Syria Shoots Down NATO-Member Turkey's Military F-4 Jet

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Update 4 from the BBC: getting warmer in here.

Turkey's government has called an emergency security meeting amid reports that one of its fighter jets was shot down by Syrian security forces.


The Turkish military earlier said it had lost contact with an F-4 Phantom over the Mediterranean Sea on Friday morning, south-west of Hatay province.


It did not confirm reports that Syrian air defence forces were responsible.


But local media are quoting Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan as saying "the other side have expressed regret".


Mr Erdogan also revealed that the two crew members were safe.


Relations between Turkey and Syria, once close allies, have deteriorated sharply since the uprising against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad began in March 2011.


Witnesses in the Syrian coastal city of Latakia meanwhile told BBC Arabic that Syrian air defences had shot down an unidentified aircraft near the town of Ras al-Basit.


There was no immediate confirmation from Turkish officials, but later it was announced that Mr Erdogan would be holding an emergency meeting with his top military and intelligence chiefs to discuss the missing plane.


Mr Erdogan was also said to have told Turkish reporters on a flight back from Brazil that "the other side have expressed regret" over the downing of the F-4, and also that the pilots had been recovered.

Update 3: they are making it up as they go along:


Looks like everyone is trying to position appropriately.

Update 2 from Syria: Oops, sorry.

Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said on Friday that Syria had admitted it shot down a Turkish warplane in the Mediterranean and that Damascus had apologized.


The two pilots of the Turkish F-4 fighter jet are alive, Erdogan had earlier said, before holding a press conference in Ankara.


“At this moment the air force and navy are conducting search and rescue operations in the western Mediterranean and luckily our pilots are alive, we have just lost a plane,” he told journalists while travelling back from Brazil.


Earlier, the Turkish army said it lost radar and radio contact with one of its aircrafts on the Mediterranean near neighboring Syria, and a television station said it had crashed in Syrian territorial waters.


But Lebanon’s Hezbollah-owned Al-Manar television station said that Syrian air defenses shot down the Turkish military aircraft, quoting Syrian security sources.


“Syrian security sources confirmed to a Manar correspondent in Damascus that Syrian defense forces shot down the Turkish fighter jet,” the Hezbollah-owned channel said.


Turkey, which had drawn close to Syria before the uprising against Assad, became one of the Syrian leader’s fiercest critics when he responded violently to pro-democracy protests inspired by popular upheavals elsewhere in the Arab world.


Ankara has previously floated the possibility of setting up some kind of safe haven or humanitarian corridor inside Syria, which would entail military intervention, but has said it would undertake no such action without U.N. Security Council approval.


Turkey said it had lost contact with one of its military aircraft off its southeastern coast, and a television station said it had crashed in Syrian territorial waters.


The plane took off from Malatya airbase in the southeast at 0730 GMT and lost communication with the base at 0858 GMT in the southwest of the Hatay province bordering Syria, the military command said in a statement posted online.


“Search and rescue efforts have started immediately,” it said.

Update from Al Jazeera: Turkish PM says cannot say whether Turkish warplane shot down or crashed, no news on pilots.

Just when the geopolitical tensions in the middle east appeared to be abating, and Brent was on a gentle glideslope to whatever price will greenlight the NEW QE now that fears of an Iran war have been very much silenced, things change. Reuters reports that Syria shot down a Turkish warplane on Friday, according to Lebanon's al-Manar television reported, "risking a new crisis between Middle Eastern neighbours already at bitter odds over a 16-month-old revolt against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad." "Syrian security sources confirmed to a Manar correspondent in Damascus that Syrian defence forces shot down the Turkish fighter jet," the Hezbollah-owned channel said."

Here is the rub: Turkey is a NATO member, and by definition the alliance will have to come to Turkey's aid if requested. Syria, however is not just any country as has been made quite clear over the past several months of UN impotence: it is a critical staging ground for both Russia (which has a very critical regional naval base in the city of Tartus) and China, and according to the Jerusalem Post, the three countries are in preparation to conduct the "largest ever" war game. As such Syria, already gripped by fierce local fighting, where just like in Egypt and Libya the presence of US-based flipflop on the ground can be smelt from across the Atlantic, is merely a symbol. The real implication is how far can little escalations push until finally the showdown begins, with NATO on one side and Russia and China on the other?

From Reuters:

Turkey, which had drawn close to Syria before the uprising against Assad, became one of the Syrian leader's fiercest critics when he responded violently to pro-democracy protests inspired by popular upheavals elsewhere in the Arab world.


Ankara has previously floated the possibility of setting up some kind of safe haven or humanitarian corridor inside Syria, which would entail military intervention, but has said it would undertake no such action without U.N. Security Council approval.


Turkey said it had lost contact with one of its military aircraft off its south-eastern coast, and a television station said it had crashed in Syrian territorial waters.


CNN Turk television said Turkey was in contact with the Syrian authorities to get permission to conduct a search for the airmen, although there was no immediate official confirmation.


Turkey's military said a search and rescue operation was under way. It lost radar and radio contact with the plane after it left Erhac airport in the eastern province of Malatya.


Two crew were aboard the F-4 jet, Turkish state news agency Anatolia said, citing Malatya governor Ulvi Saran.


Hurriyet daily newspaper reported that the plane had gone down in international waters and that the two airmen had been found alive and well by Turkish forces.

Be on the lookout for the official Turkish response: it may not happy. Especially if this is merely the latest variation on a very old false flag theme, or merely media manipulation seeking to inflame tensions and incite a Syrian invasion.

And for those wondering, yes, the F-4 still exists, and more shockingly, it still flies.

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HelluvaEngineer's picture

You forgot the Donkey Kong graphic.

slaughterer's picture

Does Goldman Sachs have anti-aircraft cannons in Syria?  This might help them on their ES 1285 call.  

CommunityStandard's picture

War between NATO and Russia/China would help with ES 0.

Divided States of America's picture

Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said on Friday Syria had admitted it had shot down a Turkish warplane in the Mediterranean and apologized, BBC Monitoring reported, citing Turkey's state news agency Anatolia.

Ha this Syria-Turkey incident is like I take your money, then say sorry, then wont give it back.

HelluvaEngineer's picture

It's not like they can find an F-4 to replace it.  Well, maybe on Ebay.

Aziz's picture

False flag?

We know the NATO-armed Syrian resistance tried to get a British journalist killed to suck NATO in. I wouldn't put a false flag past 'em.

Fips_OnTheSpot's picture

Truth is the first casuality in any war.

Divided States of America's picture

Youre right, and World War III may have just started but no one knows it...well not yet.

malikai's picture

But we're not scheduled for war for another 5 years.

Paul Atreides's picture

 Laser guided democracy in 3..2..1..

francis_sawyer's picture

Obama would please like it back... Oh wait!

AldousHuxley's picture

Syria (China ) shoots down NATO-MEMBER Turkey (US) military F4 Jet .....


China has been pushing America's buttons ever since dumbasses lost all their money on wall st scams.



crawldaddy's picture

You will know its ww3, when your lights go out.  WW3 will last about a week IMHO.  Countries will hack each others grids, bringing the homefront to its knees, war over before it begins.

malikai's picture

No, the real WW3 will last about 1 hour and 30 minutes for most people. For everything electronic maybe about 35 minutes. And for everyone near a coastall military facility, large power plant, or port, it will last about 5 minutes.

Spirit Of Truth's picture


BTW, we can add to this news that the ruling military council in Egypt is effecting a coup this weekend:

The fuse is apparently being ignited.


The Big Ching-aso's picture



Maybe it's turkey season in Syria?

Normalcy Bias's picture

Tower, this is Ghost Rider requesting a flyby of Syrian S-300 battery.

Negative, Ghost Rider, the pattern is full.

Ghost Rider?...

CommunityStandard's picture

Nobody expects the Syrian resistance!

caconhma's picture

Remember the war in Georgia where NATO tested Russia. Russia responded and NATO backed off.

It is obvious that NATO behaves as Germans and Soviets did in late 1930s. It is just a matter of time before China will draw a red-line engaging into a direct conflict with USA/NATO.

It is also obvious that Israel is trying to drag America into a major war in the Middle East before this year presidential elections. Regardless of the West Zionist-controlled mass media, this will not be Libya. It will be a real war when both Israel and NATO home countries will be under falling bombs and missiles. When, instead of a flat-screen war the West became used to in the last 67 years, Israeli and EU will taste a real war with their cities being under attacks.


Qaddafi was an idiot: he tried to negotiate with NATO to his last heartbeat.  He could gain much more by bombing Rome and Paris.


Cathartes Aura's picture

those who play the great game are letting "China" gather more golden equalisers to level the playing field - once they get their "bank" sorted (as in Monopoly meme), then,

let the game(s) begin!


(speaking of, the London "zion" games may provide a kick-off starting flag)

Sauk Leader's picture

How did they even see it with all the camo?

Ineverslice's picture

Loved the F-4 as a kid. Those giant side intakes....classic. Originally, had no gun, it carried a separate center-pod w/ a 20mm(?) cannon. This bird was designed to get into and out of trouble "fast".

economics9698's picture

I remember the F-4 only taking two counties to do a stern ID pass.

Normalcy Bias's picture

Yep. That thing handles like a dart, but it can get out of Dodge in a hurry.

Zymurguy's picture

I think it was the first "ballistic" aircraft... could point nose straight up after take-off and accellerate upward.

Sweet Mother of Gawd!

Favorite warbird of my youth as well... lots of 'em flying around Scott AFB and S. Missouri from the MO Air Guard.

mjcOH1's picture

You're thinking F-15.   It was the first fighter with a greater than 1:1 thrust:weight ratio.

otto skorzeny's picture

very aggressive look-much more bad-ass looking then the new I-faggie F-35,22 etc. who knows-when all is said and done with all the new e-jamming done over the modern battlefied it mat be the old analog F-4 s that can stay in the air

Agent P's picture

Agreed.  F-4 is bad ass.  But I was surprised to learn Turkey is still flying them...1960s tech...hell, even Spain retired them in '02. 

GeezerGeek's picture

The US finally retired the F4s during Clinton's watch, if I remember correctly. By then most were used in a Wild Weasel role (ECM). I think some were used actively during Gulf War 1.

GeezerGeek's picture

The F4 was designed without a gun because more than one US jet had managed to shoot itself down prior to its design. It later turned out that guns were good for dogfights, although the F4 was too fast to shoot guns at ground troops.

Randall Cabot's picture

The Young Turks who carried out the Armenian Genocide were secret jews and secret jews still rule Turkey today so any conflict between Turkey and Syria should be observed accordingly.

Check out the name of the jewish founder of Atlantic Records with the current PM of Turkey:

Fake Jim Quinn's picture

Must be the same secret Jews who all but completedly severed diplomatic relationships with Israel over the Mavi Marmara incident.

There should be an IQ test for posting here. At least 50 would be helpful

Randall Cabot's picture

"...all but...".

I agree with you on the IQ test.

skohiu's picture

ES will go to the moon.   When brown people die, ES soars.  /sarc

old naughty's picture


didn't someone here said yesterday: "...something has to give"?

Is this the give?

To stop Germany (from joining with Russia/China) on the new reserve currency?

Buck Johnson's picture

They are doing everything they can to ramp this up to a major war, they are nuts.

Stoploss's picture

Here we go with another no reason ponzi war!!

If i may help, the retards:

Central Planning Retards, You cannot incite a war to inflate away private debt, UNLESS you declare the war in the specific area of debt you wish to deficit spend away.

IN THIS CASE, the war you seek, is within your own borders, with your own people, since that is exactly where the debt to be "blown away" resides.

You will also be pleased, as you will actually get to witness the actual "debt destruction" literally, and in real time.

We're ready when you are...

Bangin7GramRocks's picture

SHIT! Another black swan. Back to my bunker. Godspeed!

battle axe's picture

Why would Syria shoot down a Turkish F-4? It does not make any sense, it must be a false flag...

jayman21's picture

Sorry, vision is still unclear.  Anyone else on the why?  It smells of false flag.  F-4 shot down and pilots are safe.  Communication is lost but no radar contact of surface to air or air to air missles.  The whole thing stinks of false flag.  The question, is which false flag?

ThirdWorldDude's picture

It doesn't really matter if it is or isn't a false flag, the important issue being the bastards want war and aren't even hiding that fact any longer:

Official Ancara belongs to the NATO overlords, hence the rough tone towards Assad since the beginning of the conflict and the blatant logistic support of the rebels courtesy of all the western intelligence agencies operating on Turkish territory. I posted a comment about Turkey's internal dividedness some time ago :

hoos bin pharteen's picture

No false flag.  It was a reconnaissance flight, though.  Syria doesn't want Turkey to come after it, but the Turks want control over the Levant, just like Iran does. 

This is a situation where things can quickly get out of hand.  Regardless of public motions, Turkey will loosen the leashes on its proxies a little more, if only out of spite. 

battle axe's picture

ThirdWorldDude: Thanks for the links, it explains a lot. 

ThirdWorldDude's picture

You're welcome, I'm glad it helped.

One important thing those articles didn't mention - Syria is one of the few close allies of Iran, so the game here is to crack the "rogue countries" one at the time, starting with the small ones.

Caveman93's picture

All that money NATO has and they still fly Phantoms!? Bullish!!

Oldballplayer's picture

Why bother sending in your good planes, when you can put the guy that sweeps the runway into an F4 and point him towards Syria to get shot down.