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Spain May Not Be Uganda, But Will America Soon Be Argentina?

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The last few days have seen some rather concerning central-planning actions by Argentina. Fresh from their nationalization of Spain's YPF, not only did they "forbid individuals from buying dollars for savings" issuing a statement allowing dollars to be used for "travel, mortgages, and to send family members traveling abroad if they they run out of money"; but now we hear of the forced action on Argentina's banks to lend out 5% of deposits at rates well below inflation estimates in the next six months (or else). As Reuters notes, "The move... marks an escalation in [President Christina Fernandez] war on private enterprise which may spread further." It should be noted just how far central banks are willing to go (strong-arming banks into subsidized loans to businesses) and it would absolutely not surprise us if this is precisely where the US is heading as command economies become the new normal globally.

 

Via Reuters:

NEW YORK, July 6 (Reuters Breakingviews) - Fresh from nationalizing YPF, President Cristina Fernandez now wants to strong-arm banks into subsidizing loans to businesses. The move shouldn't have too big an impact on bank profits, but it marks an escalation in her war on private enterprise which may spread further.

 

CONTEXT NEWS- The administration of Argentina's President Cristina Fernandez ordered banks on July 5 to lend companies 15 billion pesos ($3.3 billion) by the end of the year at rates well below private inflation estimates. The regulation would force the banks to lend 5 percent of the financial sector's $67.6 billion in private sector deposits.

 

- The central bank announced the new regulation following Fernandez's public statements that banks would have to lend cheaply to businesses to help bolster a flagging economy.

 

- The decision comes shortly after the government nationalized the country's largest oil company, YPF, claiming that it wasn't investing enough in producing oil.

 

- Latin America's third-largest economy grew 8.9 percent in 2011 but growth is slowing sharply due to sluggish global conditions and surging costs at home.

 

- Shares in financial institutions fell following the announcement. BBVA Banco Frances shares lost 4.9 percent, while Grupo Financiero Galicia's dropped 5.5 percent. These contributed to the country's MerVal index of leading stocks closing down 1.87 percent on July 5.

 

- Reuters: Argentina gives banks 6 months to grant new loans

 

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Fri, 07/06/2012 - 14:54 | 2592845 francis_sawyer
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Chicago style politics...

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 14:58 | 2592860 Clayton Bigsby
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They are so fucked.  I got a c-note sez they will move on the Falklands soon...

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:01 | 2592879 francis_sawyer
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Shit ~ that was one of the last remaining places to go to survive the 'Zombie Apocalypse'...

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:20 | 2592947 NewThor
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As long as I am still standing, America has a super hero. 

All it takes to bring down this growing Roman Empire 3rd Reich

is a good team, a great plan and a little divine intervention.

 

 

 

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:31 | 2592994 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
Fri, 07/06/2012 - 16:23 | 2593197 Buckaroo Banzai
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"We reward our friends, and punish our enemies" -- The Chicago Way

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 18:57 | 2593539 Rahm
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Cry Me A Fuckin' River

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 16:53 | 2593262 bank guy in Brussels
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That 'A-Team' of the classic TV show in the clip there, was 'wanted by the government' ...

Soon to be applicable to every genuine hero inside America

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 17:41 | 2593378 Clashfan
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Or maybe this is what's "soon to be applicable to every genuine hero inside America." Or maybe, ahem, "inside every genuine hero...", or maybe this isn't even what it seems? But it sure looks like Bloomberg reporter Sarah Eisen getting caught by the camera while she's playing with that huge, black strapon under her dress.

No foolin'. I wouldn't lie about something like this. If I am confused, please correct me. Another ZH poster on another thread said that Bloomberg or somebody said this was a microphone. Sorry, but it's not a microphone. No way.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xquxle_reporter-caught-off-guard-with-s...

Seriously, what is the mainstream, financial media doing? How does something like this happen? Any explanations? Seriously?

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 18:55 | 2593511 Clashfan
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Of course, every "conspiracy" needs an "official explanation." Here it is:

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/12173898-news-anchor-sara-eise...

First, the other reporter's mic was malfunctioning, not Sarah's. Second, do they really believe that readers would think that she would have a microphone between her legs or have to hike up her skirt to fix it? Third, the piece mentions nothing about a strapon, which this image clearly represents. Of course, the piece offers no image.

It's important why? Because it shows how blatantly the mm lies. Can you not see it? The chick got caught playing with a strapon, and the spin is utterly ridiculous.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 18:57 | 2593537 Jay Gould Esq.
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Argentina.

The exemplar of Banana Republic.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 18:51 | 2593521 Hi Ho Silver
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We are all swinging dicks now.

 

And true to the mainstream media credo, an important quote was conveniently left out of the report.  To paraphrase "The banks were happy to take a bail-out paid for by the people. Now they can return the favor."

 

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 17:19 | 2593310 The Gooch
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"For he is truely his brother's keeper" -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSmqxPuF-Xk

Divine intervention...

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 19:56 | 2593662 Peter Pan
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Wow, what a choice. On the one hand you have a central bank forcing banks to hand out cheap money to business and in the USA you have a government through its Federal Reserve handing out cheap money for banks to speculate with and buy government bonds.

Rest assured, that your currency is safe.

Unless you hold gold and silver you have no money.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 14:54 | 2592846 Martin W
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Maybe, they should ask UK for Malawines to come back?

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 16:16 | 2593177 Bullionaire
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That Doug Casey sure knows how to pick 'em!

http://www.thedailycrux.com/Article/31173/Argentina

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 14:54 | 2592847 putaipan
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get your pots and pans ready!

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 14:55 | 2592849 Oracle of Kypseli
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We are all socialists now.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:00 | 2592876 azzhatter
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I haven't given in yet and no plans to.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:01 | 2592878 THX 1178
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LAWL @ Socialist Wall St. taking everyone's money. Socialist private banker assholes.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 23:07 | 2594085 GoinFawr
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...too bad we don't seem to be any better at that than we were at 'capitalism', or we might be debt free by now

:/

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 14:57 | 2592852 Dr. Engali
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Coming to a facist country near you. It's already starting in California using the basturdization of eminent domain.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:25 | 2592970 El
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What I'd like to know is how California expects to pay for property they seize. It isn't like they just take it. They do have to pay for it. Seems to me the banks would love for California to take some of these foreclosures off their hands.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 18:51 | 2593526 taxpayer102
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@El

America for Sale: An Exclusive Excerpt from Matt Taibbi’s New Book on the Economic Meltdown
Our cash-strapped country is auctioning off its highways, ports and even parking meters, finding eager buyers...

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/exclusive-excerpt-america-on-s...

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 19:37 | 2593626 Broomer
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IOUs.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 17:38 | 2593370 Antifaschistische
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If Californians refuse to pick up their pitch forks with this latest "eminent domain" crap going on then they're toast.   Someone in that state, like in this country, needs to step forward and be a man.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 14:57 | 2592857 Dr. Richard Head
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All your moneys are belong to us.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 14:58 | 2592858 Fascist Dictator
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Che = Rascist Murderer

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:15 | 2592925 TWSceptic
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I don't get it why do you call him racist, he's not even white.

 

</sarc

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:37 | 2593030 W10321303
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I feel so so so sorry for those POOR POOR Bankers

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 23:10 | 2594089 GoinFawr
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Is that what happened to Trav77777?!

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 14:59 | 2592866 azzhatter
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Isn't that what NIRP does

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:02 | 2592884 francis_sawyer
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No ~ It's what Obummer does...

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 14:59 | 2592871 rsnoble
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Considering 2 of Argentina's former dictators are in court right now and facing spending the rest of their lives in jail.......maybe it wouldn't be so bad if that's what it takes to get some fucking justice around here instead of blowjobs and bonuses.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 16:39 | 2593222 NidStyles
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What you are talking about is not Justice, it is revenge. Worse it's revenge that promotes statism even more so than the people whom you would commit this revenge upon. That is part of the problem junior. 

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 00:10 | 2594096 GoinFawr
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 'statism'...  the ZH loonies' version of 'Godwin's Law'. Scratch anyone who uses that word to denigrate and underneath you'll find a hypocrite, or a bald-faced liar. Just try it once, you'll see.

Oh don't worry Nidsty, I know that there's not an ounce of irony in your use of the word because you want nothing but the best shure nough real live genuine skittle shitting unicorn anarcho capitalist absolutey nada zero never ever even a monad of government again because that putatively implies nothing but a guaranteed Rothbardian utopia for all eternity Amen (or at least it will be better than anything else that is/ever has been/ever will be possible, for me) as it MUST BE... I was talking about the other guys, you know, the real loopy ones.

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 15:47 | 2595213 ffart
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I read this in the voice of a drunken british taverngoer and it kindof put it into context.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:00 | 2592874 Dr. Engali
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Didn't they just recover from a hyperinflationary environment? Are they really going to travel down that road again already?

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:02 | 2592880 azzhatter
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It only effects the unwashed

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:06 | 2592897 catacl1sm
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Yep. Some people never learn.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:19 | 2592943 nonclaim
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On the good side of this crisis, the zombie trade agreement Mercosur is in deep coma with some vultures already descending to check if anything of value is there in the region.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:20 | 2592946 El
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This time it's different. /sarc

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:25 | 2592960 Bam_Man
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"We are only going to drop one zero this time."

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:25 | 2592971 debtor of last ...
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Yep. Debt cycles evolve.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:06 | 2592883 john_connor
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The Fed can do this by simply not raising the interest paid on excess reserves to follow short term rates rising (when they do).

Banks will forced to lend to keep up or otherwise go bankrupt OR engage in ridiculous CIO gambles to make up the difference

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:28 | 2592984 NewThor
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How does the old sayin go?

"You can force a elephant to give you a blowjob long before you can force a bank to lend."

The money is going to go into super RISK ON thingys. 

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 23:34 | 2594120 GoinFawr
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If this is true then Argentina must have imported a shitload of elephants some time ago.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:17 | 2592937 Tom Green Swedish
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If it turns us into Communists. I'll turn into Argentian.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:39 | 2592950 Bam_Man
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When you've dumbed the population down to a sufficiently low level, and enough bread & circuses are provided, the cronyism can come right out into the open. Argentina is clearly there and we (the US) will be very soon.

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 07:59 | 2594449 Umh
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So that's who is going to get the cheap loans. It sort of sounds like 'Country Wide".

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:21 | 2592953 monopoly
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Scary, very scary.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:35 | 2593021 W10321303
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Gold Bugs - Living in the Twilight ZONE

The first thing that I think of when I think of GOLD Bugs is the The French General Staff post-1918 - Build the Maginot Line to prevent the inevitable consequence of the last catastrophe. (Let' fight the last war!)

The underlying assumption of a GOLD Bug is that there will some 'new' future that will be possible post-catastrophe. It's the same delusional mind-set that invents other fantasies, like 'peak oil' or 'there is a finite supply of gold' (think Peru, Nevada, Indonesia, Boys and Girls) Actually the GOLD Bug mentality is a self-fulfilling vehicle for continued destrution, mayhem, MASS extinction.

I suggest that your future(?) is better summarized in the movie "The Day After" (Jason Robards Jr.'s best role besides "Once Upon A Time In The West") or perhaps you might consider reading HG Wells, "The Time Machine".

Maybe I'm wrong and you will somehow survive the consequences of having genetically inbred MORONS run the Big Board. All of the forest fires will have spared your secret shack in the woods. Silly deluded children, be sure to see Burgess Meredith in what is arguably the BEST episode of The TZ. (you know the one where he has really bad eyes and he loves reading books and he gets to go to the library for the very last time)

Just because you aren't (?)totally dumbed-down consumer/gadget geeks, you still need to GET OVER yourselves. You are still blind to just how effective the instituions of indoctrination are. The genetically inbred are at least capable of producing 'Skinneresque' conformity.

It's a Beautiful HOT and humid day in the neightborhood, Can we say Climate Change, Boys and Girls ....Can we say radiation and FREE-Radicals, Boys and Girls?

 

 

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:49 | 2593069 prole
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Can we say Have you sought the services of a good mental-health professional? Can we say you are nutty as a June-bug? Can we say you have taken leave of your sanity and launched yourself into Cloud Cuckoo?

Notwithstanding your sheeple like expertise in TV SHOWS and Movies (which most here on ZH have never seen nor heard of), what could possibly be your motive for bashing my precious, gold?

I had more to ask your zaniness, but I have to run and check make sure I still have my precious.....

-----------------------------------------

Wait let me add one more thing Stanley Rubrick: Why don't the Argentines stop worrying about dollars and just keep their wealth in Gold like Indians do? The Indian Rupee is a joke currency which is constantly declining, the Indians don't care because they don't hold any, they keep their wealth in the precious and RE.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 16:26 | 2593203 jumbo maverick
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You actually may want to watch that twilight episode with burgess merideth. Best episode ever. You may Learn something - one is none, two is one etc. watch it and then you will understand. In the right context it is not as crazy as it sounds

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 16:27 | 2593206 jumbo maverick
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And make sure you have a god damned can opener

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:50 | 2593090 Poetic injustice
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W1032, You look too well educated to be Chinese citizen like Ananonymous, are you from bank PR?

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 16:23 | 2593188 johny2
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many of us have travelled and seen much more than the movies made in Hollywood, so we are not so keen on storing our reserves in paper, however nicely designed.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:48 | 2593078 Poetic injustice
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Obama should learn from Russia, how to work with crowd:

http://redhotrussia.com/dmitry-medvedev-picture/

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 16:04 | 2593082 Joe A
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In the UK Barclays fiddled with interest rates on, if the rumour is right, behalf of the government. This was to the benefit of banks and other financial institutions but not so good for small businesses and home owener. Who knows how many businesses went belly up or how many people lost their homes. But when the government of Argentina forces the banks to help small businesses, it is called socialism.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 16:28 | 2593210 emersonreturn
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Joe A   "But when...Argentina forces..."

 

 forces?   

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 10:20 | 2594622 Bendromeda Strain
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Banks reporting a LIBOR rate that was too LOW made them a) look more creditworthy as judged by their peers, and b) Punked the buyers of interest rate swaps, of which most of the swaps players are indeed "big boys". Homeowners and small business, what? Who is filling your head with that, and leave it where you got it.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:51 | 2593092 mark7
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USA won't become Argentina unless you vote for president a bitchy botox MILF.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 16:02 | 2593119 El_Puerco
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The velocity of money (also calledvelocity of circulation) is the averagefrequency with which a unit of money is spent on new goods and services produced domestically in a specific period of time

 

 

V= nQ/M

where

V is the velocity for transactions counting towards national or domestic product.
nQ is nominal national or domestic product.

(Analogously with nT, given the classical dichotomy, nQ may be factored into a product P.Q.)

 

 

The Better Idea?..jajaja...... 

Saludos

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 16:08 | 2593154 Hannibal
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Still no "collapse",..... yawn!

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 16:44 | 2593242 NidStyles
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Uhh, the collapse is happening right now as wee speak. This collapse like all real collapses are slow to take place, and since this is the largest collapse to happen in the recorded history of civilization it will likely take several years if not decades.

 

...Read some history foo. :-)  

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 23:50 | 2594144 GoinFawr
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"The Great Conjunction is the Ehhhhnd of the Wooooorld, or the beginning." -Ogra

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 16:14 | 2593171 AchtungAffen
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Yeah, Crista is a bitch with the FX restrictions. Specially because Gold in Argentina is considered a foreign currency subject to these controls (and also because it's sold in USD).

But I can't help but smile when I see banks being forced to lose money to give to the people. You might say whatever you want, free market and bullshit. But can there be anything better than making the banks suffer? As if they were innocent...

Unless, the final backstop for banker suffering is a state sponsored bailout. That would be the end of Crista, though.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 16:48 | 2593253 NidStyles
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That makes you no better than the people you cry foul against. 

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 23:54 | 2594150 GoinFawr
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oh please. Thanks for the platitude, in celebration of it I'll be over nyer worshipping at the old porcelain altar.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 16:33 | 2593216 giggler123
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Argentina asked America for it's gold - who will America ask?

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 16:50 | 2593258 yogibear
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Obama, US senate and congress are already using the US constitution as toilet paper.

There are many Che" Guevara's in the background waiting for the right moment when the Bernanke, the Fed and Banksters force an Argentina event.

 

 

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 17:00 | 2593278 Gromit
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No America will not become Argentina.

Totally different market positioning.

 

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 17:09 | 2593288 DosZap
Fri, 07/06/2012 - 18:00 | 2593411 rustymason
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Mexico is like it is because it is filled with Mexicans. African and China are like they are because they are filled with Africans and Chinese, et cetera. Of course will be like Argentina/Brazil/Mexico soon.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 19:35 | 2593619 SmittyinLA
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Whatdoyamean SOON?

 

We're "beyond" Argentina, our government is doing things that the Argentine govt could never get away with.

 

"we're going to let in 10,20,30 Xmillion illegal aliens, and license them to appropriate your wallet for healthcare, rents, food, schooling"

Ya right like the Argentines would take that kind of cram down.  

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 20:44 | 2593763 Howard
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I'm living in Argentina right now. There is a big time black market for dollars right now, so if you come to visit bring plenty of cash.

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