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Stratfor Hacked, 200GB Of Emails, Credit Cards Stolen, Client List Released, Includes MF Global, Rockefeller Foundation

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This Christmas will not be a happy one for George Friedman (who incidentally was the focus of John Mauldin's latest book promotion email blast) and his Stratfor Global Intelligence service, because as of a few hours ago, hacking collective Anonymous disclosed that not only has it hacked the Stratfor website (since confirmed by Friedman himself), but has also obtained the full client list of over 4000 individuals and corporations, including their credit cards (which supposedly have been used to make $1 million in "donations"), as well as over 200 GB of email correspondence. And since the leaked client list is the who is who of intelligence, and capital management, including such names as Goldman Sachs, the Rockefeller Foundation and, yep, MF Global, we are certain that not only Stratfor and its clients will be waiting with bated breath to see just what additional troves of information are unleashed, but virtually everyone else, in this very sensitive time from a geopolitical point of view. And incidentally, we can't help but notice that Anonymous may have finally ventured into the foreign relations arena. We can only assume, for now, that this is not a formal (or informal) statement of allegiance with any specific ideology as otherwise the wargames in the Straits of Hormuz may soon be very inappropriately named (or halfway so).

Chronology of releases from AnonymousIRC starting early this afternoon:

And the kicker:

Anon promises that much more is coming:

  • has enough targets lined up to extend the fun fun fun of throught the entire next week.

How the Stratfor site looked minutes after the hack:

Full letter from George Friemdan to clients as of an hour ago:

The full client list as released in a pastebin by Anonymous of all the alleged clients sorted by company name, can be found here. As this is merely an extracted column from a far larger database, we are confident much more very sensitive information, as the bulk of the companies are either in the intelligence or money management business, will be released shortly.


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Sat, 12/24/2011 - 22:17 | 2009683 High Plains Drifter
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happy chanukah....ha ha ha .......

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 22:26 | 2009690 Momauguin Joe
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Mazel Tov!

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 23:22 | 2009749 disabledvet
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Now here's your Molotov!

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 04:11 | 2009985 Oh regional Indian
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And where is the cock's tail DV? 

Between his legs right now if I was a betting man.

This is all a part of the unfolding pattern of disclosure. WHen everyoen is naked, suddenly the emperor does not look so bad anymore, eh?

Wishing everyone a deeply deliberative time.



Sun, 12/25/2011 - 05:40 | 2010045 Hive Raid
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Graced again by The Oracle of Calcutta.

TD: "Hows that working out for you?"

TD: "What?"

TD: "Being clever."

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 09:22 | 2010174 chumbawamba
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This is the best part:

"We have learned that Stratfor’s web site was hacked by an unauthorized party."

Do they otherwise authorize people to hack their website?

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 10:39 | 2010239 XitSam
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Department of Redundancy Department

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 17:38 | 2010687 UncleFurker
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Yes they do. They're called security consultants.



Mon, 12/26/2011 - 10:58 | 2011691 Ying-Yang
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Interestingly enough, it appears that one of the reasons why Anonymous was able to attack the website was because Stratfor neglected to encrypt the credit card and other personal information about its subscribers. This has BoingBoing blogger Rob Beschizza perplexed:


It’s true that websites are like storefronts, and that it’s more or less impossible to stop determined people from blocking or defacing them now and again.

Here, however, it looks like Stratfor left private files in the window display, waiting to be grabbed by the first guy to put a brick through the glass.

Now, I’m not America’s premier intelligence and security research group, and I’m not a member of its national IT security planning task force. But I’m pretty sure that putting unencrypted lists of credit card numbers and client details on public-exposed servers isn’t quite explained by “no matter what you do, every system has some level of vulnerability.”

POPO..... it's the news baby! ZH is where we get news. Don't popo in your own pool.

Tue, 12/27/2011 - 00:10 | 2012675 UP Forester
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Worked for Sony, didn't it?

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 05:55 | 2010049 Popo
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Let's be clear:   ZH reprints Stratfor stories REGULARLY.   Why?  Because here on ZH, we too want to know where the war-drums are beating.  Just two weeks ago, ZH reprinted Stratfor's US Navy positions map for the Gulf region.  Frankly,  I find that information to be very important -- And I'm not sure where else I (or Tyler) would get it.

I'm not sure why Anonymous felt the need to attack a private publication.  But IMHO that is an attempt at limiting free speech -- which is ironically what Anonymous themselves stand for.    Hypocrisy at it's finest.

And Tyler:  You should clarify your position on this story.   An attempt to attack a publication which is protected under the first amendment is not something that ZH has *any* business showing support for.  For ZH too, this is hypocrisy.   (Particularly when it's a publication that you regularly reprint maps and data from)

When Anonymous speaks -- we *hope* the media and the world at large will listen.   But if Anonymous tries to silence other voices?   i'm sorry: No.  That's when Anonymous loses my support completely.   

File this operation under "Lame".  Anonymous just lost points in public opinion -- and that's not something they can afford to do.



Sun, 12/25/2011 - 05:56 | 2010058 BigDuke6
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I liked your post but don't fucking ask ZH to 'declare its position'.
You read
You learn.
You prepare in your own way.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 06:24 | 2010062 Popo
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Completely disagree.  What I'm reading here seems to be support for a small gang of people to attack private property and attempt to limit free speech with which they disagree.    (And why does ZH provide a link to the stolen data, exactly?)

While I may want Fox News to shut up,  I do not under any circumstances advocate actually 'shutting them up'.   That's a very slippery slope towards somewhere we do not want to go.   What if some quasi-government organization decided to take down ZH because they disagreed with it?   And what if they took user data?

IMHO -- Tyler needs to clarify ZH's posiiton on attacking publications and aggressively limiting freedom of speech.   Because this move by Anonymous is bullshit.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 06:48 | 2010080 BorisTheBlade
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Lol, butthurt


Sun, 12/25/2011 - 08:12 | 2010116 Popo
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Having to provide a dictionary to explain your cleverness = fail

You might want to look up "blade" while you're at it.



Sun, 12/25/2011 - 09:01 | 2010151 BorisTheBlade
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Not that ad hominem argument with internet identity means anything, but thanks, further proves the point. Look up ad hominem yourself please, since you mind me putting the references.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 09:13 | 2010162 Popo
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Sigh.   I believe it is you that doesn't understand what an ad hominem attack is.  An ad hominem attack is an attempt to avoid the *actual* argument by attacking the arguer.

You haven't made an argument.   If you can make intelligent responses other than  "Lol butthurt" -- I'll actually respond to you.

Until then,  I'll keep treating you like an unintelligent troll.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 09:14 | 2010166 BorisTheBlade
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It is getting better and better, first time to internet?

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 09:16 | 2010170 Popo
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Is that supposed to be an English sentence?

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 09:25 | 2010176 BorisTheBlade
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First time it is.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 12:29 | 2010366 Lndmvr
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I thought the original remark was about our own governments attempts to smother our free speech and yada yada.

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 09:07 | 2011575 DavidC
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Shut up.

Popo made some good points, whether or not you agree with them.


Sun, 12/25/2011 - 07:36 | 2010092 Socrate
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«And why does ZH provide a link to the stolen data, exactly?»

Because it is already been made public. Why not repost already public stuff. It is not ZH's fault that Stratfor ignore the presence of encryption technology and the need for securing private data.

M3$$ w1th t3h b3$t....

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 09:39 | 2010115 Popo
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That's like saying "It wasn't my fault she was dressed so sexy..."

I'm sure you have no idea in how many ways your argument fails legally.  But suffice to say:  Your argument = profound fail.

Oh wait... I just read your last sentence.  I'm arguing with a 13 year old...

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 10:06 | 2010199 BorisTheBlade
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troll more carefully bro, on a long enough timeline it becomes obvious. and no, it wasn't anybody's fault she was dressed so sexy, you wouldn't be born if she wasn't. merry LulzXmas

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 10:26 | 2010232 IrritableBowels
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Assuming a classical intellectual philosopher's name for avatar and then misspelling it: FAIL

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 11:00 | 2010248 Socrate
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Socrate is Socrates in French, t'as compris ?

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 11:02 | 2010262 IrritableBowels
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Exposed myself.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 11:48 | 2010301 Socrate
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Merry Xmas, dude!

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 09:00 | 2010154 farmjohnny
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Atempting to put a square peg, (freedow of speach issue), into a round hole,(this hack)? doesnt hold appear to hold water. Next.


Sun, 12/25/2011 - 09:07 | 2010156 Popo
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Silly comment.   In your magical corner of the universe this was not a politically motivated action?  

As one of the Tyler's said above:  "And incidentally, we can't help but notice that Anonymous may have finally ventured into the foreign relations arena."

If Anonymous is making political statements with aggressive actions -- you can't turn around and claim that this is just a "hack".  It wasn't.  You know that.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 12:56 | 2010408 Silversinner
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We,the people,are at war with these

institutions.I support all attempts

to expose,reveal,undermine their position.

They already spy on us 24/7,so lets

use their weapons against them,see

nothing wrong in that,it's called self defence.




Sun, 12/25/2011 - 15:52 | 2010592 Popo
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We the people are at war with Stratfor?  Uh... don't speak for me bro.  

Yes,  we the people are at war with the banking system, the oligarchy, the military industrial complex and a whole host of other baddies...  But like our founding fathers, I believe that the press should be left out of the fray.  For better or for worse, they need to be unfettered.


Tue, 12/27/2011 - 00:31 | 2012698 UP Forester
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Naaaaahhhh.  Stratfor has to be on the up-and-up, just look at the prime players, from Bloomberg on the 15th:


And why Austin?  Because that's where all the companies not related to CIA and .gov data-mining are located.

Hell, they've even got courses on how to do it:

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 09:32 | 2010184 sessinpo
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What this may lead to is an eventual war between hacking groups. Not the traditional black hats versus white hats (white hats generally expose weaknesses so that their employer can try to fix it before a hacking occurs). Instead grey hats versus black hats. Another group with the expertise and knowledge to go after Anonymous beyond the scope of law enforcement as we know it. Hired guns in the new wild west.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 12:07 | 2010333 barkingbill
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a bit anal aren't we aptly named popo? otherwise known as rear-end. 

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 15:42 | 2010577 killedbyshortvol
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It's not clear to me how ZH or Anonymous is "aggressively limiting freedom of speech".  What am I missing?

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 18:49 | 2010749 Joseph Jones
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Oh ya, sure...I'd hate to see someone remove a weapon from the hands of someone annihilating a large group of people.  

Anyone thinking free speech exists in a meaningful way in the USA is wrong.

I'd give anonymous money if I could find them.  God bless them all.  Stop reading here if you don't understand or largely disagree with the editorial stance.  

Any security industry enthusiastically supported by Bill O'Reilly and the Zionist pig Fox News owner needs to be taken down fast, soon, and often.  

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 21:31 | 2010876 chistletoe
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there is quite the conumdrum here.


I myself admit to spending hours and hours in contemplation of the conumdrum,


why do TPTB allow ZH to continue to do all that it does?


Consider the fate of Wikileaks.certainly "they" could shut it down if they wished,

though it might take a little more than just a highly-paid duplicitous prostitute to do it ....


Come upo with your own answer, but don't post it here ....

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 13:24 | 2011881 RiverRoad
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Here's my answer:  They're too busy reading ZH to shut it down.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 20:16 | 2010814 Stoploss
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Mon, 12/26/2011 - 08:30 | 2011548 Raging Debate
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I really liked your last comment Popo. Good job in this latest comment too about pointing out how we should strive for a higher standard in defending the 1st Amendment. Here was my write up on it: .

Sorry Tyler, if you want the power of the 1st Amendment you have to also become a standard-bearer of it. I am from one of the orphan generations, we are all dealing with demographic imbalance and how banking attempted a solution to it. Just a different method of attempting to force spending as ageing people stockpile ahead of decrepency when they can't produce. Blame is dumb, we should blame people from 1870 that their generation lived longer than the next one? 

I read a bunch of the comments already, that Polizesta commentator sure is acting purposely provocative, what do you call those again? What Popo is trying to do is tell you to police yourself so the authorities don't have to.  

ZH will have a tough time shedding its branding at some point but we are all left guessing if the branding will change, or such bright people will be motivated past just being on defense and do some problem solving, become part of society. That is genius that we are left guessing on intent. It actually hasn't or ever changed.

The branding here, Fight Club is about gleefully destroying the supply chains. In the movie, the glee of fighting and getting prepared were reserved for those that have polluted the supply chains, control them and making the world slums. The movie was to show how little respect these people had for themselves because society had ignored them for so long anyway that having something to lose wouldn't even register to begin with. The glee is about their own oppression coming to an end. It is dark and cryptic because how much the society suffers in the process is irrelevant. The theme is to attempt to reach leaders that you don't want to live in this world, similar to Clockwork Orange almost.

That right or wrong, those men owning and perverting the supply chains have to be taught lessons and that when all else fails to reach them that violence becomes the only answer.

Because of the branding, the service has a shelf life and it seems like many people have become anamored with the service but have forgotten or never understand what the theme of the branding was. Now, if it were me I would kill the Fight Club brand and keep the financial, hedging brand (domain name, ZH). Combining the two brands worked in 2008 for reasons that no longer do and this comment is already too long...  

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 15:04 | 2012035 sgt_doom
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"...attempt to limit free speech ...."

Listen moron (Popo), did you happen to read the client list, halfwit?

Frist Capital, LLC (Billy Frist's company, AT&T, etc., almost all the many, many Rockefeller/Morgan/Mellon companies, all those companies making up the control element of the American Financial-Intelligence-Complex,......please, give me a frigging break!

These are all the sleazoids who have dismantled the American economy, crippled any possibility at any form of democracy, destroyed the tax base in America, and killed any and all "free speech" as they overwhelming control the media and their message!

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 15:05 | 2012038 sgt_doom
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"...attempt to limit free speech ...."

Listen moron (Popo), did you happen to read the client list, halfwit?

Frist Capital, LLC (Billy Frist's company, AT&T, etc., almost all the many, many Rockefeller/Morgan/Mellon companies, all those companies making up the control element of the American Financial-Intelligence-Complex,......please, give me a frigging break!

These are all the sleazoids who have dismantled the American economy, crippled any possibility at any form of democracy, destroyed the tax base in America, and killed any and all "free speech" as they overwhelming control the media and their message!

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 08:05 | 2010111 Rynak
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Fuck you, sockpuppet

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 08:50 | 2010118 Popo
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Apparently I bruised another unquestioning fanboy.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 09:26 | 2010171 Archduke
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1) StartFor's intelligence is harvested independently from public sources,

it's the equivalent of stalking on google streetview and satellite imagery.

I don't see how ZH reprinting is any worse than a paid stratfor subscription,

and I don't see see any of this information as sensitive state secrets.

it's quality information and opinion, well researched and compiled, but

it's not seditious secret leakage.


2) If anything this highlights how it's impossible to be a one-man shop and

shows there is a need for a open-source pen-tested information business.

I respect George Friedman's opinions and find his analyses poignant and

perspicaceous, but it's been obvious he is no information security expert.

Cryptome and even ZH use PGP drop boxes, whereas Stratfor encrypts nada.

Even more telling, the full naval update maps were always available without a

subscription, simply by virtue of copying the thumbnal url and stripping the

suffix from it.


3) Lay off the Anonymous rhetoric.  Like it's typonomic says it is anonymous,

so there's no guarantee that any consistency exists between different actions

or actors claiming kudos.  This could just as easily be a a copycat group, a rogue

splinter cell, chinese hackers, or a flase flag by a government special interest

group pushing a big brother internet agenda.  Anonymous is an aggregate of

many different hactivists each with their own ideals, goals, and rules of ethics.

until or unless there is ever a concerted and coherent unifying campaign on all

their part violating intel sites, there is no way you can pin one alleged action

on the movement as a whole.  plus who knows, maybe Friedman was in it with

HB Gary and had it coming?  we are spectators in the world of spook subterfuge.

the best we can hope for is to see a trend and make a buck.  we're certainly not

the ones in the loop.




Sun, 12/25/2011 - 09:27 | 2010177 Popo
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Archduke -- I hear you.  But imho the fact that Stratfor gets their info from public sources isn't the issue.  It's still a publication -- and the idea that you can silence voices through whatever means doesn't sit well with me -- and frankly it shouldn't sit well with anyone here, as we're all big fans of ZH (and ZH also gets info from public sources).

As to your third point.  That's very true -- and it's hard to say whether or not this was in fact, "Anonymous" that did the hack.    We may never know -- but IMHO this was definitely not their finest moment if it was.  





Sun, 12/25/2011 - 12:10 | 2010334 DionysusDevotee
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and it's hard to say whether or not this was in fact, "Anonymous" that did the hack. "

Thing is that all it takes to be anonymous is to declare yourself anonymous.  This looks far more like Lulzsec people.  Who as they say "do it for the lulz"

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 13:37 | 2010463 Hansel
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Except that 'Anonymous' is claiming responsibility via its twitter feed, AnonymousIRC.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 15:27 | 2010562 Freddie
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The few things I have seen by Stratfor were never really that groundbreaking.  It was just fairly general stuff or based on analyzing info on teh web including foreign language publications.  PRobably better than the lies the newsmedia spews but not earthshaking stuff that a fairly intelligent person could not figure out.

Who they should hack is the Rand Corp.  They are really evil f***s.

Stratfor is just Semi-NeoConish.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 15:45 | 2010585 GiantVampireSqu...
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Are you Frank Ginac?

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 00:24 | 2011139 davepowers
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Beyond hacking into Stratfor opinion/fact work, there's also the alleged fact that 'they' stole credit card info. That's a different animal altogether is it not?

As far as Strafor intelligence work goes, I've never subscribed and have only read what gets published here and there, apparently with consent. And that has uniformly been 'master of the obvious' stuff. Why anyone would feel compelled to subscribe escapes me. Perhaps what they say behind the (flimsy) for subscriber screen is better.


Mon, 12/26/2011 - 15:07 | 2012043 sgt_doom
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Apparently you've been living in a cave the last ten years or so, and are completely unaware of all the crimes perpetrated by those individuals on their client list????????????????

Ever heard of JPMorgan Chase?  Bill Frist's company, HCA?? And persue the others, chump....

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 05:24 | 2011468 Archduke
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you're right, Popo.


this could be much worse for stratfor than for the hackers as it may expose friedman's sources.

apart from the prospect of rival poaching (tough luck), if it ever turns out that some of the

sources are passing any confidential info requiring clearance it would expose friedman to

espionage charges.  that would be ironic. turning the insider info coterie to bite its own tail.


Sun, 12/25/2011 - 09:32 | 2010186 Bobbyrib
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We no longer have a free market economy. This is a list of some of benefits of our crony capitalists system. These people trashed our rights when they bought our government. When votes matter more than money, the democracy is one that is failing, not everyone else's logic.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 10:05 | 2010219 Urban Redneck
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A list of subscribers is a meaningless gesture without a context that no "outsider" reader would be able to properly apply.  Buried within that list would be the name and credit card number of one Tyler Durden, and probably several fronts for Iranian intelligence.  If they hacked Ron Paul's list of subscribers they would probably uncover the names and email addresses of half of Obama's hatchet men, none of whom are likely to be chanting "End the Fed" anytime soon... Everyone in Washington keeps an eye on everyone else, throw in all the outsiders who get on in the game and there is too much background noise to distill meaningful intelligence from something as simple as a subscription list.


Far more useful would be a list of the names, positions, and home addresses of every legislator and legislative staffer on Capitol Hill- at least then readers could go online and connect and potential protest locations to  specific legislative atrocities and the path they took to through the legislative labyrinth to become law.  


Here's hoping for a better Christmas gift next year.  Have a Safe and Merry Christmas.


Sun, 12/25/2011 - 15:40 | 2010581 GiantVampireSqu...
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You are missing the whole fucking point of what annonomous is doing cointel troll.  The information is public now, wasn't before.  Thats got fuck  all to do with restricting freedom of speech.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 16:46 | 2010646 MrPalladium
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I have always regarded Stratfor as an arm of Israeli intelligence - a Mossad subsidiary.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 21:16 | 2010856 I did it by Occident
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+-----It depends, just because it is a "private" organization does not make it sacrosanct.  Who does Stratfor work for?  How would you classify a "private" org that does work for the govt, various other entities such as goldman-sachs and other TPTB players.  Is that still a "private" organization?  That's why vairous other govt contractors are counted as private sector, but since all their bills are paid by doing work the the govt, are they really "private sector"? Many would consider the post office more private sector than Lockheed Martin. 

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 16:54 | 2012161 Crate kicker 7
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Is it possible that the point of the article is to a) expose the possible ramifications of Anon's actions, and b) to show just how far reaching this breach goes? But also that it shows that Stratfor overlooked some important security measures such as encryption?

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 23:41 | 2009769 CompassionateFascist
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Oh no I'm being OUTED!! Went to the site before I knew about the attack, and some vicious bug jumped into my cptr. One of those "hire us to clean up your trojans, or we won't leave" type programs. Took about an hour to get rid of the thing. Foolish of anon to attack this site tho: w/o it, how will Iran be able to find out when US carrier battle groups are converging on the region. Tehran needs this info to pre-empt, close Straits, pound oil terminals. The TREASON GANG (sarc) at ZH should not applaud this attack.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 14:37 | 2010508 Rick Masters
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Are you serious? You think iran needs statfor to locate giant carrier group formations? Really? If they need that then they obviously coulnt build a bomb since they cant locate goddamned giant naval formations floating towards them unless you believe these groups have top secret cloaking tech like the predator.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 23:52 | 2009786 Cistercian
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Win, Epic.


  PS.Merry Christmas.....bitches!

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 15:07 | 2010541 ilion
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Is there a list of emails posted somewhere?

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 22:23 | 2009685 lolmaster
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This is quite lol. Show me all internal email of GS, SAC, CCP, or Soros and then I'll be interested. Hacking a two bit (lul) newsletter publisher is rank amateurism. Would not be surprised if it was a Stratfor false flag op to raise their profile, bc surely no one else is reading their trash

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 22:57 | 2009714 Conrad Murray
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This is a reaction one sees a lot. Not wholly unfounded, but what good does it do? Let us take this moment to shift from criticism to action. One would have to believe that among the people who read ZH there are those with the requisite skills to liberate data. Perhaps there are some who are already sailing the seas. There are also those who read ZH who have access to the insides of the places of which you speak.

Now, I don't know anything about this stuff, but, just from reading this article, it seems the IRC is a meeting place. Maybe those who have physical access to the data or systems, and those who wish to see it liberated could find their way to this digital devil's lair in order to converse. VPN services purchased anonymously, connected to from some hijacked wifi. Maybe routed through TOR or even taking place on i2p. Maybe, just maybe, if the right people came together, lulz would ensue.


tl;dr - Project Mayhem bitchez

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 00:16 | 2009817 DeadFred
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The odds are low that there is no overlap between ZH and Anonomous.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 03:02 | 2009949 BorisTheBlade
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On a long enough timeline ZH and Anonymous overlap.

Wed, 12/28/2011 - 00:45 | 2015355 ElTerco
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Are you suggesting that some members of ZeroHedge may be terrorists, and by affiliation, anyone who reads ZeroHedge is also a terrorist?  Oh, goodie!!  Maybe now that the National Defnse Authorization Act has been passed, the "government" will be able to round up all ZeroHedge posters based on your heresay, without an option for a fair trial.  Thank god we are still a free country.  The only problem is that when "government" finds out who the ZeroHedge members really are, they are going to have a lot of egg on their face.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 02:39 | 2009937 Problem Is
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Project Mayhem... The time is now... Amen...

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 23:13 | 2009736 High Plains Drifter
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what is the purpose of a place like stratfor anyway?  spoon feed a bunch of bullshit to a willing and cooperative client base of like minded coffee and coolaid drinkers?  

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 01:10 | 2009873 CIABS
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i subscribed to stratfor for several years after 9/11 and read a lot of what they published, but eventually i recognized them as neocon propagandists.  they're good at truthiness, but i don't trust them.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 01:16 | 2009878 Josh Randall
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+1000 fellas - I used to get the free email to see what the neocon spin was on incidents. Stratfor is a totally "in the bag" neo con operation for shills that want to sound intelligent when they call in to Hannity's show.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 23:04 | 2010998 Joseph Jones
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WTH, Hannity ain't the real thing?  No tooth fairy?  No Santa Claus?  No nuthin? 

(sarc off)

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 10:01 | 2010214 Archduke
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the point is not whether you believe in it.  the point is if you believe that enough real decision makers believe in it.

and as these often come from the hawkish neocon persuasion, then there is value in seeing the trends they see.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 12:19 | 2010346 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Bingo. It is easily seen that sites like and are preaching to their respective choirs. The value in what they publish is being able to see the weekly sermon to the faithful and reading the schedule for the kool-aid flavor du jour.


Sun, 12/25/2011 - 14:22 | 2010495 jailnotbail
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Exactly. So what purpose does a "hack" like this - which really constitutes nothing of any signficance solve? Oh, my look at their important and signficant client list. They MUST be credible and accurate sources if these high powered institutions and companies subscribe. Right?

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 08:49 | 2010145 chyros
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Well, I am .. err, was, subscribed. Guess anon did me a favor as I just canceled my visa card and thereby my subscription. I signed up out of curiosity, to see what real "intel" that you pay for was like, and it was like .. Yawn. [oh, and to sound intelligent in coolaid breaks] .The only fun part was where the US fleets were, but still can't figure how to use that to my advantage.

The real intel is here, and all those ZH links that our mate Tyler digs up. In fact, this piece gave me the heads up to can my visa. Before anon donated my miserable credit to wherever :0)

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 15:22 | 2010556 Cathartes Aura
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perhaps that guy thing of wanting to "sound intelligent in coolaid breaks" or, as JRandall mentions above "on Hannity" can be recognised as the passing along of gossip that serves the "neo-cons" and others - it's their spun storytales, and by repeating them over and over as "truths" a disservice to what might really be happening takes place.

this is NOT to criticize any individuals, but to maybe just acknowledge the times when passing on "their" gossip doesn't really help undermine their narratives. . .

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 19:45 | 2010798 chyros
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Yep, the web is all about mindstreams of persuasion and herding sheeple. 

Been bothering me for a while - why the US fleet movements. Like, who needs to know that don't already?

It's logistics intel for global escort agencies. lol

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 01:48 | 2009909 BorisTheBlade
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Would not be surprised if it was a Stratfor false flag op to raise their profile

A screw up like that and raising profile don't go together for a company that seemingly specializes on intelligence and counter-intelligence. Next in line, George Friedman will probably write another 1000 words circular e-mail to esteemed clients to explain his views on how Anonymous is capable of clandestine work and should be treated much the same way as any foreign intelligence agency. Anon will probably retaliate with bursting in lulz and hacking Friedman's iPhone.

Anon delivers bitchezzzz

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 12:04 | 2010330 ATM
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Or he says that Stratfor's work is so important that Anon fel tthe need to hack them.....

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 07:37 | 2010093 Socrate
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How should one raise its profile by exposing his own stupidity and lack of knowledge on securing private data?

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 15:31 | 2010569 Freddie
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Super Secret source of info for spook wanna be's and they kept all their old emails on their servers?   They sound like the ***king three stooges.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 22:26 | 2009688 A Lunatic
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Time to regulate the internet........blah, blah National security............blah, blah War on Terror............blah, blah, blah................during this time of......... blah, blah blah, blah

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 02:42 | 2009938 Problem Is
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+1... Correct analysis...

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 22:25 | 2009689 Ahmeexnal
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Anonymous is a Soros funded operation.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 22:32 | 2009703 holdbuysell
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Do you have supporting information?

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 13:02 | 2010419 Non Passaran
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What kind of question is that?

He's consistent - he's never had supporting info for anything!

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 22:53 | 2009721 dwdollar
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Wrong. Anonymous is a decentralized organization of hackers. It's not funded by any one person in particular.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 23:35 | 2009761 margaris
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really, anonymous can be anyone, even your government.

Its a mask you can put on for some anonymous action.

Its not something you wear your whole life, like your face!

e.g. Check this strange anonymous video:

now why would they want to attack iowa ... when Ron Paul is winning?

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 00:33 | 2009834 Cursive
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really, anonymous can be anyone, even your government.

So, Prisoner #6 really IS #1!  Cue Patrick McGoohan.  LOL.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 01:13 | 2009876 YBNguy
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Anony is USCC, do your research on them like you do with finance...

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 03:26 | 2009957 alex_g
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they're westpoint??

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 11:07 | 2010265 Coast Watcher
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United States Camel Corps?

Mon, 12/26/2011 - 05:51 | 2011486 Left Right Wrong
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For anyone else who didn't get the above reference, this article gives a pretty thorough examination of the United States Central Command, or CENTCOM, and it's goal - perhaps with some ongoing success - of influecing idea formation and perception management through social media by impersonating up to 10 truth-y and veneerilly authentic "people" per employee/soldier.


I really hope that Anonymous is the real deal and is truly a manifestation of the Internet's ultimate Power, and a barometer check on its proximity towards its final destiny as liberator of consciousness, and final driver of evolution for homo sapiens 

I hope that Anonymous truly is a life force of it's own; a collective embodiment of the will of the world, capable of breaking the chains that inhumanely hold down the vast majority of the world's population; a leaderless aggregation that exposes and punishes the perpetrators of the status quo, in addition to those complicit in any attempt to stymy the almost spiritual - exponentially contagious and increasingly powerful - wakefullness that is infecting the People the world over.

The Internet allows us to see just how interconnected we are. Maintain hope and/or faith that these are merely the teenage years - tumultuous and uncertain times that are "transient" [;-)] yet educational - of a monumental moment in our evolutionary development, and a necessary, albeit trying, stage of the last epoch of organic life's progression into the unknown.

But like most great dreams, the deeper you dig in and attmept to internalize Truth, there springs a sinister crack of potential deception.

Can anyone elabororate on this article?

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 05:38 | 2010044 Dugald
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Re Prisoner #6.....

Thanks I got a good laugh at that one....cheers!

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 12:30 | 2010367 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Number 6: "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!"

Number 2: <laughter>


Sun, 12/25/2011 - 08:02 | 2010109 NoClueSneaker
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I have fun personalising Anonymous.

I see all the time the grinning of John Gilmore :-)

Dunno why ...

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 23:50 | 2009783 DormRoom
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nah.. Anonymous may be the class that overthrow the capitalists, like how the capitalists overthrew the aristocrats.  Anonymous are the infocrats.  They control information, which is power these days.


NO wonder governments want #SOPA.  They want to track Anonymous @ the TCP/IP & DNS layer.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 00:40 | 2009840 Polizei_Stadt_2011
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"NO wonder governments want #SOPA.  They want to track Anonymous @ the TCP/IP & DNS layer."


That's some retarded shit right there.  You folks that don't know anything about the internet should really refrain from spouting such nonsense.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 01:59 | 2009921 CrazyCooter
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I think he meant to say "Don't ping my cheese with your bandwidth."



Sun, 12/25/2011 - 01:01 | 2009865 q99x2
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Maybe they live in Freenet tunnels.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 12:31 | 2010368 papaswamp
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What capitalists? Capitalism hasn't existed in this country for decades.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 00:40 | 2009839 Polizei_Stadt_2011
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That meme is getting worn out by stupid fucks above 30 years old that don't know anything about the internet.  Anonymous developed around the chan sites where posters not choosing a name would post as "anonymous."  It is everything and nothing you think it is.  Because anyone can claim to be anonymous.  In fact, anyone can BE anonymous.  That's the point.


But it definitely is not a psy op or any other conspiratorial nonsense.  I think you are projecting this notion onto them because their action and victories against the powers that be magnifies your own impotence just that much more.  You see these teens and early 20's folks out there owning servers and dumping email spools and you assume they must REALLY be some kind of super ninja hacker NSA guys because OBVIOUSLY no "average Joe" could be smarter or more motivated or braver than you are.


Sorry, you're wrong.  Just because you're a powerless, impotent, defeated old man doesn't mean everyone is.  Deal with it faggot.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 01:12 | 2009875 Ralph Spoilsport
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Police State Script Kiddy:
You have tried hard to generate interest in yourself by your inflammatory posts. I'm older than dirt and had ARPANET and DECNet accounts before you were born.

You got my attention. Now we shall see what you're made of. Not much I reckon. In the words of your idols, "Expect Us".

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 01:21 | 2009886 Polizei_Stadt_2011
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U mad?

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 01:47 | 2009911 JOYFUL
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Nope, jus wise to yu, Goy baiter.

Now get lost.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 02:48 | 2009941 Problem Is
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9th Rule of Fight Club:

Newbies have to STFU and read their first 26 weeks...

Mr. Polizei_1_week_and_2_day-er...

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 04:01 | 2009975 MayIMommaDogFac...
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But -- but, he lurked for like, 3 whole weeks before he signed up and started, umm, started -- would you call it posting?

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 08:02 | 2010108 Polizei_Stadt_2011
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I have multiple accounts and change accounts with great frequency.  Only stupid sheep like you maintain persistent accounts that can be datamined and gobbled up by the automated systems that maintain your profile in the government databases.


I'm sure you registered your ZH account with your aol email that is  And you're surfing right now from your home ISP connection.  Probably on Facebook too.


See, people like you have nothing to fear from the police state.  Because you're too stupid to hide anything, or plot anything or, frankly, do anything that anyone would be interested in.  And, moreover, you KNOW you're too stupid to be a threat to anyone other than your spouse after you've had a few too many drinks of rum and eggnog.  So you dote over the state that you worship, gazing upon it with those big stupid cow eyes people like you have.


Despite all that, there was quite an uproar on this site over the NDAA that allows the government to murder or "disappear" anyone it wishes at will on this site.  Yet here you are,, posting from his home ISP account, worrying about how many weeks an "account" says someone has been on the site rather than the content of the message.


Comically laughable.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 10:27 | 2010233 jimijon
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Hey now! I resemble that remark!

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 10:44 | 2010244 Loose-Tools
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Your level of "expertise" is not credible to me because ... you seem to be paranoid.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 10:58 | 2010257 Urban Redneck
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Paranoia can be Comical, so can Presumption.


If the architecture and process is engineered correctly the first time then it doesn't need to be modified at regular intervals, or can be done so in a way transparent to the end points.


Even without echelon and onyx, anyone with an iq above room temperature and access to an mazh terminal looking at this single internet posting of mine could identify who I am in five minutes (or at least whose life I would like to make difficult in the event of the shit hitting the fan a certain way).  The failure of the 99% to change their router passwords also presents myriad opportunities for VPN endpoints to enable the FCC/DHS to do a hilarious reenactment of Pump Up the Volume should they be inclined to act up and clamp down.


If the worst you are doing is posting on ZH- then you are probably pretty far down any government lists.  If posting on ZH isn't the worst you are doing- then perhaps your efforts would be better spent constructing more robust Chinese walls between other activities and your ZH posting, then trying to keep the ZH community guessing at your most recent identity…   


Sun, 12/25/2011 - 19:19 | 2010773 infinity8
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So, you are some sort of "threat" and are "plotting and hiding" something "interesting"? But, you're so smart and agile that the black SUV goons won't ever darken your doorstep? And, you're gonna post that on a blog that's probably on a list somewhere?

Merry X, dumbass.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 02:20 | 2009930 zebrasquid
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Re: Under 30 wunderkind:  You stand on the shoulders of centuries of giants that have come before and think you got there on your own?  Yeah, sure you did.

And besides, the most accomplished among you is, who, Mr. Facebook? Mr. Twitt?  Just look at what they've turned your generation into - punks wasting their youth tweeting the world what they had for lunch, and really believing someone cares.


Sun, 12/25/2011 - 02:26 | 2009932 Polizei_Stadt_2011
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"Idle hands are the devil's play things."


The Boomers ran America and the global economy straight into the ground.  But there are still intelligent young men being born, and they have nothing to do.  Unemployment among men ages 16 to 29 in the U.S. is above 45%.  Ergo, anonymous, lulzsec, antisec.


These people have nothing to lose, and unlike you, they are not afraid.


But if you actually read the defacement message you would likely have reached the same conclusion I did, that this particular hack was carried out by French or Spanish anons.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 03:04 | 2009951 Neo
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You better find something else to do witht you time, youngman, becuase the second the Internet becomes a REAL threat, it'll simply be turned off. What corporations/government giveth, it just as easily and quickly taketh away.

The real revolution will NOT be twitted, facebooked, blogged or broadcast on IRC or even televised so we can all tune in and cheer on the "good guys". When TSHTF, comunications for the masses will be the first thing to go, can't have the sheep coordinating.

It's too bad cell phones have gotten so small and light, at some point the only thing they are going to be good for is as a projectile. An old Brick Cell phone would have made a much better weapon.

As for those landlines....the seeds of the explanation are already being planted.


Sun, 12/25/2011 - 05:48 | 2010054 Dugald
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Don't be so negative....there is still Ham Radio, not as popular as it was, but still with us...keep up your Charlie may just need it!

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 08:36 | 2010140 BorisTheBlade
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No one will shut down the entire internet, that's not the purpose. Moreover, part of the reason so many lemmings were lured into facebook and twitter was to centralize means of communication for any possible coordination of such events and of course distract. Very few learned about strong encryption and IRC and avoiding centralized channels, so obviously won't be able to do so quickly when it matters, not in numbers usually required to make a difference anyway. Minority won't be able to get their message across, because majority is used to the more mainstream channels and don't follow 'fringe' unless they make the headlines. One doesn't need to control everything, one needs to control the majority and subdue the minority. With minority it is probably already the case as minority also tends to hang out in the same places and leave the traces.

They call twitter 'internet telegraph' for a reason, it was somewhat central in spreading information during uprisings in ME and MSM didn't have any problem with promoting such image, since it happens elsewhere and lemmings get the message that channels are credible, i.e. can support legitimate uprisings. I can only wonder what kind of algorithms are inside both FB and twitter to identify and trend/suppress topics, but I bet there are some. Same goes for google, whose algorithms are not transparent and since google was complacent in allowing chinese censorship to enter their market, what could possibly prevent them from being similarly complacent in allowing US censorsip? Nothing, they are also facilitators in that sense.

So, when something meaningful happens, don't expect to get it as a trending topic or type it in google and see if it shows up on top of search results. Or it will, on a 3rd page drowned in tonnes of noise.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 03:21 | 2009955 chindit13
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I think I'm going to repeat the tag line...J.M. Barrie, not Oscar Wilde:

I'm not young enough to know everything.

Perhaps the Boomers will ask for your forgiveness for not leaving their spawn and grandspawn a free and easy life.  Perhaps you and your generation can get back at them by not using any of the contributions Boomers made to society.  Toss the personal computer, the internet, anything using lasers, cellphones, alternative energy systems, space-age materials, modern medicines, etc.  That'll show'em.

Just for fun, here's the equivalent of "I had to walk ten miles to school in the snow everyday".  Well, I had to carry a three foot high batch of sequential cards across campus, hand it to the technician manning the mainframe, then find a teletype (with real keys and swing-arm letters) to log in and test my Fortran program, then get pissed off either because my code was wrong or the tech dropped one of my batch cards.  I apologize on behalf of those who left you the mess of WiFi and laptops and easy script.

Oh, and don't worry about the debt.  You won't be paying it, and those who own it (Boomers) won't be getting their money back.  Poetic justice?

The slate is clean for you youngsters.  Let's see what kind of a world you can make.  Talk is cheap.  Since time began it has been the practice of the young to believe they have the answers to everything.  Hopefully today's young, like most every generation that came before them, does have a few answers.  Nobody has all.  Not the Boomers, not my generation, not yours.  The species is now and always will be a work in progress.  If you're worth anywhere near as much as you think you are, your generation will produce something of value to leave behind, just as others have done. The world awaits, because Facebook isn't going to cut it.

Oh, and your kids will think you are an idiot, know nothing, and left a mess for them.

Youth is wasted on the young.  The biggest mistake any generation makes---and all of them do it---is thinking the world needs its gene pool.  Had the Boomers not made any babies, the world would probably be a much better place.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 08:13 | 2010126 Polizei_Stadt_2011
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Cool story bro.  You have some obsolete experience.


I wonder if this is how the wagon repairmen felt when the automobile came on the scene and all those "young whippersnapper" auto-mechanics stole their thunder?


In the world of technology you either learn constantly or your skills become obsolete and you become unemployable.  Your vanity comes through loud and clear in your post though.  Vanity with a hint of jealousy.


You'll all be dead soon.  No amount of plastic surgery, diet pills, fad diets, life style coaches, blood pressure/cholesterol lowering pharmaceuticals, or viagra can save you from finally facing up to your own mortality at this juncture.  Look at that laundry list of products that were created to save the Boomers from their unhealthy life styles and appeal to their vanity.  It's embarrassing, and the Olestra/Viagra/plastic surgery market will be a fitting funeral pyre to the most vain and superficial group of people in human history.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 09:01 | 2010157 chindit13
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I gave you a verbal thumbs up on another of your posts, but that might be immaterial.

You have reminded me of a famous tombstone which reads, "You'll Be Here Soon Enough".  You have the arrogance of youth, and that is what might...might...lead your generation to leave something of value behind.  The jury is still out.  You still have to deliver.  You will find things to be not as easy and clear cut as you now think.  With age comes something youth lack:  wisdom.  Also, you have to earn the battlescars.  Ain't nothing free.  Those of us with more solar circumnavigations can sit back and laugh at the echoes of ourselves, mouthed today by a new generation.  You are no different than any of us thought we were.  Only with experience will you learn that absolutely nothing you think is new and novel re the human condition.  When you realize and accept that, you will gain an enormous appreciation for things such as Shakespeare, Brahms, Christopher Wren, Erasmus, S.L. Weiss' Passacaglia.....all the things better people than you and me left behind.

I was kind of a prescient and academically accelerated youth, so I am probably not as old as you might think.  With two still healthy parents, looks like the inherited gene pool is going to smile upon me.  As one lucky enough to have been able to walk away from gainful employment in my 30's and pursue far more interesting avenues, I'm enjoying the trip however long it might be.  Here's hoping your trip is as enjoyable. 

As I said below, I hope you keep posting.  This site needs variety and debate.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 11:54 | 2010288 Miles Kendig
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I'm not young enough to know everything - Oscar Wilde

There it is

I'm enjoying the trip however long it might be - chindit13

Ya, it's about living your own journey.  Perhaps this threads troubled teen might actually discover the facts of life once they choose to move beyond being a Gerbervore and cut their own teeth. 

The best of holiday seasons to you.  Perhaps the pathways of the three of us [our MsMutual associate included] will cross however briefly as we travel the road.  I would enjoy that immensely.


Sun, 12/25/2011 - 11:39 | 2010291 clymer
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Chindit, don't give this self-aggrandizing puke any more attention. 

Shit, what kind of moron writes that everyone older than 30 is an idiot, all baby boomers ruined the nation and he thinks his technical prowess far-exceeds everyone else on the web.

anyone that writes in arrogant absolutes like this is clueless, and is not part of the solution. 


Sun, 12/25/2011 - 12:02 | 2010302 Miles Kendig
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Agreed to the attention and absolutes parts.

Just remember it takes all sorts to make society go and the winds of adolescence can be a bit brisker for some.  Perhaps that person will get blown away by their own bull shit and perhaps they'll actually grow on to solid foods one day.  It's that persons choice.  They can choose to mumble in isolation or attempt cognitive reasoning and do the incredibly hard work it takes to actually create to go with it.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 10:22 | 2010227 HungrySeagull
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Your post stands as a total ignorance and insult to your generation.

What makes you think that I rely on all that crap in your last paragraph to prolong my life another day?

I was raised long before the net was invented. Certain events are expected later in life and one has a good attitude and does well as they can. Technology did not exist for example to fix things that were considered killers.

I have saved lives in trucking including my own a number of times. One day death will come for you, no one knows when, how or where... but if you are fast enough you might just cheat it one more day.

Sratfor was a useful resource to me. Ever since the wars from the time we had C130's and other planes filling the sky to take over a small country in the Carribiean I have always been deeply concerned and very attentive to our Military.

You young uns did not live 39 minutes missile time over the pole between heaven and hell. You did not see the horror of Korea when it was realized that the Chinese managed to march tens of thousands into the FEBA under cover of the forest fires they set.

Or the horror of Vietnam whose Vets fought to save each other and then are spit on when they came home. It was a French issue and because of our Government's efforts and the People's apathy and protests, General Giap was able to beat us from time to time in the field of battle.


Where are the carriers is a standard question and Stratfor helps keep us up to date more or less. On board those carriers are thousands of very good men and women just out of highschool who dont waste time "Playing" the internet.

Want to make a difference? Go down to the Marine Recruiter or any of the other Branches and sign up. By the time they get through with you in Basic and if they somehow recognize the small amount of motivation within you to play the internet, you might have access to toys beyond your imagination.

And then either put in your 20 years or take that training and make it work while others stand in the soup line or struggle with unemployment.


For every dozen of youngsters who think us oldies are good for nothing, there is one or two who will be more than happy to learn all they can and postion themselves to lead this Nation into a bright future.

But for the moment, we have to make do with what little we have and it's not very much. And that is all we need. Yes my hair is white in places and I have bad days where rest is necessary, it is offset by love and peace in a home that is paid for and a balance sheet that is positive, however small each month.

The internet bill is a sum total of extravagance in our world. It sometimes gives us access to information not covered by the MSM and propaganda crap.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 18:03 | 2010708 Rick Masters
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For all your i-so-adore-the-troops bantor and your suggestion that people join as to avoid unemployment, maybe you should read some facts, like this one: unemployment rate among vets, 30 percent. And my problem with boomers is not that im jealous its that you sold out for money and debt and dismantled the idea of american exceptionalism as personified by education and turned that into a private for-profit business to make us all debt slaves, so dont play your oh-so-innocent game. The reason America became great was universal education, ya know, like the Chinese are doing right now. And they're pouring all types of resources into it. Yes, you've done great things but the other problem I have with boomers is this: your fucking arrogance. I don't like cursing but I ain't bowing down and kissing your ring either, Ceaser.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 11:01 | 2010261 Loose-Tools
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- 100. Bravo! Poorly thought out Snark. Don't bite anyone 'cause you seem to have bit of venom in you. But please continue, as you are permanently burying any credibilty you "might" have had.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 16:21 | 2010626 Papasmurf
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Don't be so smug.  Your live will be harder than his.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 11:02 | 2010254 Loose-Tools
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+ 100. Well said, and thought out, Chindit. Thank you.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 15:04 | 2010538 riley martini
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" Don't trust anyone over 30 " Quote from  baby boomer and 1960s civilrights activist Abby hoffman . Don't trust anyone over 30 was the battle cry of baby boomers . The cycle repeats . Youth unemployment is obsene in this country . I gave up my position so the youngster could make a buck now I can't get my position . Time for a new plan .

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 04:48 | 2010017 Dingleberry
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Amen.....and don't forget all of their body piercings and tattoos that make them fell "special".....  Just a bunch of fucking Eminem wannabees.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 12:06 | 2010316 boiltherich
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DB, You nailed it there, every generation has to rebel, it is part of the maturation process, but the current crop is not going out and buying tight 501's or growing their hair to their asses and smelling like corpses, that has already been done.  No, they are permanently vandalizing their own skin, some I believe for the same reason they voted for Obama, white guilt, can't have lily white skin from scalp to sole, have to find a way to be "colored" and then acting like a gang punk from the ghetto is more believable (in their minds anyway). 

But, look at photos of the popular fads from the 1970's that show very dated quiana disco shirts unbuttoned from the navel up, bell bottom pants so tight that they reveal whether or not one is circumcised, longish over styled blow-dried hair, or any other fads from any other era, the difference is that by the time people get to be 25-30 they have to grow up, we tossed the quiana shirts and disco pants, it is not going to be that easy for this generation.  This generation will hit 25-30 and while their minds will have matured they will be stuck wearing the relics of their rebellious past.  Just as tacky and dated wallpaper from the 70's is no longer made or sold, or shag carpet, or the AMC Gremlin, or any other item of that era which we now find so embarrassing it is going to cause a lot of mental anguish and I predict that the future for excimer laser manufacturing equities will be as bright as the beams required to remove the body "art." 

The attack on Stratfor is, well we can't know for certain who did it, but it strikes me as a very odd target considering how many targets there are out there of much higher impact.  I am pretty sure that anti hack cyber police evaluate and profile these kinds of crimes and can tell more from the patterns of hacked databases than anyone here knows or than they will ever tell us, especially since the Assange data dumps.  If the attack was rebellious kiddy hackerettes that got lucky and chose the site because of it's wealthy client list they would have been better off hacking the credit card database of Neiman-Marcus, one has to be in the 1% to get a credit account there (unless they changed their requirements since 1990). 

In the end I am open minded about the attacks, I see the damage they do, but I also see the good they do in outing secrets that should not be secret, and for those things that do need to be secret they expose our collective weaknesses in our defenses.  The problem with secrets is who do you trust with them?  Skynet?  Ethically challenged 20 somethings that are pissed off because they are 75 pounds overweight and never had a girlfriend?  


Sun, 12/25/2011 - 06:35 | 2010073 Hive Raid
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Troll analysis.

On second read, I think Police State is a "student" who believes his own shit. He's a one trick pony: "you squares can't fathom the depth of the youth nerd brigade" is every post. These channies imagine themselves as part of a high-tech underground global guerrilla movement, which--like OWS--can't quite articulate their purpose. The 99% of them are cheerleaders like Police State, whose participation amounts to 2x daily beat-offs to grey-area-legal porn, and lolling at the latest yearning submissions in the i-wanna-be-a-internet-meme-star competition.

A later post was laden with sulphuric Jew overtones, condemning those who observe a "Zionist conspiracy". However, the article describes an apparent attack on a leading Jew propaganda apparatus, which the lad seems to relish. In light of this contradiction, for the time being I'm going with: dorm room CS major pedo-porn whacking Jew, unaware of the full machinations of the international Jew squid, and thus not yet in lock-step with it.

[Memories of college; I had a Jew housemate one summer, and upon borrowing his laptop for a minute I encountered hardcore kiddy porn in an open tab.]

At any rate, I hereby grant Police State today's Velvet Jew Head Award, which entitles him to jack shit plus an ounce of Truth:

9/11 missing links (Jew orchestration of 9/11 attacks):

Merry Christmas!

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 07:18 | 2010088 JOYFUL
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he'll be around about as long as NO MAS...FAILURE is not tolerated in Mossad operatives, volunteer or professional.  BIG HOOK alert!

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 07:57 | 2010106 Hive Raid
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Yeah. Of course, this hack may be a ZOG pawn-sacrifice, to add to the arsenal against internet freedom, which is perhaps the greatest danger to ZOG at present.

In which case, we would expect shill deployment to flesh out the notion that such attacks are possible and part of a "movement". An IDF operative in the guise of a tech-savvy channy would make sense. His reference to zionism would then be a strategic error, I think; a Freudian slip--they just can't help themselves.

No big, but playing is half the fun.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 09:49 | 2010201 Panskeptic
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Ain't no such thing as a ZOG. It's just a fantasy in the minds of losers. The WASP establishment that really runs things does not admit ZOGs.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 10:45 | 2010246 Snake Plissken
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How is life in Tel Aviv s**t head?

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 11:05 | 2010264 SlipStitchPass
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I was also confused by the disrupt the Iowa cacus video. If Hermain "I'm a negro from the Fed and I am here to 999" Cain was still in the lead I could understand it but I don't get the call given Ron Paul is in the lead. Seems like Obama does not want to run against Ron Paul.

Also cosider that Donald "BK" Trump is now floating a third party run. Another pawn of the establishment. The only way Trump runs is if Ron gets the Republican nomination nod. Enough Americans are dumb enough to vote for the Donald to give the election to Obama.

#occupy has been coopted just as the tea party was taken over by the neocon whores Palin and Bachman.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 09:31 | 2010181 ThisIsBob
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Sorry, all I see is other people's property being vandalized for sport by a bunch of brats, as mannerless as you.

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 22:30 | 2009693 Conrad Murray
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Hmm, I was told Anonymous is just a bunch of script kiddies who meaninglessly deface websites. Is there moar than one Anonymous? How many cakes are needed to navigate a series of tubes?

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 23:33 | 2009759 seek
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There is more, lulzsec for example -- who are mostly script kiddies but seemed to have been enlightened.

The other issue is it's hard to know which are legit and which are government "Judas" hackers v. false flags.

The intel and hacking world gets complicated fast!

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 10:45 | 2010241 HamFistedIdiot
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I've read a number of your posts, seek. You're an intelligent person. I've heard Catherine Austin Fitts and Alex Jones describe "Anonymous" as a cut-out or a government op. Tarpley described a recent data dump from Wikileaks and how it served to legitimize expanding the Anglo-American war on the Middle East. And of course, no emails will be forthcoming from the inner workings of Mossad, the Soros Foundation, Gates Foundation, Lockheed Martin, Rothschilds, and other groups at the helm of the NWO Beast system. When "Anonymous" releases video footage of private blue blood snuff films, or real damning insider info from the private contractors and government agents who pulled off 9/11 then I'll know we're onto something. Nice that "Anonymous" threatens to disrupt the Iowa caucuses. Gives an excuse for the feds to come in and "help." Can't allow Ron Paul to win anything free and clear. Like you said, "Anonymous" is a mixed bag, a Guy Fawkes mask for anyone to don. You have to take each revelation with a grain of salt to determine what agenda it is advancing. Peace

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 22:27 | 2009694 scratch_en_sniff
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I just got the email from Stratfor; most of the companies listed would probably only have subscriptions with whats the big deal? GS reads Stratfor? well stone the fucking crows, who would have thunk it?

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 22:29 | 2009697 Tyler Durden
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And some "probably" have more than subscriptions. What is your point?

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 23:12 | 2009733 Mauibrad
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Tyler,  what did Stratfor do that attracted the attention of Anonymous?  

Sat, 12/24/2011 - 23:43 | 2009776 Hansel
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I was wondering that too, but the client list is a who's who of everyone in the world.  Wow, this is a hardcore hack.

Sun, 12/25/2011 - 04:04 | 2009978 StychoKiller
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I believe that Stratfor claimed that they were secure -- hubris seems to attract a crowd (of l33ts). :>D

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