Stocks 'Volumelessly' Soar But Credit Tells A Different Tale

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Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:07 | 1964317 kito
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....the more things change, the more they stay the same.........

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:10 | 1964325 Irish66
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how many times this year, have we hit 1255 and fallen back?

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:20 | 1964363 walküre
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we're in a closed loop and have officially entered the Japanese style deflation

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:26 | 1964391 kito
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my point was more low volume equity ramp up diverging from falling credit.....................

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:32 | 1964416 walküre
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I got that. You were also using one of my fav. lines

Today was pre-programmed to rally NO MATTER what the announcements were. Clearly no straight forward thinking carbon based INVESTOR would buy the S&P with both hands simply because 26 Euro nations agreed to a treaty that has yet to pass their respective parliaments.

Let 'em have at it. Redemptions will come soon enough.


Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:26 | 1964392 LawsofPhysics
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I'd actually like to see that data.

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:17 | 1964349 JPM Hater001
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I just found this old magazine from 2043 where it talks about how after Ron Paul was elected to a second term he was actually able to eliminate the Fed and all the records in the audit showed how the few was buying up equities via backdoors and how only the savvy at Zerohedge properly noted that credit markets showed the true, though even this was still manipulated, condition of the bankiong system.

Oh cool.  There is an add on page 44 for a zeropoint energy generator converter for gas cars.  "If you want to drive your dads oldsmobile we can still make it happen.  RIP GM."


Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:32 | 1964419 Western
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Now that's a utopian future I can look forward to. Except it won't happen because the world is too poor and we failed to provide proper financing to the banks.

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:16 | 1964351 Corn1945
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The market actually is very resilient. It simply will not crack. We have an entire continent (world's largest economy) at the brink and it is only 17% or so from all-time record highs. 17% off the largest spending orgy and economic bubble in history. Only 17% off!!!!

The Euro "solution" was an agreement to agree later and that was enough to rocket it higher. They clearly have no plan but that doesn't seem to matter.

That's the very definition of resilient.

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:18 | 1964353 JPM Hater001
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I thought Rod Blegoiovich was.

Now I'm confused.

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 21:11 | 1965031 WonderDawg
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I think what he meant to say was, after unprecedented central bank liquidity injections, purchases of trillions of dollars of toxic "assets", unprecedented economic "stimulus", the market is STILL 17% below its highs, real unemployment is STILL (depending on whose numbers you believe) hovering between 16%-22%, and and the economy is STILL slipping back into depression.

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:24 | 1964382 alien-IQ
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I can think of many words to describe what this market has been doing. "Resilient" is NOT one of those words.

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 19:32 | 1964777 NotApplicable
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I think he means "inflated."

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 18:15 | 1964569 J 457
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17% off all-time highs.  Yea, it doesn't quite add up.  Here's the problem, there are those (like me) that relaize this is all a sham, but continue to lose money every week.  Inevitably, I think the bears will prevail and have their day in the sun, but until then one has to seriously ponder if its time to go bullish. 

For example, as I understood S&P reported they would give serious consideration to multi-country/bank downgrades IF there was not a "solution" resulting from this latest summit.  I don't see any solution, yet the DOW jumps almost 200 pts.  How is that?



Fri, 12/09/2011 - 18:42 | 1964662 saints51
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I agree with everything you are saying. I will say that the Fed is definitly adding cookies(bullish) to the jar(market).

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 18:46 | 1964677 Boilermaker
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How is that?  You're asking a question as if the market is legit.  Lose that thought and you'll never have to ask "How is that" again.

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 18:30 | 1964621 Barry Freed
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Reslient, delusional, same shit.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 09:58 | 1965860 ucsbcanuck
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You're being sarcastic right? Add the sarc to your post, and those downvoters would have been upvoters

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:18 | 1964354 dcb
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Ok, this was the most insane day of trading. I try to close shorts on thursday, because I know market like to go upfriday afternoon. we went past trends that should not have been broken though for the day.

I got my entry points also for yeaterday by doing a charts on weekly. so far so good. But this is a huge sell of in the offing for monday in europe. it really was a nonsense day. Note, byu the weekly  expected somethng and the friday, but not this.

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:34 | 1964426 dcb
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it also looks liek it is attempting to trade that bs channel like it did before from 10/19 to 11/14 It's so fucked up aqs usual.

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:18 | 1964355 slaughterer
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ES still leaking higher in after hours.  Above high of the day right now.  

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:51 | 1964491 Tommy5454
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It is pretty impressive. I've read several articles headlined "Europe Deal" or some derivation thereof.....I still don't know what the deal is other than Cameron not liking it.

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 18:06 | 1964536 Hansel
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I thought they agreed to say "fuck it" and deal with it in 2012.  This bullshit can't interfere with their month long winter holiday.  They'll be back second week of January.

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 18:47 | 1964678 walküre
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They're telling us the "deal" is a "treaty" between the EU nations except the UK.

The EU nations are agreeing to sign up to a common fiscal program. Nothing has been actually voted on inside each nation.

Once the plebs understand the treaty and get the idea that all tax dollars supposedly go to one budget, the gloves will come off.

Everyone has a poor and lazy brother, sister or cousins. Imagine your income is pooled and you bailed them out (which you might do anyway but reluctantly) and you get to spend less on yourself and for your own improvement. Now take that example from a family level to a level of nations that are not all that friendly with each other in most cases.

Then ask yourself, just who the fuck would dream this up and furthermore, who the fuck would sign on to this program unless of course you're the poor lazy slob that has nothing to loose except maybe some sovereignty (the will to decide how poor you want to be for yourself).

I'm doing my part and explaining to Germans that they are potentially now bound by a treaty (like Versailles) where they are covering the debts of other nations. At least Versailles could be argued was signed due to the fact that Germany had lost the war and was asked to capitulate. Now this time Germany was supposedly in the driver's seat and gets shafted again?

Then I wonder, who is on the receiving end of this and why are debts not being cut and/or forgiven? And the UK a.k.a. the Windsors and the Rothschilds and that entire filthy banking cabal in the City are vetoeing the treaty FOR THEIR OWN GOOD.

Riddle me that BATMAN.


Fri, 12/09/2011 - 20:43 | 1964947 ZeroPower
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Firstly, the City > all.

Agree with your comment up above that this day was painted green before the cash opened in the US.

As for Germany, one point i will argue with you is they very much are in the driver's seat, and i definitely dont think them 'succumbing' to any agreement is bad. A devaled EUR grants them even more exporting power which they desperately seek and, i would agree, is their be-all end-all.


Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:19 | 1964358 Marge N. Callz
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Market was worried about nothing coming out of EU meeting.  Nothing (nothing good) came out of EU meeting and stocks rally back to the highs of the week on low volume.  I call bullshit.  If anything came out of the meeting it was Britain telling the rest of the EU to go fuck themselves.  If S&P doesn't downgrade all of Europe next week, I'll be amazed.  Bottom line stay short.  After Santa fills up on bonuses and milk, he'll be puking down everyone's chimney.

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:37 | 1964435 Amused2Death
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S&P downgrade is considered good news last time I checked, AMIRITE?

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 18:19 | 1964584 J 457
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Up is down, left is right, and bad is now good.  Is that the new investing logic to follow?  How is S&P downgrade good?

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:20 | 1964367 alien-IQ
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after news of the failed summit which was supposed to be, according to Merkozy "the end of the world" or some such bullshit, the /ES has gone straight up gaining 31.25 points since 2am to the close today. Meanwhile...the Euro is up and the dollar is down on this news?...WTF????????????

this is just fucking mind-numbing.

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 18:20 | 1964590 J 457
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Someone is buying...

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 18:50 | 1964686 cosmictrainwreck
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Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:21 | 1964376 YesWeKahn
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Rumorless rally could be real, where is RoboTrader?

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:30 | 1964404 sabra1
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last i saw, he was cutting the expiry dates off of coupons! 

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:22 | 1964377 ACP
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Um, yeah. All that will mean something when Madman Ben gets run over by a truck. Not a second before.

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 18:44 | 1964668 Boilermaker
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<virtual cigar being handed to the winner>

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:27 | 1964394 walküre
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Netherlands entered recession today. The story went under among so much hyped bull(SHIT) sentiment.

Greece in Depression.

Italy in Recession, possibly in Depression next year (with 400+ billion debt coming due)

Germany with 80% of goods exported across the globe and much of it in austerity driven Europe - definitely entering Recession next year


Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:33 | 1964421 sabra1
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and timmy g. is recessed in janet napolitans' butt, and little does the crack addict know, is that she had 5 burritos for lunch....and beer!

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:34 | 1964424 Hungry For Knowledge
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DuPont lowers guidance for 2011 and 2012.  Mega-caps are lowering guidance......that's my clue that a slow and steady leakage of this balloon in on the way.  Have downside protection in place.

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 18:24 | 1964604 walküre
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I have alot of patience. Knowing full well that the shysters can pull the plug any given moment without forewarning and probably when we least expect it but when we're all prepared regardless - thanks ZH.

So many balls in the air, so many dominoes to fall ...

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 20:53 | 1964985 LarryDavis
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Must be time to buy stocks. Markets are getting exciting about economy getting worse because that only seems to drive corporate profits higher thorugh layoffs and stealing. I'm shocked MF Global isn't still being touted. Financials are looking really good.

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:28 | 1964400 hugovanderbubble
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Thx Tyler, for posting this.


 Have a great week-N all ZHedgers

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:34 | 1964427 Amused2Death
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I gave up a long time ago, you're stupid if you even try to make sense of it all...

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 18:43 | 1964664 Boilermaker
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It isn't meant to 'make sense'.  It's meant to fleece investors and is just a fancy mechanism to do so.

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:37 | 1964432 slewie the pi-rat
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joe & mary will see their stock and investment portfolios begin to show a bit of green and get confident and spend more

both of them!

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 18:21 | 1964594 J 457
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Not according to the weekly outflows.

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:39 | 1964437 jonan
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where can one find charts like this without a bloomberg terminal?

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 17:46 | 1964468 dracos_ghost
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It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas:

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 18:01 | 1964523 Georgesblog
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More form without substance. This is the offspring of fiat currency.

Fri, 12/09/2011 - 18:41 | 1964661 Boilermaker
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That's alot of charts.

Thanks for that.  So, now, what does that have to do with the fact that the FED is able to ramp the shit out of the equities at will?

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