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Spain Forecasts 24.3% Unemployment In 2012, 1.7% GDP Contraction
Nothing good here for our Spanish readers: while speaking at a news conference, Deputy Prime Minister Soraya Saenz de Santamaria said that Spain's economy will contract by 1.7 percent this year as the government carries out drastic austerity measures. The forecast matched the International Monetary Fund's outlook for Spain's economy this year and was less optimistic than the outlooks from the country's central bank and from the European Commission. Earlier, Spain also defied the European Union, setting a 2012 deficit target at 5.8 percent of gross domestic product, a far softer goal than the 4.4 percent agreed with Brussels. More importantly, the country now anticipates that its unemployment rate will hit 24.3%. Frankly, while horrendous and worse even than in Greece (as it also implies a youth unemployment rate well into the 50%s), this is an overoptimistic number, because as noted before, Spain's unemployment soared from 21.5% to 23.3% in Q4 alone. When all is said and done, look for Spain's 2012 YE unemployment to be well over 25%. So as the economic deterioration across the PIIGS accelerates, at least the banks are "safe."
Spain's historical unemployment:
And other forecast highlights via Bloomberg, citing Spain's De Guindos:
- *SPAIN GROWTH MAY BE NEGATIVE UNTIL THIRD QUARTER INCLUDED
- *SPAIN HOUSEHOLD SPENDING TO DECLINE IN 2012, DE GUINDOS SAYS
- *SPAIN GOVERNMENT FORECASTS 24.3% UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IN 2012
- *SPAIN GOVERNMENT FORECASTS 24.3% UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IN 2012
- *SPAIN HOUSEHOLD SPENDING TO CONTRACT 4 PERCENT IN 2012
- *SPAIN 2012 SPENDING LIMIT SET AT EU118.6BLN
- *SPAIN 2012 SPENDING LIMIT DOWN 4.7% FROM 2011
As we said, nothing good.
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No worries....I hear they're going green.
Ahhh the Euro the gift that keeps on giving...
Just like in America, the banks are safe and the economy sucks.
In my next life, I wanna be born a bank.
John Maynard Keynes still fucking up peoples lives everywhere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk
Just wait....it's gonna kick in any day now - Paul Krugman
Keynes was wrong and his influence was bad but his modern "disciples" have bastardised his writings to such a degree that they bear absolutely no relation to what he wrote in the first place. If Keynes were to read the way Krugman interprets him today, he would physically strangulate him.
Keynes never said that governments should run gargantuan deficits in a growth phase and run even bigger deficits during a bust. He also never said that central banks should simply print unlimited sums of money all the time and finance those gargantuan deficits. All these interpretations are bastardisations of Keynes' original writings. The real culprits are quacks like Krugman. I sincerely hope that he is allowed to keep his Nobel prize but loses his shirt with all his life savings in US government bonds. That will be very fitting for someone of his intellect.
Ridiculous. Is your main line of thought "never talk bad about the dead?"
Keynes was mostly wrong in his younger years, and gov't didn't take his advice because they loved his intellect, but because he gave a (wrong) intellectual reason for allowing unlimited money printing. How convenient! Allegedly only for the short term, yeah, sure.
In his later life it seems Keynes realized some of his foolishness, but the damage already was done, and HE NEVER clearly and outspoken rescinded his previous ideas. That's why I will not grant him absolution.
How to easily detect any shill:
Check if their message essentially boils down to "do the easy thing now, the hard thing later."
This is never going to work on a larger scale.
And then you realize Krugman is on the same quack level as Keynes.
Re-read what I wrote instead of shouting.
Keynes recommended that governments run surpluses during booms. What would be the point of doing that? He could have simply said run deficits every year regardless of the business cycle.
Krugman is a distortion of Keynes. I am not defending Keynes. But to describe Keynes as a hyperinflationist like Krugman is nonsense.
This is all because wineries don't use cork anymore.
That helps explain why Portugal is fucked. ;-P
La gente esta muy loca...
WHAT! A RECESSION??@?@@!?!?!?@#?#@?!?!?@?!
Glad things are fine over here.
/S
yeah, looks like Spain needs a Bureau of Liars and Shills (BLS) like us. That way, it will really look like 8% unemployment and green shoots everywhere.
Remember how recession is keeping Greece from hitting their debt goals.
Hello Spain.
You know if you rearrange the letters it spells pains.
maybe we'll get green shootouts everywhere when rioters start throwing olives and tomatos
Throw in a little olive oil from Greece and you've got a lovely salad!
This is very bullish for AAPL.
Yes, all those unemployed will need something to occupy their time. Certainly won't be throwing rocks at police!
They can look up recipes for Iphone recipies on their Ipads.
what about Pachá & Cafe Delmar ....
They're in Ibiza... which is kinda like a tiny Cuba?
Bullish for tilted windmill farms?
Two words......solar panels......don't tell anyone.
+1
Gold and silver sliding again, heck, today's NFP number must be bad.
Oh, no NFP this Friday.
you mean "the safe banks are safe" otherwise known as "most favored nation bank" or the MFNB.
Over-promise, under-deliver
Worse: under-deliver even the under-promised..
Worse: say you tried your best and then sweep it all under the carpet
I´ve said for some that A: Spains is royally screwed and B: there will be armed conflict in Spain in in this decade.
On the bright side of things... If and when Spain reverses to mean unemployment rates, one must remeber that democratic Spain has never had less than 9,2% so even if twentysomething percent sounds horrible it´s just double the number they usually have.
They just made the arms law tougher.
I was there in the early 90's and it was 25% then. But at least it was cheap there then.
I spent the better part of my formative years in Spain during the 90s and have 99% of my family in the southern parts of the country. It was the golden era for anyone who had dollars to spend. My cousins tell me that unemployment is overstated and that a new underground economy is emerging to get around suffocating regulations and taxes. They estimate the true unemployment rate to be somewhere closer to 12-15% when taking into account the black market for trade services. Still not great but closer to historical averages.
It's hard to think back to how easy life was back then and see how badly they've mucked it up since.
Why do people need jobs anymore? China will make all of our products, governments will print all the cash we need to buy anything we want. All you need is to take your cash and invest in free services that don't actually make any money on real production, only advertising website scams and hyperlinks that redirect to mafia porn.
It's the ultimate dream. Getting rich without working a day. God, Spain needs to get on the program. They though people working was the answer, hahahha.
TODAY IS YELP DAY EVERYONE!!!!!
A new social media piece of shit goes public and makes a couple hundred bankers even richer, hoping to leave the stinking pile with bagholders, sorry "investors".
Hey! I work. Working hard growing crops in Farmville. Someday you will all come to me for make believe food and boy will all you pay.
Spanards should to go Germany where the jobs are.. oh yeah, they can't speak German.
A shared currency is a continent with different languages and cultures was a dumb idea.
Spain, Italy and Greece need to debase their currency.. but they can't .. they will have no jobs and be on their way to a dark age.
No jobs if they devalue? Millions of Northern Europeans are waiting for these countries to go back to being less expensive than staying at home. It's about $4.50 incl tax for a Pint in the UK or Germany, about $7.00 in Spain or Greece.
These countries are supposed to be cheap.
Ja, es ist nicht einfach Deutsch zu lernen wenn man Spanier ist.
A lot of the 24% arent even in the labor force. Spain's figures are not adjusted for participation, which we all know have dramatically fallen in the US and thus worldwide, so actually real unemployment is only 4.3%. Viva la espana.
*SPAIN FEB. JOBLESS CLAIMS RISE 112.3K FROM PREVIOUS MONTH
By Angeline Benoit
March 2 (Bloomberg) -- Registered unemployment in Spain,
where almost half of young people are out of work, rose more
than economists forecast in February as the economy tipped into
its second recession since 2009.
The number of people registering for jobless benefits
increased by 112,269 to 4.71 million, the Labor Ministry in
Madrid said in an e-mailed statement today, after rising the
most in three years in January. That compares with a median
estimate of 80,000 in a Bloomberg News survey of three analysts.
Spain, home to a third of the euro region’s unemployed,
fell back into a recession in the last quarter of 2011 and may
contract 1.5 percent this year as the government accelerates
spending cuts, the Bank of Spain estimates. The government,
elected in November on a pledge to create jobs, overhauled labor
rules last month to encourage hiring and reduce the 23.3 percent
unemployment rate, the highest in the European Union.
We are in the sweet spot.
The injections are fresh, the high is awesome.
The underlying fundamentals are deteriorating, but nobody cares.
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I start to believe that this October chart is correctly showing the February peak in EUR/USD, principal trend. That means, that after little correction along time axis to match the 1,35 peak exactly (I will do it later when I am more sure) , there should be an event ( or nothing special) that would trigger sharp EUR downslide in the END OF APRIL-early MAY ending in November/Early December 2012.
http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/comment/78027#comment-78027
What could that event (or general increasing weakness in EURo area) be?
Sapin's unemployment arte is a bit inflated because of the way the system works.
For example in a one worker family (spouse at home with the kids), if the worker loses their job then he/she will apply for unenployment, but so will the spouse, thereby artificially bumping the numer higher.
They say moderation in everything in life.
Except work. 5 days on... 2days off.
They use our bodies, minds - our energy - when we are the most healthiest, most active - most important functioning time of our lives and they beat us down with work.
Hey, im all for working and being active - thats not the problem here. I dont want to sit on a couch either before someone misses my point...
Blotto great point. When I think of pro war, pro bombing Iran folks I think to myself you want to defend this? You want to defend 60 hour weeks at jobs we hate in frustrating commutes to survive? Surely there must be room for happiness in life and before you think I'm a dumb hippy, one can't always be happy or content but we need some balance.
But what will the left lament about? That Spain has reduced subsidies to wind power.
What happened to Portugal..I thought they were next in line......Cutters...the Spanish are cutters
Qué lástima!
The pain in Spain falls mainly on the plain.
Unfortunately most Spaniards do live in mainland Spain. Ibiza is mostly inhabited by Germans and English though. Also: Ibiza is by no means anything like Cuba.