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The "Sunday Bazooka" Dud: Complete European Council (Lack Of) Conclusions... And Libya Scapegoating

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Remember this from Sarkozy on Wednesday: "If there isn't a solution by Sunday, everything is going to collapse." Well, judging by the "conclusions" just released by the European Council, everything is about to collapse, because the only "solution" reached is the following: "The death of Muammar Gaddafi marks the end of an era of despotism and repression from which the Libyan people have suffered for too long. Today Libya can turn a page in its history, pursue national reconciliation, and embrace a new democratic future." This is a statement written by the Golum on the left in the picture below.

But at least everything else is taken care of:

Determined action is necessary to maintain financial stability, restore confidence and support growth and job creation. The G20 should approve an ambitious action plan containing specific commitments and measures from all G20 countries to respond to the  serious challenges emanating from the current economic slowdown and to ensure strong, sustainable and balanced growth while implementing credible fiscal consolidation

But, but, didn't the G20 itself say eight days ago, "in unusually direct language, say they expected an October 23 European Union summit to "decisively address the current challenges through a comprehensive plan"."

So the latest plan to avoid doing anything is to keep throwing the live grande between the EU, the Council, the G20 and the IMF with hopes it explaodes in someone else's hands?


Below is all we are going to get from Europe today. There will be no statement.

Cons Ilium


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Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:32 | 1801986 Smithovsky
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Remember this from Sarkozy on Wednesday: "If there isn't a solution by Sunday, everything is going to collapse."

Sarkozy meant neeeeext Sunday... yeah, not this one... everyone misunderstood...

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:37 | 1802013 sunnydays
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Wow, didn't know the European Council had an "All seeing Eye" as it's emblem.  Pretty dang obvious.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:49 | 1802063 john39
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yeah, but only crazies think the elites are conspiring to enslave us...  /sarc off.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:03 | 1802093 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Yup, only crazy people wonder why all Presidents since Nixon (Ford, Carter, Reagen, Bush, Clinton, Bush) have gone to the Grove's retreat.  Only crazies discuss the Scull and Bones invention that is the C.I.A. after the WWII coup that Brown Brothers, Hariman (Presided at the time by Presscott Sheldon Bush) launched via funding the Nazi party directly.  Only crazy people discuss the fact that the Rockeeller Trust is involved in Bildeberg and the CFR, not to mention the White House and Senate.  Only crazy people have noticed that the Federal Reserve uses monetary policy to the bequest and for the benefit of the Major Banking Houses, while the same Banking Houses launder drug money and give the execs million dollar bonuses.  Only crazy people see the Congress has not voted in the intrest of the country for centuries, and that Congressmen and Congresswomen are much wealthier than the status quo, not to mention that many in Congress have been practicing illegal acts as often as Al Capone.  It is only crazy people that see the US has been in constant war since WWII and never wins a war, but only destabolizes other States.  Only crazies see how the Banking Houses fund the Military Industrial Complex to lay wate to the status quo to bring about a, to quote a President, "New World Order".  Only crazies.....

"A thousand points of light...."


Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:06 | 1802102 Motley Fool
Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:17 | 1802134 Waffen
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Hanlon's razor is ridiculous and the fact that some people point to it as some kind of law of physics is just beyond my ability to comprehend.


Stupidty does not remotely explain the complete and utter destruction of all that has been good in America and free market.


The Reece Committee findings from 1954 are the smoking gun that everyone has forgotten.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:49 | 1802223 Motley Fool
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I didn't offer it as scientifically rigorous, but it is a good rule of thumb.


Obviously you have never heard of the law of compounded stupidity, which makes sense seeing as it does not exist.


If however it did exist it would say something like :

The stupidity of any individual in a organization compounds to form the overall organizational stupidity. :P

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:57 | 1802239 Oh regional Indian
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At least stupidity is excusible.

Wilful ignorance is not.

look at that reptilian in th epicture. And no, I'm not talkign Gaddafi.


Visible Destruction

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 14:28 | 1802306 Manthong
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Libyan expedition and expenditures were a resounding success.

There are no gold dinars to value the Euro, the dollar and oil against as they look for an "ingenious way of providing capital where capital does not exist"*

*Ben Davies

PS: If Iran wants to light a fire under that Twelfth Imam and get him here quick, they had better get cracking on that gold exchange they have been talking about.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 15:48 | 1802463 malikai
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Put on the damn glasses!

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 17:02 | 1802599 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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The Federal Reserve Corporation, and its proxie Banking Houses, want a gold standard, because they "have" all the gold.

But they don't want it yet; not just yet.

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 00:48 | 1803462 Harlequin001
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What is the point in 'having' all the gold.

If you 'have' all the gold it has zero use as money...

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:58 | 1802242 Abitdodgie
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Don't forget every president since JFK has been related to the royal family. In fact 32 out of all the presidents have been related , O yes and all prime ministers of the UK are related , wow whats the chance of that.

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 00:50 | 1803468 Harlequin001
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So Edward Heath is what to Tiny Blair? Great grand uncle fourteen thousand times removed? illegitimate son, grand son? just wondering...

Where does Disraeli fit in?

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 16:27 | 1802539 earleflorida
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you forgot to mention the 'mad-shredder', ollie 'baby north' of the border, south,... who held-up in clinton's  gov. mansion while the heat cooled down from traveling back-n-forth from near-by 'ap' backing-up the off-loading goods,... this would be u.s. senator -  

and ya wonder why the world opens their arm's to the great liberator's ?

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:57 | 1802237 navy62802
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Yeah, I saw that. Pretty creepy.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 16:27 | 1802536 Randall Cabot
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Only 12 stars though?

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:38 | 1802016 Earl of Chiswick
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and on the death of Moammar Gadhafi this excellent article from a Canadian mainstream  news outlet:

The future of the Arab Spring?

Everything died with him.  And this is what is barbarity.  This is not civilization.  I’m saying look at what they are doing to black Africans in Libya.  They’re shooting them on the street.  Look at what happened in Egypt.  They’re killing Christians.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:59 | 1802086 Lord Welligton
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Read it. Confirms my fears.

I still can't get over Hillary Clinton's reaction.

There is something very dark at the heart of this.

I think no one is safe.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:10 | 1802120 cossack55
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Safe? Shit. No one has been safe since THEY killed JFK. Fuck safe.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:12 | 1802124 buzzsaw99
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I disagree. I can think of a thousand other "world leaders" in desperate need of the mussolini treatment.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:22 | 1802140 Lord Welligton
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We will have to agree to disagree.

I just don't see this in a hopeful light.

I would like to think it is but I fear the result may be worse than what preceded it.


Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:37 | 1802185 Zero Govt
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yes every 'leader' (bwankers puppet) in the Western hemisphere could do with a little Mussolini magic-ending... President Obumma is less popular than the total shambles, George Bush. Eaton socialist David Cameron is less popular than the riseable Edward Heath that sold out Blighty to the European Union. Van Rompuy and burrusso are both un-democratically elected Marxist weasels who noboddy would recognise on a polling form and same goes for the entire streets of unelected crones at the UN, IMF, World Bank, BIS, EU Human Rights Courts, NASA, weather bureuas, CIA, FBI, Judges and ....etc 

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 06:15 | 1803655 Mentaliusanything
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When you have a Vacuum you have a large problem.

$8 Billion in modern weapons are now in the hands of the Libyan - weapons they were never allowed by law  - Libya  has always been a tribal nation and now you have a problem.

Who kept them apart for all those years, who disarmed them, who socialised them with bribes funded from oil revenues. Well he is dead, a subject of a war crime.

Much like Sadam Hussein who chained the Sunni and the Shiites and kept them on a leash, kept them apart and stopped them from tearing each other apart. Gadaffi used dictatorial fear and oppression to do so. IT worked now it is a vacuum. a well armed and aggressive vacuum.

I give them 6months and then you will understand that the first caveman to pick up a club had leverage. That gave him power and position. nothing has changed except now there is no consequence for Murder and uprising if you hold the gun.

His son admitted as much Sunday in a state television address. "Unlike Egypt and Tunisia, Libya is made up of tribes, clans, and alliances," Saif al-Islam said, warning of civil war if the tribal fabric breaks down. Indeed, Libya is considered one of the most tribal nations in the Arab world.

"In Libya, it will be the tribal system that will hold the balance of power rather than the military," Feb 24th 2011

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:27 | 1802144 FinalCollapse
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Buzz- I second that. The world is better without Gaddafi, It is called revolution - and the despots die terrible deaths. Remember Romania in 1989? None sheds a single tear after Nicolai Caucescu. These despots need and deserve to die, and the more violent death the better. They earned it. There is no law during revolution.  Revolution is the law.

The Arab Spring may lead to violence against other ethnic groups - so we may regret helping them.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:47 | 1802207 Zero Govt
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"we may regret helping them"

Are you supporting the American effort in Libya then? 

Paying your tax $dollars to support the US's meddling in other countries, picking sides? Do you know which side is right in Libya? What are you still doing in Afghnistan do you know?

And regards "may regret" is that like shoulder shrug, "We fucked up (again), huh sorry" type regret having murdered thousands of civilians?

Keep paying your taxes twatface and sponsoring murder, mahem and anarchy across the globe with your fab' collection of pathalogically deranged human scum at the Dept of Defence in Washington, CIA and meriad other lunatic agencies your taxes fund... wouldn't want anything heavier than "regret" to spoil (spill) your Starbucks and wake you out of your zombie stupour

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:47 | 1802214 Hansel
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This wasn't a revolution.  This was regime change instigated by the U.S. and NATO.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 16:36 | 1802561 Randall Cabot
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Gaddafi refused to do the bidding of the Rothschild-centered global banking cartel in 5 areas:

A Gaddafi-Centered African Union With A Common Currency Here & Here
A Gaddafi-Run Central Bank Of Libya Here
A Gaddafi-Holding Of 150 Tons Of Gold Here
A Gaddafi-Run Libyan Oil Industry Here
A Gaddafi-Run ‘Blue-Gold’ Water Reserves Here

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 01:08 | 1803482 Harlequin001
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So here's the bit I don't get. One minute everyone's queing up to have their photos taken shaking hands with him and the next the fucking blokes dead. WTF

Maybe there was just some unforeseen and urgent need for some spare gold to be moved to another Latin country that's just armed its populace not with iPads and the right to complain over the internet but with RIFLES...

Whichever way you look at it, there will soon be no where and no way to complain without global revolution on a massive scale,  because there is no way that what's coming will be acceptable to the masses.

The PTB are shutting you down as surely as they tried to shut down the offshore investment industry so that they could tax you and bail out the banks. Even if you manage to take over an entire country in revolution the rest of the world will at minimum keep you contained there until others join the frey. If Libya is in chaos it cannot possibly have a voice in world affairs. Such will be the case with every country that refuses to comply with the global ponzi. Total collapse is the only outcome now, unfortunately.

It's not like we didn't see this coming. It's not like there was ever any other possible outcome when you think about it...

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 14:14 | 1802280 tickhound
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Your post reeks of mainstream headlines... Its a terrible drug and it makes you stupid.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 19:06 | 1802892 cranky-old-geezer
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Let's hope you too receive an early end to your miserable existence for your incredible mind-boggling gullibility (and stupidity?).

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 17:15 | 1802636 Eally Ucked
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No, you're wrong. We should not kill anybody just put them on the bottom of the society to try to survive, let them be kicked, spit on, bitten, and be the life pariahs. It's worse than few hours of fear and then nothing (especially that for most of them not many years left), let them live and experience joys of life, let them have that excitement of living like shit, and their families should experience the same.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:23 | 1802141 Hansel
Sun, 10/23/2011 - 14:04 | 1802254 CharlieSDT
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Wow, she's really put on weight.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 14:22 | 1802296 Zero Govt
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she's always had a fat mouth running on a pathalogically deranged pea sized brain far back as i can remember

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 01:14 | 1803496 Harlequin001
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Lewinski looks quite attractive by comparison...


Sun, 10/23/2011 - 15:16 | 1802406 Use of Weapons
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The remix is going viral (with added Starwars for the geeks)

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 17:18 | 1802644 madmax1965
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Thanks Hansel!  I had not seen that.  what a complete piece of shit she is!  A fat one at that!

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 16:30 | 1802547 Randall Cabot
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The transitional government leader Mustafa Abdul-Jalil set out a vision for the post-Gadhafi future with an Islamist tint, saying that Islamic Sharia law would be the "basic source" of legislation in the country and that existing laws that contradict the teachings of Islam would be nullified.

"This revolution was looked after by God to achieve victory," he told the crowd at the declaration ceremony in the eastern city of Benghazi, the birthplace of the uprising against Gadhafi began.


Sun, 10/23/2011 - 19:20 | 1802911 cranky-old-geezer
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And hundreds (thousands?) of mind-boggling gullible morons here on ZH praise our government assasinating (more or less) Gadhafi, who brought enourmous life style improvements to the Libyan people, and wasn't killing blacks and "christians" and other ethnic groups. 

They praise and applaud the senseless killing of the good guy, and now they bitch about Islamic extremists taking over Libya.

[sigh] Some poeple are just to stupid and gullible to live. 

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 19:44 | 1802957 DosZap
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And HELLARY, is Warning IRAN...........a 2Fer!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:39 | 1802022 spiral_eyes
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the word on the street was rumpuy wanted to pursue fiscal integration? 

obviously schaeuble laughed him out of the room.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 14:09 | 1802088 e2thex
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Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:07 | 1802107 cossack55
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I wasn't aware that Sarkozy is related to Harold Camping. Huh. Who woulda thunk. 

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 14:16 | 1802288 dracos_ghost
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Vote down!


Remember this from Sarkozy on Wednesday: "If there isn't a solution by Sunday, everything is going to collapse."

Sarkozy meant neeeeext Sunday... yeah, not this one... everyone misunderstood...


I heard the translation was whacked, he said "If there isn't a solution SOMEDAY, everything is going to collapse". Complete hedge. Masterful.


Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:31 | 1801988 yabyum
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And they are sitting on a lake of swell oil!

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:53 | 1802074 Zero Govt
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yes and Italy and Spain have been sucking on that Libyan lake of oil for decades ..legitimising the rebels and their undue haste to keep the oil flowing is one of the most remarkably skewed 'civil wars' i've ever seen!

It's like trying to depose the US Govt and fly the flag in every press conference to the world you'll keep baking buns and burgers at McDonalds ...these revolutionaries have all the hallmarks of Ronald McDonald that's for sure

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:13 | 1802128 cossack55
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Did you not also find it rather strange that the first action of the "rebels" was to form a central bank.  When they were being pushed back to Benagzi, they form a central bank. Sure.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 14:33 | 1802317 knukles
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And the second thing was to announce the sale of Gold from Lybian reserves to cover "administrative salaries and weapons purchases" just about at the same moment the Venezuelian Reptile starts repatriating it's gold (got physical?) and Tripoli falls?

Nah, coooooooooooooooooooooooooincidences.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 17:52 | 1802750 Eally Ucked
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Really, and why he is reptile? just info for uneducated.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:05 | 1802100 Zero Govt
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yes and Italy and Spain have been sucking on that Libyan lake of oil for decades ..the Wests haste to legitimise the rebels and the rebels undue effort to keep the oil flowing is one of the most remarkably twin-headed (two-faced) 'civil wars' i've ever seen!

It's like trying to depose the US Govt while in every press conference announcing to the world you'll keep baking buns and frying burgers at McDonalds ...these revolutionaries have more the hallmarks of Western backed Ronald McDonalds than men on missions like Castro

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:31 | 1801990 Clueless Economist
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I was at OWS New York City yesterday and this is my honest impressions of what I saw and from speaking to the protesters.

They are 90% under the age of 25.  The other 10% are mostly aging 1960's hippies.

They are 90% white with the other 10% black/hispanic.  No Asians or Indians were seen.

They are 70% male and 30% female.

Judging by those I spoke to and the signs, they are 75% democrats and 25% socialists/marxists. 0% republicans, 0% conservatives.

They are hardcore left with a few other causes thrown in (police brutality/repeal drug laws/long live Che etc)

There were 0 Anti-Federal reserve signs.  There was 1 sign mentioning Ron Paul (Ron Paul/Barney Frank for president/vice president)

I will be posting more specifics and a link to Photobucket of the 151 photos I took.  There were more onlookers and the curious taking photos than the protesters themselves which numbered about 200.  I got the feeling it was a zoo, with the cops on the perimeter acting as zookeepers and the average folks like me taking photos of the animals who were more than happy to oblige.

This OWS/99% is complete and utter BS.  Nothing good is to come out of this.  I predict it will peter out when it becomes colder rather than devolve into violence.  The overall impression I got was it was a bunch of stoned slackers out to have a few weeks of fun giving the "Man" the finger.

One last thought...It was a lot cleaner than I thought it would be with 0% urine and feces (though all the restaurants in the area were crowded with stoned freakish looking youngsters waiting their turn to wash up in the rest room.

This is the truth of what I saw and experienced at OWS 10/22/11.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:51 | 1802021 Smithovsky
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Close to what I expected.  Poor, misguided, stoned-off-their-ass souls.  Most of them are absolutely clueless about the causes of the mess we're in but don't have anything better to do so why not vent some anger at scapegoat du jour. I wish they'd get their act together and get their asses to DC.  Makes me sick to watch them recording on their phones while intentionally provoking the police and then shouting "shame" when the police try to do their job of restoring a bit of order.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:46 | 1802208 Ahmeexnal
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You forgot another statistical data from the OWS:

95% are consuming drugs

5% are selling drugs to the other 95%

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 14:39 | 1802327 Smithovsky
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The fact that 1) one of the participants made a video and a site dedicated to "hot chicks of occupy wall street" and 2) seeing how much attention this is getting says everything one needs to know about the movement

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 15:16 | 1802405 Clueless Economist
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oh and there were 0% hot chicks

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 17:57 | 1802763 Eally Ucked
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Obviously you are Clueless.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:47 | 1802023 vast-dom
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The fact that any of these protestors can be stupid enough to align themselves with any poltical party exposes them as clueless. To say you are a Dem AND protesting is to essentially support Wall St. 


What fucking idiocy!  (75%+ idiocy as per above, to be precise.)

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:51 | 1802066 Piranhanoia
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Truth through your eyes, is subjective to your interpretation and your cognitive bias. Since you went to the zoo to see animals, that is what you saw. 

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 14:53 | 1802206 Smithovsky
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Pot calling the kettle black.

You are assuming that he went there to see the animals and not with an open mind.

Not likely, I know, but just sayin...

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 15:23 | 1802419 Clueless Economist
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Yes I did go with some preconcieved notions.

I was right that it was a small group of stoned white left wing youngsters.

I was wrong about how clean and organized the area was and how they were not argumentive at all.  They were just happy to sit there with their signs and smoke dope knowing they were safe in the interior of the park. 

I was wrong about how happy they were to have their photos taken by the "straights" onlookers and the curious who were laughing at how naive the protesters were.

The cops were as I expected...bored off their asses, but happy to be pocketing all that taxpayer funded double time.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 16:55 | 1802583 tickhound
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"straights"  LOL.  I know you mean 'women with big hair.'


"Where's all the lefty anti-war protests now that Julius Obama is in office?"  

 - Go home anti-war movement... Its easier to hate you when you protest during a Republican administration.

"The lefty dope smoking crowd..."

- Go home dopers... it is an illegal narcotic and you wouldn't want to get arrested doing something so morally wrong.  You are keeping the privatized prison system from being bored off its ass.  Quit smoking pot and that taxpayer funded double cellmate bonus would take the 'hit.'  Want to make a difference?  Write your congressman.

"They're all white..."

- We're supposed to hate the 'diversity is necessary' movement, and you are ruining this platform as well.

"They are naive..."

- We all anticipated worldwide discontent and unrest.  But your message should first be vetted by the Austrian school.  THEN, upon validation....

"Unemployed sponges..."

- Although you have the time, and regardless of why, if you're unemployed you should not be protesting.  Only people that remain employed should be heard, and only on the weekends... cuz we work.


Give it a rest, dude.  People are pissed and that includes the left... And some are actually there in spite of Obama.   

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:59 | 1802083 Shash
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I await the photo album link! 

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:03 | 1802095 bankonzhongguo
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This OWS is a simple method to undercut and control any organized political dissent coming from "the Left."  Just in the same way the "Tea Party" got co-opted by Dick Army and the Republicans, so too has this controlled "protest" been hijacked by Soros, Ad-busters and the limousine liberal "Marxists" that are in fact corporatists seeking an unfair advantage in the marketplace of ideas.

There are some real fellow travelers inside OWS that were hired by the State Department to destabilize various governments going back to the Balkan wars and other color revolutions lead by the NED. Do your own research in this department, because you have to come to your own terms with this outbreak of Amerikan political indignation being Kabuki theater.

You will generally find that all those lemmings standing around with their frappuccinos waiting for their student loans to be forgiven are in fact inside a political cul-de-sac thanks to some top tier political strategery.  Add a little lame stream corporate propaganda media and its all a 'pig in a poke.' Come Spring, watch as OWS, SEIU and ACORN merge into Obama brown-shirts targeting whatever its corporate masters want.  Worse yet, if Obama gets killed by his own people...  that same force will be used to call out the National Guard.

'Springtime for Obama and Amerika...'

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:14 | 1802122 Lord Welligton
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This is the truth of what I saw and experienced at OWS 10/22/11.

Thanks for your truth.

I can't understand why you had so many reds.

People must think you are lying.

You do have some "opinion" let them argue about the opinion.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:29 | 1802153 newbee
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The "reds" rightfully reflect the marxists who troll through ZH.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 14:18 | 1802291 Schmuck Raker
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Excuse me.

Are you plagiarizing Quixotic_Not, or is he plagiarizing you?

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 15:30 | 1802433 Schmuck Raker
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Oddly enough... I posted the same question in reply to Quixotic_Not's post which has since disappeared completely.

And, "Access Denied" is all I get at his/her profile page.

My apologies to Clueless Economist, if offense was taken.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 14:39 | 1802328 Mr. White
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I was there yesterday too and think your demographic estimates are off. I'd say at least 20% nonwhite (and definitely one or two Indians). The crowd was definitely older than that -- I'd say 50/50 are over/under 25 years old-- though for those sleeping there it probably is pretty young, although there were plenty of grizzled homeless-looking dudes. Pretty much everyone I talked to was a Gen Xer like me. I talked to almost entirely women there -- I'd say 60/40 male/female to 50/50 split.

You might be right about the political leanings of most of the people there, but anarchism deserves particular mention. I'd guess a fair portion would consider them staunchly independent as well.

Anyway I was there in the late afternoon. Perhaps that might explain our different perceptions. Perhaps I didn't distinguish as much between the gawkers and the protesters themselves, but the fact of the matter is if you're down there in the park you're a participant and adding to the protest, even if minimally. 

Neither of our observations is scientific -- here's an online study that is more so --

Again, to my eyes there were many more non-whites at OWS in New york.

I'd say the protest is likely to endure -- as Bloomberg said when his planned cleaning of the park didn't happen -- now it's goign to be a lot harder to do it. The principle reason that it will likely endure, at least in New York and some other big cities, is that what you see as BS -- the hippy rhetoric, the alterna-youth, the sing-a-longs, the inclusion of fringe political causes, are all the cultural and community elements that most people are actually concentrating on when they are there. Sure there are poltical discussions, but pointed political action is secondary to the more nebulous efforts to build a sustainable movement. Also, the police seemed much friendly and relaxed yesterday than they were in previous weeks, though there are certainly plenty of them around. There are also tents up -- which the police weren't allowing before. 

Finally, I think it's too bad there aren't more anti-fed, RP, anti-big gov't people there, because there needs to be a trans-partisan anti-corruption push. But culturally, it might be like mixing oil and water, or Tea and Patchoulie oil at your Party...


Sun, 10/23/2011 - 15:50 | 1802470 Clueless Economist
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I was there 10AM to the demographics may have changed slightly by late afternoon.  Did you include all the young white guys sleeping?  That demo was 100% white  I will be posting photos, and I think you will see the ratios I encountered.


Mon, 10/24/2011 - 03:58 | 1803608 AnAnonymous
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There was also plenty of light haired people at the protest.
From the link
On a personal note, I have noticed plenty of both at the park and the marches.


To support the claim, a pic with two negroes out of 17 people. Come, maybe three.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 21:57 | 1803203 mjk0259
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Were you able to steal anything from them this time?

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 10:29 | 1804178 Clueless Economist
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Just a few books from the library and a very small potato from the pantry

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:31 | 1801991 Conrad Murray
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Allahu Akbar

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:13 | 1802127 Shvanztanz
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Allahu Akhdar

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:40 | 1802190 Ethics Gradient
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It's a trap!

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:31 | 1801992 Vuvuzela
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Those guys are crazy. They should be in a Hospice serious

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:32 | 1801993 rocker
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Shouldn't this be extremely bullish with the Bernanke Backstop.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:58 | 1802240 CrashisOptimistic
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There is none.  If there was one, he'd have gone full retard QE3 at the last meeting.  He can't.  The bullets are gone and he won't get majority support from the Board.

The Chairsatain is only one vote on the Board.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:32 | 1801995 bigwavedave
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Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:59 | 1802244 Zero Govt
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so not scary with that avatar

nice tits BTW

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:36 | 1801996 vast-dom
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I'd have to fire up the crack pipe, drop major LSD tabs and pop some E at the same time and just maybe I'd feel much more aligned with this utter venal dispicable mendacity before I flashed and tripped and saw this horror-show for what it really is only to get a bolt of The Fear and want nothing more than to dissapear -- this shit is absolute vile moist rotting bananas! But instead of getting high I'll remain a most cynical and astute observer and market-shorter.





Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:33 | 1801998 LawsofPhysics
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On a positive note, I do like the bit about "reducing the administrative costs", providing that this means kicking all of those that have been in charge to the fucking curb and the unemployment line.  Hopefully, the captains are willing to go down with the ship.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:48 | 1802053 DeadFred
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Sadly not. Merkel was overheard saying to her aide "Hans you're sure my portfolio is well hedged, correct?" just before she headed home.

No real politicians were harmed in the filming of this comedy.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:34 | 1801999 Fukushima Sam
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Gaddafi was a typical indigenous leader, similar to Geronimo, and his fate was similar.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:17 | 1802132 cossack55
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Possibly, but it still takes guts to shake hands with your executioner.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 14:06 | 1802260 Zero Govt
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it was one un-elected despot shaking anothers... it's a small club but been growing like cancer for 30 years under the 'leadership' of out of control and bloated 'democratic' Govts everywhere

and we all thought to look out for an obvious Hitler figure... what we didn't see was all Western Govts would breed 100's of the obnoxious little buggers and sit them behind 100's of Govt desks at Environment, Health & Safety, Financial Regulation, Judiciary, Customs and Homeland Security, Dept of Energy and Dept of Defence


Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:34 | 1802001 Quinvarius
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The population of that country is about to know what being screwed by bankers is all about.  They can kiss all the free perks based on oil profits they got under Kadaffi goodbye.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:36 | 1802010 dwdollar
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Yep. Fucking dumb-asses.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:55 | 1802229 Ahmeexnal
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Libyan soccer team will be allowed to play the eurocup. That will keep the sheeple happy.

And yes, the ECB will print trillions of euros in exchange for Libya's gold/oil/water...because Libya will spontaneously adopt the euro as currency.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:40 | 1802027 The Big Ching-aso
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And don't forget the implementation of Sharia Law enhancing their new democratic freedoms.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:19 | 1802136 cossack55
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The US could use a little of that Sharia action in the form of no-interest loans for non-bankers. Just sayin'.  Tho the NTC might overlook that part of the laws in favor of their new CB.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:59 | 1802243 Ahmeexnal
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Sharia no-interest loans have been in effect in the US for months. Bernanke has kept 0% interest.

But Bernanke's sharia 0% loan does not apply to infidels (non-bankers).

Same as the moslemite sharia 0% which does not apply to non-moslems.


Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:35 | 1802007 dwdollar
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WWIII here we come.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:46 | 1802046 RafterManFMJ
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WWIII here we come.

Sahhh-weeeeet!  I'm stocked, locked, AND have stadium seating. Need to order more Potassium Iodide for the barter goods bin.  Welcome to BarterTown, bitchez!

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:21 | 1802138 cossack55
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Don't forget the tobacco seeds.

To paraphrase the Freak Brothers

"Tobacco will get you thru times of no food better than food will get you thru times of no tobacco"

One may insert the monkey of their choice.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 14:22 | 1802297 RafterManFMJ
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Or repreatedly insert in a choice, Brazilianed Monkey.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:36 | 1802008 PaperBear
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Life in Libya with Leader Gaddafi

1. Electricity for household use is free,

2. interest-free loans 
during the study, government give to every student 2 300 dolars/month

4. receives the average salary for this profession if you do not find a job after graduation,

5. the state has paid for to work in the profession,

6. every unemployed person receives social assistance 15,000 $/year,

7. for marriage state pays first apartment or house (150m2),

8. buying cars at factory prices,

9. LIBYA  not owe anyone a cent,

10. free higher education abroad,

11. 25% of highly educated,

12. 40 loaves of bread costs $ 0.15,

13. water in the middle of the desert, drinking water,

14. 8 dinars per liter of oil (0.08 EUR),

15. 6% poor people,

16. for each infant, the couple received $ 5,000 for their needs.


Oh yes, Gaddafi’s Libya was a thoroughly brutal place. That was sarcasm by the way.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:48 | 1802059 LawsofPhysics
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Post Gaddafi;  Just another country of debt slaves.  The banks must be drooling all over themselves now.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:52 | 1802070 john39
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yeah, and the IMF will give them a wonderful loan so they can contract with countless NWO cronies for "reconstruction"....   the only solution, the ponzi must die.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:52 | 1802069 RafterManFMJ
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#@!!#@, I missed my chance to move there, and now it's gone.  Why is it that those good states with no debt slavery who begin talking about a gold standard and moving away from the petro-dollar are always the ones to die violent, bloody deaths at the hands of Noble Nato?

Ole Qudaffi was such a Demon and a threat that he shook hands with all Western 'Leaders' and managed to rule for some 40+ years.  Yup - sure glad we got him. Now I can leave the house at night without packing my Mossberg. 

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:23 | 1802142 cossack55
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Oh-oh. Someone has been doing his homework. Naughty, naughty.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:03 | 1802091 adr
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and without the oil money the people would recieve 0% of that. If life was so great why was Gaddafi overthrown? 

Do people deserve money for doing nothing? I guess you expect the government to provide a great life for everyone.

Just like a great dictator you throw freebies to your supporters to keep yourself in power while brutally destroying any opposition. Hmmm I'm thinking Obama just wishes he coul line up every Tea Party member against a wall.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:06 | 1802104 karzai_luver
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If life was so great why was Gaddafi overthrown?


Why for freedom , of course. Yet as we all know Islamic terrorist don't support freedom.


Sun, 10/23/2011 - 15:54 | 1802475 Island_Dweller
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Do people deserve money for doing nothing? I guess you expect the government to provide a great life for everyone.


The money came from oil sales of Libyan oil.  As a sovereign nation the oil belongs to them so they should benefit from its sale.  "The governent" isn't giving them anything, it is just managing their wealth (and I'm sure it takes its fair share of graft).


Sun, 10/23/2011 - 22:06 | 1803222 mjk0259
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US citizens don't get anything from oil production except for a few people in Alaska. US produces more oil than Libya and lots of gold, silver, etc - much of it on land owned by the federal government or offshore which is not private property.



Sun, 10/23/2011 - 16:00 | 1802099 tired1
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According to JP, the Colonel threw out most of the jews in '69.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:08 | 1802110 uno
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Very good article about Libya and the Lockerbie bombing, Libya did pay 2.7 billion settlement, but was that just a bribe to move on.  Part of it is below:



DID THEY CATCH THE RIGHT MAN? Since the announcement back in 1991 that the main suspects were Libyan, suspicions have been raised suggesting that the targeting of Libya was more out of political necessity than culpability. 

Critics of the trial suggest that those responsible were Palestinian terrorists acting on behalf of Iran, with Syrian support. Indeed, the German link in the investigation does suggest Palestinian involvement. The argument goes that Iran wanted attack the US in a pre-meditated response to the attack which occurred earlier that year when US warship USS Vincennes, in July 1988, shot down an Iranian passenger plane over the Persian Gulf, killing 290 Iranian citizens. It has been suggested that Libya – already out of favour with the West – was the scapegoat due to the political necessity of the time which meant that the UK and US governments needed the support of Syria in 1990/91 for the invasion of Saddam Hussein’s Iraq in the first Gulf War.
Claims that the wrong man may be behind bars were given further weight in 2002 when it emerged that a leading Palestinian terrorist Abu Nidal was reported to have admitted that he had been responsible for the attack. 

In 2008, speculation surrounding the trial continued when the UK Foreign Secretary David Miliband signed a public interest immunity certificate, which was held up by the Lord Justice General, Lord Hamilton, forbidding the release of secret papers that Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi’s lawyers believe would have exonerated him. 

There have also been questions raised surrounding the validity of some of the evidence used in the trial, particularly around one of the key witnesses, Maltese shopkeeper Tony Gauci. Gauci was so crucial to the prosecution case because he identified Al-Megrahi as the person who bought clothes from his shop which were packed into the suitcase along with the bomb, effectively pointing the finger at Al-Megrahi. However, when the trial finished it was later claimed that Gauci was offered as much as $2 million from the United States to give evidence, raising significant questions of how legitimate his evidence could be. 

Claims that key witnesses at the trial were bribed - The key prosecution witness in the Lockerbie bombing trial was allegedly offered a $2m reward in return for giving evidence, raising fresh doubts about the safety of the case.
Lawyers for Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi, the Libyan convicted of murdering 270 people on board Pan Am Flight 103, have evidence that detectives investigating the bombing recommended that Tony Gauci, a shopkeeper from Malta, be given the payment after the case ended.

Mr Gauci's testimony at the trial was crucial to al-Megrahi's conviction. 

20 years have now passed since the tragic events unfolded over Lockerbie in December, 1988, devastating a community and destroying hundreds of families worldwide, but still many questions are left unanswered. Due to the complexity of the investigation and the political machinations involved, perhaps we will never know the answers to these burning questions; however, one thing is certain, Lockerbie will always be remembered as one of the worst tragedies to have taken place in the latter half of the twentieth century, and the lessons learned by aviation experts and airport security never forgotten.


Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:34 | 1802178 newbee
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I think it was more his active support of global terrorism and slaughtering anyone who disagreed with him that got him in trouble more than his social programs, don't you think?

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 19:56 | 1802948 cranky-old-geezer
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See my comment above.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:36 | 1802011 PaperBear
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NATO purported to be using white phosphorous bombs in Libya (video uploaded TVZNETonline is GRAPHIC)

“If true, it would be a clear violation of Article 2 of Protocol III of the Convention on Certain Conventional weapons:

"Any weapon or a munition which is primarily designed to set fire to objects or to cause burn injury to persons through the action of flame, heat, or combination thereof, produced by a chemical reaction of a substance delivered on the target."


Libya : NATO war crimes charges - Fuel Air Explosive

“1,200 civilians have been murdered by NATO in Bani Walid, where prohibited weaponry has been used. One of these weapons is the so-called poor man's atom bomb, namely the FAE bomb, or Fuel Air Explosive, which is a horrific demonic weapon designed to burn all the oxygen in a determined area, suffocating all living beings within its radius of operation. The source says this weapon has been used in Bani Walid, Tarhouna, Khomse, Misrata and Sirte, among other theatres.”

“set up a base in Africa to recolonise the Continent after Colonel Gaddafi helped to free it.”


Sun, 10/23/2011 - 20:04 | 1802999 smiler03
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The Pravda article you cite was written by Timothy Bancroft-Hinchley. I suggest you read more of his "articles" and learn more about his style of so-called "Journalism". To describe him as an asswipe would be a compliment.

Just saying.       

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:36 | 1802012 Belarus
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Looking at the MSM websites, they all conclude that Sarkozy concludes the banks need to shore up liquidity sooner now, on completely bullshit accounting. Therefore, expect the market to melt-up this week even though there has been absoltely nothing....nooooottttttthiiiing to ringfence in the problems. 

Expect October to produce the first 30% gain in histroy. 

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:39 | 1802014 Randall Cabot
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Sarkozy Says Talks Progressing on European Banks, Greece  

Euro zone talks are progressing well on banks and the European Financial Stability Fund, and progress is also being made on Greece, French President Nicolas Sarkozy told a press conference on Sunday.



Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:49 | 1802043 Randall Cabot
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Merkel, Sarkozy optimistic

German, French leaders say European Union nations are on track to agree on a debt-crisis bailout plan at their Wednesday summit.

Van Rompuy: 'Good progress'


Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:57 | 1802080 Belarus
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This is exactly right, Randall. You just have to follow the MSM internet websites and all other portals if you want to make any fiat money.....ZH focuses on mathematical truths, and almost alwyas intermediate and long-term spot-on direction, but also on what is exactly NOT being said to the population at large RIGHT NOW.

So, we'll read that it's popcorn time and all is going to collapse THIS week but the opposite is surely to happen. Every outlet sands ZH is very bullish on the Sarkozy statements, which measn the ALGo's aren't going to SUDDENTLy reverse course at the EUR/USD continues to ramp.

Therefore, expect massive run again this week. It won't fall apart until all the rumors and band-aids start to falll of the great Monster Debt Dam in the REAl economy.

Until then, expect some massive rally this week, the week after, and so on until even the MSM portals can't possibly come out with a single ounce of bullish bullshit. In fact, the worse the news is on ZH, the longer one should get. 

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:38 | 1802018 PaperBear
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Occupy Vancouver answers "Where does money come from?"

At 7m35s the guy says ‘by labour’- ding, ding, ding. We have a winner.

At 11m30s the lady says ‘I don’t think anybody knows, I’m not sure I know’ and ‘I think the banks just print it out of thin air’

The host asks her ‘Did you know that governments borrows money it has the right to print ?’

The lady replies ‘No, that I didn’t know, why would they do such a stupid thing ?’- ding, ding, ding. We have another winner.

At 13m50s the guy says ‘money is created through debts … all fiat money … to be paid off later’ - ding, ding, ding. We have another winner.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:40 | 1802024 PaperBear
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On 4th January 2011, a periodic review of the United Nations General Assembly of Human Rights Council, decided to bestow on Colonal Muammar Gaddafi, and the Libyan Jamahiriya, an award for his excellent work in human rights. The award was to be presented in March 2011. For the actual document (

“1977 the People’s Authority had been declared.” – you will note it does not say Gaddafi’s authority. So, only 8 years after Gaddafi’s coup in 1969 he really did relinquish authority. I have to ask, where is the despotism ?

In 1988, the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya had issued the Great Green Document on Human Rights, which provided that all human beings were born free and equal, with no difference between men and women.

Protection of human rights was guaranteed in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya; this included not only political rights, but also economic, social and cultural rights.”

Article 5 promoted the right of expression of every person. This right had been enshrined in the Code on the Promotion of Freedom, which, in its article 8, stated that “each citizen has the right to express his opinions and ideas openly in People’s Congresses and in all mass media, no citizen is questioned on the exercise of this right unless this has been abused in a way that prejudices the People’s Authority or is used for personal interest, and it is prohibited to advocate ideas and opinions in a clandestine manner or to seek to disseminate them through force, temptation or terrorism”

Article 17 of the Promotion of Freedom Act stipulated that society forbade penalties that undermined the dignity of a person and inflicted physical harm or material injury.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:40 | 1802025 Vuvuzela
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Some idiots financed (you guys know who right lol /sarc) Lenin and woops Soviet Rusia was born.

Now the same idiots finance EU and they want a new Experiment

All should unite and take the guillotine from storage, lube it and start working with it

Im sick of those parasites

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:40 | 1802026 Ivanovich
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I expect EUR/USD will open in a few hours and breach 1.40.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:57 | 1802082 DeadFred
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You took the words out of my mouth. That report is enough for a pop in Bizarro World

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:40 | 1802031 PaperBear
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NATO Murders Libya for a Lie

“French filmmaker Julien Teil’s incredible film, “The Humanitarian War in Libya: There is no Evidence,” lays out very clearly the truth behind the mountain of lies manipulated by NATO to justify its attack on Libya. In the film, the director of the Swiss-based Libyan League for Human Rights, Soliman Bouchuiguir, emerges as the key individual who initiated the UN action against Libya.”

“Finally, without a bit of shame, he flatly states, “there is no evidence.” “

Is Soliman Bouchuiguir going to suffer any sanction for lying about fictitious crimes against humanity ?

Unfortunately, there is far too much evidence to indicate that these supposed rebels have engaged in crimes against humanity. I would therefore expect there to be a United Nations Resolution against the NTC but of course there will never be any such resolutions will there ?

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:41 | 1802035 PaperBear
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The fact that British taxpayers funds, under fraudulent pretenses, have been used by NATO to bomb schools, universities, hospitals, water infrastructure, electrical infrastructure, telecommunications infrastructure, I have to ask am I an accessory to crimes against humanity because that is what these are ? As I am a man who obeys the law should I surrender myself at my local police station declaring that my taxes have funded NATO’s crimes against humanity and terrorism ?


Sun Tzu quote (Chinese General and Author, b.500 BC): ‘All war is deception’ - the only thing is that this massive deception has been perpetrated on the general public.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:42 | 1802037 PaperBear
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Libya's Great Man-Made River

Rivals and even surpasses the world’s greatest development projects. Britain is nothing like a desert and yet bans on watering by hosepipe are regularly imposed.

Gaddafi, the supposed despot, could have embezzled into personal Swiss bank accounts the $85 billion that the GMMR cost but no he did not and back in July NATO wrecked parts of the pipeline and wrecked the Brega factory, killing some of the civilian personnel, that serviced the pipeline. This has guaranteed a humanitarian disaster.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:42 | 1802039 PaperBear
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“Libyan Rebels” Create Central Bank, Oil Company

“The Gadhafi regime’s central bank — unlike the U.S. Federal Reserve, which is owned by private shareholders — was among the few central banks in the world that was entirely state-owned. At the moment, it is unclear exactly who owns the rebel’s central bank or how it will be governed.”

You would have to be naïve to think that the global empire of private central banks has not just been expanded to include Libya.

Both interest-free loans and debt-free currency in Libya has now become a thing of the past – we should welcome Libya into a world drowning in debt.

The owners of the global empire of private central banks will also benefit at the expense of the Libyan people and the people inhabiting the whole continent of Africa.

Libyan money will now not be invested into the African Union (1) the independent African Investment Bank based in Tripoli (2) the independent African Monetary Fund based in Yaounde, Cameroon (3) the independent African Central Bank based in Abuja, Nigeria. $42 billion between the AMF and the ACB.

Independent from who you might ask ? The global empire of private central banks owned by the world’s mega-banks, that’s who.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:43 | 1802040 PaperBear
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RussiaToday: 'Gaddafi death an omen of tribal war & mob rule in Libya'

“when the Pentagon started training these activists and secretly arming the insurgents back over a year ago even.”

“an investigation into the civilian deaths caused by the NATO bombing.”

“the civilian deaths that have taken place from the NATO bombing, not so much from Gaddafi’s activities or Gaddafi’s troops, that according to eyewitness accounts from journalist friends of mine has just been horrific.”

“A bunch of gangsters are running Libya.”

“When the U.S. pumps a billion dollars of arms, CIA, Special Forces training into these so called rebels, I wouldn’t call them revolutionaries.”

These supposed rebels are actually mercenaries beholden to external parties so it should come as no surprise that the Libyan people will continue fighting these supposed rebels regardless of Gaddafi being alive or dead.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:02 | 1802090 Randall Cabot
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Real Story on Libya here:

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 14:49 | 1802345 Randall Cabot
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Gaddafi refused to do the bidding of the Rothschild-centered global banking cartel in 5 areas:

A Gaddafi-Centered African Union With A Common Currency Here & Here
A Gaddafi-Run Central Bank Of Libya Here
A Gaddafi-Holding Of 150 Tons Of Gold Here
A Gaddafi-Run Libyan Oil Industry Here
A Gaddafi-Run ‘Blue-Gold’ Water Reserves Here

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 04:03 | 1803613 AnAnonymous
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the Swiss-based Libyan League for Human Rights,


Human rights activitists are US citizen front soldiers. They have instrumentalized human conditions to push further US best interests.

US world order.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:44 | 1802033 karzai_luver
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HillRod aka dronequeen : "We came We saw He's DEAD!"


Let that be a lesson(still don't get it then you deserve it) to you ragheads, dance with the devil but he takes payments in lives. bitchezzzzzzzzz.


You can't make a deal worth the paper it was printed on with a criminal ponzi war-monger.


These christ followers never forgive or forget.


Only Obomber and his queen HillRod could make Daffy a victim.





Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:41 | 1802034 Matt1973
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Wow...CNBC and Bloomberg reporting that everything is A OK...with lots of progress made this weekend?

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:45 | 1802045 marcusfenix
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the worse the reality is the louder the propaganda gets in a vain attempt to drown reality out.

we've been watching this happen for a year now in DC...

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:08 | 1802109 tickhound
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Bulls on parade.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:44 | 1802041 Segestan
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Democracy in Libya = Mob rule. Gadaffy met the mob.. a bullet to the head.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:45 | 1802044 tim73
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The goal is clear. Keep on talking and issue new complex and boring BS statements and wait for either USA or UK start really crashing. Then the bond sharks will go away :)

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:46 | 1802049 Nate H
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this is increasingly Orwellian....

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:59 | 1802078 marcusfenix
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the man called it...almost dead on...

who would have believed 1984 was a warning, a clear vision of what was to come?

yet here we are living his novel...

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:46 | 1802050 dick cheneys ghost
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No Fly Zone=Regime least we got that cleared up.......

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:48 | 1802054 vegas
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Money talks, morals walk.

Dantes levels of hell are too good for the rat politicos of Europe.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:48 | 1802057 Elwood P Suggins
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The death of MuMu Gadfly was murder.  Maybe if this solution was applied to the silly dorks in the EZ then it could turn a page in its history.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:48 | 1802061 apberusdisvet
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Is the Lybian gold already in a Rothschild vault?

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:59 | 1802064 RiverRoad
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Tossing a grenade around?  What's needed here is a financial atom bomb to wrap this thing up.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:05 | 1802097 DeadFred
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They're called credit default swaps and they've already been delivered. Tick, tick, tick...

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:51 | 1802068 apberusdisvet
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BTW:  it is obvious that the gubmint trolls don't like the truth told about Lybia; note the thumbs down.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:58 | 1802079 karzai_luver
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One can know for certain that when SarLozy and Obomber agree that the fix is in then the death machine will be used to enforce the "world order" and woe be to any that fall into that "world order".


What a pair of scumbuckets.


Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:53 | 1802072 Piranhanoia
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Ja, Ja,  everything is great in Libya now that we can't do anythihg about keeping our little buddy MoMo in power.  He did so many nice things for us,  torture, rendition, bribes.  Damn we'll miss him.  Every time they speak they remove themselves from humanity by another degree.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:03 | 1802094 robertocarlos
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In three months Libya will be in all out civil war.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:12 | 1802114 karzai_luver
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and war is good for biz , we all know that. and army runs on oil. we all know that. and U.S. needs to protect "the world's oil supply" and we all know that! and Islamic terrorists now have a "safe haven" we all know that.



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