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Syria Shoots Down NATO-Member Turkey's Military F-4 Jet
Update 4 from the BBC: getting warmer in here.
Turkey's government has called an emergency security meeting amid reports that one of its fighter jets was shot down by Syrian security forces.
The Turkish military earlier said it had lost contact with an F-4 Phantom over the Mediterranean Sea on Friday morning, south-west of Hatay province.
It did not confirm reports that Syrian air defence forces were responsible.
But local media are quoting Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan as saying "the other side have expressed regret".
Mr Erdogan also revealed that the two crew members were safe.
Relations between Turkey and Syria, once close allies, have deteriorated sharply since the uprising against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad began in March 2011.
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Witnesses in the Syrian coastal city of Latakia meanwhile told BBC Arabic that Syrian air defences had shot down an unidentified aircraft near the town of Ras al-Basit.
There was no immediate confirmation from Turkish officials, but later it was announced that Mr Erdogan would be holding an emergency meeting with his top military and intelligence chiefs to discuss the missing plane.
Mr Erdogan was also said to have told Turkish reporters on a flight back from Brazil that "the other side have expressed regret" over the downing of the F-4, and also that the pilots had been recovered.
Update 3: they are making it up as they go along:
- TURKISH PM SAYS HAS NO FIRM INFORMATION ON ANY APOLOGY FROM SYRIA, WILL MAKE FURTHER STATEMENT AFTER SECURITY MEETING
- TURKISH PM SAYS CANNOT SAY WHETHER TURKISH WARPLANE SHOT DOWN OR CRASHED, NO NEWS ON PILOTS - TURKISH TV
Looks like everyone is trying to position appropriately.
Update 2 from Syria: Oops, sorry.
Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said on Friday that Syria had admitted it shot down a Turkish warplane in the Mediterranean and that Damascus had apologized.
The two pilots of the Turkish F-4 fighter jet are alive, Erdogan had earlier said, before holding a press conference in Ankara.
“At this moment the air force and navy are conducting search and rescue operations in the western Mediterranean and luckily our pilots are alive, we have just lost a plane,” he told journalists while travelling back from Brazil.
Earlier, the Turkish army said it lost radar and radio contact with one of its aircrafts on the Mediterranean near neighboring Syria, and a television station said it had crashed in Syrian territorial waters.
But Lebanon’s Hezbollah-owned Al-Manar television station said that Syrian air defenses shot down the Turkish military aircraft, quoting Syrian security sources.
“Syrian security sources confirmed to a Manar correspondent in Damascus that Syrian defense forces shot down the Turkish fighter jet,” the Hezbollah-owned channel said.
Turkey, which had drawn close to Syria before the uprising against Assad, became one of the Syrian leader’s fiercest critics when he responded violently to pro-democracy protests inspired by popular upheavals elsewhere in the Arab world.
Ankara has previously floated the possibility of setting up some kind of safe haven or humanitarian corridor inside Syria, which would entail military intervention, but has said it would undertake no such action without U.N. Security Council approval.
Turkey said it had lost contact with one of its military aircraft off its southeastern coast, and a television station said it had crashed in Syrian territorial waters.
The plane took off from Malatya airbase in the southeast at 0730 GMT and lost communication with the base at 0858 GMT in the southwest of the Hatay province bordering Syria, the military command said in a statement posted online.
“Search and rescue efforts have started immediately,” it said.
Update from Al Jazeera: Turkish PM says cannot say whether Turkish warplane shot down or crashed, no news on pilots.
Just when the geopolitical tensions in the middle east appeared to be abating, and Brent was on a gentle glideslope to whatever price will greenlight the NEW QE now that fears of an Iran war have been very much silenced, things change. Reuters reports that Syria shot down a Turkish warplane on Friday, according to Lebanon's al-Manar television reported, "risking a new crisis between Middle Eastern neighbours already at bitter odds over a 16-month-old revolt against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad." "Syrian security sources confirmed to a Manar correspondent in Damascus that Syrian defence forces shot down the Turkish fighter jet," the Hezbollah-owned channel said."
Here is the rub: Turkey is a NATO member, and by definition the alliance will have to come to Turkey's aid if requested. Syria, however is not just any country as has been made quite clear over the past several months of UN impotence: it is a critical staging ground for both Russia (which has a very critical regional naval base in the city of Tartus) and China, and according to the Jerusalem Post, the three countries are in preparation to conduct the "largest ever" war game. As such Syria, already gripped by fierce local fighting, where just like in Egypt and Libya the presence of US-based flipflop on the ground can be smelt from across the Atlantic, is merely a symbol. The real implication is how far can little escalations push until finally the showdown begins, with NATO on one side and Russia and China on the other?
From Reuters:
Turkey, which had drawn close to Syria before the uprising against Assad, became one of the Syrian leader's fiercest critics when he responded violently to pro-democracy protests inspired by popular upheavals elsewhere in the Arab world.
Ankara has previously floated the possibility of setting up some kind of safe haven or humanitarian corridor inside Syria, which would entail military intervention, but has said it would undertake no such action without U.N. Security Council approval.
Turkey said it had lost contact with one of its military aircraft off its south-eastern coast, and a television station said it had crashed in Syrian territorial waters.
CNN Turk television said Turkey was in contact with the Syrian authorities to get permission to conduct a search for the airmen, although there was no immediate official confirmation.
Turkey's military said a search and rescue operation was under way. It lost radar and radio contact with the plane after it left Erhac airport in the eastern province of Malatya.
Two crew were aboard the F-4 jet, Turkish state news agency Anatolia said, citing Malatya governor Ulvi Saran.
Hurriyet daily newspaper reported that the plane had gone down in international waters and that the two airmen had been found alive and well by Turkish forces.
Be on the lookout for the official Turkish response: it may not happy. Especially if this is merely the latest variation on a very old false flag theme, or merely media manipulation seeking to inflame tensions and incite a Syrian invasion.
And for those wondering, yes, the F-4 still exists, and more shockingly, it still flies.
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Nothing compared to these:
F-104
My cousin flew those in Vietnam.
that starfighter looks like a long tube with tiny wings and a huge engine. I'm no aeronautical engineer but they don't look stable
Nothing with wing anhedral is stable
you have introduced me to a new concept (anhedral, dihedral) I am reading up,
Fast mattered, noise didn't. Heavy because they where multirole fighter bombers. They had capability of carrying 9 tons of weapons, mach 2+, very high ceiling, etc. Not as good as todays planes,but good in their time- same will be said someday for what we use now. Build cost 1/5 that of F16.
Latest...
Turkish PM Erdogan: I don't know if Syria apologized and if they did, why. We will make this all clear later.
Erdogan: no news of the pilots, we will discuss the F-4 soon in a security meeting….
Turkish PM says he is going to a meeting with the military to find out more information.
Surely, an F-4 being shot down cannot go unpunished. Only total war can rectify such a heinous act.
No news on pilots? Is there a RC version of the F-4?
And there i was checking Turkish bank put options...
Well now they will have to replace that fully-depreciated (and then some) F-4 with a shiny new F/A-18 Super Hornet. Remind me which country makes those?
The one with the SuperHornet seeking radar, invisible planes to defeat the radar we sold you, computer guided explosive telephone poles [cruise missiles]and now; predator drones.
Oh, and BTW, I forgot to mention the 0% financing for 60 months (or until your government is overthrown by a Moslem theocracy, whichever occurs first).
Ruh-roh....
Here's your Flase Flag distraction on a slow Friday news day when the only thing the sheeple are thinking about is the last NBA team to win the Championship.
Also serves to distract from Criminal Holder and Obamas accessory to the murder of Boder Patrol Agent Brian Terry and their implication in Fast & Furious.
... and the ObamaCare act ruling in SCOTUS.
LATEST NEWS... Turkish PM now going into an emergency security meeting.
Conference in about 2 hours... (or so they say)
Very latest, looks like no big deal.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18554246
Most of this article is BS.
But local media are quoting Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan as saying "the other side have expressed regret".
LIE number 1.
Mr Erdogan also revealed that the two crew members were safe.
LIE number 2.
The BBC are lying their asses off.
I'm sure Krugman is gleefully clapping in his living room right now. Only 2 billion dead is required this time around, then we can really see GDP soar in the post-war years. There's really nothing quite like putting tens of thousands of people to work decontaminating major cities, and rebuilding them from the ground up to spark economic growth.
Sure, it's just about time for the elites to get another World War going since it ALWAYS helps their bottom line .... the banks would love it since it fits them to a T. Of course the middle and lower strata of society will pay with their money and lives but the elites don't give a damn about that. Not a wit.
Two time Medal of Honor winner Maj Gen Smedley Butler, USMC, called it correctly when he pronounced WAR IS A RACKET.....
First off - the Turks are still flying F-4s? My goodness, they haven't been built in more than 30 years! Just incredible that they are still flying. Why are they still using those antiques when they have F-16s?
That aside, we've got an "out" if Turkey invokes NATO - they told us to get stuffed in 2003 when we wanted transit for troops heading towards Iraq. If they ask for our assistence, we can just tell them to get stuffed - and, additionally, we can also entirely reconsider our "alliance" with Turkey in light of the Turkish government going full blown Islamist.
Additionally, Obama won't go to war in Syria - whether you think we should or shouldn't (I think we shouldn't - though we should use the turmoil to leverage Syria out of Lebanon), the plain fact of the matter is that any attempt to intervene will be long, messy and expensive...not something Obama wants four months in front of election day.
Dubious hypothesis.
SR..... surely you jest.
wag the dog...
he's looking for a chance to show he has a penis
Too much luck involved in war - while there might be a desire to have a "rally 'round the flag" event, there is always the risk that something will go horribly wrong - and as Obama would never get Congressional authorization for military intervention, he'd be all on his own out there if it blew up in his face.
Why use an F4? That's a good question. Sounds like a plane the Turks wouldn't miss being shot down if you ask me.
But who knows, maybe this is legit. With all the trouble going on in the region something like this was bound to happen. To quote "Hunt For the Red October":
"This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it."
All it takes is one 18 year old conscript to accidently put the surface-to-air missile system in full-autonomous mode...
Very true. Think of all the times there were almost incidents in the cold war between the US and Russia, and those were top-of-the-line troops. Now imagine the same weapons system in the hands of a poorly trained, tired, scared kid who sees a blip on the radar screen.
Most of the Cold War even the big boys had conscripts. I think the U.S. went volunteer in the late 70s.
That scenario makes lots of "Occam's Razor" sense to me, or even a hydraulic or engine malfunction, which if the aircraft was in fact doing recon, would mean low-level and only seconds of reaction time for the pilot. Either way, I don't believe for a second that if the RF-4 was shot down that it was some intentional act with Syrian high-command giving an order.
The Russians may have had conscripts, but most of those were put into infantry, armor, or supply duties. The more desirable jobs went to either kids of politboro/party members, or career military. Running a SAM station or missle silo was a hell of a lot better detail than marching across the Ural mountains with the infantry.
As far as accident or incident, time will tell. The Fog of war pretty much guarantees that the first reports are wrong...
It could, indeed, spiral out of control - with Iran and Turkey at loggerheads and other parties joining in. Our job - if we had anyone in the White House with sense - is to just wait for the proper moment to leverage Syria out of Lebanon. We do that then we win in this crisis no matter what happens in Syria (and whatever that is, it won't be good - either the hideous Assad regime will survive or it will be replaced by an equally hideous rebel regime).
Did that Syrian pilot defect yesterday in Jordan?
http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.com/2012/06/did-syrian-pilot-willi...
brian comment clipped...
" The defected pilot yesterday was a colonel in Syrian Air Forces, a Sunni from Idleb..? Remember: Idleb is another cradle or stronghold of the 'revolution' of the Sunnis against a sectarian oppressive regime.. Secondly, the entire defection thing with the plane is a mere public stunt meant to add to the propaganda used against Syria in a simple way: The Gaddafi Moment. NATO accused Gaddafi of many things, which we are discovering it were all fabrications and media propaganda, including a 'turning point' when they brought a defector who claimed he was given orders to bomb civilians but refused. If we consider Syria now, only the Sheeple fools would believe of the possibility to bomb civilians by air, ground or sea, in a country like Syria where there's no pure towns based on sectarian or ethnic backgrounds. Everybody lives next to each other, so bombing, shelling or whatever strikes against such populations would not differentiate between a Sunni, a Shi'ite, a Christian, a Alawite, or a loyal or an opposition.. That's an exclusive act done only by moron criminals like NATO heads droning villages & towns including NATO Turkey droning Kurdish villages in the south east of Turkey where sectarian lines were promoted by the Muslim Brotherhood government of Erdogan. Thirdly, the pilot is from Idleb, bordering Turkey where the terrorist organization FSA (the umbrella which Al Qaeda among others fight under, ask Panetta & Dempsey) operates across the borders and where most of the terrorists are brought in Syria with the help of CIA, MI6 and others including French and Turkey's intel, and many defectors were smuggled out through that route. So why would an officer from that border city in the North West of Syria, go all the way to the south of Syria and defect to Jordan instead of simply crossing the borders and joining the FSA ranks? Fourthly, some would say because he needed to take the plane with him, and here I humbly remind you that MiG 21 was first produced in 1959 and retired in 1990s, it's an over 40 years old plane in the service of Syrian Air Forces for the purpose of training, so it is not used for military actions and considering the 'rebels' receiving advanced ground to air missiles from the USA, it's impossible even to consider using such an old plane in military actions. Not to mention that per international law and treaties related, the hosting country of a defecting pilot is obliged to return the plane and can keep the pilot in the event it grants him a political asylum status, which by the way includes preventing him from carrying out any political activities. The Jordanian government granted the defecting pilot political asylum status within a couple of hours (the fastest grant of such in the history of asylums, usually takes months)."
Was it the Russian anti air that took the plane down as the Syrian copters returned to Russian port?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/16/world/europe/russia-sending-air-and-se...
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120622/174188356.html
turkish traitors.
they allow the israeli army to shoot humiliate and kill turkish peacniks on ships and do nothing.
they fly a tired filthy turk shit brick over syria and let it get
taken out by a 1980s israeli mossad fim -92 stinger.
israel and the turk killing their own people for a sick thesis, antithesis, synthesis hegelian agenda.
Good cop, bad cop, US citizen style.
Bad turd, digested-dog turd, roadside turd: Chinese Citizenism style.
Everyone's a US citizen!
With eternal nature!
Make me laugh!
Free Tibet!
+1
So the F4 is very stealthy right, or have they forgot Syria has S300's and advanced radar systems.
"Along with the missiles, the report says that Russia has installed advanced radar systems in all key Syrian military and industrial installations. The radar system also covers areas north and south of Syria, where it will be able to detect movement of troops or aircraft towards the Syrian border. The radar targets include much of Israel, as well as the Incirlik military base in Turkey, which is used by NATO" *
*http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/150059#.TwryzG_9OsQ
tyler appears to be spearheading the MSM management of public opinion for the ww.propwash here...
big-shot highly paid troll for sale much tyler? L0L!!!
Why is everyone saying this is a false flag? I mean, just because Turkey dug this plane out of an aircraft junk yard last week and got it flying with WD-40 and duct tape, pulled two Kurds out of prison, put them in the plane and told them to fly south, what could be suspicious about that? I mean, its not like nato wants a war or anything.
/sarc
your Daddy working for the airline union or somethin??
It doesn't take Gordon Gecko insider info to see this one. The oldest plane in their fleet and they are sending it to patrols near the Syrian border?
But as I said further up this thread, it may be completely legit too. Lots of tension in the area, and I'm sure trigger fingers are a bit itchy.
Maybe nothing hostile happened, maybe it was not a false flag. Maybe a 30+ year old aircraft just had metal fatigue issues.
Why are they still flying F-4s? well, they have been waiting for 15 years for the Eurofighter Typhoons and F-35s they ordered. Hope they didn't put down too big of a downpayment.
You mean, "metal fatigue problems".
"Issues" are NOT necessarily "problems". Please stop misusing this word in this way --- it comes across as ignorant.
problems have solutions.
If your wing tears off in mid-flight due to metal fatigue, there is no 'solution' to keep flying.
If you're going to try to correct someone, maybe use a more appropriate term.
I would say that having my plane's wing come off in mid-flight would certainly be a problem.
And no, problems do NOT always have solutions. Where did you come up with that idea, anyway? The word "issue" was not widely misued and misconstrued with the word "problem" until just the last few years --- so did the laws of reality somehow change in the recent past?
is·sue
5. Informal A personal problem or emotional disorder: The teacher discussed the child's issues with his parents.
not exactly the correct use when talking about metal fatigue, I agree, however:
prob·lem
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any question or matter involving doubt, uncertainty, or difficulty. 2.
a question proposed for solution or discussion. 3.
Mathematics . a statement requiring a solution, usually by means of a mathematical operation or geometric construction. adjective
4.
difficult to train or guide; unruly: a problem child. 5.
Literature . dealing with choices of action difficult either for an individual or for society at large: a problem play. I suppose you could argue that having the wing come off a plane could be considered a matter involving difficulty, as it may be difficult to eject in time. At the time of the actual incident, predicament would be a better term to use; however, the general condition of metal fatigue prior to such an incident would not be considered a problem, or it would be dealt with prior to using the aircraft. A more appropriate way to say it would be that the plane may have suffered from metal fatigue.
and just in time to drown out SCOTUS obamacare ruling news on monday
Recently posted on Craigslist:
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13 March 1962 - MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE
Subject: Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba (TS)
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf
And in Egypt, it's about to get nasty as well...
CNN: Egypt's ex-prime minister Ahmed Shafik to be named president Sunday, semi-official news agency Al Ahram reports.
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!
At least the F4 didn't suffocate it's pilots like the F-"Hal"22
Pilot is just a surplus requirement.
Pilots? We don't need not stinkin' pilots!
Well, I thought my $100 CDS on "Mid east act of war/ shot down aircraft between two nations no later than October" had triggered, so I'm packin' for Disneyland, as it pays X1000. Called JPM, turns out the fine print says only if Iran and Portugal are involved with FA-18/F aircraft. Who knew Portugal was a ME nation? Alas, no CDS trigger! TURNS OUT...I owe them another $200. Why do I buy the things w/out reading the fine print??
Dang, and I got junked for posting this story nearly 3 hours ago (@ 9:42AM EDT)
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/ecb-officially-announces-easing-collateral-rules-confirms-europe-has-run-out-assets?page=1
Oh well, post and never look back :D
removed
al Qaeda's 'Seven Phase War' (? - 2020)
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2005/08/the_seven_phase.php
Note: Turkey and Syria
the flying brick the turk version of the uss enterprise..technologies so ancient and desperate for false flag events.
the turk has another 35 tired crewed planes blindfolded chained up kurdish prisoners.
using a fly by wire system kamakazi like they will be fired in the general direction of syria until the required tipping point decided by the banks.
incoming brick.
followed by yet another depleted uranium missile shit storm.
anyone interested in depleted uranium should google.
fallujah birth defects
Turkish PM says loss of $5,625 including pilots. Plane was due to be scrapped next week.
“Witnesses spotted two jets flying in from Turkish territory. One of the planes went down in Syria’s territorial waters, while the other one made off,” says Ihab Sultan, a local correspondent in Syria, told RT.
http://www.rt.com/news/turkey-contact-aircraft-sea-498/
US tried from the very beginning to pull Turkey into the conflict with Syria. But its not working this time as it did not work the last time with Iraq.
Nato "partners" Turkey and US are in principle enemy combattants. The US tried two time durring the last five years to bring their military men in Turkey to power again. But both revolts were crushed by Turkey and the participating generals are imprisoned.
But the US has huge airbases in Turkey. The Turks would be very happy to see the US go, better today than tomorrow.
The US is beefing-up militarily the Kurds in Iraq and Iran. This is a enormous threat to Turkey, because the "Turkish Kurds" are living in the mountenous areas of Anatolia and the Taurus mountains which are essential for Turkey, because there the water supply for the whole region has its origin. The one who controls these areas controls the water of Iraq and Syria. What the Turks fear like the cholera is that the Kurds do get an own state in the occupied territory of Iraq. But this area is called by the US soldiers stationed there, today already Kurdistan .
But things are much more complicated. Assad was and is a long time friend of the Kurds. The Kurds had since long some kind of autonomy in their territory in Syria bordering Turkey. Syria was the refugee place in their darkest hours. Thats why the US was not able till now to convince the Kurds to start war with Assad. Another reason is, that the Kurds know very well, that they can not trust the US since they were already two times betrayed by them, with catastrophic results. They know, that the US likes them to stirr-up the region but when it comes to the point of a really independent Kurdistan , No way. Thus the Kurds have the choice, but whatever they do its wrong. So they do nothing. The same accounts for the Turks. They fear a full scale Kurdish uprising backed by the US since it would result in a full scale war killing all the progress Turkey has made economically during the last 20 years.
So in principle everyone is at everyonce throat and the fact, that Russia and China are also having a say - both are best friends with Turkey and Syria, as well as with Iran. Russia has a military base in Syria. And Iran is also in excellent terms with Turkey. The Turks do not embargo their neighbor Iran because of humanitary reasons and because its excellent business. Its their befriended neighbor. That China needs Iran and Iran needs Chian goes without saying.
So, the whole region or maybe the whole world is in danger to be set on fire. Everybody there (except AlQuada) would be happy seeing the US/UK leaving Jordan and Libanon, which are the starting points for their attacks against Assad. Then peace could come back. But this would mean a mayor defeat for US/UK in one extreme important region. It would then not longer make sense to stay in Turkey, because Turkey is in best terms with Russia and China. The oil and gas from the Black Sea region would flow unhindered to Europe paid for in Euros, which is seen in Turkey as a very stable currency. It should also not be forgotten that Turkey is an associated member of the EU and it is since long applying for full term membership for the EU. So its for the US a make or break situation. In case they fail there it could be already the end of the Dollar empire.
HmHm, quite many make or break situations for the US at the same time. Afghanistan, Pakistan, Georgia, Yemen, Bahrain, etc, etc. Plus the economic meltdown at home which is only stretched by excessive money printing . Currency union between China and Japan, currency swap agreements between, China, Iran, Russia, Australia, Brasil, South Africa. A competitive international banking system is intsalled by these nations and others. .
Its not yet all lost for the US but its a bloody business the US is executing. And one thing is clear as glass. Militarily the US can only win at the price of their own total destroyment. But economically the war seems to me lost already if not a wonder happens. Its getting dangerous because the whole thing might get completely out of control. The 0.1 % of the US should think now very long and deep if its all worth to continue the old path.
makes sense to me. sorta like a mini-Pearl
btw friends, do you wonder why the brave UN "observers" are hanging in there despite their mission being suspended? spycraft, of course http://www.rt.com/news/syria-un-mission-spy-mood-187/
Thanks, +1
What does Syria have to benefit by this action?
Who does benefit?
In the end, it always boils down to the same thing. The only question that needs to ever be asked: Cui bono?
Qui prodest?
wanted to translate 'cui bono' to 'who gets a boner'.. dismissed it in the same second, too stupid... but wait...
I pass...I dont have seven spades to preempt with.
Eurocup 2012 - Syria 1 Turkey 0......And the fans are going crazy...
What sector was this in? Somebody call these guys stat!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAfbp3YX9F0
Yes but have you heard? Them damn dirty gays went to the white house and flipped off Reagan. Damn homosexuals
That's sarcasm btw for those of you who don't get sarcasm..... You know who you are.
I'm not sure how to take your comment. There was no /sarcasm tag. I think I'm offended.
Are you sure there was no sarcasm tag? I must be slipping or something. It was meant to offend somebody .... Who that somebody is remains to be seen.
Was that meant as an insult?!
Now Rex... Would I insult you? The only way I can insult you is if you let it. Sticks and stones..... And all that. :->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjMYQyhjiYA
Lol .Are you insulting me? I think I'm offended :->
Fuck this. Turkeys should stick to sending flotillas anyold place.
And since this is a financial blog, it pays to look at some of that avian's fundamentals.
Just visited Fox News, MSNBC, and CNN; they are barely covering this story. To me this means this must be a legitimate accident, otherwise it would be plastered across the front pages of those puppet mouthpieces.
Accident or wasn't a planned false-flag. Turkey probably didn't think that Syria had the balls or the capabilities to shoot down their planes.
Merely a False False flag attack aka FFA2
Latest update : http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=274855
Ankara denies reports that Syria admitted shooting down plane and apologized.And another...
https://twitter.com/#!/MahirZeynalov
Turkish journalist with Today's Zaman. Blogging on Mideast, Turkey, Israel, Syria, Iran, Southeast Asia, US foreign policy. Former LA Times correspondent.
Turkey's ruling party deputy says if the Turkish fighter jet was downed by Syria, it is clearly a "declaration of war."
Yeah well what the fuck were you doing in their airspace?? Tourism?
I hear Damascus is lovely in the summer
I doubt syria, meaning the only legitimate government of Syria, had anything to do with this. What is quite likely is that the Nato/USA backed mercenary provocateurs that have been in there for over a year now brought down the Jet, which was probably a sacrificial lamb. Hillary has her little pudgy hands full here... Egypt's military will not coop with her handover of the country to the islamofascists, Assad won't roll over without taking a lot of casualties, and power in Libya has yet to consolidate with the west's puppet IF[islamofascist] regime.
See Kids, this is what happens when you are solvent, don't owe much debt, and are relatively peaceful [name quickly all the wars started by Libya and Syria in the last decade or two], and protect a christian minority [Hussein did [past tense], Quadaffi did [ditto], Assad does [next to go]]. What the western central bankers want is mayhem, with lots of "loan packages" being made to all sides of the conflicts, then they get to pick the winner. its a great business.
NATO used the same remote control mechanism they used on the ones that went into the World Trade Centers. What a coincidence that the remote controlled flying machines started coming out just after 911.
Give me an F. Give me a U. Give me a ....
Here we go again. That fuckin Bernanke.
So, outdated Russian AA missiles work! Over Serbia way out of date Soviet missiles downs a stealth USAF plane.
Now, imagine what modern S-300 and S-400 mobile systems can do.
No wonder NATO crys a river everytime Russia threatens to sell these systems to countries like Iran! As Israel has said, "Iran with S-300 is a game changer and likely a war triggering event".
nawww..... its a live-fire test of our new missle-packing drone capability.
seems to have worked, but then the F4 is ours... I wonder, was this F4 one of those refurbs from south vietnam?
F-4 is a piece of shit anyway. It looks like things are all staged up to the point of eruption. Goldman recommends short, right?
Latest...
Turkish President Gul on downed Turkish warplane near Syria's Latakia: Officials will announce details when things are clear.
Me thinks he's mobilizing the army before announcing the truth...
If WWIII starts CNBC will be talking up all the rebuilding and the spark of new industries and how bullish it will be for stocks. The market seemed to get a little jump out of it so far.
THUD!
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/06/more_on_the_turkey-syria_i...
More on the Turkey-Syria IncidentRe Syria Shoots Down NATO Member's Turkey.
Didn't know turkeys could fly that high.
Saw a Butterball flap its wings once - got about 5 inches off the ground for about 1.5 secs. before collapsing into a heap.
FISH ON!!!!!!!!
F-4 may be outdated, especially as far as it's electronics, but it is still a Mach 2.2 aircraft that can lift 18,000 pounds of boom.
If it was in Syria's airspace, Nato's Article 5 (of the Washington treaty) about mutual defense does not apply. All foreign fighter planes violating Syria's airspace deserve to be shot down.
Even Imperial fighter planes, or drones?
First of all, plane has only or less than scrap value. But: who cares about Syria? It's nowhere on the agenda. And I make a big bet that the US are heavily supporting B. Assad. He is ( for the time being) the only grantor of stability. Israel by the way is more than comfortable with the actual situation. To put it in a nutshell: whether 100 or 200 die, no one cares and "all" know, that no one cares, that's why, people are only yawning about Syria.
These are the people that John McCain, shillin' for the war establishment, wants to partner with:
"Almost all towns are under the government control except for Homs, where rebels [read: 'useful idiots'] and ‘terrorists’ [read 'mercenaries bought with western loanshark usd'] have asked the army to leave – otherwise they have threatened to kill the civilians. [read: 'and blame the Syrian government, broadcasting via BBC, PRI, NPR, AP, UPI']"
I note that there is not a shred of real "reporting" on typical media in the western world. amazing how many of those poor peasant freedom-fighters in all these ME states speak such excellent English... and they always seem to be in the same place 'cuz I hear the same sounds of distant gunfire....
http://www.rt.com/news/homs-army-leave-civilians-311/
Re Syria Shoots down TURKEY's Plane
Sounds like FOWL play to me.
Here is another perspective, including Bilderberg mention, regarding the situation:
http://www.infowars.com/downed-turkish-jet-will-be-used-by-west-to-draw-...
How fucking stupid does a country have to be to engage in war with China and Russia? Just ask the USA.
What's the point in fighting over Syria with planes and boats when all the big players have big nukes? Is the loser just going to back down without launching them?
There is no winner. I don't understand why that's so hard to see.
It's not that hard to see when you realize that it's population reduction and resource wars that matter to TPTB.
And once again confirmation that Obama is tptb's candidate
Any bets on the missle being a US stinger? Obama is in trouble, bring on the false flags... Iran... be patient, you are next... OR, another BO exec order, no more elections...
BREAKING! Security summit of Erdogan, chief of general staff and ministers, where they discussed the crashed jet in Syria, has just ended.
US says it asked Turkey about the downed Turkish fighter jet in Syria. "We will let Turks speak out."
Senior adviser to the Turkish president tells @AlArabiya that reports on Syria apology over missing jet 'baseless'
3 Russian warship file paperwork to transit into Med next week maybe on their way to #Syria
CNN learns USS Ponce warship transits Suez Friday--on way to PG--SEALS may board eventually (this ship is a forward base for mine counter... war against Iran is drawing nearer)
Erdogan's meeting with his military staff has been over for at least an hour and still no statement... something is brewing.
The Phantom, known as a ''flying rock'', at the ''barstool'', http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zgsIdMa8qA
...she's a real quiet gal, lol. (sings like a prophetic Opera Singer) That turnKEY TurKEY is a real dumb bird, probably flew right into the mouth of the Syrian beast thinking she was UNlocking the code door to the Tartus deck party house at Tarsus. LMAO. The whore gets lost easy. Blaa haa haa haaa, ewe... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnYzQsZXIRc
It was an accident! Has to be.
Would not be surprised when they crashed the plane on purpose. War is not coming as fast as they wished I guess...
Would not be surprised when they crashed the plane on purpose. War is not coming as fast as they wished I guess...
WK 3. In Farbe und in Bunt. Or as i may quote a gentleman from the old country: "Now go and buy yourself a machete."
bullish for O's re-election efforts
You actually have to give tptb some credit here, in this case the Turks, as some more virulent "conspiracy theorists" claim, are some kind of "Khazarian Jew". And now they started the Great War, uh "once again".
Encore, 'Griechische Maurergilde'
later, that same day...
"Mein Fuhrer! I can walk!"
Turkey and Syria have had a few spats recently. Acording to the BEEB Syria have just acepted responsibility for the downing of the craft.
I dont think anything will come of this...OH thats a bright ligh...
Turkey will not tolerate the shooting down of one of their aircraft by the Syrians. The Turk's are a proud people and their military is tough as they come.
If Assad doesn't prostrate himself before the Turks, then he will face the consequences.
Yeah buddy I hear you! They were uber tough when Bibi shot up their citizens and spanked that Food Flotilla. I bet their knees are still scuffed up from the brave stand they took over that one.
In fact I forgot how many Turks were killed? And what exactly did they do in response, me memory is a little foggy on that one amigo.... I hardly remember any 'consequences' hmmm but I believe you, I am sure the Turks are tough as hell just as you say....
I don't believe this story. You can't get an F4 airborne.
Ill advised-- ill advised. The Turks will make quick work of the Syrian "Air Force" if they get their blood up, which they will. It would be like the Canadians shooting down a Maine Air National Guard plane that flew over Moncton or St. John. Like I've said, the Turks would bring back peace and order to Syria, like in the days circa 1899.....