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Spain Agrees To "Unconditonal" Bank Bailout

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Just out from Bloomberg:

  • SPAIN AGREES TO SEEK BANK BAILOUT, EL PAIS REPORTS
  • IMF WILL SUPERVISE SPAIN BANK RESCUE PLAN, EL PAIS SAYS

And the funniest:

  • SPAIN RESCUE DOESN'T CARRY ECONOMIC POLICY CONDITIONS: MUNDO

So Spain has shockingly agreed to a bank bailout without conditions. Has Germany? The chips will commence falling, where they may, shortly. In the meantime, we are days from finding out just what Germany thinks when it has to ratify (that's right, the ESM has still not been ratified by the one country which will fund the Spanish bailout) the direct rescue of the Spanish banks. Without conditions.

From El Pais:

All ready to rescue the fourth largest economy in the eurozone. Ministers of Economy and Finance of the euro area have concluded a few minutes of the meeting by teleconference 19.00 convened to decide on the future of Spain and, according to AFP, it was agreed that the Government seek the rescue, which will be IMF involvement. The agenda of the meeting, as previously reported in European officials left no doubt: "The approval of a statement that highlights Spain's intention to seek help and support of the Euro". In fact, according to these same community sources during the meeting that has lasted nearly three hours, and figures have been considered a rescue that could reach 100,000 million euros, an amount which is well above what had speculated. However, the stakes ensure that clean once and for all Spanish banks, first, to restore confidence in Spain after and bring stability to the entire euro area, immersed in its worst crisis since the launch the euro.

 

Spanish Economy Minister Luis de Guindos, has called on the media in the Ministry of Economy at 19.30, which indicates that it has come to some agreement. The purpose of it, detailing the department, is to explain "the results of the Eurogroup meeting" and "actions on the recapitalization of the Spanish financial system."

 

"The figure we are discussing now would be up to 100 000 million, but not yet closed "and is a cap, have stated the sources consulted by AFP. Reuters also agrees with these figures, more than double that manages the IMF, estimated at 40,000 million injection needed for Spanish banks . The managing director of this institution, France Christine Lagarde, is also participating in the teleconference.

 

The final amount, however, probably will not be known today and will be implemented once they know the results of two independent audits commissioned by the Spanish government. Thus, the figure will be decided "according to the results of needs analysis" of Spanish banks. In this respect, the Euro is expected to meet again in the near future to confirm the figure, while EU sources indicate that although the request for assistance is made this weekend, which is as safe, they add, the Government can wait a few days to provide a specific figure. At the end of the process, will the ECB and the European Commission have to quantify the aid will reach the Spanish banks.

 


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Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:21 | Link to Comment Mongo
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What a farce. As always with Europe

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:22 | Link to Comment rajat_bhatia
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lol,  glad i went long friday close

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:23 | Link to Comment slow_roast
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I'm sure glad I'm not short!  Lordy

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:26 | Link to Comment The Monkey
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Her, here. Glad also that 8'm not long treasuries. With the coming auction, the 30 year may get creamed.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:29 | Link to Comment strannick
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Yeehaw! Go Euro. Go gold. Check to you, Potus...

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:30 | Link to Comment redpill
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Jumped the shark? Oh no, they've done an epic Evel Knievel-esque leap in a rocket-powered jetski over a rabid gargantuan prehistoric-but-revived-Jurassic-Park-style Great White with a nuclear laserbeam afixed to its head.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 15:20 | Link to Comment Pure Evil
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Well, let's hope Odumbass doesn't get any brilliant ideas from this and start bailing out California, Illinois, New Jersey and New York, all with the hope of getting himself reelected.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 15:43 | Link to Comment Thomas
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What's with the 100,000 million Euros. How about billions? They not allowed?

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 17:13 | Link to Comment Poule Mouillee
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European billion is different from American billion....

    explanation/discussion

 

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:34 | Link to Comment strannick
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Didnt Potus say on Friday the recovery wasnt as skookum as he thought? Check to you, the Bernanke...

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:06 | Link to Comment Manthong
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That is noble of them..

And the least I can say in response is that I unconditionally agree to take a shower with Kate Upton tonight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34hWlRJHCqs

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 16:57 | Link to Comment Manthong
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Hmm.. for one thing, the bailout has as much of a chance of being unconditional as I do of showering with Kate tonight and anybody who does not like that video clip has some serious personal issues going  :)

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:54 | Link to Comment B-rock
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Watch: Gold won't do much. It seems only Bernanke explicitly mouthing "quantitative easing" can spike gold.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 16:10 | Link to Comment max2205
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ie, Spain's all good. No need for QE. Monday dump in bonds AND stocks

Talk about a big backfire.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:05 | Link to Comment magpie
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Yes, i'm still short. Just taking another raki to steady the nerves...

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:52 | Link to Comment doggings
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lol,  glad i went long friday close

um, did you not get the sub-text here, that only Spain has agreed to "an unconditional bailout" ? 

I think the market might.

 

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:23 | Link to Comment The Monkey
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Time for a rip!!!

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:28 | Link to Comment THX 1178
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How long will it last?

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:44 | Link to Comment wee-weed up
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Ha! Agreeing and doing are two entirely different things!

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:54 | Link to Comment The Monkey
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At least until the USD is oversold and the EUR is overbought. With Austrailian data still holding up pretty well, we're not close to prices I would consider shorting yet.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:40 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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time for an RIP indeed. "normally it doesn't last long." at least "dat's what da guy at da bar told me." Big slab of beef as they say.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:29 | Link to Comment gatorengineer
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People on this site must not be able to read.  It says nothing about the ESM, it says IMF....  Which means Ben and the US taxpayer, via the IMF.......  Ben would never put a condition on a bailout so that hangs nicely.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 17:41 | Link to Comment sablya
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Officials said there had been a heated debate over the International Monetary Fund's role in Spain's bank rescue, which Madrid wanted kept to a minimum. It will not provide any of the money.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/09/us-eurozone-idUSBRE8530RL20120609

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 22:51 | Link to Comment Buck Johnson
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This is going to end badly, No mention of German finance minister saying yes to it.  In fact they seem to try to not mention any dissenters at all.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 09:19 | Link to Comment BigDeuceLittleToilet
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Who will bailout farcebook?

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:21 | Link to Comment slow_roast
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WTF x 100,000,000,000

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:21 | Link to Comment slow_roast
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Who did they agree to the bailout with then, if not Germany???

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:44 | Link to Comment magpie
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Obviously agreed with their own share of the EFSF. Next question please.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:12 | Link to Comment Albertarocks
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Well we sure as heck know who it "wasn't with".  Canada!  The European Union has twice in the past two weeks asked Canada to help bail out Europe and twice Canada has told them to firstly, "get your own shit together":http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCABRE8561BG20120607

...and secondly, when Angela got angry about those refusals, Canada basically told her and her cronies to "go screw yourselves":http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/harpers-refusal-to-help-bai...

Very politely of course.

How ironic is it that the one country in the entire G-20 that has refused to pledge funding (actually the USA has not "pledged" either) is the one country who's banking system is considered by the IMF to be by far the most sound banking system in the world?  In the words of Fareed Zakaria when asked why Canada is so strong and its banking system so sound, "Because in Canada they use common sense".  But let there be no mistake, Canada does indeed have exposure and will be hurt to a certain extent if Europe implodes.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 15:37 | Link to Comment AvenoSativo
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Good for Canada!

Canada's prime minister has a degree in Economics, NOT in "law" (i.e. "how to argue and twist facts".)

 

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 16:35 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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Other than TD, Canadian banks are complete garbage, only reason they made it through the crash is because the Gov (Conservative in name only) moved 125bn of their junk off the books and into taxpayer funded entities (I.e. cmhc).

Anglo Irish was named one of the best banks in the world in the mid 2000's now it's gone - all the while it was purely toxic. People saying Canadian banks are solid are simply lying, whole only strength is being wholly backed by Canadian gov / taxpayers.

The amount of propaganda is hilarious though, Canada has one of the worst / most corrupt financial markets of any country in the g7, yet people talk about Canada as if it's one good one. US markets are infinitely better and that's saying something.

Buy on the TSX if you dare!

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 17:17 | Link to Comment Matt
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All the subprime mortgages in Canada are explicitly backed by the Federal Government via the CMHC. Once the housing bubble collapse really gets going, the banks will be mostly ok I think. I have not seen any analysis that shows the banks taking major loses.

They (OSFI) decided not to implement rules requiring borrowers to re-qualify for their mortgages when renewing, so even if you are underwater, you will not have to come up with the cash difference when renewing. As a result, if underwater, you can renew but you cannot walk away. This will end badly, but I don't see how so for the banks.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 17:40 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/next-domino-fall-canada

There's a few articles I pulled up to give a glimpse of what's really going on beneath the surface:

http://www.mortgagebrokernews.ca/news/breaking-news/sandp-puts-genworth-...

http://www.policyalternatives.ca/newsroom/updates/study-reveals-secret-c...

http://business.financialpost.com/2011/11/24/canadians-left-in-the-dark-...

^ The g&m does a nice job trying to polish a turd.

And a reference to some past sins from the worst bank in Canada:

http://business.financialpost.com/2010/08/10/subprime-suit-challenges-ci...

History will repeat itself, brace for impact!

Canada = Ireland circa 2007

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 18:22 | Link to Comment robertocarlos
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We can't walk away.  But we can run away and leave the car at the airport.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 00:57 | Link to Comment Albertarocks
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Oh.  Is that "the only reason they made it through the crash"?  lol

Obviously you don't like Canadian banks... fair enough.  So since they're truly in such horrible shape as you describe... and since they're "still" the soundest banks in the worlds whether you like them or not, I guess the entire world is much more worse off than anybody realized prior to the enlightenment you've shared with us.  I wouldn't go long any bank in the world personally, but since you're insisting that Canadian banks are shit, if you don't mind, I'd like to hear which banks you would recommend instead? 

 

(I'm dying' to hear this....)

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 12:57 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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'Obviously you don't like Canadian banks... fair enough.  So since they're truly in such horrible shape as you describe... and since they're "still" the soundest banks in the worlds whether you like them or not, I guess the entire world is much more worse off than anybody realized prior to the enlightenment you've shared with us."

You have to look at who's rating them as the most sound, up until the crash AIG was rated triple a by s&p, so don't believe everything you read.  

I don't want to get caught up in your strawman about what banks I'd recommend, but I'll throw one out there since I like them - Macquarie. 

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:30 | Link to Comment gatorengineer
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IMF = US Taxpayer and Japan, and to a lesser extent  Germany......  Hence no conditions, other than the bondholder getting subrogated to the IMF which can never collect anyway.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 16:58 | Link to Comment mjcOH1
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"Who did they agree to the bailout with then, if not Germany???"

Well Duh.....they've unconditionally agreed with themselves to take whatever good money Germany agrees to throw down the rathole (terms subject to negotiation, at least until the point where civil servent salaries may go unpaid - ie sometime after the banks fail).

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:21 | Link to Comment surf0766
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Who is paying this bailout? They are all broke. The can is just dust in the wind.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:26 | Link to Comment MeanReversion
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The best part is Spain is required to contribute 83 billion euros to the ESM.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:39 | Link to Comment Tirpitz
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Which will be booked as 'asset' to some off-balance institution. As usual.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 16:48 | Link to Comment Belarusian Bull
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I have a strong feeling, that with Spain the true printing will begin. Status quo will not give up Spain without a fight.

The show is getting interesting with each passing month. Love it.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:40 | Link to Comment Rich Bagg
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Bro, the Euro is fiat currency.  It can be printed out of thin air just as easily as USD.  Germany can bitch and complain all they want but in the end the ECB will print.  Count on it every time.  

 

 

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:07 | Link to Comment Albertarocks
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But each individual country "can't" print, and that's the entire problem.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:14 | Link to Comment Tirpitz
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Any why not? They break, and change, all other rules constantly as well. Weimar 2.0, we're coming...

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:23 | Link to Comment MeanReversion
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How are all those countries that have agreed to austerity measures going to feel?  Not happy I bet.

And what stupid timing by Spain, they will wait till June 20 to ask for aid?  After Greek elections?

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:24 | Link to Comment Wolferl
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In the end the Bundesverfassungsgericht (German supreme court) will decide about the ESM. In a few months, maybe more than a half year. Till then nobody will know what happens.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:38 | Link to Comment Fips_OnTheSpot
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the ruling will be published june, 19th already

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:05 | Link to Comment Wolferl
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Nope. The Bundestags didn´t even vote yet. So there are no proceeding at the Bundesverfassungsgericht. The Bundesverfassungsgericht just rules about some minor questions surrounding the ESM on June 19. , but not about the ESM itself. If the Bundestags ratifizes the ESM treaty, every citizen of Germany has the right to go to the BVerfG and challange the ESM. This will happen anyway. And if nobody else does it, i will.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:08 | Link to Comment magpie
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Henkel, is that you ?

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:24 | Link to Comment deagle44
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Where are you seeing this is without conditions?

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:24 | Link to Comment MeanReversion
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This is going to give Syriza a boost.  Watch out.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:25 | Link to Comment adyaner
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Unconditional loan?? what could possibly go wrong? maybe the southern germany colony will have issues with this...

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:29 | Link to Comment hugovanderbubble
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Germany and Netherlands will vote NO.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:37 | Link to Comment MeanReversion
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Many backbenchers in Germany's parliament were already unhappy with the ESM, this isn't going to help.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:06 | Link to Comment dearth vader
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Don't count on the Netherlands to vote NO. There's a two third majority of euromaniacs in the national parliament, at the moment. New elections, set for September 12th, can make a difference, but not beyond the 50% treshold in my estimation. People are so utterly clueless about the real issues.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:29 | Link to Comment hugovanderbubble
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Grupo Prisa = El país...=will be in DEFAULT ,well currently they are, entire group.

dont listen to that media, they are desperated to crash Right Axis government when Super Rodriguez Zapatero has destroyed any possibility of recovery last couple years.

Socialists = CANCER

the problem is Right Axis doesnt have the clue to take off,cos honestly its impossible with out debt haircuts...

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:42 | Link to Comment magpie
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Isn't Soros pitching in with his El Pais venture ? 

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:26 | Link to Comment fbrothers
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That's great, I was on pins and needles. Thank goodness Spain will take some money from anyone. Whew!!

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:27 | Link to Comment strangeglove
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Ill agree to a bailout too! Will this affect my SNAP card?

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:27 | Link to Comment Imminent Collapse
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No more reign in Spain.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:28 | Link to Comment russwinter
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Sort of sounds like the IMF has been sucked in for funding, translate the US. If the US is going on the line for European banking bailouts, what does that do to the Treasury market, and USD, let alone the political reaction? 

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:30 | Link to Comment MeanReversion
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The IMF can't lend without conditions.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:44 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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which is why "without conditions" is important...if true of course.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:58 | Link to Comment MeanReversion
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Looks like the IMF's role will be limited to supervision, they won't be doing the lending.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:03 | Link to Comment russwinter
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 I wonder because the American stooge posse, including Obama were out in force last week. Smells like they are getting involved to placate the Germans. 

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 17:43 | Link to Comment sablya
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/09/us-eurozone-idUSBRE8530RL20120609

 

Officials said there had been a heated debate over the International Monetary Fund's role in Spain's bank rescue, which Madrid wanted kept to a minimum. It will not provide any of the money.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 15:35 | Link to Comment icanhasbailout
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TANSTAAFL

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 17:22 | Link to Comment Matt
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Sure there is, it's called a "Dine and Dash". Alternatively, you can get someone else to pay for it. Either way, from the perspective of the one doing the eating, it is free.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 15:38 | Link to Comment FlyoverCountryS...
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Sure it can, if the election of THE MESSIAH, the "WON!" is in danger.

What? You didn't think Obama gave the Euros the key to the Treasury last week, when Summers was in Europe?

That EPIC-FAIL speech was to set up the Sheeple for another bailout of the Big Banks and Europe, both at the same time, along with a call for more "Stimulus" (pork for his voters).

After all, the Private Sector is doing just fine, it's GOVERNMENT that's really hurting!!

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:34 | Link to Comment DosZap
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, what does that do to the Treasury market, and USD, let alone the political reaction? 

Not one damn thing.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:29 | Link to Comment piceridu
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"The chips will commence falling, where they may, shortly. In the meantime, we are days from finding out just what Germany thinks when it has to ratify (that's right, the ESM has still not been ratified by the one country which will fund the Spanish bailout) a Spanish bank bailout. Without conditions."

      I'll believe it if by Monday morning, Ronaldo and Messi are wearing Bayern Munich jerseys...

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:29 | Link to Comment Dick Darlington
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100 bn unconditional TAX PAYER money for BANKS, TAX PAYERS from OTHER countries. Uh huh, EUSSR sure has gone turbo speed in it's way to collision with a brick wall.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:44 | Link to Comment Tirpitz
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But that's understandable. Banks are systemically relevant, after all, while tax payers are expendable.

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 00:51 | Link to Comment FreeNewEnergy
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I want my money back.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:30 | Link to Comment stant
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whew! we americans have 6 more months to piss our money away. or find some way to keep it

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:31 | Link to Comment sockratte
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unconditional? so what does this mean for greece election? ;-)

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:36 | Link to Comment Mongo
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It means "Fuck you Europe but thanks for the fish"

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:34 | Link to Comment strongband
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100,000 million sounds less than 100billion too. Dust off the saddle, bring out the unicorn - it's time to navigate the candy fields! Buy buy buy!

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:32 | Link to Comment Rich Bagg
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Prepare for massive short cover rally.  Dow up 500 on Monday.  LOL

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:43 | Link to Comment no life
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This is 100 bill just to bailout the spiderman towel banks.  Who knows how much it will take to bailout the sovereign black hole.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:46 | Link to Comment Tirpitz
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Actually Spain ran a primary surplus -- till the banks sunk her.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:33 | Link to Comment gatorengineer
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Tell that to the regions, ya gotta count it all.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:38 | Link to Comment russwinter
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Once Spain takes the money, then their obligation in the EFSF and ESM bail out mechanism would be taken over by others.   Those "others" are Italy, whose share rises from 19pc to 22pc.  France's share rises from 22pc to 25pc, and Germany's from 29pc to 33pc.

 

The smaller core countries like the Netherlands, Belgium, etc will pick up a little more as well.  By piling more on Italy, and Belgium, and for that matter France (should trigger the downgrade), the credibility of the guarantees given to EFSF bonds would collapse.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:47 | Link to Comment Tirpitz
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The dominoes keep tumbling...

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:38 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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100 billion strikes me as pretty big. Of course "the Greece story was supposed to be only 5." The devil is in the details. Or is it the Great Satan?

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:49 | Link to Comment Tirpitz
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Probably a hundred billion for now.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:39 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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No Pain......... No Spain

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:21 | Link to Comment Oldrepublic
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The Euro’s reign in Spain is mainly causing pain

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:39 | Link to Comment Ned Zeppelin
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If you're dumb enough to short this market based on so-called "news" you deserve to be hosed.  Only humans short, not the robot algos.  Every opportunity to short is a set up.  The market is broken, try to think like a criminal.  

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:50 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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I agree with this HOWEVER. "Once the shorts are washed out new shorting opportunities appear." It is however "the opposite of catching a falling knife" of course. I don't what that would actually. "Catching a Magic Carpet Ride" or something. Here's what it sounds like when you do it right:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtkP5gTX6Hc
from what i'm told "it's what looks like too."

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:40 | Link to Comment MiniCooper
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I heard that Spain is saying that it is 'agreeing' to a bailout without conditions and only after the bank audit has been completed - in other words sometime after the Greek election.

This is NOT a done deal yet.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:45 | Link to Comment Rich Bagg
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It's a done enough deal for the market to skyrocket on Monday.

 

 

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:01 | Link to Comment MeanReversion
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And now the bond vigilantes can turn to Italy.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:42 | Link to Comment JR
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Spanish and American banks need money to prop up their economies?  No! They need to repay their masters, the international banks that have pushed them into financing gambling advances using inflation and money from their citizens. The banking crisis is: “We haven’t been paid our money.” A banking crisis means the banks need the money.

International bankers try to create the impression that banks are the foundation of a nation’s economy; that the banks supply the fuel for growth, and when there’s a crisis the banks have to be saved. Bankers now say the crisis in Spain is not like Greece’s at all; in Spain it is a banking crisis “that can easily be solved”; in Greece it’s an economic crisis.  And, of course, the way you fix a banking crisis is to give the banks more money. Whose money is that? In general, it’s German and American and Spanish taxpayer’s money.

As for propaganda, a François Picard panel said earlier that when Spain asks for the bailout money the latest steps towards a banking union in Europe could finally gain traction.

A bank is a place where people are to keep their money and if they want they can borrow some money from the other depositors and then pay it back at the other end. But these central banks and international banks have created a worldwide network of gambling with other people’s money, namely the tax money of citizens. They are way beyond the definition of a bank; they are speculators and gamblers and because the politicians give them access to other people’s money there is just no end.

US banks’ derivative bets of $230 trillion (bets on interest rates comprise 81% of all their derivatives) are concentrated in five banks and are 15.3 times larger than the US GDP, says economist Paul Craig Roberts.

Says Roberts: “A failed political system that allows unregulated banks to place uncovered bets 15 times larger than the US economy is a system that is headed for catastrophic failure.

My guess is these Spanish banks, just like little banks everywhere, are extensions of the central banks’ gambling with other people’s money.

The Fed was sold on the basis that it is going to be some sort of watch dog over the banking system, keeping it level and even, but instead it is the instigator, the initiator, of banking fraud. And all the time they are not producing any product, they are simply playing with other people’s money.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:54 | Link to Comment Tirpitz
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They are way beyond the definition of a bank; they are speculators and gamblers...

Or, in short: money masters. Without any regard for the underlying economies nor the people that are to serve them.

The banking system has become entirely cancerous, so only a profound therapy will be able to cure us of this disease.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 16:37 | Link to Comment Olympia
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Loan sharks knew that if they took the dollars printing machines under their control they could suffocate the world ...they could initially suffocate USA and after taking the USA from the Americans, they could move and suffocate the whole world and take the countries from their people.

FED printed cheap money and loansharking multiplied this money in an unnatural way within the American economy boarders and they discarded them abroad so that they did not threaten USA. USA became the first state in the world with artificial “breathing”...

It cannot be possible but just in the USA for only the last year, more than one million houses were seized. It cannot be impossible but the New World has returned to tents and shelters ..has returned to the ages of Columbus. It cannot be possible that we allow to a few loan sharks looting the toils and the assets of people...

http://eamb-ydrohoos.blogspot.com/2012/01/global-debt-crisis.html

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Global Debt Crisis

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 18:05 | Link to Comment emersonreturn
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thank you, JR.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:43 | Link to Comment MiniCooper
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This is what Sky News is saying in the UK:

 

"Spain will ask for eurozone aid BUT NOTuntil it has a clearer picture of the amount of capital its banks need, according to reports."

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:48 | Link to Comment Market Man
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Why on the focus on Spain THIS WEEKEND?   Because next weekend Greece will essentially vote to leave the Euro.   This is all about building a firewall around Greece.    Will the firewall work?   Place your bets!

 

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:50 | Link to Comment Rich Bagg
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Bro, you can't think too far ahead.  This is a game of fear then resolution then fear then resolution.   Buy fear and sell resolution.  It's that simple.  I'm ringing the register on Monday.

 

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:41 | Link to Comment DosZap
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Why on the focus on Spain THIS WEEKEND?   Because next weekend Greece will essentially vote to leave the Euro.   This is all about building a firewall around Greece.    Will the firewall work?   Place your bets!

Very little said about Italy screaming we need a bailout, wonder why?

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:49 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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and I just had to sell all my calls and buy puts on 4 banks... goddamn... let's hope there comes a but in this story before monday.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:00 | Link to Comment Tirpitz
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I'm keeping an eye on copper. China, the largest importeur of the red metal, has started another cycle to ease interest rates, which may become a formidable catalyst to propel copper and the miners higher. Add the ongoing supply shortage, so once the dust from the euro zone settles a bit, we could be in for a nice rally.

On the other hand, gold miner charts look rather promising, too.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:50 | Link to Comment grove300
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And the winner is PIGGS!

Germam's veto, the winner is PIGG

IMF cannot get the money, the winner is PIG

Once the first traunch is due, the winner is.....

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:01 | Link to Comment Tirpitz
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No. The winner is -- the international banking corporations. And the loser is, again, the tax payer.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:57 | Link to Comment RoadKill
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I do not understand how this became such a focal point for the markets.

How is this a positive event?

What this tells us is that the Spanish banks were undercapitalized by at least E100bbn.  The EU/IMF is claiming that this will "once and for all settle the issue of Spanish banks and their bad debt" but what do you expect them to say?  Should they come out and admit that this just replaces the deposits that have fled to Switzerland and Germany?

And of course we knew the ESFS and ESM would lend Spain money.  That's what they are there for.  Did anyone think they wouldn't be used?  The question is ARE THEY SUFFICIENT and if not will Germany agree to even more.  All this bailout does is use up more of the capacity, leaving even less money IF Spain and/or Italy need to be taken out of the bond markets for 1-3 years.  And now that Spain has accepted bailout funds, I'm predicting this means they will be using these facillities for all future borrowing.  Has anyone used ESFS/ESM money and then successfully gone back to the bond markets to raise money?  After you get a taste of subsidized 3% German money, its hard to go back to paying 6%.

Go back to the short thesis.  Europe is in a depression - that hasn't changed.  China is slowing down dramatically because of Europe demand as well as its internal real estate bubble starting to pop.  US is slowing down because we conned ourselves into beliveing warm weather was real GDP growth and are now getting hit by the seasonal adjustments that helped us over the last 6 months.  Remember the seasonal adjustments will remain against us until September.  And the US is starting to feel the Euro depression and slow down in China/BRICS.  But the big hit is the fiscal cliff.  Despite what the pundits are calling for - we can't just extend EVERYTHING for one more year.  If the Tea Party allows itself to get steam rolled by the Neo Cons and gives up the mandatory spending cuts to save the millitary - then the party will be destroyed.  Its entire reason for existance is GONE.  As for the Bush tax cuts, their will probably be a comprimise - but some revenues will have to be raised if you are going to get even minor entitlement changes.  So their will be a hit to GDP of at least 1%-2%.

That takes us back to the Euro crisis.  I guess a German bailout of Spanish banks indicates Germany isn't walking away from its ESFS/ESM committments just yet.  I guess if you expected financial armageddon next week - you won't get it.  But I argued yesterday that this weekend will be all about China, and next week will be all about Greece.  I guess you can argue that the German bailout of Spain's banks without demanding spending cuts indicates they may be willing to be more leinant on Greece's terms.  I disagree.  If Germany was lending Spain $$ to pay for deficit spending I could see the rationale for demanding spending cuts.  BUT THEY AREN'T YET.  And Germany did tell Spain to F-OFF on their demand that Germany lend the money directly to the banks without recourse.  So Spain's Debt-To-GDP just increased 10%, giving more credance to the people warning that the official numbers are massively underreported due to the regions.

Wow - that was a long rant.  My point is - the IMF/ECB/Euro spin doctors somehow made this NON-ISSUE another opportunity to spin a meaningless agreement into the newest "Europe is Saved" moment - but itse ALL BULLSHIT.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:10 | Link to Comment Tirpitz
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Your extensive contribution deserves a longer reply, so forgive me for picking just the Spanish banking part.

Actually Spain's finances were among the best throughout the euro zone for years. But the reckless lending spree of the banks caused zillions in rotten mortgages, which now threaten the banking system. The natural way would be letting the healthy ones survive, and let those which over-extended themselves go to bankers' heaven (i.e. hell).

However in times of mandated moral hazards this just cannot be, so the country, which kept the nation's finances in near-stellar shape for years, will have to throw in the citicen's assets to save some rotten banks from a well-deserved end.

Any new creditors know this fact, and so instead of lending to the banks directly, they want to lend to the Spanish nation, mortgage the citizen, for aiding the international, tax-cheating banks. This is standard operating procedure and nothing short of a scandal, worldwide.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 15:17 | Link to Comment EB1
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Great post.

I'm befuddled how the Spain problem can be considered solved. Greece has taken how long ... and could still bring down the Euro. But Spain will be wrapped in a week?

Are we so sure the Spanish government is going to use taxpayer money to bail out their failed private banks and make the same mistake we did?

Not to mention, our economy is quite possibly heading to recession while long term employment prospects have never been worse in my lifetime. We have a whole bunch of 30 something's still living with their parents.

Stocks could rally, or Spain talks could break down Sunday and lead to a large sell off. I wouldn't bet on the former but I expect at least one more liquidation selling event before the sell off is said and done.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 20:59 | Link to Comment WolfePaq
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agreed with the others- great post.

the short answer is that fundamentals and reality are no longer part of the equation.

people have been saying since the 70's that debt and other issues will bring down the system- but the can keeps kicking.

remember, tha markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain liquid.

so... buy the fear dip and sell the solution pop- whether or not it is true does not matter if you want to make some chicken scratch, which is all we can hope to do in the globalist bankster system

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:04 | Link to Comment q99x2
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I think the money, which there has to be money, to fund taking care of the population within the NWO global jurisdiction must ultimately come from some place. I believe that the wealth is now coming out of the man behind the curtains pocketbook. We are about to see a new pattern emerge. Certainty about markets at this time seems unwise.

Printing currencies results in a time delay before the costs are distributed and absorbed into the population. Who is paying the bills in the meantime? Not the future that is for sure.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:28 | Link to Comment skepticCarl
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Banks create money, via a bookkeeping entry.  No one need go out and mine another ounce of gold.  What keeps banks from creating unlimited money?  Nothing, really, except the demand for that money.  They don't create any more than what is asked for from their loan applicants.  If they do, the value of the currency declines, and we see this as price inflation.  It's a balancing act, that Bernanke, and other central bankers, continually perform.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:02 | Link to Comment GernB
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I have a great idea... Let the banks fall, bail out the depositors.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:19 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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why would they do that?
the depositors would only put their money into another bank...
rinse, repeat...

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:08 | Link to Comment skepticCarl
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This is Geithner's fantasy come true.  Was it only a week or so ago that he was in Spain, to advise them on how to proceed?  He is now the Spanish Lafayette.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:14 | Link to Comment geotrader
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Great!  Now just sign here on the bottom line and provide a down payment of 30%.  

 

/sarc

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:15 | Link to Comment JackT
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We are in the age of the last bull fights

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:21 | Link to Comment Rich Bagg
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Why on earth would anyone bet that simply printing more money won't be done?  Of course it will.  Every single time it's needed.  The choice is print or systemic collapse.  Print print print.

 

 

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 15:04 | Link to Comment EB1
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Because they may not print in time to stop S&P from dropping below 1250 or worse.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:24 | Link to Comment razorthin
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Zokay, it's  just more fuel for the short term counter trend.  Traders delight.

Bearish MA cross-overs and plunging monthly oscillators are a bitch.  Daily death cross coming shortly.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:34 | Link to Comment skepticCarl
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Trader's delight indeed.  But the moving averages reflect what has happened, not what is to be.  The trend will be UP in the days, and weeks, ahead.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:54 | Link to Comment razorthin
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Actually, and uncannily, technical analysis tends to PRECEDE fundamental and news developments.  What is actually known by the markets can never be known by us.  We have only a delayed proxy.  Markets could never work for "them" if they were honest and free.  And because there are plenty of numbskulls who scoff at TA, they still do.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:25 | Link to Comment wrs1
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Actually Spain agreed to nothing, this article makes that much clear.  Nothing is getting done anytime soon, not before the Greek elections that is certain.

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/09/us-eurozone-idUSBRE8530RL20120609

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:33 | Link to Comment Fredd00
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Plain and simple: the huge net short position in Euro has to be squeezed so let the squeeze begin... the rest is meaningless and could be dammed

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:42 | Link to Comment sitenine
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Loss of sovereignty isn't considered a 'condition'?

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 15:09 | Link to Comment malek
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That's funny!

And I thought we were talking about a bailout without conditions by Spain. Instead El Pais tells us it's bailout without conditions towards Spain? Stupid me...

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 19:26 | Link to Comment Satan
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" no strings attached " is now part of the economic lexicon.

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