren't afraid of being personally thretened.

It's great that S&P seem to be serving up steaming hot cups of reality but being that we don't have a robust, low barrier to entry and competitive debt rating industry, one can see how this might create certain types of problems in a stress situation where BIG THINGS are at stake...

The Wah!, my duopoly isn't playing ball! line coming from the government is pretty amusing though.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 09:14 | 1500701 youngman
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This is great...maybe we are starting to turn the corner to the good....go S&P.....tell the truth...

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 09:19 | 1500714 molecool
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Don't kid yourself - most likely a few stuffed envelopes weren't delivered on time.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 09:14 | 1500703 unwashedmass
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someone should discipline those peasants.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 09:17 | 1500707 molecool
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Thu, 07/28/2011 - 09:16 | 1500708 molecool
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I thought bankster bashing season isn't until August - S&P is getting an early start.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 09:25 | 1500726 Dr. Engali
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I feel sorry for poor Goldman. What are they going to sell to their clients now and short?

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 09:27 | 1500736 pocomotion
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One Mans' Treasure is another mans junk!

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 09:32 | 1500761 snowball777
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LOL...this is on par with a john's favorite hooker saying she has a headache tonight and doesn't need the money.


Thu, 07/28/2011 - 09:34 | 1500774 jimijon
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Great time to create a forensic accounting / financial / agency / lawfirm.

A bit of hedge money for some nice salaries, nice office and furniture and a few contacts and then boom ... 

profitable and needed and the timing is perfect.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 09:35 | 1500787 sunnydays
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If they were honest in the first place every single one of the MBS sold were have been rated Fs due to the FRAUD of all of them.  Seems S&P doesn't want to be on the hook for rating more FRAUD from Wall Street!  They are probably looking at all the lawsuits hitting the courts for the FRAUD MBS sold through MERS.


As long as Wall Street banks still use MERS then all MBS are Fraud!  Glad S&P are now starting to refuse the fraud. 

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 09:36 | 1500788 buzzsaw99
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but, but, the norway teachers and calpers are champing at the bit to buy that crap.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 09:38 | 1500798 r101958
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If we look behind the obvious we might find that this shows the true state of finance/economy.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 09:41 | 1500808 keepmydollar
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I love how they wait until the last minute not to rate them.  Beautiful.  Now to show their true independence they need to downgrade treasuries next week.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 09:43 | 1500820 the not so migh...
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100% certified crap

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 09:45 | 1500828 swissinv
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I hope the S&P HQ is not in Boston

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 09:54 | 1500866 I am a Man I am...
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wow, everyone's starting to get pissy with one another up at the top, i like it

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 09:55 | 1500870 dallasgringo
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TD's review of the BusinessWeek article isn't completely accurate. In the wake of the CMBS collapse in 2008, S&P and the other rating agencies rejiggered their ratings methodology with the S&P's rating changes deviated the most from their historical practices.  So S&P had previously rated the Goldman/Citi CMBS securitzation in question and their new rating model did not provide the amount of credit enhancements the AAA investors had expected/demanded. The investors pushed back, Goldman & Citi were forced to restructure the deal to improve credit enhancements (taking a significant hit on the bond economics for Goldman/Citi) and only then did S&P refuse to rate the newly restructred bond offering....most likely to avoid secondary criticizm from investors as a result of their ratings criteria. S&P is hardly the white knight in this bond offerinngs. Investors pushed back on Goldman/Citi and so they in turn put the screws to S&P. S&P had no answer to the restructured deal so they tabled their new ratings.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 10:29 | 1501012 pocomotion
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The investors could have been countries, foreign governments right???

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 10:48 | 1501106 rosiescenario
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Simply amazing....you are saying that the buyers actually did some homework and while so doing noticed that the emperor was buck naked?


This could be the end of Wall Street....the buyer actually looking at the reality of what they are being sold.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 10:58 | 1501130 dallasgringo
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The investors could be life companies, pension funds, foreign investors, you name it.


I work for a fund that buys CMBS bonds and while the AAA generally look at overal credit enhancements and the collateral at a high level, the guys that buy the BBB and below rated bonds really do their due dilligence since any real estate losses will hit them and their investment first. In commerical real estate its easier to do your dilligence because you have income producing properties and tenants and market trends that can be analyzed and quantified. In residential, you have John Doe who has a "Stated" income of $200K but can't provide you with a tax return. Its hard to model John losing his job and not being able to pay his mortgage.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 10:28 | 1500997 Smiddywesson
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I read this as another step in the typical development of any conspiracy.

At first, all the co-conspirators are the pillars of society and their prey don't even know they are being cheated.

Things start to go bad and blame is affixed on something, anything, but the true villains.

That only lasts so long, so the conspiracy enters the denial phase.

Things get worse and the co-conspirators start turning against one another.  This is what S&P is doing.  It means to survive this ordeal, and isn't going to take the fall for any of the other conspirators.

The end can't be far away if a corrupt organization like S&P is doing the right thing.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 10:35 | 1501046 Smiddywesson
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I aslo think there would be limited political blowback from raising the debt ceiling, so I don't read this as scare mongering to effect that change.  I think it is evidence of TPTB losing control of the situation.  That would mean parabolic gold prices will arrive earlier than thought.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 10:37 | 1501056 Chief KnocAHoma
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As a person in the real estate business I can tell you that this is another sign real estate lending is frozen. There are several developments in my area frozen waiting for funding, and the developers are sound.

The land for the development is debt free, the developers have cash to put into the deal, but the banks are locked worse than in 2009.

Banks appear to need all their cash to satisfy loan loss reserves, so none can go out the door.

Only a massive default and reorganization can clear the balance sheets of the toxic messes.

Stay strong!

I am The Chief

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 10:38 | 1501062 Downtoolong
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Which also means that Wall Street is also about to turn on the rating agency scapegoating dial to 10 as our kleptocratic betters start being very concerned about where this year's multi-million bonuses will come from.

Yep, get ready for a barrage of scandalous news articles questioning rating practices at S&P compared to Moodys, Fitch and others, all written and published through ostensibly independent media channels who coincidentally see a simultaneous surge in advertising expenditures by Wall Street powerhouses.    

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:03 | 1501149 dallasgringo
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Interesting fact is that the rating agencies ratings are protected as freedom of speech. No one can sue them for an incorrect rating. It is just their "opinion" and investors must do their own dilligence. Thing is, so many financial products are forced to rely on the rating agencies. Catch twenty two.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:04 | 1501150 glenlloyd
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I don't understand why people come back to the trough and buy these POS securities.

So since S&P won't rate it we assume it must be junk...which it prolly is.

Smells like securitization wants to go back to playing the same game it did before.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:17 | 1501180 JP McManus
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I'd have to read the entire securitization prospectus before I draw any conclusions, but a 20% credit enhancement requirement sounds nasty.  I wouldn't want to own the underlying paper.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:23 | 1501198 slewie the pi-rat
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speaking of "fighting back", in Thomas Mountain: Lies of the Libyan War

we have some morning medicine for the mainstream prop wash (Paste):

Only 110 dead in Benghazi? Wait a minute, we were told thousands had died there, ten thousand even. No, only 110 lost their lives including pro-government people.

No rapes, no African mercenaries, no helicopter gun ships or bombers, and only 110 ten deaths prior to the launch of the NATO bombing campaign, every reason was based on a lie.

Today according to the Libyan Red Crescent Society, over 1,100 civilians have been killed by NATO bombs including over 400 women and children. Over 6,000 Libyan civilians have been injured or wounded by the bombing, many very seriously. (EndPaste; emph. mine)

and morgan strong's summary in the tripoli post finishes with a slewie-like friendly pat on the back to the fuking shitforbrained Nannies @ the ICC, as they do the bidding of the EU powers and "keep the pressure on" the moQ (Paste):

The court warned that the arrest of Mr. Al Qathafi so that he could stand trial for war crimes was non-negotiable. No agreement that allowed Mr. Al Qathafi to live out his life in peace and quiet could cancel the obligation of countries like Britain and France to ensure that the ICC’s arrest warrant is executed.

The court’s warning is likely to reinforce Mr. Al Qathafi’s stubborn personality and his inclination to stick to his guns at whatever cost. That does not bode well for a resolution of the conflict any time soon.

In fact, it may well help to make the irony of the need for humanitarian help for Al Qathafi-held areas of Libya that result from the international community’s own actions a reality.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 11:42 | 1501249 illyia
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Amazing the disinterest. Had this happened 2.5 or (just can't imagine) 5 years ago - such an uproar. Today? Uh...

And, who the hell cares about these stupid, self-serving politicians!

Obama heil? Who cares? Bohner? Cry me a river. I do not care about these self interested people. They do not matter. I do not care if they live or die - actually, it would be nice if they would all vanish.

I do care about what they do and how it effects my country; but that's it. So far they ALL are acting like absurd, destructive, self-centered, ignorant fools. All the adults are home filling up their cellars with stores or leaving the country. The blow hards in DC are pissing into the wind - just like Rome.

Inmates are now in charge and they have their cheerleaders, but they are all in a place growing darker every day.

Fri, 07/29/2011 - 03:47 | 1503661 qing
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Thu, 08/18/2011 - 10:19 | 1572765 PulauHantu29
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I am so proud of S&P. They are geting their credibility back....getting their Five Star MoJo back finally!

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:48 | 1593652 karmete
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