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Is Syria Near The Tipping Point?

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The encroachment of yet another troubled nation into global geopolitical (read US implicitly) strife, this time Syria, appears to be intensifying further. As Sabah notes today, the CIA Director David Petraeus paid a surprise visit to Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan yesterday. The topics of discussion were 'regional issues' but it was evident from concerns voiced about the instability in Syria and Iraq giving the PKK (Kurdistan Workers' Party) terrorist organization a stronger foothold (a group which has been a source of tension between USA, Syria, Iraq, and obviously Turkey before - whose 'undeclared war' with Syria was a direct response to the countries assistance to the PKK). Seemingly stuck in the middle, Erdogan warned of "the potential crisis that could develop in the region due to the sectarian strife in Iraq" and underlined his concerns of events in Syria. One can only wonder at the strategic positioning that the CIA Director's surprise visit achieved, since the published agenda seemed so calmly diplomatic, and for what reason the ninety minute visit was so spontaneous.


CIA Director pays Erdogan a surprise visit

Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan hosted a very special surprise guest yesterday, one that had not been included in the Prime Ministry’s official schedule.


Erdogan held an approximately one and a half hour meeting with CIA Director David Petraeus, who had arrived to Ankara the day prior. Joining the meeting was M?T Undersecretary Hakan Fidan and US Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. According to an announcement released by the U.S. Embassy, "During the meeting; regional issues, the fight against the PKK terrorist organization and relations between the two nations' intelligence agencies were the main items discussed."




This visit, which coincided with the intensifying conflict in Syria, was considered to be a critical one. According to the information obtained, during the meeting with Petraeus, Erdogan mentioned his concerns due to the events transpiring in Syria. Erdogan warned that should the instability in Syria intensify, a potential living space will be made available for organizations, especially the PKK. Erdogan underlined the successful functioning of the USA-Turkey-Iraq tripartite mechanism and warned of potential crisis that could develop in the region due to the sectarian strife in Iraq.


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Wed, 03/14/2012 - 22:59 | 2256618 Cult_of_Reason
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Not sure about Syria, but according to JPM, China is already in hard landing.

JPM: Chinese Economy Already in Hard Landing.. It’s Not a Debate Anymore, It’s a Fact.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 23:08 | 2256639 kito
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Did you hear the one about the guy who was Hungary for Turkey Chile but slipped on Iceland and broke his fine China?.......

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 23:10 | 2256645 Tsar Pointless
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Are you being Syria?

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 00:45 | 2256802 caconhma
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From the horse mouth (another fucking American failure):

Syrian army captures Idlib: Last rebel stronghold
DEBKAfile March 13, 2012, 3:19 PM

Bashar Assad’s forces have captured the last rebel stronghold of Idlib, the northern Syrian town on the Turkish border (pop. 200,000), delivering the opposition a resounding defeat. The last holdouts in Idlib retreated or fled into Turkey to escape the atrocities Assad’s forces typically inflict on subjugated areas.

The Syrian ruler has crushed the opposition’s military strength without however completely suppressing the revolt against his rule - although that rule no longer faces an immediate threat.


Syrian & Iranian military situation are greatly improved with improved mutual coordination.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 01:05 | 2256829 UP Forester
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I guess not enough al-CIAda troops were sent in.

Now the bombing can begin, with all the "good guys" out of Syria....

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 09:00 | 2257258 Max Hunter
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Exactly.. I was thinking, if only they would remove the Mossad/CIA and Israeli/US backed "freedom fighters", the situation would calm down to a wisper..

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 05:13 | 2257011 LongSoupLine
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Irish that wasn't true.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 10:11 | 2257522 BlueCollaredOne
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Oman, I'm Ghana have to say we have no countries left to name, or maybe there are a few that I'm completely Bolivia's too. 

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 10:13 | 2257590 chumbawamba
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You missed this one that was laying in the Qatar, right in front of your feet.

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 10:37 | 2257688 BlueCollaredOne
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Kenya help me come up with more?   Jamaican me crazy just trying to think of others

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 10:55 | 2257706 Schmuck Raker
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If Iraq my brain, maybe I'll come up with Somalia.

Are you in a Russia?

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 11:58 | 2258079 chumbawamba
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I Belize there are more but it's time that Iran from here.

I am Chumbawamba.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 23:11 | 2256647 Robot Traders Mom
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C'mon Kito. You're better than that...

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 23:20 | 2256666 ihedgemyhedges
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Yeah, he slipped because he was distracted by a girl who had quite Iraq..............

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 23:46 | 2256724 Tsar Pointless
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Sure, me too, but when I saw her face, Iran.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 00:27 | 2256780 dark pools of soros
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If you Kuwait till the 5th date before getting Honduras, would she start to Belize Uruguay?

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 00:33 | 2256788 Tsar Pointless
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As a queer, I give you major props and an up vote for originality.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 08:13 | 2257134 Carmagnole
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Making bad puns on ZH is Norway to go through life, guise

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 01:30 | 2256851 Sokhmate
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This is better than comedy central. You guys have quite the ivvagination.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 00:05 | 2256748 a growing concern
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Breaking News: Fritolaysia Cuts Off Chiplomatic Relations With Snakistan

Looks like shit's about to get real.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 00:36 | 2256795 eatthebanksters
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The real question of the day...if Turkey attacks Syria from the rear, will Greece help?

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 10:01 | 2257531 Carl Spackler
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I heard the Hungary guy's name is Chad.

Next time he Congo another way.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 00:35 | 2256791 eatthebanksters
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Chinese #2 was arrested a short while ago...

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 01:02 | 2256825 q99x2
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Nowat. Sounds like a grumpy fellow.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 23:15 | 2256626 DormRoom
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Listen to Robert Baer's (former Middle East CIA agent) analysis:


The Syrian rebellion will likely be crushed, because they lack anti-tank weapons from the US & Allies.  China & Russia support the Assad regime,because they may have to implement similar draconian actions in the future on their own ppl.  Muslim Uighur Provinces v. China. Muslim Chechyna v Russia.

Saudia Arabia fears Iran arming Bahrain, and Syrian violence spiralling into Islamic sectarian violence across the peninsula.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 23:22 | 2256670 tickhound
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Destabilize, repair, control... Much like in the financial system, they'll have the plebes beggin' for UN intervention. 

You have to hand it to ''em'... stickin' to those proven solid fundamentals for growth.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 00:20 | 2256769 GMadScientist
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Destabilize (anyone who gets out of line), (expensively but no-bid corruptly) repair, to continue to (foster the illusion of) control...

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 18:39 | 2259643 tickhound
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GMad - why you always gotta take me to the deeper end of the pool? ;)

"the thirst of power dons that five sided fist-a-gon"

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 23:06 | 2256634 palmereldritch
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They might want to track the FED's new twitter feed to see when their new central bank will be ready for business.  That would be a tell.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 23:09 | 2256640 Tsar Pointless
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Ahh...The Great Game continues.

There are those who would have you believe it ended after WWII. Nonsense. It just entered a new inning. Or quarter. Or round.

Whatever you prefer.

Mr. Pike, call on line WWIII. Mr. Albert Pike, line WWIII please.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 23:09 | 2256641 UP Forester
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According to physics per Hank Johnson, it just might....

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 23:12 | 2256651 Sutton
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Lame flag,Syria.  Very North Korean.  Damascus is in the Old and New Testaments.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 23:26 | 2256681 thedrickster
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Pretty sure that is the PKK's flag.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 23:21 | 2256668 BLOTTO
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Ezekiel 38-39


Wed, 03/14/2012 - 23:26 | 2256677 Piranhanoia
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After Syria, the trouble makers or oil barons are Israel, Iran and Saudi Arabia and they are all prepping for war.  The Axis of Oilville. Looks like everyone gets it with a little MAD guaranteed by the US.

 Film Noir, at eleven.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 03:44 | 2256948 AnAnonymous
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The Axis of Oilville.


That's a good one.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 23:48 | 2256682 slewie the pi-rat
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i first read this piece last week [PIERRE PICCININ via counterPUNCH]

The Syrian Mirage

i would recommend it to all BiCheZ  L0L!!! 

and here is the latest press release regading kofiAnnan from today's TripoliPost

Kofi Annan Concerned

you may find it interesting that he is working outa ankara, too, which is apparently in turkey, not alaska...

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 23:28 | 2256685 jywhy999
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Wed, 03/14/2012 - 23:41 | 2256719 UP Forester
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C'mon, don't junk the bot.  The bot's a prepper....

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 03:59 | 2256959 msamour
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I have noticed a few bots gained access to Zh lately. Is it just me, or they are spamming? Anything we can do to kicke them out of here? Tyler, are you at all concerned with Bots spamming your site?

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 08:33 | 2257177 sablya
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If you think this is bad, check the forums.  Nothing but spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, ...., (not)wonderful spam.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 23:30 | 2256695 a growing concern
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Joey, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 00:06 | 2256750 Dr. Engali
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No but I smoked a Turkish Hooka.... At least I think it was a hooka. The whole experience is kinda hazy...... What were we talking about ?

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 00:36 | 2256793 GMadScientist
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That's totally not my hashish, okay?

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 03:21 | 2256930 Ratscam
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midnight express, what a great movie

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 03:45 | 2256950 UP Forester
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Yeah, almost as great a scene in it as this:


Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop....

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 23:40 | 2256708 New World Chaos
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The Zionists need to take down Syria so they can fly over it to attack Iran.  But they don't want to risk their own skin- remember what happened last time they tried to fight their own battle against puny Syria?  Next time they will use the world's biggest puppet state to fight in their stead, as usual.

Remember MasterBlaster from Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome?  America is the huge, armored retard (Blaster).  Israel (Master) is the midget who runs Bartertown and rides Blaster around like a donkey.  When Blaster went down, things didn't work out so well for Master.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 00:15 | 2256764 Ima anal sphincter
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Quite a nice comparison. America....blindly killing and maiming anything in the bankers path.

Maybe the servant will turn on the master. For the world's sake, I hope so.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 00:40 | 2256792 New World Chaos
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They will try to distract us with a race war or something.  Get us to turn on each other while they escape with any remaining gold, then blame the victims.  Perhaps after 9/11 planning documents come out and there is an exodus of private jets escaping from NY and DC to Israel, some zombified Christian Zionist patriots in the Air Force might actually wake up.  Or maybe all the dual citizens will be in Tel Aviv when Rome falls to the barbarian hordes.  Would be nice to present one single country with a list, say we want these 10,000 heads on silver platters OR ELSE.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 01:08 | 2256832 Ima anal sphincter
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Well, it's nice to see someone who understands the BIG picture. 10,000 seems to be be a quite a small number. That would possibly encompass the dickhead bankers, but multiply that by (at least) 5 to account for all the puppets.

So much pain. For what???? A New World Fucking Order? Excuse me, but that doesn't work in my book.

Get rid of the dickheads and make sure that NONE follow.

Peace..... what a concept.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 03:11 | 2256902 New World Chaos
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When the chips are down, the banksters will throw their puppets to the wolves.  Flunkies can provide a distraction, and even a Congressman is cheaper than a Ming vase, so guess who gets the extra seat in the Learjet?  America can deal with the flunkies at home.  By their actions (and inactions), they have already shown that there must be a purge or this shit will never let up.  The big question is how far down the power structure it goes and how many innocent people or barely guilty people get caught up in it.  Must be careful not to become monsters ourselves, and be careful to not go into a blind rage and kill all the Jewish grannies while the big bankers get away.  Remember, the Holocaust served Rothschild purposes.

Hmm.  Would be hilarious if they brought all their pet Congresscritters to Israel, then killed them all for knowing too much.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 03:35 | 2256941 StychoKiller
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Congresscritters knowing too much...there's something new under the sun! :>D

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 06:59 | 2257065 Ace Ventura
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"The big question is how far down the power structure it goes and how many innocent people or barely guilty people get caught up in it. "

That is indeed an important factor in the whole scenario. Unfortunately, I suspect the rot goes WAY down the power structure. Just look into your local county-level politics, and you see microcosms of metastasizing corruption everywhere. Disturbingly, the local level 'law enforcement' entities are themselves wrapped up in the game, and thus have incentive to assist in the suppression of any peasants who dare get a little too uppitty about getting stomped.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 05:45 | 2257033 Element
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Would be nice to present one single country with a list, say we want these 10,000 heads on silver platters OR ELSE.


In which case Israel would simply launch "Operation Tora-Bora".


" ... what? ... no, they didn't come by here ... no sir, we didn't see nuttin ... sorries ... Obaaahhma and Borsht? ... no, they disappeared into a cave complex ... went looking for another horde of Dead Sea Scrolls ... wot, they ain't back yet? ... ain't seen 'em ...", etc.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 23:35 | 2256710 yogibear
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Bermanke and the Fed can solve it with QEing. It's the central bank's solution to everything.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 23:48 | 2256727 yogibear
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Alien World To Help Out Syria Since This One Refuses To,27620/

MPERIAL CITY, PLANET ZARKLOM 12—Frustrated by "the astonishing incapacity of earthlings to halt the rampant slaughter of their own kind" in Syria, the emperor of Zarklom 12 announced Wednesday he had no choice but to dispatch his own intergalactic forces from 3 million light years away to end the senseless bloodshed.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 00:02 | 2256745 New World Chaos
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The Onion Reality, coming soon to a galaxy near you

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 00:38 | 2256798 GMadScientist
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Bring oil, motherfuckers!

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 06:15 | 2257036 Element
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err ... where the fuck was the emperor of Zarklom 12, when Egypt, Vietnam, Cambodia, Syria, Jordan, Libya, Kuwait, Iraq, Lebanon, Gaza, Iraq again, Lebanon again, Iraq again, Afghanistan, Iraq some more, Libya again, Syria again, Iran always, were in the Israeli-USSA blender, and countless millions of innocent people were butchered for the sake of war-profiteering and global drug-peddling via their preferred mechanism of false accusation, vilification to sub-human status, and mass-murder?

And where was zarkosy when tens of millions of Russians were butchered by the commie joos ... we could have really done with some help there too.

Can I suggest he's a one-eyed hypocritical zio-, ... sorry, ... zaro-fucker, from beta-onionsville-3?

'The onion' eh? ... buyer beware ... jus sayin.

Wed, 03/14/2012 - 23:55 | 2256736 JOYFUL
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For all it''s numerous faults, the Baathist regime of Syria was a secular one, and protective of the peace between religious groups. That mutual tolerance is being deliberately stripped away by the forces behind the phony uprising, so as to create yet another zone of chaos, bloodletting and extremism. 

For nigh on half a century now, the overt foreign policy of the terror state of sionist israel(and the covert foreign policy of the United States) has been to foment instability, economic disaster, and bloody civil war in other countries. Religious minorities(most particularly Christian ones) have suffered greatly from this malicious adventurism, time and again, yet governments continue to pretend that this heartless and cynical manipulation is done in the name of "peace" and "protecting democracy."

Exactly the opposite is the truth, and all those who follow the sionist bully into wars of aggression against their neigbors will find this out to their own cost - Turkey is deeply implicated in the ZATO chicanery in Libya and now further sullies itself with machinations against Syria.  It's willingess to support and encourage CIA-created (pseudo)Islamic terrorist groups is a time bomb that will blow up in it''s own face. The blowback will be enough end it's neo-Ottoman pretensions forever.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 00:50 | 2256810 Oh regional Indian
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I sure hope you are right Joyful. Yet, it's the Turks who will "get it" thought it's no fault of theirs.

We seem to be all bound to suffer sins of omission this time around, because I'm yet to see/meet anyone on main street who wants a mayhem laced war, anywhere, for anything.


Thu, 03/15/2012 - 00:02 | 2256746 Dr. Engali
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I'm sure the first thing they will do is fly in a few helicopters of "money" to"help them get back on their feet "after we destroy their nation and fly out all their gold.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 00:56 | 2256816 q99x2
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How's the UN susposed to take over Africa if they have to take over syria now? Angelina Jolie's going to need backing.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 01:09 | 2256834 Money 4 Nothing
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Right when you hear there is a "no fly zone" in Syria, the SHTF starts.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 03:03 | 2256919 Element
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What they discussed is the stuff they dare not put on paper ... or disk ... the stuff that can put a war criminal at the wrong end of a rope.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 04:18 | 2256970 i-dog
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"PKK (Kurdistan Workers' Party) terrorist organization"

Interesting that every alternative to the main one or two parties is branded a "terrorist organisation"! And what have they got against the Kurdish workers ... the fact that they work?!?

It's no wonder that Ron Paul won't run as an independent and thereby also end up being branded a "terrorist organisation".

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 04:42 | 2256990 Ghordius
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i-dog, I was a few years ago in Turkey when terrorists claiming to belong to the PKK had a few bombs explode, mostly targeting the Turkish Riviera tourism business. Several PKK organizations all around Europe aftwerward had parties - perhaps most of them are not terrorists but do sympathize with terrorists.

Have a look at the PKK logos and what they say - basically they want their own country from pieces of Turkey, Iran and Iraq. So yes, I'd call them revolutionaries or rebels (I think we agree those are neutral terms) threathening the national integrity of three countries - sometimes underscoring their point with terrorist actions.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 05:01 | 2257003 i-dog
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I was being tongue in cheek and am aware of the PKK's [alleged] activities, Ghordie.

However, I'm also aware that when the British carved up the former Ottoman territory after WWI, they deliberately drew lines on a map that divided ethnic groups between multiple countries, rather than having strong ethnic concentrations that would assert independent actions. They could just as easily have created a Kurdistan ... but didn't. The Kurdish "violence" is their attempt to create that Kurdistan and I have some sympathy for their natural struggle to own themselves.

The Brits did the same with India after WWII ... dividing muslim concentrations between India and two widely separated Pakistans (one of which is now called Bangladesh), in much the same way that the Palestinians are divided into two separate territories (West Bank and Gaza).

However, the Ron Paul comment stands ... he's having a hard enough time by being branded a 'kook' within the Republicrat party, without being further denigrated as an independent.

BTW, I am apparently also a "terrorist" ... just for expressing personal opinions on this blog.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 05:27 | 2257027 writingsonthewall
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....and we did the same in Africa (with the help of the Portuguese, French, Dutch and Spanish) - that's why Africa has straight lined borders.


Bascially people need to learn from the mistakes of the past - you have to let people determine their own borders - you cannot dictate them from afar or by force.


It's time to stop meddling for self interest and start meddling for the greater good.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 13:28 | 2258551 Ghordius
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I thought so ;-)

I blame the Idiot-Media for this rape of the political vocabulary - best seen in the way the story of the SinnFein and the IRA is told in the UK and the US.

A terrorist is somene that uses terror against civilians as a political weapon. For example by laying bombs or kidnapping civilians.

Try to explain this to an idiot news-anchorperson...


Thu, 03/15/2012 - 05:25 | 2257025 writingsonthewall
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Yeah - lets not forget the Kurds have had their regions stolen from them by the Bathists in Iraq, the Government in Turkey and the Regime in Syria.


Fuck me I'd be blowing shit up once you had murdered my family and destroyed my cultural history.


Were the US forefathers "Terrorists" when they decided to forcefully cede from Britain (you can bet Britain labelled them as such)


As Americans you should all back the right to self determination as you would not exists today if it had not been for that right enforced against the (then) more powerful British.


I can assure you that the Boston Tea party was seen as a terrorist attack.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 05:20 | 2257020 writingsonthewall
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I totally agree - this is Fascism at it's best.


Remember Hitler said the Jews were 'dangerous' - the communists and socialists were 'terrorists who blew up the Reichstag' - and now we know different.


It's fascism all over again - but too many people are simply too stupid to see it (as they were last time)


I fear for the world.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 07:06 | 2257074 e-recep
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Of course they can be branded terrorists. PKK is blowing up civilians.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 07:48 | 2257101 writingsonthewall
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So is America - in Iraq and Afghanistan - are they terrorists too?


If you're going to label people 'terrorists' you need a better criteria than simply 'blowing up civilians'. fact the US must be the largest terrorist on earth as they were blowing up civilians in Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan etc.


...even the British blew up civilians in Dresden at the end of WWII - an act which is regarded as 'heroic' by the British military.


Geeez man - are people so easily led and fooled? Do you really think it's all black and white?


How do explain the IRA 'Terrorists' who now sit in Government?


Stop repeating shit you hear in the telly - it's not accurate and it comes from a single point of view.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 07:04 | 2257071 Bauglir
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It is obvious that USA will use PKK terrorist organization (which is responsible for the death of more than 30.000 people in Turkey) against Syrian regime, just like it uses so called Muslim Brotherhood killers to destabilize Syria.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 07:45 | 2257098 writingsonthewall
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You are an MSM stooge - why else claim that 30,000+ deaths were CAUSED by the PKK when they are infact the casualty count - on both sides of an ongoing struggle?


Now why would you want to try to deceive the people? - Why would you spread dis-information?


Would you be so lenient if I said the US was responsible for the ALL the deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan? - regardless of whether it was Talibanm deaths or not?

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 15:10 | 2258915 Bauglir
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I have no intention to dis-inform anyone. PKK leaders and countries those support them are responsible of all casualties. They turn normal citizens into terrorists bombing municipal buses.

 Maybe you won't like my reasoning but I didn't try to deceive anyone.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 07:51 | 2257104 writingsonthewall
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..oh and your muslim Bortherhood claim? - total bollocks mate.


The Muslim brotherhood did not need to destabilise Libya (Gaddaffi did an excellent job of that already) - and they did not need to use violence as they were the popular majority - and therefore destined to win any free and fair election.


Don't you ever consider motive before you make judgements? - or do you get your judgement 'fed' to you by the Government and media?


Thu, 03/15/2012 - 15:26 | 2258991 Bauglir
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I wasn't talking about Muslim Brotherhood in Libya I was talking about its Syrian brach. They are also active in Syria and it seems like they will work together to topple Assad and destabilise the country. 

I live in Turkey and my goverment and media support Assad opposition as they supported Gaddaffi opposition in Libya. My judgements aren't based on what they serve me.Gaddaffi ruled Libya more than 40 years thus I assume if people weren't happy about his rule they would have acted decades ago and don't wait for any kind of Western intervention. 

I think people living in these countries such as Libya and Syria queit happy with the way they live. If they are unable to establish a democratical culture by themselves, trying to impose it from outside will worsen the situation.


Thu, 03/15/2012 - 07:49 | 2257102 Monedas
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I'm sure the Kurds have some legitimate territorial issues and Turkey, Syria and Iraq treat them far worse than Zionist treat Palestinians !  The PKK, being Communist, see the opportunity to piggy back a legitimate struggle so they can peddle their failed ideas ! Haven't we seen this before ?  Monedas  2011   Muslim cruelty and strife is a relative holiday for Israel....keep it up !

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 07:54 | 2257107 writingsonthewall
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"The PKK, being Communist, see the opportunity to piggy back a legitimate struggle so they can peddle their failed ideas ! "


...but peddling the 'failed ideas' of Capitalism, Christianity, Keynes and Monetarism are all ok - right?


...and when did Communism 'fail' - last time I checked there has never been a Communist country - you're just reading the label and assuming what's inside is accurate.

Stalin was no more communist than Hitler was.


It's clear that people accept labels and NEVER question them with reason. I suspect it's because it makes it easier to write off human life as expendable - so long as you believe your on the 'right' side and that the lost life was only representing 'evil'.


My what morons this world is populated with.

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 08:09 | 2257126 Monedas
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When did Capitalism is still the last frontier ?  Hitler and Stalin were the same Socialist filth titans !  Their death struggle gave us some breathing room ! We had to defeat Japan alone ! When your enemies are destroying each other (Hitler and Stalin) feed the fire and don't get in the way !  We played those idiots only the English speaking people know how ! Israel can take a lesson and do what it can to promote the Arab Spring !   Monedas  2012  It's good, clean sport to watch idiots fuck themselves up !

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 09:51 | 2257478 writingsonthewall
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I don't know what history school you went to - but your teacher must have been a drunk.


"We had to defeat Japan alone !"


Never heard of the Sino-Japanese conflict? - Never heard of the Russian battles with Japan, never heard of Burma?

Typical re-writing of history to show your own country in a good light - who taught you history again?

"When did Capitalism fail"


According to the Austrians, the day they bailed out the banks. According to true free marketeers - it was in the middle ages when the meat markets were touched by regulation, according to the socialists, it's never really worked because it relies on flawed concepts.


- take your pick - I don't think there are many people left who think capitalism is still working.


I wonder sometimes if I am super-intelligent - or whether I'm just surrounded by dullards...


Thu, 03/15/2012 - 08:25 | 2257149 Monedas
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Hitler was a repeat of Napoleon !  We waited until they shot their wads in Russia....then we showed up for the Victory Parades !

Thu, 03/15/2012 - 08:39 | 2257194 Widowmaker
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More micromanagement of humanity in the desert.

Is it security or is patreus pitching Haliburton's next quarter? Seriously, its always business with these clowns.

Nothing is as reported, and you can bet your assthey talked more about oil than people.

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