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Syria Shoots Down NATO-Member Turkey's Military F-4 Jet

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Update 4 from the BBC: getting warmer in here.

Turkey's government has called an emergency security meeting amid reports that one of its fighter jets was shot down by Syrian security forces.

 

The Turkish military earlier said it had lost contact with an F-4 Phantom over the Mediterranean Sea on Friday morning, south-west of Hatay province.

 

It did not confirm reports that Syrian air defence forces were responsible.

 

But local media are quoting Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan as saying "the other side have expressed regret".

 

Mr Erdogan also revealed that the two crew members were safe.

 

Relations between Turkey and Syria, once close allies, have deteriorated sharply since the uprising against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad began in March 2011.

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Witnesses in the Syrian coastal city of Latakia meanwhile told BBC Arabic that Syrian air defences had shot down an unidentified aircraft near the town of Ras al-Basit.

 

There was no immediate confirmation from Turkish officials, but later it was announced that Mr Erdogan would be holding an emergency meeting with his top military and intelligence chiefs to discuss the missing plane.

 

Mr Erdogan was also said to have told Turkish reporters on a flight back from Brazil that "the other side have expressed regret" over the downing of the F-4, and also that the pilots had been recovered.

Update 3: they are making it up as they go along:

  • TURKISH PM SAYS HAS NO FIRM INFORMATION ON ANY APOLOGY FROM SYRIA, WILL MAKE FURTHER STATEMENT AFTER SECURITY MEETING
  • TURKISH PM SAYS CANNOT SAY WHETHER TURKISH WARPLANE SHOT DOWN OR CRASHED, NO NEWS ON PILOTS - TURKISH TV

Looks like everyone is trying to position appropriately.

Update 2 from Syria: Oops, sorry.

Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said on Friday that Syria had admitted it shot down a Turkish warplane in the Mediterranean and that Damascus had apologized.

 

The two pilots of the Turkish F-4 fighter jet are alive, Erdogan had earlier said, before holding a press conference in Ankara.

 

“At this moment the air force and navy are conducting search and rescue operations in the western Mediterranean and luckily our pilots are alive, we have just lost a plane,” he told journalists while travelling back from Brazil.

 

Earlier, the Turkish army said it lost radar and radio contact with one of its aircrafts on the Mediterranean near neighboring Syria, and a television station said it had crashed in Syrian territorial waters.

 

But Lebanon’s Hezbollah-owned Al-Manar television station said that Syrian air defenses shot down the Turkish military aircraft, quoting Syrian security sources.

 

“Syrian security sources confirmed to a Manar correspondent in Damascus that Syrian defense forces shot down the Turkish fighter jet,” the Hezbollah-owned channel said.

 

Turkey, which had drawn close to Syria before the uprising against Assad, became one of the Syrian leader’s fiercest critics when he responded violently to pro-democracy protests inspired by popular upheavals elsewhere in the Arab world.

 

Ankara has previously floated the possibility of setting up some kind of safe haven or humanitarian corridor inside Syria, which would entail military intervention, but has said it would undertake no such action without U.N. Security Council approval.

 

Turkey said it had lost contact with one of its military aircraft off its southeastern coast, and a television station said it had crashed in Syrian territorial waters.

 

The plane took off from Malatya airbase in the southeast at 0730 GMT and lost communication with the base at 0858 GMT in the southwest of the Hatay province bordering Syria, the military command said in a statement posted online.

 

“Search and rescue efforts have started immediately,” it said.

Update from Al Jazeera: Turkish PM says cannot say whether Turkish warplane shot down or crashed, no news on pilots.

Just when the geopolitical tensions in the middle east appeared to be abating, and Brent was on a gentle glideslope to whatever price will greenlight the NEW QE now that fears of an Iran war have been very much silenced, things change. Reuters reports that Syria shot down a Turkish warplane on Friday, according to Lebanon's al-Manar television reported, "risking a new crisis between Middle Eastern neighbours already at bitter odds over a 16-month-old revolt against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad." "Syrian security sources confirmed to a Manar correspondent in Damascus that Syrian defence forces shot down the Turkish fighter jet," the Hezbollah-owned channel said."

Here is the rub: Turkey is a NATO member, and by definition the alliance will have to come to Turkey's aid if requested. Syria, however is not just any country as has been made quite clear over the past several months of UN impotence: it is a critical staging ground for both Russia (which has a very critical regional naval base in the city of Tartus) and China, and according to the Jerusalem Post, the three countries are in preparation to conduct the "largest ever" war game. As such Syria, already gripped by fierce local fighting, where just like in Egypt and Libya the presence of US-based flipflop on the ground can be smelt from across the Atlantic, is merely a symbol. The real implication is how far can little escalations push until finally the showdown begins, with NATO on one side and Russia and China on the other?

From Reuters:

Turkey, which had drawn close to Syria before the uprising against Assad, became one of the Syrian leader's fiercest critics when he responded violently to pro-democracy protests inspired by popular upheavals elsewhere in the Arab world.

 

Ankara has previously floated the possibility of setting up some kind of safe haven or humanitarian corridor inside Syria, which would entail military intervention, but has said it would undertake no such action without U.N. Security Council approval.

 

Turkey said it had lost contact with one of its military aircraft off its south-eastern coast, and a television station said it had crashed in Syrian territorial waters.

 

CNN Turk television said Turkey was in contact with the Syrian authorities to get permission to conduct a search for the airmen, although there was no immediate official confirmation.

 

Turkey's military said a search and rescue operation was under way. It lost radar and radio contact with the plane after it left Erhac airport in the eastern province of Malatya.

 

Two crew were aboard the F-4 jet, Turkish state news agency Anatolia said, citing Malatya governor Ulvi Saran.

 

Hurriyet daily newspaper reported that the plane had gone down in international waters and that the two airmen had been found alive and well by Turkish forces.

Be on the lookout for the official Turkish response: it may not happy. Especially if this is merely the latest variation on a very old false flag theme, or merely media manipulation seeking to inflame tensions and incite a Syrian invasion.

And for those wondering, yes, the F-4 still exists, and more shockingly, it still flies.

 


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Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:25 | Link to Comment HelluvaEngineer
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You forgot the Donkey Kong graphic.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:33 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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Does Goldman Sachs have anti-aircraft cannons in Syria?  This might help them on their ES 1285 call.  

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:36 | Link to Comment CommunityStandard
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War between NATO and Russia/China would help with ES 0.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:39 | Link to Comment Divided States ...
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Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said on Friday Syria had admitted it had shot down a Turkish warplane in the Mediterranean and apologized, BBC Monitoring reported, citing Turkey's state news agency Anatolia.

Ha this Syria-Turkey incident is like I take your money, then say sorry, then wont give it back.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:42 | Link to Comment HelluvaEngineer
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It's not like they can find an F-4 to replace it.  Well, maybe on Ebay.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:47 | Link to Comment Aziz
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False flag?

We know the NATO-armed Syrian resistance tried to get a British journalist killed to suck NATO in. I wouldn't put a false flag past 'em.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:50 | Link to Comment Fips_OnTheSpot
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Truth is the first casuality in any war.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:54 | Link to Comment Divided States ...
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Youre right, and World War III may have just started but no one knows it...well not yet.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:58 | Link to Comment malikai
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But we're not scheduled for war for another 5 years.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:07 | Link to Comment Paul Atreides
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 Laser guided democracy in 3..2..1..

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:13 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Obama would please like it back... Oh wait!

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:35 | Link to Comment AldousHuxley
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Syria (China ) shoots down NATO-MEMBER Turkey (US) military F4 Jet .....

 

China has been pushing America's buttons ever since dumbasses lost all their money on wall st scams.

 

MORE MILLIONARES IN ASIA THAN US.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:08 | Link to Comment crawldaddy
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You will know its ww3, when your lights go out.  WW3 will last about a week IMHO.  Countries will hack each others grids, bringing the homefront to its knees, war over before it begins.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:19 | Link to Comment malikai
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No, the real WW3 will last about 1 hour and 30 minutes for most people. For everything electronic maybe about 35 minutes. And for everyone near a coastall military facility, large power plant, or port, it will last about 5 minutes.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:48 | Link to Comment Spirit Of Truth
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Yep.

http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2012/06/elliott-wave-update.html

BTW, we can add to this news that the ruling military council in Egypt is effecting a coup this weekend:

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=274852

The fuse is apparently being ignited.

 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:54 | Link to Comment The Big Ching-aso
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Maybe it's turkey season in Syria?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:17 | Link to Comment Freewheelin Franklin
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Of course you know, this means war!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akAj-TWUq0E

 

 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:26 | Link to Comment Normalcy Bias
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Tower, this is Ghost Rider requesting a flyby of Syrian S-300 battery.

Negative, Ghost Rider, the pattern is full.

Ghost Rider?...

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:54 | Link to Comment CommunityStandard
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Nobody expects the Syrian resistance!

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:18 | Link to Comment caconhma
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Remember the war in Georgia where NATO tested Russia. Russia responded and NATO backed off.

It is obvious that NATO behaves as Germans and Soviets did in late 1930s. It is just a matter of time before China will draw a red-line engaging into a direct conflict with USA/NATO.

It is also obvious that Israel is trying to drag America into a major war in the Middle East before this year presidential elections. Regardless of the West Zionist-controlled mass media, this will not be Libya. It will be a real war when both Israel and NATO home countries will be under falling bombs and missiles. When, instead of a flat-screen war the West became used to in the last 67 years, Israeli and EU will taste a real war with their cities being under attacks.

 

Qaddafi was an idiot: he tried to negotiate with NATO to his last heartbeat.  He could gain much more by bombing Rome and Paris.

 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 15:45 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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those who play the great game are letting "China" gather more golden equalisers to level the playing field - once they get their "bank" sorted (as in Monopoly meme), then,

let the game(s) begin!

 

(speaking of, the London "zion" games may provide a kick-off starting flag)

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:53 | Link to Comment Sauk Leader
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How did they even see it with all the camo?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:50 | Link to Comment Ineverslice
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Loved the F-4 as a kid. Those giant side intakes....classic. Originally, had no gun, it carried a separate center-pod w/ a 20mm(?) cannon. This bird was designed to get into and out of trouble "fast".

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:18 | Link to Comment economics9698
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I remember the F-4 only taking two counties to do a stern ID pass.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 15:05 | Link to Comment Normalcy Bias
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Yep. That thing handles like a dart, but it can get out of Dodge in a hurry.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 16:04 | Link to Comment Zymurguy
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I think it was the first "ballistic" aircraft... could point nose straight up after take-off and accellerate upward.

Sweet Mother of Gawd!

Favorite warbird of my youth as well... lots of 'em flying around Scott AFB and S. Missouri from the MO Air Guard.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 22:11 | Link to Comment mjcOH1
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You're thinking F-15.   It was the first fighter with a greater than 1:1 thrust:weight ratio.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:23 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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very aggressive look-much more bad-ass looking then the new I-faggie F-35,22 etc. who knows-when all is said and done with all the new e-jamming done over the modern battlefied it mat be the old analog F-4 s that can stay in the air

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:30 | Link to Comment Agent P
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Agreed.  F-4 is bad ass.  But I was surprised to learn Turkey is still flying them...1960s tech...hell, even Spain retired them in '02. 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:50 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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The US finally retired the F4s during Clinton's watch, if I remember correctly. By then most were used in a Wild Weasel role (ECM). I think some were used actively during Gulf War 1.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:53 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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The F4 was designed without a gun because more than one US jet had managed to shoot itself down prior to its design. It later turned out that guns were good for dogfights, although the F4 was too fast to shoot guns at ground troops.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:36 | Link to Comment Randall Cabot
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The Young Turks who carried out the Armenian Genocide were secret jews and secret jews still rule Turkey today so any conflict between Turkey and Syria should be observed accordingly.

Check out the name of the jewish founder of Atlantic Records with the current PM of Turkey:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmet_Ertegun

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:59 | Link to Comment Fake Jim Quinn
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Must be the same secret Jews who all but completedly severed diplomatic relationships with Israel over the Mavi Marmara incident.

There should be an IQ test for posting here. At least 50 would be helpful

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 15:57 | Link to Comment Randall Cabot
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"...all but...".

I agree with you on the IQ test.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:56 | Link to Comment skohiu
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ES will go to the moon.   When brown people die, ES soars.  /sarc

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:00 | Link to Comment old naughty
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@CS,

didn't someone here said yesterday: "...something has to give"?

Is this the give?

To stop Germany (from joining with Russia/China) on the new reserve currency?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 17:32 | Link to Comment Buck Johnson
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They are doing everything they can to ramp this up to a major war, they are nuts.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:43 | Link to Comment Randall Cabot
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Syria reportedly apologizes for shooting down Turkish warplane

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/06/22/turkish-warplane-reportedly-goes-missing-near-syria/

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:54 | Link to Comment Stoploss
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Here we go with another no reason ponzi war!!

If i may help, the retards:

Central Planning Retards, You cannot incite a war to inflate away private debt, UNLESS you declare the war in the specific area of debt you wish to deficit spend away.

IN THIS CASE, the war you seek, is within your own borders, with your own people, since that is exactly where the debt to be "blown away" resides.

You will also be pleased, as you will actually get to witness the actual "debt destruction" literally, and in real time.

We're ready when you are...

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:45 | Link to Comment Bangin7GramRocks
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SHIT! Another black swan. Back to my bunker. Godspeed!

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:56 | Link to Comment battle axe
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Why would Syria shoot down a Turkish F-4? It does not make any sense, it must be a false flag...

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:14 | Link to Comment ThirdWorldDude
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Put this into perspective and you'll get a clearer vision:

http://article.wn.com/view/2012/06/14/Syrian_rebels_report_steady_supply...

 

And the Syrian/Russian response:

http://www.todayszaman.com/newsDetail_getNewsById.action?newsId=283675

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:32 | Link to Comment jayman21
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Sorry, vision is still unclear.  Anyone else on the why?  It smells of false flag.  F-4 shot down and pilots are safe.  Communication is lost but no radar contact of surface to air or air to air missles.  The whole thing stinks of false flag.  The question, is which false flag?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:46 | Link to Comment ThirdWorldDude
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It doesn't really matter if it is or isn't a false flag, the important issue being the bastards want war and aren't even hiding that fact any longer:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/21/world/middleeast/cia-said-to-aid-in-st...

Official Ancara belongs to the NATO overlords, hence the rough tone towards Assad since the beginning of the conflict and the blatant logistic support of the rebels courtesy of all the western intelligence agencies operating on Turkish territory. I posted a comment about Turkey's internal dividedness some time ago :  http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-06-12/interesting-bailout-offi...

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 16:16 | Link to Comment hoos bin pharteen
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No false flag.  It was a reconnaissance flight, though.  Syria doesn't want Turkey to come after it, but the Turks want control over the Levant, just like Iran does. 

This is a situation where things can quickly get out of hand.  Regardless of public motions, Turkey will loosen the leashes on its proxies a little more, if only out of spite. 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:16 | Link to Comment battle axe
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ThirdWorldDude: Thanks for the links, it explains a lot. 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:54 | Link to Comment ThirdWorldDude
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You're welcome, I'm glad it helped.

One important thing those articles didn't mention - Syria is one of the few close allies of Iran, so the game here is to crack the "rogue countries" one at the time, starting with the small ones.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:03 | Link to Comment Abiotic Oil
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Echoes of Gulf of Tonkin?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:25 | Link to Comment Caveman93
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All that money NATO has and they still fly Phantoms!? Bullish!!

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:27 | Link to Comment Oldballplayer
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Why bother sending in your good planes, when you can put the guy that sweeps the runway into an F4 and point him towards Syria to get shot down.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:34 | Link to Comment pods
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Syria is probably shooting them down with old S-75s anyways, so why not?

pods

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:01 | Link to Comment malikai
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This just in: Jupiter missiles deployed to Turkey.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:29 | Link to Comment metastar
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You sacrifice pawns.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:07 | Link to Comment old naughty
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Heroes, they are !!!

They landed in Syria's patch of international water.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:15 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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The Queen's Gambit

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:34 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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Obviously a false-false flag: when the actual perpetrators pretend to be working for someone nefarious, when really they are working for themselves all along 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:39 | Link to Comment cbaba
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These F4's are renovated and just used for training and reconnaissance purpose, there is a fleet of more than 200 F16 in the inventory.

 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:26 | Link to Comment Animal Cracker
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Shitstorm incoming!

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:41 | Link to Comment HelluvaEngineer
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Hmm...no one seems to care.  Perhaps they should have strapped Kim Kardashian into the seat.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:26 | Link to Comment FoolsAdvice
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An F-4? Is Turkey still flying these? The F-4 is proof that if you put enough thrust on a brick, it will fly...

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:37 | Link to Comment Tristan Ludlow
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Probably a recon version.  They can still fly fast, low and straight in order to take the pictures.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:54 | Link to Comment Rick Blaine
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Yah...I thought everyone junked them like back in the 80s...

I THINK some of the early versions didn't even have machine guns...or maybe none of them ever had machine guns...

I saw some special on the History Channel or something about it - apparently that drove pilots nuts.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:26 | Link to Comment tamboo
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mossad Shoots Down NATO-Member Turkey's Military F-4 Jet

 

fixed.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:25 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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tamboo- no links today?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:28 | Link to Comment pods
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Cannot even believe that anyone still flies the Phantom.  Haven't made them in like 30 years.

pods

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 15:04 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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They entered service before Obama was born. Some things age well, others don't.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:29 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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Shoot it down - I dare you.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:35 | Link to Comment Alpo for Granny
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I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU!!!!

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:44 | Link to Comment Uchtdorf
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Curse you, Red Baron! (Shakes fist)

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:55 | Link to Comment Chump
Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:57 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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Goose stepping and 60's bubble gum; not a... natural combination.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:29 | Link to Comment TaxSlave
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Damn, now they're gonna have to pull the P-51's out of mothballs.

 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:36 | Link to Comment Tristan Ludlow
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They still use them in some of the Asian and latin america countries.  No need to take them out of mothballs.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:40 | Link to Comment Terminus C
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The tech level of your military only needs to be more advanced than those you plan to use it against... so... for killing peasants a P-51 is a highly efficient and effective device.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 21:53 | Link to Comment pods
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For mowing down peasants I think the P-47 would be even better?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:11 | Link to Comment malikai
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I'd love to fly a P51. Over Wisconsin that is, not a Russian sattelite state currently under covert attack by Uncle Bully.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:11 | Link to Comment Ineverslice
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Six (?) 50-cal guns, Rolls Royce pistons...deadly.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:56 | Link to Comment cbxer55
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I'd vote for the "L" variant of the Lockheed P-38 Lightning. Four fifties and a 20mm cannon dead center on the nose, and 10 five inch rockets on Christmas Tree launchers on the outer wings, plus it can carry bombs on the two drop tank racks.

The guns dead center in the nose are better than wing-mounted guns, no convergence issues to deal with. All guns just fire straight ahead.

The 47 and 51 are great, but the P-38 has the advantage of a second engine, should one get shot up, you can still get home. ;-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_P-38_Lightning

http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&sa=X&biw=1432&bih=740&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=6y2Npzew8NWg7M:&imgrefurl=http://www.spitcrazy.com/ultimatesoldier.htm&docid=XovJULD2e01dYM&imgurl=http://www.spitcrazy.com/JSIlightning.jpg&w=540&h=351&ei=Zr_kT-qbHajL2QWL_qXaCQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=332&vpy=291&dur=600&hovh=181&hovw=279&tx=131&ty=121&sig=107406307455302585066&page=1&tbnh=107&tbnw=164&start=0&ndsp=28&ved=1t:429,r:15,s:0,i:122

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 21:52 | Link to Comment pods
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The old forked tail devil!

Beautiful warbird!

pods

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 15:02 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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More appropriate for use against Islamic countries would be reviving the F8 Crusader. So what if its design goes back to the early 1950s. F8s flew off carriers, the P-51 did not.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:29 | Link to Comment goldnguns
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Betting there was a Russian "technician" right there "see, comrade, you just push ziss button and voooosh.  Fun, no?"

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:30 | Link to Comment Stoploss
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"With a big enough engine, even a brick can fly".

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:37 | Link to Comment TaxSlave
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Just use any conveniently placed 2-mile-long runway.

 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:30 | Link to Comment TaxSlave
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"Jump in this F4 and fly it into that hostile airspace over there."

"No." 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:33 | Link to Comment TaxSlave
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Turkey: "They shot down our flying brick, use that as an excuse to attack them."

NATO: "No." 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:31 | Link to Comment Sutton
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We're all Turkeys now.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:55 | Link to Comment machineh
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'By definition the alliance will have to come to Turkey's aid if requested.' -- Tyler

Well, that's one interpretation. The NATO treaty declares that 'an armed attack against one or more of [its members] in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all.'

But what if the Turkish plane was attacking Syria, or merely invading its airspace? And last I heard, Syria isn't located 'in Europe or North America.'

It's a deceptive War Party meme that NATO intervention is automatically invoked by such an incident. Stop, think, decide for yourself.


Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:46 | Link to Comment spentCartridge
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It's a turkey shoot!

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:31 | Link to Comment Wakanda
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"how far can little escalations push until finally the showdown begins, with NATO on one side and Russia and China on the other?"

I'd give everyone a couple of weeks to ratchet up to full retard.  Gotta take sheeples minds (oxymoron?) off of the economy.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:36 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Both countries have ties to NATO and have growing industrial war complexes.  Win-win.  Follow the money.  If what you meant to say was "the american industrial war complex hates competition", then you would be correct.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:32 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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It probably disintegrated on its own.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:32 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Bullish for the Industrial War complex.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:33 | Link to Comment AurorusBorealus
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Anyone still think Germany is going to turn its back on the EU and alienate all its NATO allies?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:46 | Link to Comment Uchtdorf
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Do those millions of Turks living in Germany enjoy the right to vote?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:04 | Link to Comment magpie
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What makes you think the war is led to save the European Union ?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:36 | Link to Comment blueridgeviews
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Turkey told us to take a hike when we wanted to Invade Iraq from their border.  I say we return the favor.

Bt the way, who uses F-4 Phantoms anymore? It was a great plane in Vietnam but doesn't stand a chance against Russia's Mig's or missles.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:58 | Link to Comment machineh
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Dude, what is this 'we' shit?

I sure as hell didn't want to invade Iraq.

If you do, we'll send you off at the airport with a one-way ticket and box of candy bars.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:29 | Link to Comment Matt
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"who uses F-4 Phantoms anymore?"

People who don't want to spend $100 million+ per plane? People who don't want to spend 5% of GDP on the military? 

What aircraft do the Syrians fly? MiGs and Su-27s. If the F-4 is capable against their aircraft, why buy newer, even more expensive fighters without any real benefit?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:45 | Link to Comment Camtender
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http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/f4/geewhiz.htm

 

In 1988, piloted by men younger than the aircraft, the F-4 Phantom competed in its 7th and final William Tell meet. Flying three F-4 aircraft, each bearing the red stars denoting MiG aircraft kills, the Oregon Air National Guard's 142nd Fighter Interceptor Group (FIG) won "Top Gun" in the F-4 category. The Oregon team compiled the meet's only perfect score on the AIM-7 Sparrow radar-guided missile profile. They also tied an F-15 Eagle team for 2nd place in the air superiority profile. Overall, the 25-year-old F-4C aircraft flown by the 142nd FIG beat out two F-15 Eagle teams and one CF-18 team from Canada, finishing 7th in the 12-team competition.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 22:19 | Link to Comment mjcOH1
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"Bt the way, who uses F-4 Phantoms anymore? It was a great plane in Vietnam but doesn't stand a chance against Russia's Mig's or missles."

People who don't plan on engaging Russian pilots in current Russian planes.   NATO member or not.   Ask the French about those sweet Mirage 2000s while we're on the subject of second world 'allies' with third world air forces.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:34 | Link to Comment macroeconomist
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The Turkish newspapers still have not confirmed that the jet was shot by the Syrians and for now, the general reader comments on newspapers mostly question what the fighter jet was doing in Syrian airspace if it was shot there. If, on the other hand, the Syrian defense missiles installed by te Russians were fired into Turkish airspace, then prepare for a massive response from the government and general public and possibly a war between two countries.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:39 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Well according to Turkish sources, the plane WAS  in Turkish airspace when it was shot down.

There's also other sources saying that it was a F-16 AND a F-4 that were shot down over Syria. Other sources say it was only a F-16...

We'll probably never know what really happened.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:34 | Link to Comment phat ho
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Now they've gone and done it. They lanced the boil, picked the scab, dangled the twinkie:

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:35 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Well there's the U.S excuse to start dropping bombs. I wonder if this will be a televised war...er kinetic activity with lot's of spectacular explosions or a secret war....sorry kinetic activity ( there I go again)  that doesn't disrupt dancing with the stars.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:46 | Link to Comment oldmanofthesee
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There will be no action taken by the wonder. No direction and no balls.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:34 | Link to Comment SoCalBusted
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Looking for a black swan?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:50 | Link to Comment mkhs
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No, a black turkey.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 15:13 | Link to Comment mkhs
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duplicate

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:35 | Link to Comment Instant Wealth
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Turkey shot

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:38 | Link to Comment t_kAyk
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shot of Wild Turkey?  Don't mind if I do... 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:35 | Link to Comment Rastamon
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FALSE FLAG !!!   FALSE FLAG !!!   FALSE FLAG !!!   FALSE FLAG !!!   FALSE FLAG !!!   FALSE FLAG !!!   FALSE FLAG !!!   FALSE FLAG !!!   FALSE FLAG !!!   FALSE FLAG !!!   FALSE FLAG !!!   FALSE FLAG !!!   FALSE FLAG !!!   FALSE FLAG !!!   FALSE FLAG !!!   FALSE FLAG !!!   FALSE FLAG !!!   FALSE FLAG !!!   FALSE FLAG !!!   FALSE FLAG !!!   FALSE FLAG !!!   FALSE FLAG !!!   FALSE FLAG !!!  

 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:35 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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The tumbling of alliance.

Not so long ago, even by US citizen standards, Turkey had one boat arrested by Israel marines.

NATO countries did not answer to the call to arms.

They might though when it comes to Syria as they are US citizen nations and US citizenism is about double standard.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:54 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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Yep, if governments can't be bothered to enforce laws, why would ANYONE think that "the alliance will have to come to Turkey's aid"?

Words in books aren't the same thing as foreign policy.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:22 | Link to Comment akak
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Go wok your dog.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:55 | Link to Comment Inthemix96
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Ananonymis.

Fuck off, why cant you go and post your illegible bollocks on a chinese citizenizms web site?  Your wasting your time here dickhead because no one knows what the fuck in blues hell name you are on about.

Chinks, are you all this fucking stupid??????

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 18:10 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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What's the problem?  He fits right in around here. 

He's often incoherent and hates "American Citizenists" just like someone else hates niggers, fat fucks, women, or libruls.

Just another asshole with an axe to grind. 

Sat, 06/23/2012 - 19:23 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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blunderdog said:

Just another asshole with an axe to grind.

Mostly true, although I give him a little more credit than that.

His comments resemble an altered roulette wheel with 24 red spaces and 12 black spaces. When red comes up, the comment is just more idiotic clutter. When black comes up, though, his insanity shines through and gives us an entertaining glimpse of the warped reality he inhabits.

Startlingly, every now and then the roulette ball lands on one of the green spaces, and he makes a comment which is coherent and somewhat sensible.

Sat, 06/23/2012 - 19:41 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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Could be an AI experiment, too.  Pretty inscrutable, them Orientals.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:36 | Link to Comment crawldaddy
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Was Turkey filming some sort of history channel re enactment and flew this ol relict to close to the border?  

Is turkey really 50 years behind the times?  Christ I might have to go there and sell my old , I mean brand new atari 2600 video games to them.  They will be wowed at the tech.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:40 | Link to Comment BandGap
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Turkish planes use the new Commodore 64 supercomputer for it's guidance systems.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:46 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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They recently upgraded their Sinclair ZX81s?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:51 | Link to Comment TaxSlave
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Got a cassette for storage!  You bet that's an upgrade, all right.

 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:52 | Link to Comment tocointhephrase
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You two have just made me feel very old!

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:19 | Link to Comment Ineverslice
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lol

Remember Lunar Landing?  I programmed that kind of a game in high school ('81) on a 64...my God.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:16 | Link to Comment Marginal Call
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FYI, if you click on the "full size image" link on the right of the page, you'll get this:

 

http://old.enciclopedia.com.pt/images/wwi17.gif

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:37 | Link to Comment Terminus C
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Hmmm...

Reported yesterday by the Canadian Broadcasting (Propaganda) Corporation...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/06/21/canada-military-syria-int...

 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:38 | Link to Comment Ms. Erable
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And just yesterday the F-4 crew had stencilled a new name on the craft's fuselage: 'Archduke Ferdinand'.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:37 | Link to Comment optimator
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Probably an RF-4, photo recon.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:31 | Link to Comment Chaos_Theory
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Yep.  They have F-16s for strike, F-5s for interceptors, RF-4s for tactical recon, etc.  Doesn't make them 3rd world or anything...even Germany flies the RF-4 for that purpose.  Why spend the big bucks for strategic recon vehicles if you don't get suckered into playing globocop?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:38 | Link to Comment taint
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turkey flies a turkey?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:41 | Link to Comment BLOTTO
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Another possible pysch-out - and therefore, *NOT* what we think it is.

 

Trying to Decipher the code...

Syria may possibly be the catalyst for the upcoming turmoil in the whole MENA region.

Syria, Turkey, Iran, Sudan (i believe North Sudan) and Libya - with help from Big Bear Russia - against its anti-zionist enemies...

I dont see how Turkey and Syria will become enemies...maybe it will LOOK...APPEAR - as an ILLUSION - that they are enemies...but i dont think they will be...therefore - what is the real MO?

I think it is to MASS troops in that very critical and important zone...It will appear as a peace mission - but is there for totally different reason...for something big later on.

Like maybe to get ready for an attack/counter-attack on Israel and any 'enemy' pro-zionist nation.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:48 | Link to Comment BLOTTO
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Most wars are choreographed.

The outcome is determined in advance.

World War Two was choreographed. Roosevelt, Stalin, Churchill and Hitler were all Illuminati. They were actually all on the same side. Humanity ignorantly slaughtering itself for no reason was on the other side.

And yes of course, the participants are not privy to these plans...

Remember - they own both sides - to control the outcome.

 

Heads they win,

Tails we lose.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:05 | Link to Comment BLOTTO
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While im still baked and talking to myself...

Illuminati ideologies always contain some savory morsels of truth, in order to make the Satanic deception more effective.


In rising above this Illuminati dialectic, our challenge is to digest these nuggets of wisdom, and spit out the evil lies and half-truths that defile them.


***In the end, the real war waged by the Illuminati is a spiritual one.

 

It is NOT merely about which monetary system (Umm, they can 'print' as much fuckin money as they want) is conducive to prosperity or which economic model is optimal. It is not solely about which political system is superior.

It is, at heart, a battle between God and the Devil, for our will - our souls - the ultimate surprise.

What Bigger prize for 'them' than having a human totally submit their will&soul?

A.Nothing...everything else is just physical limited material crap...

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:09 | Link to Comment Global Hunter
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Baked?  Now you get a thumbs up I hear ya now.  Just headed to a nearby lake to jump off some cliffs myself, seriously this is batshit crazy might as well have some fun while we're at it.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:39 | Link to Comment BandGap
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What was a NATO plane, regardless of shape, doing in Syrian airspace to begin with? Step back and watch the show. This is the second act to Egypt not telling it's populace the election results.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:18 | Link to Comment Poetic injustice
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See, it was flying with diplomatic numbers, so immune to any action from other side.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:39 | Link to Comment urbanelf
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F-4?  That's like a biplane, right?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:39 | Link to Comment Never One Roach
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I hate to interrupt this lively chatter, but when do I get my $3,000 "thingamajig" check?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:47 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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Comic relief +1

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:56 | Link to Comment urbanelf
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Whoops!  It's $3,174.23 now.  Will you settle for a doohickey?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:56 | Link to Comment JohnKozac
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"The check is in the mail."

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:21 | Link to Comment Poetic injustice
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Your check is in plane. just hop in and don't worry, autopilot is installed.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:39 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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Time to see if that Nobel Peace Prize was given to the right guy.  Left to the whims of an fool, this could easily snowball into WW3.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:40 | Link to Comment Shameful
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We got any idea who's airspace this happened in?  A Turkish F-4 flying without authorization in Syria is hardly a casus belli for Turkey.  "We invaded them and they responded with force!  We have to kill them!" is a line reserved for the USA.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:42 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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'The Dollar'

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:44 | Link to Comment Mr_Wonderful
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This obviously triggers NATO´s charter five since shooting a mobster that violates your territory constitutes an attack on the Mafia in its entirety.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:44 | Link to Comment ceilidh_trail
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For it's time (late 60's-early 70's) the phantom was a helluva jet. When they added guns and not just missles, it took out lots of MIGs.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:49 | Link to Comment TaxSlave
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After they learned to zoom them and never try to turn with them.  Fast, heavy, and noisy.

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