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Everybody, yeeeeeah, Rock your body right, Greece is back, alright

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Sat, 09/10/2011 - 13:35 | 1654625 ThatGuyEhler
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Don't worry, everything is fine. Go about your business, don't prepare, it's all going to be OK. <sarc>

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 17:10 | 1655066 AldousHuxley
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Greek "economy":

40% of labor in public service

15% in tourism


The secret is neighboring Islamic Turkey is the capitalist now





Sat, 09/10/2011 - 17:55 | 1655120 MassDecep
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That's the attitude of 99% of the sheeple. This is really going to be interesting. 

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 02:44 | 1655783 Shredd the FED
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An amazing interview with a KGB agent... MUST WATCH!!! 

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 17:30 | 1657374 X.inf.capt
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this is going to be tragic, nothing ever good comes out of the collapse of a fiat currency, as i said before, you get,

1. authoritairian goverment

2. military dictatorship


3. civil war

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 13:37 | 1654629 EscapeKey
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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:12 | 1654855 Poetic injustice
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If he would have believed and done that, Cuba would have been a better place.
So this is just politico-speak.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:18 | 1654976 JW n FL
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just politico-speak


let's all hold hands across America and pray that the Lobby Whores in Washington DC and their owners on Wall Street will stop raping and murdering Main Street?

it has been 40 plus! years of NO CHNAGES and shit getting worse and worse.. and if we look at history! this shit isnt even a new issue! just better managed by our Owners!

after the Rockefellers Murdered all of those people.. they moved onto propaganda / population management. <---- Thanks "CD"

which leads us to today's modern day robbery's!

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! what should we do? Protest? Voting with Bullets is to, too much! the Nazi Pigs Vote with Bullets all the time! handcuff you! then shoot you in the back! like the fucking cowards they are!

So! what if NOT! force should we use to defend ourselves from being robbed blind?

and with all the drama the Government is creating.. what makes you think that Population Management is NOT! what the Government wants!

Maybe they want us all to kill each other.. so the polite lil Mexicans can work in this new service economy that has been developed by sending all the manufacturing jobs elsewhere around the world?

when will it be appropriate to do SOMETHING! to stem the Destruction of America?

Law Enforcement.. Sworn to Up Hold the Law!! only Preys on working people or "We the People".. Never do they lift a Finger against Wall Street! Never do they lift a finger against the Lobby Whores who have sold our entire manufacturing base / tax base to other Countries! if that is NOT Treason I dont know what the Fuck is??

So! Tell Me! what the other thing to do is? no one is going to fight back! no one will get off their ass until they get hungry.

when these idiots start making people hungry! when the "We the People" realize that the entire manufacturing base has been shipped off to another country!! then there will be some justice! REAL JUSTICE handed out!

and the Nazi Pigs who still have their Union and Pensions.. will have to earn their money gunning down "We the People"! No worries the Army will help! Shit maybe the Rockefellers will hire the National Guard AGAIN!!


Sat, 09/10/2011 - 18:28 | 1655174 KrugerrandFan
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Thanks for the links JW n FL

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 19:02 | 1655248 The Deleuzian
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where's your tip jar dude!

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 19:13 | 1655261 KrugerrandFan
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Interesting film.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 22:11 | 1655530 LasVegasDave
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Its too bad labor cant be put down like that anymore.

Collective bargaining and minimum wage laws have driven most middle class jobs to China.  Thank the unions and their lobbyists.

You are a corrupt propogandist JW, and do your idol Herr Goebbels proud.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 03:20 | 1655796 AnAnonymous
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Collective bargaining and minimum wage laws have driven most middle class jobs to China. Thank the unions and their lobbyists.


Outsourcing (moving jobs out of an area) is the result of Smithian Economics.

As a zone grows richer, it naturally expells all jobs whose output is not valued enough to afford living on the richer and richer zone.

Unions have little to do with Smithian mechanics. Unions have made the best out of a determined situation.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 13:27 | 1660142 AldousHuxley
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What the rich elites don't want union haters to know:


That capital have more unions then is called concentrated capital. These day and age everything is for sale. capital is king. capital can pay off union leaders to go fuck themselves or to kill the laborers. what can labor do except to riot?


Since 1980s capital has flexed its power over labor. Time for labor to come back otherwise, US will become 3rd world. Gadaffi and sons will have all of the capital to control nation's resources while labor is stuck on where they are born into. I hope you are so filthy rich that your kids will be ok just from your inheritance and a walmart greeter job. Because pretty soon, college is going to cost their arm, professional school is going to cost their leg, and a safe home will cost their brains just to have the same quality of life boomers have enjoyed. Only way for your daughters to imrove their situation is to suck an old rich bankster dick.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 23:43 | 1655647 Michael
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What is the Chinese pay rate at which the US can compete with them? 10c, 20c, 30c, 40c, 50c? It appears today it is 50 cents.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 02:56 | 1655785 LasVegasDave
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Labor is worth what someone is willing to pay for it, nothing more. 

$30 per hour for running a drill press? 

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 10:52 | 1656036 Andre
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  • Run a manual mill, parts to .001 tolerance.
  • Run a manual lathe, parts to .001 tolerance
  • Modify a hot (electricity on) 480 v electrical panel - no gloves, drilling required
  • Repair complex industrial machinery - electrical, electronic, hydraulic, pneumatic, mechanical
  • Modify/extend the capabilities of machinery
  • Repair indoor and outdoor lighting
  • Preventive machinery maintenance - oil, grease, air filters, adjustment
  • Provide own tools for 95% of work


Try running a drill press well enough to get the job and keep it. Not as simple as it sounds.


Mon, 09/12/2011 - 13:11 | 1660091 AldousHuxley
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In China you can live with $1/day, in US you cannot due to purchace price parity


Society is responsible in shaping how labor can earn a human being can improve themselves. Society defines the rules of engagement. That's why we dont' have slavery. Earning money as a slave trader is something modern societies will not allow because that is not a fair competition.


Study what happens when you have concentration of capital. Capital then starts overpowering labor to a point labor no longer has a choice. Capital will dictate that you work for $1/hour becuase there are no other employers and avenues to improve your situation has been banned and also owned by the same capital. When walmart is the only game in a small town with shitty education/hospital/police and lying media (ie. fox news) due to walmart owners not paying their fair share and with the wealth they control education/police/hospitals/media to their favor, then what is a small towner to do?They end up fighting for more tax cuts for walmart owners after being brainwashed by Fox News.


Founder of walmart built a business....what did their kids to except born into it that they deserve billions while a talented kid with high IQ and high potential is robbed his opportunity to contribute to the greater good of society?


Measure society by how talented people improve themselves through hard work. For last 30 years, middle class went nowhere but they worked harder (productivity increased, education levels increased, work hours increased, personal sacrifices increased)


Sun, 09/11/2011 - 01:48 | 1655769 Hugh_Jorgan
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A wise man once said of social change: "never run from something, run to something". Long term success of "Revolution" has only been realized one time in history for this very reason.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 09:54 | 1655979 Are you kidding
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It happened on "virgin" ground...not much of that around any more.  Are you saying the fix doesn't come until we colonize space?

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 13:38 | 1654634 President Palin
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Change you can bereave in.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 13:53 | 1654668 Civil Shepard
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Love it

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 00:29 | 1655706 Yen Cross
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I like the female " Chivalry"...


    MOON Lighting!

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 13:39 | 1654637 Motorhead
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Sat, 09/10/2011 - 13:41 | 1654645 uno
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beautiful night in athens for a riot and or looting or 2, maybe flash mobbing.  Women, please refrain from wearing high heels as they can stick when looting and running

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 20:36 | 1655418 tom a taxpayer
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At 8:27 PM EST on PREZA TV web cam (above), as the announcer was talking, a dog barked twice. An omen.

I did not understand the Greek the announcer was speaking, but I did understand the dog barking twice. Ominous.


Sun, 09/11/2011 - 10:09 | 1655990 Bam_Man
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Not ominous. That was just "riot dog" announcing his presence. He goes to all the Greek riots.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 13:42 | 1654646 mrkolice
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dance baby :)

Rage Against The Machine - Renegades of Funk

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 13:43 | 1654652 GFKjunior
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What will the US riots look like?

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 13:56 | 1654672 Ahmeexnal
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Ask Rodney King.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:08 | 1654707 A Nanny Moose
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Can't we all just get along?

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:11 | 1654713 Hulk
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Obviously not...

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:27 | 1654754 tmosley
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We could if one class of people (police) weren't held above the law.

"I'm going to kick your ass and get away with it" is what causes race riots.  That or a backwards, jealous population that outnumbers an advanced, wealthy minority (Like in Greenwood:,_Tulsa,_Oklahoma)

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:56 | 1654824 DoChenRollingBearing
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Nice link.  Learned something today!  Thanks.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:17 | 1654863 LeBalance
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Analogously, civil war of the total kind is precipitated by "I am going to steal your life and the food from your plate and eat steak tartare and live in the Hamptons, and there is nothing you can do about it.  Furthermore I hope you like glowing in the dark because "my" neighborhood is "not" where that stuff is going to be dumped."

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:56 | 1654825 Rodent Freikorps
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No one seems to remember the race riots of the 60s, anymore.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 00:21 | 1655696 James
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I do Rodent.

I delivered newspapers

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 00:32 | 1655711 Yen Cross
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Me too . And I loved it . Cleveland 77-79  in my neighborhood! For my buddy Chip! We played stick ball together!

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 09:46 | 1655973 Coldfire
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When I lived in Little Italy in Cleveland, my landlady who lived through the 60's riots pointed out the machine gun turrets on the neighborhood buildings. Even in the 90's, on welfare check days you could hear the gunshots from East Cleveland. There is a lot of ruin in these rust-belt cities. They're gonna burn.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 03:25 | 1655798 AnAnonymous
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Can't we all just get along?

In the US world order? Certainly not. US citizenism has made a rule of monetizing any kind of conflict possible. Now that it is in the economy, forgetting conflicts would remove jobs.

Just look at a TV show; hosts jobs is only to foster conflicts between their guests, to pit one propagandist against another.

In this US driven world, the question is: what new conflict can I seed and monetize?

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:16 | 1654971 Thomas
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Check out a Best Buy when they open for Black Friday X-Mass sales.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:05 | 1654698 toady
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When I watch these Euro riots I'm always wondering where the piles of bodies are... Then I remember none of these folks have weapons.

I'm expecting a BIG body count if stuff like that happens in the US.

I suppose Europeans piled enough bodies in WW I & II to last for a while...

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:29 | 1654761 Fish Gone Bad
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I'm expecting a BIG body count if stuff like that happens in the US.

I honestly do not know if riots will ever happen in the US.  Look at all the fat people who just eat, and watch TV.  Rioting sounds like it might take too long, or people might have to carry heavy signs, or even have to walk some. 

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:38 | 1654784 toady
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Fair enough. It really does need to get pretty bad before Americans will get off the couch.

The one thing I think will do it is hunger, and most fat fucks get hungry every 30 minutes.

And you don't need to be in shape to pull a trigger!

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:45 | 1654802 CrashisOptimistic
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When the grocery shelves at Walmart stop getting refilled by trucks that stop rolling, and when the great unwashed awaiting government to fix the problem are told to gather in some location for arrival of military trucks with food . . . . and when they do so, numbering 85,000 and see 3 medium sized trucks roll up . . . that's when the shooting starts.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:21 | 1654868 Ahmeexnal
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When Taggart bridge collapses it'll be time to run for your life.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 16:48 | 1657208 prains
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Don't police shoot you on bridges?

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 17:45 | 1655109 Jendrzejczyk
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Sorry Fishy,

your green has been locked out. I tried.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:45 | 1654801 chet
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That's why it doesn't happen here.  And probably won't.  Our great land of the free has a militarized police force which doesn't let people physically organize.  We can organize in a virtual space (for now), but not physically. 

In my city, police attacked the early protests against the Iraq war.  Beat the crap out of people.  The protesters where boisterous, but weren't threatening the police, but they just waded in and beat the crap out of men and women alike.  An inquiry afterwards called it a "police riot".  No police were seriously sanctioned for their behavior.

If there are serious riots in the US, the police and national guard will attack with live ammo.  And since we all know that no one in America is accountable for anything anymore, why wouldn't they?

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:16 | 1654967 Moe Howard
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The protests in my city about Iraq had a half dozen unwashed students, about 4 or 5 old hippies/commies, also unwashed, and a few old women. Nobody, least of all the police, did anything, except PBS/ NPR, which televised it like the second coming of 1968.

Of course, in 2009 when the thousands assembled for the tea party anti-tax rallies, again, police did nothing, change, PBS/ NPR didn't care. The tea party people were ordinary workers, so they don't count.

I think around here you would have to break windows, burn cars or start beating on people to get the police to do something. In fact, at the last tax rally I went to, there were 20 or 30 open carry milita types with M4s and some AKs, this was downtown, a city of  750K. The cops drove by, but I think it was because they have a station down the street. No action, no SWAT.

I lived in Chicago during the riots in the 1960's, black and hippie. I got escorted to work down Ashland Ave by two NG jeeps with .50 cals mounted after the King riots. The west side was burning baby. Those buildings still had not been replaced over 20 years later when I left. The west side had a lot of empty lots. Those were real riots.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 18:36 | 1655184 Hamsterfist
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Police didn't do anything to the Tea Party rallies, because those are sanctioned by the oligarchy.  Tea Party is used to make morons blame the wrong people for the ills that affect us.  Deflect and hope no one notices the rich men in the corner.  But whatever floats your boat.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:58 | 1655043 TBT or not TBT
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That was a simple case of hippies vs civilisation. Hippies get their asses kicked, and we call that entertainment 'round here.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 03:28 | 1655799 AnAnonymous
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That's why it doesn't happen here.


Nah. It does not happen in the US because the US sits at the top of the extorters pyramid. The US is squeezing the rest of the world to extract as much as possible, and bribing the US population appeased.

Extorters seldom riot when they are successful.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 13:43 | 1654655 rocker
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I heard that this past Friday, (yesterday), was the last day for the bond holders of Greece to be made whole or it was considered a default.

I got this off of CNBC's trading currency bullshit show.  But Nobody has said before that Friday was the last day.

So, does anybody know where we actually stand with this.  Obviously, the Media will be morning 9-11 victims.

This is understandable. But, as we see Greece rioting. Just as many are suffering from the misdeeds of the Banksters and Bondholders.

What is the end game now. Currency Swap Lines provided by the FED.  I hear so much why the US must bail everybody out.

Everybody except Americans who they seem hell bent on destroying.


Sat, 09/10/2011 - 17:02 | 1655049 TBT or not TBT
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Banksters my ass. This is what happens when the untenable promises of socialism can't be met, as they never can be. Greece is a particularly ripe case of this, given the deathbed demographics of the place. There aren't enough young new rubes to soak to keep the ponzi going.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 13:44 | 1654658 props2009
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G7 statement. Is the euro now done?

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:57 | 1655041 HoofHearted
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And what happens to the PMs tomorrow at 6pm???

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 13:55 | 1654670 Royal Fleming
Royal Fleming's picture   civil unrest in USA is already being planned ready..I'd say first thing is get the hell out of the cities, while you still can..

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 17:03 | 1655054 TBT or not TBT
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Not expecting a zombie apocalypse here. That's more like Europe.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:04 | 1654674 CrashisOptimistic
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FYI sports fans, Thessaloniki is Greece's only oil import port for all 400K bpd of their consumption.  The refineries are in the north near there, too.  

Gasoline, not oil, is shipped south.  And btw at $114 Brent, they send $16.7 billion this year to the oil exporters.  That's 5% of GDP.

They produce no oil inside Greece.  They did 26K bpd in 1980 and they are past Peak to oblivion now at 2K bpd.

Want to see where the real problem is?  Look at oil.  Always look at oil for everything.  It's 5% of their GDP that flows out of the country.  Their GDP growth is -6% from 2010 Q2.  What a coincidence, eh?

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:05 | 1654694 tmosley
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Right, because economies can never be mismanaged.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:08 | 1654706 CrashisOptimistic
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Manage perfectly.

If you have no oil, you die.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:33 | 1654771 tmosley
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You keep saying that yet people somehow survived for millions of years without oil.  Built up quite a civilization without it as well.

Nevermind that oil can be PRODUCED when needed, given another power source.

I love how you blame the "lack" of oil when the policies of that country were so excessive, and in the face of a history that gives a .9999 correlation between government waste and economic recession/depression/collapse.

But you keep looking "only at oil".  I'm sure you won't be fooled again like in 2008, when looking only at oil seemed to suggest that it would keep rising forever.

Nevermind that oil priced in silver is near record lows, and oil priced in gold is around average.  Yes, let's not think about how governments interfeing in the market place can cause problems.  Let's just blame everything on the oil, and hold those governments blameless, and allow them to continue destroying the world until there is nothing left.  Then we can all just shrug our shoulders and say "it was inevitable" and then eat a bullet.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:58 | 1654818 Incubus
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Oil is a nice little thing that largely eliminates the need for actual slavery/serfdom.

If the oil becomes a major issue, we go on the auction block.   How do you feel about picking potatoes for someone else?

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:02 | 1654837 tmosley
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Oil out of the ground is like having more or less free marginal costs.  Should those marginal costs become something other than free (ie negative EROEI), then the economy (in a free market) automatically realigns itself by investing more energy in capital, specifically energy producing and energy saving capital.  It could be as simple as putting soaker hoses on the roof to cut A/C usage, or as complex as R&D into advanced materials science.

To say that the world will die without oil is like saying that industrialism would die with the end of charcoal (previously used to make steel).  Of course, when the charcoal was spent, new steel production processes were developed, more efficient ones that polluted less.  Now charcoal is used for grilling steaks and by artists.  No-one died as a result of peak charcoal.  At most, there was a recession during the transition.  Same thing will happen here.  Same thing happened hundreds of times in the past.

And FYI, slavery was abolished long, LONG before oil came into major use.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:06 | 1654842 CrashisOptimistic
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Potato picking is only about 2 weeks of labor.  No one will want to feed you for the other 50 weeks just for those 2.

Never forget that oil is everything.  The Great Depression was all about oil.  Oil took over farming and the world of Non Farm Payroll was invented because the farming jobs were suddenly gone.  Then oil ended the Great Depression as Roosevelt embargoed US oil export to Japan and they had to bomb Pearl Harbor to have unfettered access to Indonesia's oil.  War is a great stimulus in one context, and in another context all those guys rushing to join up were looking for a paycheck to send home and meals to be reliable at bootcamp.  That war was oil driven.

If Germany's senior military had been thinking oil thoughts (rather than tactical thoughts because their experience base did not include oil), they would have cut England off from their Iraq supply with a totality of resource focus on tanker interdiction in 1938.  The RAF could not have been owed so much by so many because they would have been on the ground.

But you're right.  The 7 billion eat because of oil and as it diminishes, so will the 7B, slave volunteers or not.




Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:15 | 1654970 Mariposa de Oro
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It seems there's plenty of oil AND slavery and serfdom. granted with a modern twist, still slavery and serfdom nontheless.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 18:41 | 1655194 Hamsterfist
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'Working' is just paid slavery. Plus, your slave owners don't have to pay for your care anymore.  Picking potatoes for someone else?  Unless you own your own business, you are picking potatoes for someone else.  Congrats on being a modern day slave.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:56 | 1654827 CrashisOptimistic
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Item 1) People haven't been around millions of years.

Item 2) People haven't been around numbering 7 billion for even 1s of years.

Item 3) Governments aren't very important as oil depletes.  We've had what, 5 party changes in US governments since the US oil max at 9 mbpd?  Didn't matter.  Geology doesn't care who is in power.

Item 4) It is inevitable and you can't eat bullets.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:06 | 1654841 tmosley
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Yes, hominids have been around for millions of years.

So what if there are a lot of people?  There were a lot of people dependant on charcoal to hold off old man winter, but its depletion didn't kill off civilization.

We have had ZERO changes in governments since US oil peaked.  ZERO.  Both parties are the same.  You would realize this if you paid attention to something other than oil.

Nothing is inevitable, and I would invite you to try since you are so scared of the future.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:12 | 1654856 CrashisOptimistic
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There is no future and thus nothing to fear.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:18 | 1654865 Rodent Freikorps
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I bet you are the life of the party.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:24 | 1654873 tmosley
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Ok, end it early, because none of us are interested in joining your cult of death worship.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:24 | 1654993 Mariposa de Oro
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And people say I'm a wet blanket! ;o)

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:53 | 1654928 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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The change in governmental policy that you are forgetting is that the US went off of the international gold standard.  The world has been getting it's oil for free since, since the dollar has no intrinsic value.  Once oil trades for gold in real terms, there will be a change in government, unless Americans want to give up their 14k tonnes of gold for oil.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:19 | 1654979 Moe Howard
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tmosley - thanks for the dose of sanity. I have lived without oil, the Amish near me do for the most part. It will be a major change but not the end of life.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:24 | 1654991 CrashisOptimistic
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It will not be the end of life.

For about 1 Billion.

The Amish won't be among them.  They are too visible and well known.  The Philly and Harrisburg mobs will come take their food.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:48 | 1655028 AuShoot
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Their food, and more.  Easy targets.  Hope I'm wrong.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 17:06 | 1655060 TBT or not TBT
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Europe is 100% easy targets, by the same measure. Only the government has guns there.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 04:31 | 1655823 bid the soldier...
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No, it will not be the end of life.

But for the billion or so still alive it will be like living in post 21st century reigns of King Canute or Charlemagne.

Aka Big Brother. There will be a nobility of the wealthy called the Inner Party.

In the blistering heat of the Saudi desert, chain gangs of slaves will delve into the no longer producing oil well and will spatula the few drops of oil off each rock down there into specially designed canteens. Overseers with taser whips will tolerate no small talk or slacker spatula work.

It will be a miserable existence for 99.9% of the survivors. I won't mind going when the U S dollar does.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 18:46 | 1655206 Hamsterfist
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One person does not make a planetary system of providing food for the BILLIONS of people.  What a nice anecdote that you will survive, but what does that have shit to do with anything?  I hope when the hordes of cannibals come, they eat you first.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 03:34 | 1655802 AnAnonymous
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tmosley - thanks for the dose of sanity. I have lived without oil, the Amish near me do for the most part. It will be a major change but not the end of life.


Made me laugh. Where have you lived without oil?

Mades me think of all those US citizens who require people to move out of the US to state facts about the US world order.

That is where you live, a country that is based on oil. You using not oil does not matter. The Amish do not matter.

Living at present times without oil would mean declining anything that oil involved in it. Good luck with that.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 04:02 | 1655811 bid the soldier...
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Eventually, not right away.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:07 | 1656265 MS7
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Well, if you have oil the Americans will bring you "democracy" at gunpoint. They'll be all over your country, unless you are have super smart leaders as in communist countries in Latin America. They must believe there is oil in the waters around Greece, as they are planning some oil exploration. I believe that is why Hillary recently went there.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:42 | 1654791 toady
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Sports fans are watching college football today, not reading ZH!

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:22 | 1654871 Long-John-Silver
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It's not peak oil, it's peak global environmentalism that has effectively eliminated oil development in their country. 

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:24 | 1654995 CrashisOptimistic
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Or maybe there's no more there.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:52 | 1655032 Long-John-Silver
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How do you know when the environmentalists ban exploration? They have guaranteed none will be found.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 18:53 | 1655219 Hamsterfist
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Those pesky environmentalists, that really don't accomplish anything.  They really seem to be winning in the face of corporations.  I mean they have managed to save the 1-2% of old growth forest left in the world.  They have managed to save about no remaining life in the oceans.  At least the only allow 200 species of wildlife to go extinct per day.  Yep, those damn environmentalists surely are winning...  Fucking get a clue.  (I didn't even mention global warming, cause I am sure you don't believe in it.  I mean an elementary school science experiment proves that co2 and methane are greenhouse gases.  But I am sure in your cozy little world, such things are nonsense.)

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 03:41 | 1655803 AnAnonymous
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Made me laugh. But somehow, as US citizens are expansionists, their logics make sense in a twisted way.

Yep, in a way, the blame is on the environmentalists. US citizens are like an incontinent, they cant help themselves. Dont expect them to self control, they cant. And who is in charge of limiting them in terms of environment? Environmentalists.

Environmentalists happened to be too weak to limit US citizens. So they are to blame.

This is the logics in this US driven world, it is all the fault of the weak if the weak does not manage to limit the strong. Twisted logics.

This is how US citizens permanently come to blame the weak for their US citizens' failures. Environmentalists lost their match against US citizens therefore they are to be blamed.

US citizens have to be protected from their own errings.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 04:24 | 1655821 JB
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have you BEEN in a greenhouse? do you know why people build greenhouses?

junked for your sheer stupidity.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 13:59 | 1654679 Little John
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Does anyone know where Death, War, Famine and Pestilence are right now.  I can't seem to find them and I think someone must have let them out.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:27 | 1656351 Incubus
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they're coming, but they're walkin'.  Had to sell their horses for glue--tough times n'all. 


Have you ever tried pestilence glue?  Me neither, but it makes you wonder.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:00 | 1654680 WmMcK
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Greek cut and paste test (looks OK in preview, but not when posted)

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:03 | 1654688 Negro Primero
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@MatinaStevis: First break for ovation for Papandreou at "Yes, we can make it" line.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:03 | 1654689 --Freedom--
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Wow. A Backstreet Boys reference. It's the little things that makes this site art.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:05 | 1654692 Sudden Debt
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Some people go clubbing and others go clubing.


Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:58 | 1654737 DoChenRollingBearing
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Ha ha, SD!  Green for you!

One of my other readers asked me about Europe, and I told her that your continent could be a canary in the coal mine re rioting (etc.) here in the USA.

Stay with us buddy!  I always like your comments from the ground in Europe.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:38 | 1654892 The Shootist
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Best ZH comment today.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 00:35 | 1655714 Yen Cross
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Was Squinting Clint /or the Duke the Best?  Great movie!

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:13 | 1654714 Negro Primero
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@MatinaStevis: "After tourism bit, Papandreou turns to agriculture..."


Papandreou: "tomorrow we start distribution of land to young people who want to go into agriculture, but not only...says Greece to look for natural gas AND oil in Ionian and Crete"

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:14 | 1654722 Sequitur
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Greek politicians disgust me. Jesus, just default already and tell the banks to go F themselves. Then, rebuild without the millstone of unpayable debt choking your people, it is the only way. The United States will soon learn this lesson.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:32 | 1654766 Pool Shark
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ALL politicians disgust me...

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:15 | 1654725 markar
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They produce no oil inside Greece.

Not true. Lot's of olive oil. Can't they rig their cars to run on it?

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:17 | 1654732 CrashisOptimistic
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In a word, no.

Oil is 5.6 million BTUs/barrel.  Olive oil is not.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:29 | 1654876 Long-John-Silver
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and all other "alternatives" including wind and solar are a fraction of Olive oil. That's the reason Spain is bankrupt due to their successful Green and Alternative Energy efforts. Oh! If you think diesel fuel in expensive go price Olive oil by the litre.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 17:56 | 1655117 spdrdr
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Transport gas, processed and natural, is the way of the future:

LPG  (Liquid Petroleumm Gas)

CNG  (compressed natural gas)

LNG (liquified natural gas)

Throw in SASOL coal to oil conversion and shale oil, and there is abundant cheap transportation and farming energy for thousands of years.  Genetically modified crops can and will feed billions.

Fortunately the Malthusian communists known as the "Greens" have had their destructive day in the sun, and their political interference ends when they get  swept  out of office world-wide with the coming wipe-out of socialist governments everywhere. The Peak Oilers are as crazy as the Global Warmers, and maybe there is a convergence there.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 18:16 | 1655153 richard in norway
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not enough BTUs to replace oil for more than 5 years

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:43 | 1654907 tmosley
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Right, it's more, because it is pure non saturated hydrocarbon that requires no refining.

The REAL problem is that you can't make nearly enough to run much of anything, because plants suck at producing liquid fuel.

If you are going to look to plant based solutions for renewable energy, you need to find something that is a lot more efficient, and easier to extract.  As I recall, there is a plant that produces oil that is suitable for use in a deisel engine with no refinment or pressing required somewhere in the South Pacific.  The islanders use them for free fuel.  Of course, such a plant likely wouldn't grow anywhere else, though one might be able to extract the gene and insert it into something else.

More likely is the use of genetically engineered microbes to take in CO2 and sunlight and excrete pre-refined fuel.  This already exists.  It just needs to be scaled up.

And contraty to the lies of the death worshippers, new extraction technology will give us 50 years at a minimum to get it right, as ionic liquids can be used to wash bitumen from tar sands with very little energy input.  It makes it about as efficient as mining coal.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 21:40 | 1655509 EscapeKey
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Are you claiming research papers as proven, and deployed technology again?

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 00:49 | 1655731 Yen Cross
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Over Thinking? like your posts....

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:46 | 1654910 Big Corked Boots
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- nevermind - 

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 03:58 | 1655810 bid the soldier...
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You can't run internal combustion on olive oil. You can't put Saudi lite sweet on Chinese Chicken Salad. It's as simple as that.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:25 | 1654752 Negro Primero
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...after all maybe there's no need for oil anymore.

Papandreou: "we hope that those who have made money here will participate in our efforts, like rich ppl abroad asking to be taxed more"

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:26 | 1654753 GeneMarchbanks
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_________ Riot Web Cam. Get used to this ZH headline. It says "STOP CARTEL TV" damn straight.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:55 | 1654823 buzzsaw99
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none of the people receiving beatings appear to be foreign bankers. pity that.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:03 | 1654835 ThirdCoastSurfer
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Scorpions sing "Holiday" live in Athens in 2005. Sadly ironic as a bunch of Germans sing to the Greeks in English about exchanging troubles for some luck. The luck has run out, it's down to sending a mountain of cash by tomorrow or it's over.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:04 | 1654949 Hephasteus
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None of that's important. What's important is France beat the snot out of Libya. Failed to get their gold and are now fucked because all they have are worthless IOU's from greece.

If they did get the gold. Gold should plummet in terms of euro's next week. Like 80 100 euros in price. IF they didn't then it should climb several hundred euros. If they didn't that means more war in africa and I'm sure all the african nations are sitting around in a bubble of trust and love and support and totally not making all kinds of war preparations.

If you didn't participate in the french bank run last december. Well you're fucked. Sorry.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 17:02 | 1655050 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Sat, 09/10/2011 - 17:52 | 1655105 Threeggg
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News Flash for you ! The rebel controlled central bank sold 29 tonnes of Gold 2 days ago and they say they have all of it ?

It's not like they could have gotten a loan on future oil production or something..........right ? Had to sell some Gold !

 Libya's central bank, under control of the country's new leaders, said on Thursday none of its assets had been stolen and that it had sold 29 tonnes of gold to help pay salaries.

"No assets of the Libyan Central Bank have been stolen, gold or otherwise," the bank's new governor Gassem Azzoz told reporters in Tripoli, adding that if fallen leader Muammar Gaddafi had taken gold, it was not from central bank coffers



Sat, 09/10/2011 - 19:26 | 1655293 Hephasteus
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Sure thing there gullible. Show me a market that responded to 30 tons of gold being sold in it. Show me one that even flinched. 30 tons of gold should have droven some currency completely fucking apeshit nuts. If it was divided amongst the thieves maybe not so much. Probably what happened.

My guess is you don't say fuck you to the rothchilds as long gadafi did without finding ways to keep you property out of their grubby little hands.

"adding that if fallen leader Muammar Gaddafi had taken gold, it was not from central bank coffers"

This is not a statement. It's an attempt to tea bag your ears.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 22:07 | 1655527 nmewn
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"It's an attempt to tea bag your ears."...LOL!!!

Well, for all the things Quackdaffy was and wasn' thing I'll give him, is his consistency in sticking his finger in the cartels eyeball.

We need more independent nations not less ;-)

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 00:53 | 1655736 Yen Cross
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So Syeudenistic...  Who upset you this week? You are way too smart!

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 12:11 | 1656279 Hephasteus
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It's not smarts at all. It's sensitivity. You don't have to think it out they just allow you sensorily process it.

Send me a dream bitches. I'll poke open the shutters.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:14 | 1654859 vast-dom
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A Prelude to an entire nation devolving into a mosh pit! 


Can you do the Homo Sap? Slop slop slothrop glup glop.........

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:16 | 1654861 ATG
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Greek to me

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:29 | 1654879 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Someone is fire bombing cars.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:32 | 1654884 carbonmutant
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Freedom isn't free...

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:38 | 1654890 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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It costs a buck o' five, plus tax.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:51 | 1654925 WmMcK
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$5 to dig it out of the ground -- oops wrong topic.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:23 | 1654990 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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The rising price of oil will increase the cost of mining silver.  Supply for silver is platueing and once supply begins to decrease then price will increase.  Demand is also increasing.

And by the way, your strawman arguement is flat out idiotic.  All goods sell a a higher price than they are aquired for.  How much does it cost to make a pair of Nikes?  $5.  How much do they sell for?  $150.

So until silver is as much as a pair of Nikes, you don't have an arguement.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:37 | 1654889 thunderbird
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I don't know why they just don't get some windex

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:42 | 1654905 The Shootist
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Nice avatar, (its a bag, right?)

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:03 | 1654948 IQ 101
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Another anemic Greek riot. a Greek riot looks like a night out with the lads in Glasgow or Cardiff.

The recent unauthorized shopping and bonfire expeditions in London and a few other UK cities had more passion from 12 year old girls desiring to loot some tennis shoes, an i-pod and some x-box games..

It is just another bout of hot socialist on socialist action.

much like the gimmie gimmie student and state worker protests gaining fashion all over Europe this summer.

Just more theater really,

someone needs to back up the Ouzo truck so the Govtards can get proper jiggy.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:07 | 1654956 What_Me_Worry
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How do these people have so much time for rioting, don't they have jobs to go to?  Oh right...

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:19 | 1654982 Die Weiße Rose
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London was better...


Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:23 | 1654989 Boscovius
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I don't see no stinkin' riot.


Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:36 | 1655012 Herman Strandsc...
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They ran out of gas

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:40 | 1655017 Kuri
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Ready ? 1, 2, 3. Repeat after me : "Greece will be saved. Greece won't default." Don't think. Just repeat.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 17:03 | 1655055 nah
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Sat, 09/10/2011 - 17:09 | 1655063 LookingWithAmazement
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Jim Rogers: Buy All The Euros You Can If Greece Defaults

Bye bye, doomprophets. Merry Christmas. Boring world we live in.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 17:23 | 1655077 tmosley
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You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means.

Also, he is saying to buy it after it collapses, not that it was going to go up on a Greek default.  If you own them now, you are going to get your ass handed to you on a Greek default.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 17:24 | 1655094 LookingWithAmazement
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Boring = no Armageddon, no collapse, no new monetary system. Even Jim Rogers, who buys dollars too, does not see collapse.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 17:27 | 1655095 tmosley
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You should probably learn how to read.  He has explicitly said that there would be a collapse, and a buying opportunity AFTER the collapse.

You are incompetent, and unfit to give any form of economic advice or even a BOOK REPORT.  

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 18:39 | 1655190 LookingWithAmazement
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So that collapse is not Armageddon. On the contrary.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 17:19 | 1655080 The Heart
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Ten years after...have we learned anything?

Here is an excellent video by AE for 9/11 truth:

Pass this around folks and especially send it to those who still think some clown in a cave and 19 guys with box cutters outsmarted our 400 billion dollar NORAD defense system.

Also, a big question to ask them is, if fires bring down buildings at the speed of gravity, why doesn't my BBQ or fireplace grill come crashing down at the speed of gravity when lit and on fire for hours and hours?

Who was responsible for 9/11?

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 17:44 | 1655107 IQ 101
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You are probably not putting enough Thermite on your ribs when you are barbaqueing.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 18:21 | 1655164 spdrdr
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What a fucking tool.

There is no "speed of gravity".

Go back to your parochial junior school, and learn something, you dumb arse.


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