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Stephanopoulos: "You Reject That It’s A Tax Increase? " Obama: "I Absolutely Reject That Notion"
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STEPHANOPOULOS: You were against the individual mandate…
OBAMA: Yes.
STEPHANOPOULOS: …during the campaign. Under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money, fining you if you don’t. How is that not a tax?
OBAMA: Well, hold on a second, George. Here — here’s what’s happening. You and I are both paying $900, on average — our families — in higher premiums because of uncompensated care. Now what I’ve said is that if you can’t afford health insurance, you certainly shouldn’t be punished for that. That’s just piling on. If, on the other hand, we’re giving tax credits, we’ve set up an exchange, you are now part of a big pool, we’ve driven down the costs, we’ve done everything we can and you actually can afford health insurance, but you’ve just decided, you know what, I want to take my chances. And then you get hit by a bus and you and I have to pay for the emergency room care, that’s…
STEPHANOPOULOS: That may be, but it’s still a tax increase.
OBAMA: No. That’s not true, George. The — for us to say that you’ve got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase. What it’s saying is, is that we’re not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore than the fact that right now everybody in America, just about, has to get auto insurance. Nobody considers that a tax increase. People say to themselves, that is a fair way to make sure that if you hit my car, that I’m not covering all the costs.
STEPHANOPOULOS: But it may be fair, it may be good public policy…
OBAMA: No, but — but, George, you — you can’t just make up that language and decide that that’s called a tax increase. Any…
STEPHANOPOULOS: Here’s the…
OBAMA: What — what — if I — if I say that right now your premiums are going to be going up by 5 or 8 or 10 percent next year and you say well, that’s not a tax increase; but, on the other hand, if I say that I don’t want to have to pay for you not carrying coverage even after I give you tax credits that make it affordable, then…
STEPHANOPOULOS: I — I don’t think I’m making it up. Merriam Webster’s Dictionary: Tax — “a charge, usually of money, imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes.”
OBAMA: George, the fact that you looked up Merriam’s Dictionary, the definition of tax increase, indicates to me that you’re stretching a little bit right now. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have gone to the dictionary to check on the definition. I mean what…
STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, no, but…
OBAMA: …what you’re saying is…
STEPHANOPOULOS: I wanted to check for myself. But your critics say it is a tax increase.
OBAMA: My critics say everything is a tax increase. My critics say that I’m taking over every sector of the economy. You know that. Look, we can have a legitimate debate about whether or not we’re going to have an individual mandate or not, but…
STEPHANOPOULOS: But you reject that it’s a tax increase?
OBAMA: I absolutely reject that notion.
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Boom time for rubber flip flop makers!
if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor
But when everybody goes to the doctor because they have a belly ake and because it's free anyway, he won't have time to see you.
I avoid the bastards like the plague.
umm, i guess i needed to quote it: "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor". Obama regurgitated that line a thousand times in 2009.
I suddenly find myself wishing my son were a doctor, not an accountant. Maybe then I could count on health care.
Why? Accountants will run the system. Sounds like you are perfectly positioned.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-will-supreme-court-gives-conservatives-a-consolation-prize/2012/06/28/gJQAWyhY9V_print.html
An ulterior motive????............maybe WE do get the last laugh afterall.
Republicans are going to have a field day all fall.
"Obama forced the largest tax increase in US history on the middle class and ignored the economoy. Oh an he lied, Lied, LIED about it over and over again. Just look at all these clips.
This was the worse outcome for the dems.
Oh, and the commerce clause is finally shut down.
yeah, but the taxing power is the new black now. "sure, we can't force you to buy a Chevy Volt. we just get to tax you if you don't"
Field day explaining why the are against Obamacare and for Romneycare?
"Field day explaining why the are against Obamacare and for Romneycare?"
No, that's too simple an explanation. Romneycare was a measure that dealt with the realities of federal law requiring the states to provide health care to the indigent. Romney was not in a position to change federal law. Obamacare is the logical procursor of that federal law after costs got out of control, but would not have be necessary if that unaffordable law was repealed or rewritten to reduce costs. So one bad piece of federal legislation begets a worse and likely unconstitutional federal law to paper it over.
A poster somewhere noted that, as a tax bill, Obamacare is still unconstitutional, even moreso, as it originated in the Senate where a tax bill is not allowed to originate. Can anyone provide any insight on this?
Living in Florida, I don't care how much the idiots in Massachussets impoverish themselves.
Living in Florida, I don't care how much the idiots in Massachusetts impoverish themselves.
Speaking of Florida the GOP Gov there just passed a law that in order to receive WELFARE you must be drug free, and take the test..........just like all Employed people do.
Mass exodus from Fla soon.
Smart move, lets see how long Obywan lets this stand.
Stephanopoulos may want to stay outside of drone range for a while. Like maybe on Mars, or something.
Too small of a target.
LOL. Like that matters. They won't mind if they have to take out a city block full of orphanages to get their target.
As long as he stays away from weddings, he's probably OK
And funerals, don't forget da funerals.
If Mars is really an option, I want to go there too. Or maybe Newt can reserve a place for me on the Moon; I've wanted to get there ever since reading "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress".
MMS a co. that OUTSOURCES services for countries health services, is up 6.06% today...
We are fucking geniuses!...
Is there any way to see which congress critters recently went long on these healthcare providers? After all, for them it's not insider trading...
a candidate was elected with reform as a major part of his platform
congress voted on it.
president signed it.
supreme court validated it.
60% of the public either approves of it or approves of it with "minor changes"
it's over. take your toys and go the fuck home
Go sit on your avatar.
And then he shelled out all the money to the banks...
Can't wait to see the first person go to jail bcause they cannot afford health insurance -- WINNING.
Next up, debtors prisons. should be a wonderful time from here on out.
Po folk and illegals ain't buying no insurance....ain't paying no tax penalty either. They'll go to the emergency room as usual and shitcan the bill they get in their P.O Box as usual. Taxes...?? Fuggitabout it ! They are off the grid.
Only on Planet D.C. does nonsense make sense.
SCOTUS validated it. Yeah, and they liked the Dred Scott decision too!
Therefore he can do whatever the fuck he wants and by definition it's the best of all possible worlds.
Q fuckin' E D
Take your democracy and go the fuck home.
if it hasn't been said already, FUCK OFF!
This "man" has been a liar from the beginning. Nothing surprises me from him.
He's just a man working to make a honest lobbyist bribe...
"From the beginning" is right. This guy is one giant, 50-year-old lie in a suit. Everything about him is a lie. Nobody knows where he was born or who is father REALLY was, and the only person who really knows those things for sure (his mother) is dead. Nobody knows who really raised him (mom? grandparents? Stepdad? creepy communist mentor?), nobody knows what his grades were, who paid for his education, what religion he really is (raised Muslim but "converted" to Christianity), nobody knows who is really behind him, nobody knows what he really thinks about anything (DOES HE actually think about anything?), nobody knows who he dated in high school or college, or even after college, nobody knows much about his relationship with convicted domestic terrorists other than he definitely HAS a relationship with convicted domestic terrorists. He says one thing, and does another... or does one thing and says another... nothing is ever his fault, he's never actually been responsible for anything, and anytime he has nominally been responsible for anything, there is no evidence that he actually produced anything of any value.
This guy was designed from day one to be the greatest liar ever because he came from nowhere, was parented by nobody, with no visible means of support, and never did anything.
Every generation has their potential "anti-Christ".....we are living through ours.
dupe
Hey are you calling me a dupe? :->
seriously, now I know why ignorance is bliss. I swear most people that don't have a clue to what is a happening seem happier...should have been a lying thieving politician.
he rejects the notion that its "just" a tax increase, because it is the LARGEST tax increase ever... gotta be more accurate.
A. Obama lied.
B. Obama misled.
C. Obama didn't know what was in it.
D. Obama was golfing.
E. Obama is a puppet with someone else's hand up his ass working his mouth.
I'm curious MS. C who you think the hand belongs to.
That's easy, the Banking Oligarchs.
How about "All of the above".
He's up to hos 200th golf game since he was president. More than any president ever... Only in America?
Darwinism rules!!! . . . don't get hit by a bus . . .
Oligarchy rules !
Its not a tax , it more like a tip.
As in "Just the tip, I promise."
Fuck you Obama. I shouldn't need to carry auto insurance either. In 18 years I have paid over $35k towards auto insurance and used exactly $0 towards claims. I shouldn't have to subsidize the millions of drivers who can't control a car. They in fact shouldn't be allowed to drive because they can't handle the responsibility.
Just like how I am forced to pay a higher rate for insurance after having 0 accidents in 18 years than my wife who has had 4 accidents in 6 years, just becuase the insurance industry says so.
Pay $4200 a year towards heath insurance and use about $200 a year, when I get a sinus infection. I went to the ER once and got a $1800 bill, which insurance knocked down to $600 with $60 paid by me. So I am still subsidizing the idiot welfare whores who go to the hospital for a hangnail.
But yeah, taking my money and spreading it around is your philosophy you Kenyan communist fuck.
Hey now! He has no proof that he was born in Kenya either!
pods
Perhaps @adr was simply pointing out that Obama Jr. inherited his nationality from his father, who was Kenyan. It doesn't necessarily mean our president was born there. John McCain, RINO from Arizona, is an American but was born in Panama. Likewise, O Jr. can be considered Kenyan because his father was. Ergo not a natural born citizen. Unless his father was really Frank Marshall Davis, who was an American citizen.
English motherfucker, do you speak it? By the way, car insurance is a scam too and another product of state monopolies that favor big biz.
Hey the Supreme Court is famous for strange rulings. Heck they even think corporations are people.
Not surprisingly this ruling is a boon for corporations, also known as people. Explains everything.
Plus it was the Hertiage Foundations plan anyway.
Yes, corporations are people, too, and if they don't buy health insurance, they'll be subject to a penalty...........or a tax.....or whatever you call it.
Maybe a donation?
"Now what I’ve said is that if you can’t afford health insurance, you certainly shouldn’t be punished for that. That’s just piling on."
Meanwhile the gooberment "piles on" drivers that can't afford auto insurance all the time. Idiot.
I love how Obama says we [Stephy and Obama] pay $900 for health insurance. Great, I pay $460 a month with no maternity coverage and that a $110 increase from two years ago for the same exact policy.
Hey Teabaggers: ROFL!
The trouble with making up stuff (Obama being Kenyan, US being a high-tax country, govt always being evil) is that you rapidly lose relevance. Enjoy your obscurity.
Just wait a bit and see how relevant that post will still be when the SHTF.
It's true that all the Social Security collecting Tea Partiers are in for a rude awakening if things fall apart.
Heh.
Those Acorn useful idiots are going to pay bigtime.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWn2FAzxCng&feature=related
roberts 'voted' the way he did because he knows this will give the republicans the election. Ooooor there's no difference anymore.
This is the deal - the SCOTUS saying Obamacare is legal merely accelerates the collapse of the U.S. Federal entitlement system. It was going to happen anyway, the law of exponentials and all that, but this decision merely increases the exponent on runaway healthcare spending. For those of us, like me, who hate our current Fascist corporate-government union, this decision actually makes me happy because it will all collapse that much sooner.
From Mitt Romney's website .... http://www.mittromney.com/issues/courts-constitution
For crist sake break that mold. This guy is more like Eric Honiker.
OK, I'll bite, what's the difference in this and having to get car insurance (it's required where I live), and I've never heard anyone call having to get car insurance a tax. I have health insurance, and I pay about a $100 a month, same as car. I am 100% against forcing people to do anything, so am against this but trying to figure out why this is the end of the world.
Driving is a choice, thus the insurance is a choice. I don't like this foot in the door where the government tells me what I must buy. The template is now installed,the precedent set, it will be repeated.
Between the commerce clause (which was the banner which everyone thought would fly over Obamacare) and this new SCOTUS decision which says that the government can make you buy something because that = a tax, it’s hard to identify what the government can't make you do now.
The car insurance analogy is bullshit because Obamacare isn’t insurance. Insurance is protection against unforeseen, expensive events. Your car insurance doesn’t cover things like oil changes, tire rotation and general maintenance and it doesn't guarantee low rates for bad drivers. Obamacare does.
The better analogy is your cable company...except that service is mandatory. Expect to buy ever more expensive packages of stuff you don't need or want.
And just as all kinds of hassles and expenses now fall under the umbrella of "security" watch for everything else under the sun to fall under the "health" umbrella (free birth control for law school students is just the beginning).
If an individual cannot afford car insurance, they can chose not to drive for a while and avoid paying the penalty. If they cannot afford health insurance, do they stop living? Will the sole provider of a family go to jail when they chose housing, feeding, and clothing their family over paying the tax? Wake the fuck up.
Let me guess, you don't have any problems with debtors prisons either? How stupid are you?
The issue is responsibility. Don't have any, then you don't get anything.
You rack up $10k in credit cards knowing you can't pay, yes there should be sever punishment beyond the slap on the wrist, no credit card for 5 years bullshit. You know what appens to serial credit abusers? They get sent more credit cards by more companies.
If you can't afford health insurance, every hospital in the nation is required to treat you if you show up, regardless of your ability to pay. It says this on the wall of every hospital I have even been to. The state will cover the cost. Health insurance is irrelevent for serious medical conditions.
This was done so any random person having a heart attack or serious condition will not die on the street. Not so every low class scumbag can go to the ER for a headache. The costs associated with treating every cold in the ghetto in an emergency room has caused a situation where a serious condition may not be treated in time because the triage room is taken up by someone with a sinus infection.
FAIL. And what if the person who is having the heart attack made poor health choices? Seems like the heart attack may be the appropriate consequence. Wake the fuck up, what percentage of "random people" have heart attacks. I'd argue that the science clearly shows that the vast majority of those having heart attacks have made some poor health choices.
Moreover, you have now contradicted yourself, if "treating every cold in the ghetto" is the fucking problem, how will this help that situation?
Did you read my post you fucking wanker? I said I was against it. And how many people that own cars choose not to drive when they don't pay for insurance? We are not talking about the responsible people here that you are talking about, nice simplistic scenario though. People were required to have car insurance because they were driving anyway and getting in wrecks causing the other person's insurance provider to pay for it. What fucking fairy tale world are you living in? Who fucking pays then? I do because my premium goes up for the irresponsible fucks who can't afford to pay.
And if you can't afford a family maybe you shouldn't have one to begin with.
I'm an anarchist, so I don't think any form of tax should be enforceable or jailable.
I would bitch slap you if you were next to me right now for not minding your fucking manners.
And it's "choose" not "chose" you mental midget. If you want to fight I will bury you. Your rock beckons.
All too often here in S.E. Florida, people get car insurance, get a car and register it, then cancel the car insurance. Both my wife and I have had unfortunate introductions (accidents) to such types. One wasn't even in the country legally. I wonder if such tricks will be allowed for Obamacare?
car insurance and health insurance is even worse than a tax in the way that if you do not use it, you get absolutely nothing for your money. It is in effect absolute theft, as if I stole your wallet and took $500 out. I will just call it an insurance payment, and therefore not a crime.
At least with a tax, you can sort of make the case you get something out of it. Paying $1800 a year towards car insurance is just wasted, and if you do use it your premium will increase to the point that you will be paying for the covered repairs anyway.
Insurance has and alway will be a con to steal money from the responsible to reward the irresponsible, while enriching those who take and disperse the money.
Imagine your bank account if you put all the money paid towards insurance over 10 years that you didn't use. I pay over $750 a month just to different insurances. God, I should be making claims every month. Maybe I should burn down my house.
You know, for all the bright people that frequent ZH, what is it that you all don't understand the fact that you're paying for everyone now in an unsustainable, wildly overpriced health care system that is totally gamed? Will this totally stop the game? No. Will it start to level the playing field? Yes. Read the bill. That is all.
I'm looking... it might actually be cheaper to drop medical coverage and pay the tax. You won't be denied treatment, and if you choose to re-start your health coverage you cannot be penalized for pre-existing conditions.
Any opinions on this?
My opinion is that the U.S. at large will very quickly become California. Yearly budget crisis, tax revenues will "unexpectedly" come up short with regards to spending, Living costs will grind ever higher for the ever smaller percentage of the public that is productive. Certain favored groups will be excluded from the austerity. New and improved plans to raise taxes on the wealthy (except not the really wealthy like Buffett), etc.
Unlike California, the US can just borrow or print more money. Balancing the budget - if we had one - is not an issue, unfortunately. A crappy system like Obamacare would only be more bearable if all the politicians and all their cronies were forced into it along with common folks. No waivers, no special treatment. File that thought under "misery enjoys company".
<yawn>
Moving from fascism to socialism is not the answer. Nevermind moving from fascism to more fascism.
You bought silver at $50 per ounce. You might want to wash
A pretty good nutshell version here- http://www.reddit.com/tb/vbkfm
Umm, I read the bill, the entire bill. What is amazing is that half of the bill deals with things that aren't even related to health care, like student loans.
The bill also explicitly says that there will be death panels. Well a governing authority that will accept or deny treatment based on need. The creation of a new government office to oversee Obamacare is in the bill. Staffed with representatives of the medical and insurance industry. A doctor and an insurance co representative will debate the cost and payment reimbursement of cases presented.
So yes, you will need to fill out form A-2c to inform the Department of Medical Authority of your intention to get treatment for strep throat. While you are waitin for the answer, the infection has spread which causes you to need to fill out form F-2g to authorize tratement of a serious life threatening infection.
Sorry, but patient 10345c-J1a has now died waiting for DMA treatement approval.
What is in the bill is a beurocratic nightmare designed to siphon trillions out of the economy and put it into the hands of washington politicians, corporate hospitals, and insurance companies.
IT IN NO WAY WAS WRITTEN TO HELP ANY COMMON CITIZEN.
So yes, you will need to fill out form A-2c to inform the Department of Medical Authority of your intention to get treatment for strep throat. While you are waitin for the answer, the infection has spread which causes you to need to fill out form F-2g to authorize tratement of a serious life threatening infection.
Don't be stupid. You're acting like it matters whether you have to wait for an answer from government rather than the insurance company.
It doesn't. They'll both fuck you over and leave you to die.
"Death panels" have existed for decades, but so far, all their workings have been SECRET. Making the proceedings PUBLIC doesn't really change anything at all.
as defined by Oligarchy Reaganomics...its a bill of no rights only slave obligation. The true balance is between statism and Oligarchy despotism, and its not easy to find. Free individual society is pipe dream like free markets and Atlas shrugged. Atlas shrugged? Ask Hercules, in his eleventh labour! Even legends talk to us!
It's only a tax on low to middle income people. People that are cover by a corp. or employee funded insurance will pay less.
Exactly. Leftard "compassion".
sounds suspiciously like "turning the other cheek" to me. Bible belt USA is puritan and not other cheeked!
There's nothing "left" going on here. If the health-insurance companies were government-owned, you might have a point. But they're private for-profit businesses.
This is straight-up legislated fascism.
Agree. But the DNC pod people are always the ones jumping up and down with glee when this shit gets passed, to the person.
That may be, I don't find most of that stuff entertaining, so I don't pay much attention to government teevee shows.
I don't see anything "left" about the DNC, either. They just have a different set of financial interests to represent. This whole deal was just set up for lawyers and insurance companies. Same old. A few years back, it was wars in the Mid-East for the oil companies.
People who are now covered by a corporate funded insurance plan or who pay part of their premiums will likely get dumped into the government system. It's cheaper for business to pay a fine than to pay for employee health plans. Also, employees will pay taxes on the value of the plans they have.
It's not right or left, it's money.
Just my drunk ramblings after a few frosty cold ones this afternoon........don't any of you worry. The power elite know we can't afford this. So Romney get's elected, gets it overturned and they keep control for another 4 years. Or Obama wins and they keep control another 4 years. Either way, you're safe. LMAO.
If it's not a tax (which is always politically unpopular but legally paletable) then it's the government forcing you to buy something (which is a frightening new development in terms of the individual's relationship to the state).
It's instructive that Obama was totally cool with the later even though the former was the easier road.
solidarity; the greeks called it democracy.
It's definitely a tax on the Middle Class. My premiums soared after Obamacare passed and I pay for my health insurance out of my own pocket (yes, some of us still pay for our won way through life). My insurer said, "It's to pay for Obamacare."
It's cost shifting in its worst form.
"Hecho in Washington, D.C."
Agreed. For four years, my health care has been thhrough Kaiser (a HMO), per a stand-alone policy/membership.
My premiums have increased >20% per year in the last four years.
We've had two 19% increases with Anthem Blue Cross in the last four years despite increasing the deductible to $5,000, no claims outside of routine annual visits. Explanation: Affordable Care Act.
I've been bitching about mandatory auto insurance for ages. Being forced into that risk pool makes me subsidize all sorts of crazy shit on the road that gets people killed.
@Bill - screenshot for posterity - no doubt Romney will change that soon ...
Obama you lying piece of shit. Now we are forced to vote for Romney, we have no choice.
Sure you do, don't vote. Disconnect. Support the system no longer, it doesn't support you.
I've lost enough liberties already, another 4 years is not a luxury I can afford.
Yeah cause Romney is against the NDAA, patriot act, and gun control, right?? Right??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWDJEc92d38
Get a clue man. When you have a choice between the lesser of two evils, choose no evil. I still vote to at least respect those before me who have died for the right to do so, but don't fall prey to the two party idiocy.
Don't vote. That's a choice.
The problem with that is, you might as well go ahead and vote for BO.
I agree both parties are corrupt, but this time I gotta hold my nose and vote R.
and you Ron Paul voters, I like him also but, he isn't going to win. This time its more important... to get this BO removed from the WH. Think about it.
Participating in a false dichotomy is worse than not participating.
Promoting adversaries makes for a craptacular selection process. Frenemies 4ever!
You DO have a choice. None of the above. Fuck these motherfuckers. Going to force us to do business with the medical priesthood and the pharma vampires? Fuck you, we won't register our fucking cars. We won't pay our property tax.
It is in your best interests to stop eating their fake food, taking the meds, getting their CAT scans and xrays. If you microwave anything you eat, goddamn stop it. It's slow suicide. It invites cancer growth. Distilled or purified water only, or buy a top of the line filter. No gluten. Invest now in high quality supplements before they outlaw them.
There are other parties.
You bought silver at $50 per ounce. Was that the other parties reccomendation?
t-mos can defend himself of course, but this stalky, trolly, stuff is tiresome and off topic. When I come to fight club, I wanna see a good fight. Do that, or don't do it.
Write in a different name. THAT'S your choice.
Beginning in 2014, those who do not comply with the mandate must make a “[s]hared responsibility payment” to the Fed- eral Government. §5000A(b)(1). The Act provides that this “penalty” will be paid to the Internal Revenue Service with an individual’s tax- es, and “shall be assessed and collected in the same manner” as tax penalties. §§5000A(c), (g)(1).
OBAMA SHOULD READ HIS OWN SC DECISION. It is a tax.
And every cent that goes into the IRS goes into the IMF and the U.N.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/whoownsu.html
LOL Change is hard, yeah going from a two story house to tent in a FEMA camp is quite an adjustment to say the least
Ah, you are lucky to have a tent in the FEMA camp. All we have is a hole in the gound with a bit of toilet paper stretched over it!
OK, I have uninsured/underinsured motorist coverage on my automobile insurance. I was rear ended by a car traveling 60 mph while at a virtual stop on a congested freeway. Because I was heading to a company function I was compelled to report it as a Workman's Comp claim. That's when the problems started. Had I been allowed to use my own insurance, the complications associated with the collision would not have been denied by the government's physician and my living nightmare would've ended long ago.
Having the government regulation shroud to hide behind, every paperpusher points to the other clown in the line of positioning for some eventual "payout" that leaves the injured party in purgatory. The only beneficiaries in this system are attorneys and government lackies. And it's getting increasingly difficult to tell the difference anymore.
Heaven help us.
Too bad that you elected to disclose that you were on your way to a work-related f(n).
My election to report was about as free to choose as the one I'll be facing in November. The company chose for me.
You forgot the vampire Doctors and insurance companies in your complaint.
My wife was in just such an accident.
The cost for treatment here in the US was nearly $200k.
PRIVATE treatment in the UK(outside the NHS) was $25k
(same op,Harley Street surgeon,private hospital).
Insurance company would not pay for the UK treatment.
Great to be in the club.Not so nice to be the victim.
Just call it a donation and tell everyone that America's are the most giving people in the world. Then let everyone cross our borders and share in it!
There was Pyrrhus, there is now Obama.
Impeach John Roberts!
you can't impeach a Wasp !
Clinton?
he had a double burger with monica and hillary! That's no crime!
The 'p' in wasp is for Protestant. I thought he was Catholic. Stop using racist epithets that don't even fit.
well three quarter wasp is better than black and no quarterback, to twirl your racy racist radish sauce.
The Republicans should pass a bill mandating that everyone buy a new TV or Windows 8 or a new car and say that it is in the public interest to boost consumption.
This ratfuck motherfucker. This fucking marxist globalist illegal alien banker tool ratfuck bastard shitbird fuck. This goddamn arrogant poverty pimp race baiting manchurian candidate of a president is nothing more than the closer for the NWO pirates, masquerading as a liberal so the cluless jellyfish people will go along with it, thinking their interests are being served.
If they reinstall this cokehead cock swallower for a second term, you can rest assured they'll try to go for our semi-autos.
in your runaway ire and fire you mix up Oligarchy globalism; product of capitalist pax americana gone financial and viral; with marxism. You are mixing wine and olive oil. And it don't mix. So change your ideology and language. As you insult three thousand years of logic. The Oligarchs come from house of Atreus. The commies come from house of Priam. Choose, but dont mix Achilles with Hector! And Pericles/Thucydides with Socrates! Alexander with Arsitotle.
BTW ; the "monkey" of Italy has scored ! Balotelli 1 and Uber-alles Germany 0!
PS : Balotelli 2 uber-alles Germany 0 ! Forza Italia.
The trophy you should be having is for sounding most stupidest of all the speaking that is happening hear. How big is the belly you are having? The guns you are having worries about are they the same guns the president who is Obama you were having bad talking about him taking two years ago? The people who are making monies from you stupids are the ones who are asking you to pay more monies for bullets than you ever were having to pay as much monies before. People who are selling guns make the stupids be having fearing of the president who is obama so they can be taking more of your monies. You are really a silly fat man.
The problem is that this decision may actually be the worst possible outcome, worse than if SCOTUS had simply upheld the whole thing as constitutional under the Commerce Clause. Roberts has just twisted and contorted our Constitution into an unrecognizable mass solely for the purpose of preserving a foregone conclusion, but the route he took to do so has now opened the floodgates for the federal government to define who knows how many new kinds of undreamt of "fees" and "penalties" to be "taxes" and thus constitutional - a politician's dream! What politico doesn't appreciate the enormous revenue windfall potential of today's decision?? We have just stepped off the top of one hell of a slippery slope in this country thanks to this ruling.
"What, you didn't invest to your plan's full extent in your 401k this year? Well then, the amount you ddin't invest will now be deemed a penalty for not investing in America's recovery and thus tax penalty event. Then we'll charge you that plus a 30% 'failure to fully invest in America' tax penalty on top of it. You didn't contribute to charity this year? We'll have to penalize you the remainder of the full extent of your allowable charitable deduction as a tax penalty plus 10%."
Yet on the other hand, the decision does place limits on the commerce clause (good) and through Robert's constructon, "fees" and "penalties" are classified as taxes, it seems it would require an act of Congress to authorize those as taxes, so perhaps it's now arguable that regulators can no longer impose "fees" or "penaties" directly upon the population (also good) and politicians would have to codify in an appropriations bill and be held directly responsible for the current "fees & penalties" madness. Maybe the EPA finally gets screwed....
The magnitude of this decision has not even started to be understood or appreciated.
Its a fiat tribute to the Bernake god
Reset. Time to dissolve the country. If we are not paying for the parasitic sh_ts, all three branches of government want American citizens dead . F_ck them.
Wouldn't it be a very good idea if all US citizens simply stopped buying health insurance?
Bull F'n Shit Obabma!
Medicare surtaxes: Here's where wealthier Americans will feel the effects of Obamacare. As of Jan. 1, 2013, a 3.8 percent surtax will be levied against surplus investments reported by the following groups: single filers reporting $200,000; married couples reporting $250,000; and married couples filing separately reporting $125,000.
In addition to the investment surtax, high-earning households will see their Medicare tax spike by 0.9 percent on their earned income, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. The tax will apply to individuals earning more than $200,000 and married couples filing jointly who make more than $250,000. It goes into effect Jan. 1, 2013.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/what-obamas-affordable-care-act-will-cost-consumers-2012-6#ixzz1z7I4Upu7
The car insurance and health insurance examples are false and simplistic comparisons. Is the human body a car? Can the "health" industry claim they can repair the human body as well as a top auto shop can restore a car? Answer: No, because +90% of the time they use poisonous products in the medicine itself. Is healthcare as simple as swapping out an alternator or doing body work as in the case of a collision? That's not even going into all the scams that are resident in medicine nowadays to make a buck by keeping people sick. That's why there are all those commercials on TV where lawyers are cleaning up from healthcare litigation AFTER people received treatment. Absolutely ridiculous and sophomoric comparisons. And that's not even going into the costs of auto restoration vs. medical care. No surprise coming from leftards.
You can choose not to drive, thus no auto insurance. No choice here if I understand it right.
Canada has universal healthcare, everyone pays, everyone waits!
Cc
Mr Chambers...Mr Chambers Dont Get on that Health Care Plan..
ITS ITS ITS.... A TAX INCREASE.... LOL
http://youtu.be/NIufLRpJYnI
Cheech and Chong are smarter than BO.
Did you see Cheech on Jeopardy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=W2H8IOzWAuo
I listened to the entire interview ... and it was very dissatisfying. Obama is an exceptional con-artist. He misdirected better than anyone I have ever seen. Not one of George's questions were truly answered. Obama would refuse to answer direct questions and instead push his propaganda. He would try to appear to answer a question by answering something completely unrelated or playing to gullibility of fools to make some completely obvious unrelated statement or some statement that indicated he is "above" answering the questions that people want to hear. He is too important or involved in bigger issues to answer the questions people want answered. (maybe that is why he has played over 100 rounds of golf during his tenure ... it is more important than the needs of the people and this country)
What a total slime ball.
How did people fall for this con-man?
This is now taught as "leadership" in the US - and probably everywhere else. Seriously; I've taken the classes.
"Leader" is now more or less synonymous with "manipulator."
i think someone paid off the supreme court.
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