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In 26 years on Wall Street, Nic Colas of ConvergEx, has worked for seven firms and reported to nine different people.  His insights make up a highlight reel of things those people have told him which have stuck in his memory over the years (for better or worse) and seemed worth sharing with a broader audience.  The most insightful: “Don’t make this game harder than it has to be.”  From the same boss, the most motivating: “Someone is getting the information before you.  Why don’t I fire you and hire them?”  On customer service: “What am I? A pimp?  Get me a black car.”  And possibly the most important for someone who makes their living serving the investment community on the sell-side: “Do you know what it means when a dog shows well?”


I have had the good fortune to make a living on Wall Street for just over 25 years, and during that time I have reported to nine different bosses.  All of them have held the reins with a light hand, but they all have at some point passed along some wisdom that has stuck in my head.  Today’s note is a compendium of their most notable sayings, with a brief explanation of the featured aphorism as well as a little context around them.


“We clean our trays.”

Like many investment professionals of my generation, I started during the great mutual fund boom of the 1980s.  My first job was in the customer service department of what is now one of the largest fund companies in the world, sitting in the mail room looking for checks from brokers to buy either a mortgage securities, small cap stock, or technology fund.  That was the extent of the offering at the time, which gives you a sense of how early the firm was in the development of its mutual fund offerings.


My first boss came out of the transfer agency world, and he spent most of his time on the road visiting the operations departments of our broker customers.  He was what we would now call an “Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder” neat freak, and the first thing he would do when boarding a plane was to check the cleanliness of his tray table.  If it wasn’t spotless, he would spend the rest of the flight worrying that the requisite airplane maintenance hadn’t been done properly.  His unofficial motto for our operation was “We clean our trays.”  We managed to stop him from putting that on the corporate t-shirts, thankfully.  The idea that little things matter did, however, stick with me.


“Do you know what it means when a dog shows well?”

After three years tending to mutual fund shareholders, including the 1987 crash, I went off to business school with an eye to getting a job in stock research.  At the time, the best sell-side firm for this discipline was the old Donaldson, Lufkin and Jenrette.  So in my second year of business school I ended up at DLJ’s offices in Manhattan interviewing with their head of equity sales.


I asked him what he looked for in a research analyst.  I expected to hear quantifiable attributes like deep fundamental understanding of their industry, or a real edge in accounting and financial modeling.  Instead, he asked me if I had ever been to a dog show.  I said yes.  He then explained that he was looking for people that “Showed well” – basically energetic presenters who enthusiastically engaged the client base.  I still embrace that message to this day, even though the canine comparison is a bit off-putting, to say the least. I never did get to work at DLJ – they ended up not hiring the year I came out of business school.  But this quote is too good to pass up, so I include it here.


“What am I?  A pimp?  Get me a black car.”

My eventual employer was First Boston, where I covered the auto industry.  One of the dirty secrets of the sell-side analyst world is that you spend considerable time tending to corporate management while carting them around to see clients.  Even the most laid-back CEO or CFO still likes to be treated well, and I learned that this means wildly different things to different people.


While traveling in Milan with one management team, the limo company sent us an old Bentley sedan in shining pearlescent white.  The CFO took one look at it, and asked if I thought he ran an escort service on the side.  He didn’t like the car, and even after a long flight from the States he was unwilling to ride in a conveyance unbefitting a U.S. corporate chieftain.  Half an hour and several frantic calls later, an ancient black Lincoln showed up (Lord knows why a Milanese car company has such a car) and all was good again.  But the lesson of “Know your customer” is a deep and occasionally unfathomable river, to be sure.


“You will make a lot of money, but you’ll be very unhappy.”

When I told my last boss at First Boston that I was going to a highly successful hedge fund, he shook his head like I was a puppy who had just soiled an expensive carpet.  “You won’t be happy there.  You are essentially a happy person.  You’ll be around very rich guys who are miserable all day long.  You are going to make more money than you can imagine, but you will regret this decision.”


At the time I could not fathom the notion that money and happiness were anything but happy bedfellows.  But he was more right than wrong.  I learned more about the markets and investing in six months in my new job than I had in nine years as a sell-side analyst.  At the same time, the all-consuming nature of the job fulfilled his prophecy.  Your job has to fulfill a whole range of personal requirements as well as pay the mortgage.


“Don’t make things harder than they have to be.”

“Early is the same as wrong.”

“I can make more money; I can’t make more time.”

“Some is getting this information before you.  Why don’t I fire you and hire them?”

All these quotes come from the same secretive multi-billionaire hedge fund manager who was my next boss.  What he taught everyone in the room was that information is only investable when it comes early and is different from what the market believes.  In that respect, managing money is a simple task.  Making this mandate more nuanced is a waste of time.  And more time is the one thing even a billionaire cannot buy.  Truly actionable information is hard to get, and it is the only job of anyone interested in running money.


“Dentist and doctors are lousy investors.”

After the hectic pace of the first hedge fund, I went to a second one, managed by a highly pedigreed value manager.  One of the deep dark secrets of the hedge fund world is that every manager needs two edges – how to manage money effectively, and how to get investors whose needs fit that investment approach.  Easier said than done, that second one, and in many ways just as difficult as the first.  His target audience was doctors and dentists, for he found that even the most accomplished medical groups were full of woefully incompetent investors.  My boss was not a smooth presenter for all his investment acumen.  But he came across as someone you could trust, and that was enough for his target investors.


The lesson here is that success comes in many forms.  Every hedge fund manager of any note has hundreds of meetings with potential investors on their way to their first $1 billion in assets under management.  The clever ones know that there are pockets of capital – some of them very deep indeed – that go under-serviced.  Who needs the smart New York based fund of funds when there is a successful dental practice in Islip with $25 million to invest or a group of dermatologists in Houston with $100 million burning a whole in their pockets?


“Everyone can be a real estate agent for one year.  It’s the second one that kills them.”

This last one comes from my current boss, and I am still surprised as to the number of circumstances to which this aphorism applies.  His point is that many businesses get off the ground with one trick.  For a real estate agent, it might be combing through their personal contacts for likely customers.  When they exhaust that pipeline of customers, likely with some early success, they have nothing in the bag to sustain the business in year two.


The underlying problem is one of competitive advantage, the most underappreciated challenge in everything from stock analysis to personal development.  Developing an edge as a company means finding your best advantages, honing them, communicating them to everyone from employees to investors, and forgetting everything else.  Can’t make more time, as the hedge fund manager boss told me.  As an individual, the lesson is essentially the same.  


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Sun, 04/15/2012 - 23:23 | 2347720 holdbuysell
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Can we just do this and get on with it?


Sun, 04/15/2012 - 23:31 | 2347734 tempo
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Unemployment rate in Spain 23.6%!!  Unemployment rate in all EU countries (ex Germany) are rising as fast as AAPL stock.  Something gotha give.

Sun, 04/15/2012 - 23:35 | 2347743 Colombian Gringo
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It is giving, we just need to pay attention.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 00:31 | 2347822 Oh regional Indian
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It's given. Already.

But it's such a beautiful mirage, we, collectively, cannot let it go!



Further Thoughts...

Sun, 04/15/2012 - 23:40 | 2347751 Stuck on Zero
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Unemployment rate in U.S. 22% (ShadowStats).  Our government is less honest.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 02:53 | 2347959 AnAnonymous
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Or both are as honest/dishonest and Spain's unemployment situation is worse than officially reported.

Hint: both governments are driven by US citizenism.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 03:22 | 2347968 Hobbleknee
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Mon, 04/16/2012 - 10:27 | 2348433 crazyjsmith
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Hey retarded Confucius(AnAnonymous), Cognitive Disonance is NOT an American invention. It is ingrained into the human spirit. Ever think it is you that lacks perspective?

As Yoda would tell you, let go of your hate, it is clouding your mind. Your droning drivel is getting old.

Collectivism (Chinese citenzenism) vs. Individualism (US citizenism) is what I would love to see you debate , A hole anonymous.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 00:24 | 2347815 Marc_W
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The bottom quintile in any highly optimized industrial society is completely worthless.  Between out sourcing, off shoring, H1B visa workers, and automation; the lowest quintile of society in terms of IQ and ability has no place in modern capitalist society.


Hence the hand outs via various welfare schemes that are essentially bribes to the lowest quintile to not commit crimes and otherwise burden their superiors with assaults.


The problems start when you extend these socialist welfare programs beyond the bottom 20% and start enabling otherwise capable persons to be idle, as is observed in Europe.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 01:01 | 2347854 bankonzhongguo
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Or bailing out bankrupt banks and other corporates.


Mon, 04/16/2012 - 08:05 | 2348114 Umh
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And bailing out bankrupt banks and other corporates.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 08:04 | 2348115 Ranger4564
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Wrong. The only reason some people end up at the bottom is because society is constructed / organized in a way that creates the immense disparity in means, methods and results.  Hence the Pyramid symbology.  You're not exceptional, you're just lucky you didnt fit within the lower quintile net.

Sun, 04/15/2012 - 23:43 | 2347759 CURWAR2012
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A top 10 movie

Sun, 04/15/2012 - 23:24 | 2347726 I think I need ...
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The fiat dollar leads to alot of productive jobs, a very loyal citizenry and free market capitalism at its best

Sun, 04/15/2012 - 23:35 | 2347745 SgtSchultz
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I recall "Work like nobody will for a year and live like nobody else can for the rest of your life"

Sun, 04/15/2012 - 23:38 | 2347746 derek_vineyard
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I would tell my qualified employees . "if i never talk to you, you know you are doing a good job"

Sun, 04/15/2012 - 23:37 | 2347749 tom a taxpayer
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What she said: “Early is the same as wrong.”

Ben Bernanke: “I can make more money; I can’t make more time.”

Cartagena lady: “Don’t make things harder than they have to be.”

Sun, 04/15/2012 - 23:43 | 2347752 dwdollar
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I'm fucking sick of the Wall Street "guru" who's seen the light routine...

It's easy to play the nice guy when you got fiat money spurting out your ass in retirement.

Let's hear some stories about productive people... Oh wait... They were destoryed long ago by the un-free market.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 00:17 | 2347797 Marc_W
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Correct.  Those struggling in the true private sector are too busy trying to make ends meet to get all philosophical about things.  Only those that are part of the fascist government-industrial system have the wealth, education, and spare time to really think things through.


So don't judge them too harshly.  After all, it is the consicenscious insider that often sees the flaws first.  Those on the outside don't have the information to really make a proper judgment of the situation.  From the outsider perspective (maybe a laborer or small farmer) in Nazi Germany even the SchutzStaffel (SS) must have seemed a legitimate construct.


In fact, perhaps with all of these banker/federal government whistle blowers it is time for the the sheeple to consider that perhaps our rulers do not have our best interests in mind after all.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 08:12 | 2348121 Ranger4564
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The people who work for HomelandSecurity (HS) surely feel equally justified upholding criminally immoral / illegal policies... i don't have pity for those who choose to weild power but don't reflect on the conditions they're imposing.  Fuck 'em.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 03:42 | 2347985 francis_sawyer
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 "I'm fucking sick of the Wall Street "guru" who's seen the light routine..."


Ditto... It's like some idiot Hollywood actor who sucked somebody's cock, became famous for some stupid role in a movie that nobody even went to, now wants to grace everyone with their political views...

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 04:50 | 2348008 slaughterer
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Most of these Wall Streeters who have since seen the light pine after a meaningful life building bridges, and saving lives in the ER...   Aww... silly little pups... don't they know that their industry eliminated all meaning from the world already a long time ago?

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 08:18 | 2348133 Ranger4564
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Maybe in a few more years, maybe, you will realize that "productive" is not a prerequisite for being considered a human being or for being allowed to express opinions.  It's all a corruption.  The economy was ever only meant to be a means of organizing social exchanges. It was not meant to be an avenue for exploitation, and it wasn't intended to be cherished in an of itself.

This article is sickening precisely because it reveals many people guilty of participating in the destruction of our humanity do not still understand their culpability.  The same can be said for many of the readers. 

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 09:24 | 2348254 Vendetta
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So very true.  I always found it strangely odd that in order for someone to 'build a nest egg' for retirement it was so heavily promoted to invest in a plethora of 'diversified portfolios' because the money a person earns devalues so much during a person's working life that they have to invest in something that returns enough so their money doesn't become worth so much less they cannot retire comfortably.  Then the markets are manipulated or controlled or driven into sector bubbles where private equity funds and the other beasts out there makes a killing then get out before the crash  and the average worker saving for retirement gets their clock cleaned in their 'diversified' portfolio's. 


Sun, 04/15/2012 - 23:40 | 2347753 Atomizer
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Basel's monstrous regulatory mistake 

Learn the collaspe crisis game spun.... 

2007| Basel II Impact on Operational Risk 

T3 minus, T2 minus, T1 minus... Tits in the media will shelter your mental exposure.

Sun, 04/15/2012 - 23:52 | 2347766 Mentaliusanything
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Dentists and Demitioligists with that much profit to invest. 

Obummer is going to have a hard time reigning in these cowboys of overcharging 

I mean really --- $100 million from skin conditions, fuck no wonder your insurance is bloated.

Time for a very sharp knife to cut away the fat thats milking the system.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 01:01 | 2347852 Raymond Reason
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Funny thing about dermatologists.  Hydrogen peroxide taken orally will solve all skin conditions including skin cancer in two weeks, and would put them all out of business.  It would also eliminate the need for periodontists.  But we have to make this game harder than it has to be. 

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 01:16 | 2347869 Havana White
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"Skin conditions."  Haha.  Dope.

Sun, 04/15/2012 - 23:54 | 2347769 FrankDrakman
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Thought provoking and enlightening. Thanks, Tyler.

Sun, 04/15/2012 - 23:54 | 2347772 Caviar Emptor
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Many U.S. Immigrants’ Children Seek American Dream Abroad

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 00:09 | 2347791 Marc_W
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I'm a native born U.S. citizen whose family lineage on both sides can be traced back hundreds of years to Europe.


I have served in the U.S. military, with all the access to information that implies.


I am leaving this country within a matter of months and moving to the "land of my ancestral heritage", never to return.  The U.S. is now a fascist totalitarian police state.  The merger of state and corporate power is complete.  See Freidrich Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom" to understand exactly where America is at this juncture.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 00:34 | 2347813 Mercury
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By all means, saddle-up the unicorn.  Europe awaits! - where the money is sound, the spreads are tight and the demographics are so pretty.

Where the fuck are you going...Camelot?

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 00:36 | 2347824 Marc_W
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Still debating between Europe and Australia.  On the one hand Australia is a part of the Anglo global empire and its fate is thus tied to all other anglo nations (US/UK/CA/AU/NAZ - the Five Eyes of Echelon).  Not to mention Australia is a more advanced police state than even the U.S.  On the other hand, I am a native English speaker with job skills (and a financial need to work) relevant to the Anglo world.  However, it is clear that the E.U. respects the rights and privacy of its citizens far more than any of the Anglo nations.  All members of the Anglosphere are high-tech surveillance based totalitarian regimes.  I would not raise a family in the Anglosphere because my children would end up as slaves just like their father.  However, as a non-family oriented person parts of the Anglosphere are still attractive areas for relocation (primarily Australia for a variety of reasons).


Most likely I will take 6 months off of working to burn my $60,000 in credit cards to travel around Australia and Europe before choosing.  Obviously that $60,000+ in credit card debt will never be repaid.  That is the plan.  I hope the banks choke on it.


I've already begun running up my credit cards and making minimum monthly payments.  The plan of escape from the North American gulag is already in its execution phases.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 00:37 | 2347829 Mercury
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Is this Timmy Geithner?

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 07:04 | 2348052 Iconoclast
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Lol..quality stuff..

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 00:43 | 2347835 Dingleberry
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sounds like a plan! But I'll don't think you will find more liberty in either of those places having spent much time there. In fact, quite the opposite. And you can forget about free speech. And prepare to send half or more of your wages to the Queen or the German ECB. Good food and skinny bitches though.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 02:57 | 2347905 Marc_W
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Free speech is an illusion of the fascist American police state.  Just one more "constitutional right" that the fascist American police state has flushed down the toilet.  Sure, you can nominally say whatever you wish, but all telecommunications are monitored for dissenters and dissenters are put on watch lists whereupon their telecommunications and financial records are monitored for abberations.  So just how "free" are you?


Just free enough to hang yourself with with the short length of rope that your masters have allowed you.


I will exercise my "free speech" via TOR and other technical anonymization techniques because I realize that in the high tech surveillance based police states of the Anglosphere "free speech" is only as free as you can make it via technical anonymization means.  A person like me as is free in communist China as he is in fascist America.  You sheeple cannot comprehend my statements because you do not understand just how far down the fascist road your anglo nations truly are.


You and your children will deserve your fate when the time comes.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 00:54 | 2347844 Lednbrass
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Good luck. In Europe you will never fit in. One does not become German or French, you either are or arent. You say your ancestors come from there- do you speak the language of whatever country you intend on going to fluently? Unless you are recent enough to have family over there, you arent going to be welcomed as some returning cousin.

I think you will find very little support.  When things unwind as they inevitably must you will be an outsider, have no illusions on that.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 01:06 | 2347857 Raymond Reason
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He won't fit in with the natives, but ex-pats usually hang out with other ex-pats. 

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 01:10 | 2347863 Raymond Reason
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But as far as the credit cards.....there is such a thing as karma.  Its gonna get the bankers, and it will knock you right on your head. 

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 02:12 | 2347928 Marc_W
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"What goes around, comes around."  Right?  Sheep?


That is the morality of the slaves.  You believe in some kind of magical divine justice while those who reject your slave morality trample you into the dirt all your pathetic lives.


Are you one of those stupid cunts driving around in a shit-mobile with a bumper sticker that says, "my Mercedes is in heaven"?  Fucking pathetic.


Slave morality.  There is no karma in the sense that you imply.  And in the REAL sense of the Buddhist use of the word "karma" I see no possible down side from running up massive credit card debt and skipping the country.  You act as if I haven't done my home work.  Oh but I have.  And my 800 FICO score didn't build itself.


And the banks can go fuck themselves once I burn this credit on my world tour and then refuse to pay.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 03:21 | 2347967 dogbreath
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been her 9 whole week and ya pegged us to a T

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 01:13 | 2347865 Lednbrass
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And if things get ugly and those nations destabilize (which looks increasingly likely), they will all hang together in a very literal sense.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 02:02 | 2347914 Marc_W
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I never "fit in" to the zealous Zionist American fascist police state either.  From the day I decided the Baptist lies I was fed as a child were bull shit through today, I've never "fit in" with the Anglo sphere's totalitarian fascist police state.  I love neither the NFL nor Jesus, so just how much do you think I "fit in" with Americana?


Given my IQ and capacity for learning, I'm sure could master a second language relatively quickly.  However, you are correct in that it would present a moderate challenge.  And after scoring in the top 3% in the English and writing sections of the GRE, why throw that away to become mediocre at a second language?  If all I want to do is live a hedonistic life while refusing to breed the next generation of slaves then it is optimal for me to move to another principality of the global Anglo empire that is slightly less of a fascist police state than the U.S.


And so it shall be.  I will have plenty of pop corn stock piled while I watch American descend into chaos and burn from over seas.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 03:29 | 2347973 dogbreath
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You will always be "here".  lots of people think thant things are better "over there" but when they get there they will be "here".   You sound kinda young, still in that rebellion against my mother/father phase.   No doubt there is lots of BS to sort out in life.   I'm still doing it.   Good luck and I hope you find what you are looking for.  You are not smart by running up that debt on your credit cards.  IT will follow you.  The only ones who will win that game are the ones that will die oweing the debt and the esate is broke. 

I think there are lots of decent jobs in alaska or the yukon where you could save up some cash to achieve the same end, IMHO.  


Mon, 04/16/2012 - 04:30 | 2347996 stacking12321
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"Given my IQ and capacity for learning..."

not to mention your modesty, humility, and your obvious charm & charisma which cause you to be univerally loved by all!

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 09:42 | 2348285 Vendetta
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I already did such a 'plan' except for the run up CC debt part.  It wasn't all that pleasant even though I was living in some beautiful islands and the snorkeling, beaches, and rain forests were awesome.  Ended up leaving and coming back to fascist amerika.  Intelligence makes little difference, the culture(s) are a stronger force.  Decided it was easier to be anonymous in huge country where there are 300 plus million, and I know the culture despite the govt state having gone rogue.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 00:57 | 2347848 skepticCarl
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Sounds like you've thought this through, and have a solid plan.

I suggest that you look for a country that doesn't use a central bank, or fractional reserve lending.  Also, search for one has a gold backed currency.  Hopefully, you'll find a country that respects the right to firearms, as well.

I don't see any downside to your future!

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 02:08 | 2347923 Marc_W
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In a nation devoid of savage brown people firearms are not a necessity of life.  While I currently own many firearms and possess the capacity to use them effectively, in a non-violent, homogeneous white nation they would be unnecessary.  It is the savagry of blacks and other mud people that necessitates the ownership of firearms in America.  Check the violent crime rates of white nations and get back to me on that.


As for the rest, these are issues "above my pay grade."  You arm chair philosophers and economists need to accept your own irrelevance.  You can rile against central banks, fractional reserve lending, and fiat currency all you want, but you are still slaves to the system.  I acceptr that.  Hopefully someday you will to.  Instead of burying your life's savings in silver somewhere on your pathetic 2 acres of land in some shitty part of America that nobody else wants to live in.


You sound like another of the "doomer boomers" that is going to be dead soon.  If you're over the age of 50 your opinion really doesn't matter.  You'll be dead soon enough while I will be feasting on wine, fine food, and pussy in Australia over these next 30 years.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 02:18 | 2347935 Likstane
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I think you will be as miserable there as you are here, especially after your credit cards go flat and your "marketable skills" and monster IQ get you as far as my shitbag Cadillac on 2 gal of gas. 

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 02:52 | 2347958 Marc_W
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I guess we'll see.  At least I am trying to do something to escape the totalitarian fascist American police state while you arm chair Doomer Boomer's sit around whining about it on the internet like the pathetic sacks of shit you've always been.


You complain about problems while I identify them and attempt to produce solutions.


My problems are thus:


1. the U.S. is full of illegals and negroids

2. the U.S. is a fascist totalitarian police state


My solutions are thus:


1. Leave the United States forever


What the fuck are YOU doing?

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 02:53 | 2347960 AnAnonymous
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A US citizen who gets his US citizen priorities right...

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 06:11 | 2348020 Revert_Back_to_...
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I thought we were US Persons and that includes Resident Aliens who swore in writing under penatly of perjury that they weren't subject to Backup Witholding?



Mon, 04/16/2012 - 06:15 | 2348034 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:

A US citizen who gets his US citizen priorities right...

I can't argue with that.



Mon, 04/16/2012 - 06:46 | 2348042 _underscore
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All the best on your quest MW, but I'd suggest (like one of those fight Club rule thingies..) you don't tell anyone or broadcast these intentions. The best disguise & ticket to ride is boring anonnimity. I don't believe

you can stealth yourself with any technology (TOR etc.)  & that those concepts/ideas in fact are just other deceptions. Everything form of communication we use, futher than a whisper, is a postcard.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 07:24 | 2348064 Ayreos
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And that's why you develop a code for every single person you need to share valuable information with.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 07:48 | 2348100 merizobeach
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Let's not forget that at this point, in the perspective of the folks reading here--whether they are sheeple or not, agree with you or not, or think you'll eventually do as you say or not--you're all talk.  You have a 'plan' to move out of the ole USuckAss, but so do many people, who've said they've 'planned' longer than you have.  Until today, you're still a USuckAss-ian, still participating in the problem.  Get back to us when you've successfully made your transition--or don't, but at least then you'd have a measure of credibility.  And by the way, if you were a member of the military, wouldn't that have made you one of the most acute aspects of america's shitty effects on the world?

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 09:44 | 2348295 Vendetta
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You forgot the problem that you don't have much money.  Bye

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 01:07 | 2347856 Mentaliusanything
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Go live in Tasmainia - and Island that can feed itself, speaks English, housing cheap , people wealthy and they killed off all the natives in the beginning. Other than that NZ but you have to learn to speak "rugby"

And if your going to burn the banks Buy a big ocean going Yatch 0% down and give them a teaser rate buy paying the first monthly payment using their own card, and in 2months your well into the South Pacific - you would be hard to find in the 120,000 bays and estuaries of the South Pacific. Think of it as a movable feast.

May not be a bad move.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 08:10 | 2348119 TwoJacks
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you'd be better off burning your cards ands staying here off-grid.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 06:50 | 2348044 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Mercury said:

By all means, saddle-up the unicorn.  Europe awaits! - where the money is sound, the spreads are tight and the demographics are so pretty.

Where the fuck are you going...Camelot?


(As in Munchkins and Emerald City, not Koalas and Adelaide.)


Mon, 04/16/2012 - 00:47 | 2347840 MrButtoMcFarty
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Fuck all that....I'm moving to Austin at the end of the summer.


I want be in TX when the shit goes down.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 01:16 | 2347868 Raymond Reason
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Right.  20 million third world sports fans. 

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 04:41 | 2348003 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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Hell Yeh! Thats where you want to be if you want some action!...

I live in Bordeaux, France...dull

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 05:30 | 2348018 Overflow-admin
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Hey Marc, where the hell are you going? Do you expect your "land of your ancestral herigage" not becoming a fascist totalitarian police state? If yes, please elaborate and name the country, I'm interested in moving ;)

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 07:24 | 2348059 Kokulakai
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Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 08:22 | 2348137 Ranger4564
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Sadly, this being a GLOBAL crisis, tjere is nowhere to go. You can run but you can't hide, so you might as well join the fight now, to minimize the violence to the utmost minimum.  Wait longer and the likelihood of gross violence grows exponentially. 

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 09:47 | 2348303 Vendetta
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Right again Ranger.  The fiatsco's will be going down together like the domino's in my movie.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 00:03 | 2347783 Marc_W
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What I learned in my first year in my first real job:


Appearances are everything.  Reality means nothing.  If you aren't cheating, you aren't trying.  The best liar always wins.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 00:13 | 2347795 OldPhart
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What I learned in my first year of my first real job.

Be on Time.  Wash your hands frequently.  Get all the shit off the bottom of the pot.  How to core lettuce.  Make sure the customers are having a good time.  Goats will eat almost anything, chickens will eat the rest.

Age 11, Dude Ranch Cook's Assistant

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 00:18 | 2347801 Marc_W
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I don't consider that a real job.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 00:43 | 2347837 Lednbrass
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It sounds like you shuffled either paper or electrons...thats real?

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 01:26 | 2347877 OldPhart
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Really, getting a paycheck doesn't constitute a real job?

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 01:30 | 2347881 Lednbrass
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If you didnt have to tote your iGizmo in a manbag to keep your hands free for your morning latte, I get the feeling he wont see it that way.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 01:28 | 2347879 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Tiny bubble you're living in there...

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 00:50 | 2347843 MrButtoMcFarty
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I suspect you thrived.


Mon, 04/16/2012 - 04:41 | 2348005 sheikurbootie
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You have no clue how hard it is to obtain a work permit in a foreign country.  Unless you have an employer lined up or multi-millions to invest, you're only allowed a short term visitors visa in most countries outside of the US.

You certainly don't have a good plan on escaping anything.  Australia sucks btw, I lived and worked there for 3 years.  As far as pussy, good luck with the Aussie "ice princess" .  Australia has tiny small population and the ratio to tourist to citizens is 1-20.  That's a lot of tourist.  How many good looking Aussie girls are there, not very many.  How many will give you more than the time of day?  Even less.

I'll bet you go travel a bit, run up those credit cards and end up back in the US will no job and an arse load of debt.  You'll be a slave to that debt.  Good luck with that one!


Mon, 04/16/2012 - 10:24 | 2348420 RKDS
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That is the lesson that the world of work seems to be teaching anymore.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 00:19 | 2347793 Mercury
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Beware the culture clash:

Room full of new parent company VIPs (and at least one woman)

Boss's big PowerPoint presentation is not working and now he's on his hands and knees trying to force-eject a CD-ROM from his computer while barking at IT guy via speaker-phone. Frustration mounting.

IT Guy: Is the paperclip in?...stick it in all the way...there's a catch that you can reach but you have to put it pretty far...

Boss: (angry, loud) Goddamnit! I'm in balls-deep here!...and nothing’s happening!

Female VIP: (quietly, to colleague) Once this is on our platform, our sales team will be...

VIP Colleague: (barely audible, eyes closing) Yes...yes...


Mon, 04/16/2012 - 00:22 | 2347810 jack stephan
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Trust bosses, employees ? I don't even trust my family or bosses who they say are family (Ha Ha).  As days progress, you become a hermit because over time bottom feeders come out, resentful, bitter and diseased. Supposed well wishers that grow pushy in contact or some emotional meltdown.  Blah blah blah  Go full siege over very small and petty things just like work.  Family members act like they just so happen to know youre name and number, you are low hanging fruit, something for cherry picking or name dropping exploitation. Again just like work.

I quit homo earth, you had a 30 year pepsi fucking challenge and you failed in spectacular fashion, even with do overs, generous do overs.  I like me now and trust my judgement above all else,  Jobs can drink a tall cool glass of chihuhua piss.  Even if I fail a lil bit, I still better than at least 80 percent of 7 billion. 


Sorry Rant off, go back to caviar, or shitty caviar, or anything, I like olives. Later zh, If you cant spot the weakest in the room, youre probably it.  Dont wake up to kneepads too.


Mon, 04/16/2012 - 00:24 | 2347816 tony bonn
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so now muppets have a face - dentists, dermatologists, and doctors

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 01:03 | 2347855 Calculated_Risk
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"fake it till you make it."

From an incompetent boss that lied to get his position.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 02:16 | 2347931 Marc_W
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If you aren't cheating, you aren't trying.


Is there a special place in the soup kitchen line for the honest man?  A special place in the grave yard for the ethical man?


I think not.  All ethics are derived from slave morality.  These mores and ethics exist only to enslave the common man and stifle his action.  Meanwhile the enlightened man rises above slave morality and acts in an optimal manner for his own self interest.




Fucking laughable.  Your slave morality makes me laugh so hard.  Endure your pathetic lives here on Earth, while waiting for some illusory reward in "heaven."  Imbecile sheep.  You deserve to be raped by the bankers and your other superiors.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 03:01 | 2347961 StychoKiller
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Dr. Faust had a good advisor, named Mephistopheles.  You should read his story:

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 03:37 | 2347982 malek
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Another Nihilist trying to find encouragement for his views on ZH... <facepalm>

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 03:39 | 2347983 dogbreath
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we've had some trolls here before but have we ever had a certifiable sociopath.  I am not an expert though, anyone else??

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 04:39 | 2347998 stacking12321
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he comes across as a sociopath, but he really isn't one, he's trying too hard to come across that way.

if it were for real, it would come naturally.

a real sociopath isn't really aware of his own sociopathy.

the fact that this one is, tells me that it's a fake.

not that he isn't entertaining, though, i give an A for effort.



Mon, 04/16/2012 - 07:26 | 2348071 BandGap
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First, you have to believe that he believe's what he is saying. I view his comments, without viable substantiation, as wishful thinking. In fact, I found myself wandering down the path with him.......for a short while. Then a collective reality set in. To actually pursue this path takes quite a bit more planning than is being expressed here, not to mention a ceratin amount of buy-in from the natives, as expressed before.

Sigh, I am a slave to the trajectory of my own life. Not so much the house or the job but to my own children. I will make the best plan possible and gut out the future as the home team, on my own turf. At least I know where the high ground is.

But it was a nice daydream while it lasted.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 09:10 | 2348227 Lednbrass
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Whose "slave morality" are you blabbering about? Your response is a total non sequitur. If you dont have an alcohol or drug problem, youre off your freaking rocker.

You read Nietzsche, wow like omg u r so kewl. So did I and so have lots of others. When you feel the need to spend time on the internet telling people how awesome you are you arent the kind of man he was talking about, much less to- just another Last Man who is a bit more narcissistic than most.

Zarathustra down from the mountain you ain't.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 09:52 | 2348313 Vendetta
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You sound like you really got what it takes to be a banker.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 01:17 | 2347870 evolutionx
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Facts about Poverty!


1)      47.8% of households that receive food stamps are working, because having a job is not enough to keep them out of poverty.

2)      The number of people on food stamps has increased by 20 million over the past five years. 

3)      10 million more Americans fallen below the poverty line since 2006.

4)      About half of all Americans are now either living in poverty or are considered to be low income.  So is America a "wealthy" nation?

5)      The number of children living in poverty in America keeps rising year after year. The %age of children living in poverty in the US increased from 16.9% in 2006 to nearly 22% in 2010.



Mon, 04/16/2012 - 01:45 | 2347891 vato poco
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Nice quotes & pretty good lessons from da Bosses, there, Nic. Lucky fucker. Every boss *I* ever had never once told me anything more memorable than, "I know that's completely opposite of what I said yesterday, just do it, OK?!?"

I'm thinking the ratio of good/decent/wise/teach-you-stuff bosses to standard-issue shit-for-brains empty suits must be about 20 to 1. I guess I musta just crapped out - maybe that's why Dilbert is so popular.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 02:03 | 2347912 connda
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Boss man sounds like a total ass.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 02:24 | 2347942 wisefool
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"Let them march, as long as they pay their taxes."

Al Haig >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ZH/Einstien/steve/jobs

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 03:05 | 2347962 silverdragon
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Don't know how well the racist rant thing will work down under, Aussies are all pretty well travelled and most grew up in a multicultural society that functions, so don't need to blame the immigrants, especially as almost every Aussie or their parents or grandparents is an immigrant.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 03:14 | 2347964 Bubble
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Haha. Yeah, Aussies are rarely racist. Just ask the wogs, abbos or slap heads.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 03:32 | 2347975 Overflow-admin
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This is a little out of the subject, but I think it's important:


Mon, 04/16/2012 - 04:35 | 2347997 gs_runsthiscountry
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"When your competitions boat is sinking, you don't throw them a life ring - you throw them an anchor"

Apply that to the natural gas industry the past 3 years and you know whats been going on.


Mon, 04/16/2012 - 06:46 | 2348037 NuYawkFrankie
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Re Don’t make this game harder than it has to be.

You will make a lot of money, but you’ll be very unhappy

.... blah blah, blah

Geez... these fortune-cookie cliches are supposed to be words of wisdom gleaned from over 26 years on Wall St ???

I can only assume the author is pulling our collective leg... failing that - what a freekin nitwit! LOL!!!

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 07:10 | 2348055 _underscore
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I agree.  These aphorisms/soundbites sound the same level of sophistication as the ingenue teenage girl falling in love with Keats after the  1st high school English class - everything becomes so clear. I believe though, the author is genuinely sincere in the belief that these are rules of life to savour over a malt whiskey & beside a crackling log fire - but that just makes it even more jaw droppingly naff.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 08:53 | 2348181 wkwillis
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One problem with moving to Europe is that you can't fit in with the natives unless you are one. Can you imagine the child of a Hungarian becoming President of France? Only people with good, red blooded French names like Sarkozy are welcome there.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 09:55 | 2348324 ZackAttack
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Everyone feasts on the medical profession.

My experience in vertical medical systems in the 80s and 90s was that you sold them via the BSD approach: "Wow, that's interesting.... We just sold the midrange system to Dr. X's practice across town."

Almost always, he'd order the big Kahuna by the end of the week.

Mon, 04/16/2012 - 11:26 | 2348629 Sleepless Knight
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I had an Engineer from India as my boss long time ago. He tried to be one of the gang and use american lingo. My 2 favorites were:

"He told me that on my face", and

"6 of one 12 dozen the other".

Nice guy, but we laughed a lot!

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