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They Can't Even Coordinate Press Conferences

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In typical European leadership fashion, the need to speak useless words to an audience waiting for some sense of real actionable solution outweighs any actual ability to add value or say something new. What is even more incredible is that we expect the 17 (or 27) nations to agree on anything when they can't even communicate effectively internally as we see the Sarkozy/Merkel press conference perfectly overlap with the Barroso/Van-Rompuy conference. Bloomberg is reporting the headlines - which are the same old same old - and awe-inspiring in their lack of specificity and potential for total opposition in view. Grant Williams (of Things That Make You Go Hmmm fame) perhaps sums it up best:

Europe is broken and the people charged with trying to fix it are clearly not up to the job. There are way too many vested interests, too many national peccadillos and way too many good, old-fashioned egos in play for it to come down to anything but a last-ditch solution when they are forced into it - and that solution WILL be the printing of money in some shape or form which will help to magically inflate the debt away. The other alternatives are either just too painful (default/ forgiveness) or plain unworkable (growth).

 

A look at a selection of newsflashes that hit screens this week shows just how ridiculous things have become as everybody involved in trying to sort out the mess that is Europe attempts to get themselves in front of a microphone in order to let the world know just how important they are. Some of these appearances, it would seem, are stage-managed for maximum effect on markets - others are simply self-important politicians who just can’t bring themselves to utter the words “no comment”:

 

*GERMAN COALITION SOURCES: MERKEL SAYS LEVERAGING EFSF VIA ECB IS RULED OUT

*MERKEL TOLD LAWMAKERS MOVING FORWARD MILLIMETER BY MILLIMETER

*ECB TRICHET: CAN’T USE MONPOL TO CORRECT FAILURES OF GOVERNMENTS

*ECB NEVER ACTS AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR GOVERNMENTS: NEWSPAPER INTERVIEW

*FINANCIAL STABILITY IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF GOVERNMENTS

*EMU HAS PRICE STABILITY TODAY; INFLATION EXPECTATIONS FIRMLY ANCHORED

*TRICHET REJECTS ASSERTION THAT ECB HAS OVERSTEPPED ITS LIMITS

*TRICHET: EURO WILL EXIST IN 10 YEARS

*SEIBERT SAYS `DREAMS’ OF SWIFT EURO SOLUTION WON’T MATERIALIZE

*GERMAN COALITION SOURCES: MERKEL SAYS LEVERAGING EFSF VIA ECB IS RULED OUT

*DJN-DJ REPORT EFSF FIREPOWER TO REACH EUR2T ‘TOTALLY WRONG’-SOURCE

*MERKEL SAYS NEXT EU SUMMIT IS `NOT THE END POINT’ FOR CRISIS

*DJ GERMAN GOVERNMENT DOESN’T EXCLUDE DELAYING OCT. 23 SUMMIT

*MERKEL CANCELS FRIDAY SUMMIT ON LACK OF EFSF DETAILS

*MERKEL CANCELS EFSF SPEECH ON DEADLOCK ON LEVERAGING: LAWMAKERS

*FRANCE, GERMANY SEE NEED FOR GLOBAL, AMBITIOUS CRISIS RESPONSE

 

And the piece de resistance:

 

*MERKEL SAYS EUROZONE TALKS STUCK. FLIES TO FRANCE: REUTERS

*SARKOZY SAYS EUROZONE TALKS STUCK, FLIES TO GERMANY: REUTERS

 

Amidst this barrage of headlines, Nicolas Sarkozy was quoted in two articles which outlined his own fears for Europe:

 

“Allowing the destruction of the euro is to take the risk of the destruction of Europe. Those who destroy Europe and the euro will bear responsibility for resurgence of conflict and division on our continent.”

 

And...

 

“If there isn’t a solution by Sunday, everything is going to collapse”

 

There’s something eerily familiar about that last sentence. Let’s see what Google Translate makes of the original French version, shall we?:

 

“If money isn’t loosened up, this sucker could go down”

 

Those words were uttered by another President on September 26, 2008 - a few days before TARP was passed into law.

Today's wondrous (in lack of anything new) insights from Merkel/Sarkozy (via Bloomberg):

*MERKEL SAYS NO FORMAL EU DECISIONS EXPECTED TODAY

*MERKEL SAYS EU FINANCE MINISTERS LARGELY AGREED ON BANK RECAP

*MERKEL SAYS BANK RECAPITALIZATION CONCERNS ALL 27 EU MEMBERS

*MERKEL SAYS BANK RECAPITALIZATION ALONE WON'T SOLVE CRISIS

*MERKEL SAYS FURTHER EU TALK NEED ATTENTION TO DETAIL

*MERKEL SAYS BUDGET DISCIPLINE NEEDED TO STEM CRISIS

*SARKOZY SAYS IT'S VITAL THAT GERMANY, FRANCE SPEAK OF ONE VOICE

*SARKOZY SAYS GREEK BONDHOLDER AGREEMENT MUST BE VOLUNTARY

*SARKOZY SAYS HE HAS CONFIDENCE IN ITALIAN AUTHORITIES `OVERALL'

*SARKOZY SAYS ANY SOLUTION NEEDS SUPPORT OF ALL EU INSTITUTIONS

FRANCE'S SARKOZY SAYS OF PRIVATE SECTOR CONTRIBUTION TO GREEK
BAILOUT, "EVERYONE MUST TAKE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO AVOID A DISASTER"

And from Barroso/Van-Rompuy:

*BARROSO SAYS EU IN GOOD POSITION TO MAKE PROGRESS

*VAN ROMPUY SAYS ECONOMIC CHALLENGES ARE SERIOUS

*VAN ROMPUY SAYS BANK SITUATION IS URGENT

*VAN ROMPUY ASKED BERLUSCONI FOR REASSURANCES ON ITALY MEASURES

Nothing at all new...perhaps the best we can draw from this is the fact that they admit they are looking at 'details'

 

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Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:11 | 1801765 Mongo
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Blind leading the blind

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:14 | 1801769 Long-John-Silver
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More like criminals leading criminals.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:46 | 1801802 Pinto Currency
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The Eurozone problems that exist arise from the fact that they do not have not enough cetralization of power.  This leads to imperfect results.

 

For perfect results we need worldwide central government.

 

Sincerely,

David Rockefeller

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:47 | 1801863 Ima anal sphincter
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Did we forget the <sarc>?

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:08 | 1801935 Pinto Currency
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<sarc> ??  Do you doubt that central government leads to perfection?

Please provide your name, address, and telephone number.

Sincereley,

David Rockefeller

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:14 | 1801947 Ahmeexnal
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Meanwhile, the eurosheeple party like it's 1999:

http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/index.html

 

Eurosheeple will never stand up.   History has many examples of eurosheeple being fleeced by their royal elite.

When TSHTF the euroroyal elite (and a willing eurosheeple) always blame someone else for their mistakes.

They will do it again this time.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:51 | 1801997 Pinto Currency
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This whole game is going to end very, very, very badly for the central planners.  These games of subjugation in a time of internet communication lead to extinction for the elite and chaos for the rest of us.

 

The only explanation that I can think of is that being in the company of a group that is drunk on power leads to some bad ideas.  Some of the elite are realizing it and can be seen scrambling to get back across the Rubicon.

 

An interesting website: http://andrewgavinmarshall.com/author/andrewgavinmarshall/

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 17:23 | 1802662 WonderDawg
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Expect that when the SHTF, your internet access will be acutely restricted, if not eliminated entirely.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 17:27 | 1802676 knukles
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Aye, back to the good olde days of swradio.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:50 | 1801874 i-dog
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They're working towards it:

1 country is insolvent (well...one that they'll admit to); so,
17 countries in the EZ have to chip in; then,
MERKEL SAYS BANK RECAPITALIZATION CONCERNS ALL 27 EU MEMBERS; then,
SARKOZY SAYS ANY SOLUTION NEEDS SUPPORT OF ALL EU INSTITUTIONS; then,
SARKOZY SAYS PRIVATE SECTOR CONTRIBUTION TO GREEK BAILOUT, "EVERYONE MUST TAKE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO AVOID A DISASTER"

Soon they'll have the whole world roped into bailing out Greece!!

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:59 | 1802245 TheFourthStooge-ing
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SARKOZY CALLS MERKEL A RETARDED TRUFFLE HOG

MERKEL, WIELDING HER FAVORITE STRAP-ON (SCHÄUBLE), BUGGERS SARKOZY IN HIS VAN RUMPY


Sun, 10/23/2011 - 14:05 | 1802259 knukles
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Retarded Truffle Hog
Priceless

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 14:43 | 1802334 Zero Govt
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A retarded truffle hog is not "priceless" but goes for about €300,000 per annum (see Marxist weasels, Barruso and Van Rumpoy annual take)

...shortly, because of their incompetence those Euros will be "Worthless"

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:55 | 1801876 Rynak
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Unfortunatelly - even if when looking at stuff in a shallow way - an "EU-nation" appears to solve everything..... it actually solves nothing about the structural problems..... it just basically turns nations into states, with the same problems as now continueing to exist (the USA partially has such a problem).

Why so?

Well, let's see again.... what was the structural problem to begin with? Well, it was that the individual country's economies function quite different - especially their trade balances and wages. As a result, you get areas that among other things offer cheap labour but low purchasing power.... and areas with expensive labour, but high purchasing power.... this allows importers and exporters, to ignore the selfsustainability of the individual areas and rip them off.

How so? Well, if i produce and sell locally, then paying the locals less than needed for them to buy my products... well, this cannot work - thus, if i rip them off overly, then i get to face the consequences.

BUT: If i produce in one area, and sell in another area.... then i can escape consequences. Same the other way around. The only problem with this is.... that both areas ultimately go broke, unless one area doesn't continiously "bailout" the other area.

For the above to matter, you don't need something like nations. This kind of stuff can happen inside a single nation, and the discrepancies obviously become bigger, the larger the nation.

Now, in the case of multiple nations trading with each other, they have multiple tools how to react to such imbalances. For example, if another nation decides to sell out its population and produces cheaper than the nation can even afford.... then the own nation can tax imports from that nation, to protect its domestic market.

In something like the EMU, such possibilities do not exist. That's the whole point of the EMU!

Now, what do you achieve, if you were to merge the individual into one supernation, with a supergov? What would change about the earlier mentioned problems? Nothing, unless that "supernation", then enacts special tax rules for the individual "states"...... uh, oh wait, what did this change at all about the problem, besides of swapping terms? See.

And why is all this so? Because it comes down to: Either a group has ways to protect itself against other groups playing reckless..... or a group does not have such means available. That is all. In the case of the EMU, the point was to specifically remove such means, to remove "barriers".... that may have made mutual relationships easier, but unfortunatelly, it also made everyone powerless against parasitary relationships. And well, see how that turned out.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:17 | 1801953 topcallingtroll
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Adam Smith addressed your issue in wealth of nations. While cooperatives to overcharge (extracting rents or rent seeking) should be monitored and discouraged by regulation,the free gift of subsidy should not be turned down.

People should at least read the ten to 15 seminal economic works.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:41 | 1801845 Lets Eat Grandma
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More like... the inmates running the asylum. And refusing to share the good drugs.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:31 | 1802159 AbelCatalyst
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“Allowing the destruction of the euro is to take the risk of the destruction of Europe."

Translation: Germany is planning to go to the Mark and it will be all their fault when the SHTF.... This was clearly a shot across the bow at the only country in a position to destroy the Euro.

This statement is the clearest evidence yet that Germany is about to take their ball and go home... Announcement next Friday after close?

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:27 | 1801809 LeonardoFibonacci
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Herman Cain can fix it with his 999 plan.  Does he prefer Popeyes or KFC?

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:39 | 1801842 oogs66
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They have spent more time organizing summit's than figuring out an actual plan

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:57 | 1801904 RiverRoad
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Yeah, but think about all that good food and swanky hotels.......

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:21 | 1801961 buzzsaw99
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every plural word need's an apostrophe. LMAO!

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:49 | 1802220 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Indeed. It's the crux of the biscuit, after all.

 

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:55 | 1801893 The Big Ching-aso
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You know this whole Euro situation could easily be resolved by just adopting the dollar as their unionized currency.     Consolidate printing presses under the Mariner Eccles auspices and just call it a day.     The conversion rate is the only sticker.   I would say 1 million Euros to the dollar would be a good start.   Now just imagine The Bernanke at the helm and you can see a little round light at the end of the tunnel.

Ben would be orgasmic at the prospects.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:12 | 1801766 Ecoman11
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Wouldn't you be confused if you had to sentence yourself to jail?

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:19 | 1801789 LetThemEatRand
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This just in:  Charles Manson and his committee of jailhouse thugs releases statement indicating a lack of consensus on how to stop more murdering by them if they are released from jail, but continuing to advocate for their release.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:15 | 1801771 Corn1945
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And printing of money isn't painful? I'm sure Germany will love that.

 

Seriously, do people get paid for these "insights"?

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:15 | 1801772 JenkinsLane
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Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:57 | 1801905 The Big Ching-aso
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It's time to send in the Krugmans.    The jokers we already have.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:34 | 1802173 davepowers
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there must be someway out of here, said the Joker to the Thief

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 17:30 | 1802686 WonderDawg
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Stuck in the middle...

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:15 | 1801773 marcusfenix
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total chaos to ensue in 5...4...3...

tomorrow should be fun...

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:19 | 1801791 X.inf.capt
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next week will be fun...

man, this going to be a bad week....

hope everyone is ready...

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 14:44 | 1802335 URZIZMINE
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When to apply the short ladder?

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:15 | 1801777 lizzy36
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Merkel: EU working on 2 plans to increase EFSF; neither involves ECB because of its treaty forbids it.

VAN ROMPUY SAYS TREATY CHANGE IS NOT `TABOO'.

The agreement to be absolute muppets is going completely according to plan.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:16 | 1801779 SilverDoctors
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This is the main difference between the US and Europe.  The US' debt and fiscal issues are much worse than Europe's...but the US has mastered effective management of communication- or MOPE as Sinclair would call it.
The Europeans have yet to effectively manage PERCEPTION- and the results are evident.
Effective communiction/ Fed speak can't solve anything, but it can hide things from the sheople longer and put off the inevitable just a little longer.

http://silverdoctors.blogspot.com/

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:14 | 1801949 Rynak
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This, and something else which i think many non-europeans do not understand: The state of laws, and safeguards is quite different to i.e. the US. In the US, most laws and political procedures, are already designed for central decisionmaking.... in europe on the other hand, the laws and political procedures are still someway designed for something like a federation of federations.... so, decentralized. It's not just that european decisionmakes fail to show "unity".... the political infrastructure and laws intentionally, are not designed for unity.

What does that mean? It means that even though we have shitty representative democracy..... the system in place actually still believes in the premises of representative democracy. The political structures in europe are not designed for quasi dictatorship.... they're designed for representative democracy.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:21 | 1801963 topcallingtroll
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This is why I love Europe and wish them the best.

If only our USA politicians could have such hard hitting interviews and free exchange of ideas. Our system discourages it.

Parliamentary democratic republics are best.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:24 | 1801972 topcallingtroll
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P.S.

It is only eurosnobs and socialists ignorant of economics that I dislike

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:16 | 1801781 williambanzai7
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THE EURO DAMNED

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:20 | 1801792 marcusfenix
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world war D

debt the black plague of the 21st century...

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:20 | 1801795 Earl of Chiswick
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the offspring of Weena and a Morlock?

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:49 | 1802222 Mayer Amshel
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put it on a tshirt and i'll buy (add it, + the other banzai7-pics, among the zh-tshirt) 

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:19 | 1801788 melanie
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Italy needs to borrow €250bn next year just to refinance its existing debts.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15420938

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:20 | 1801790 Rainman
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Those EU comments will make for good stuff in the Great Depression II historical masterpiece ( History, non-fiction, available in 2030 from AmazonGoogle )

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:20 | 1801794 Pretorian
Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:22 | 1801799 Bansters-in-my-...
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Lucky they employ the "best of the best" or they would be in reaally big trouble.

Delusional fucking Banksters and thier buddies.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:26 | 1801804 BandGap
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They need to set this to music. How many ways can you say the same thing......it drones on and on and on.....

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:28 | 1801813 lolmao500
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“If there isn’t a solution by Sunday, everything is going to collapse”. 

 

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:55 | 1801897 sabra1
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which sunday?

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:31 | 1801816 dereksatkinson
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Looks like they are pushing for treaty change. 

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:31 | 1801817 Segestan
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EU is like going to the market, everyone comes because the market has the goods. Well the Market has ran out of goodies.... the crowd now only wants to go home. What can they do ? Rob the guy in the other car?

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:31 | 1801818 oogs66
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They really need to step back, and figure out plans that will actually work.  They need to get some advisors that understand credit, and distressed debt, and CDS.  Screw all their bund and fx and 60 year old EM advisors.  they don't get it and aren't helping, only making it worse

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:09 | 1801900 i-dog
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They need to shut down Brussels and go back to their jobs as village lawyers and accountants. None of them could even teach arithmetic in a village school.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:32 | 1801821 spanish inquisition
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Here is the quote - FRANCE, GERMANY SEE NEED FOR GLOBAL, AMBITIOUS CRISIS RESPONSE

Dear FED, We cannot agree, please send money!

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:38 | 1801840 lolmao500
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Why the hell it's only France and Germany talking? France and Germany ain't Europe.

What I would like to see :

France and Germany see need for global ambitious crisis response, rest of EU trying to pass bills to get out of EU as soon as possible.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:33 | 1801823 GeneMarchbanks
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*MERKEL, SARKOZY, BARROSO, VAN ROMPUY ALL GO TO HEAVEN IN A LITTLE ROW BOAT...

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:33 | 1801825 lizzy36
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And here it is.

They want the US to fucking bail out Europe AGAIN.

Barroso: want to reinforce the IMF, help stem crisis spread.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:45 | 1801856 GeneMarchbanks
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Nope. However, it is still sad. Sad because I'm not sure the average USof A citizen has any clue they are on the hook...

IMFederal Reserve to the rescue!

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 16:27 | 1802537 Hephasteus
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Just don't ask timmy to pay federal taxes on IMF helicopters and limo's and drugs for the little tweeker.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:32 | 1801994 Alex Kintner
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"Yeah, give it to Mikey, he'll eat anything."  Mikey is the US Taxpayer in this case who is only in debt of $14+Trillion. Hell, throw the debt on Mikey's pile. Consolidate all debt on one nation -- then sell the fucker to the highest bidder.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:34 | 1801827 virgilcaine
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999 and a  sick chicken in every pot.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:36 | 1801834 bankonzhongguo
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They want this to fail. It has to fail.

From the "ashes" a centralized European taxing authority will emerge based in Berlin.

Welthauptstadt Germania.  Maybe Hitler did win the war.

A priori, the sensible thing to do would be to cancel sovereign debt between countries to get the notional values down to human scales, cancel all cds derivatives and charge back the setup fees to the banks themselves and then rally the IMF/ECB/FED around the debt hotspots - give those bonds a haircut and move on.

But instead the circus hides a morgue.

Funny how it becomes another Germany - France balance of power move.

 

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:39 | 1801838 chumbawamba
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Your preparations that you have been diligently undertaking over the past several years should now be basically complete and you should be ensconced within your fortress with Mr. Mossberg on one side and a bin of 00 buckshot on the other.

Good luck!

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:47 | 1801861 GeneMarchbanks
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Is this a one-time warning or are you gonna walk us through this whole process?

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 15:26 | 1802424 chumbawamba
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Sorry, only subscribers get the personal hand-holding.

-Chumblez.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:22 | 1801969 Yellowhoard
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Don't forget the combo flashlight, strobe, laser, clip on for your Mossberg. 29 bucks at Dicks Sporting.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:01 | 1801847 RiverRoad
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Are they really as stupid as they appear?  If I, or those about me, knew my comments would move markets, wouldn't I dabble just a little and short, or not, as the occasion required?  Surely those Arabs who knew 911 was coming did rather well for themselves. 

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:43 | 1801849 Sabibaby
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This is like reality tv wife swapping - Trading Spouses - only it's with European leaders. Sounds bullish.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:57 | 1801859 cowdiddly
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Freakin GIG IS UP ALREADY, I am sick of hearing it . Individually DEFAULT  and go back to using each countries own currency again.SO WE CAN GET ON WITH IT. THE WORLD WILL NOT END WITHOUT THE EURO. QUIT being so egotistical to admit it was a mistake to begin with. The european countries are not 27 states under a central FEDERAL Jurisdiction.

Do you idiots need to watch the Nigel Farge Video AGAIN? You are dragging your countrymen through misery for years all for nothing. Your banks and governments will still be insolvent just like ours. End the charade and then America can deal with its problem and we can start to rebuild this fiasco. Government funds of 1/2 the world cannot save Europe or America at this point and if it could, it would not solve the problem

"The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other peoples money?" You KNOW WHO

GET IT OVER, Quit risking WWIII. The Risk of continuing is greater that a few bank failures. CAPUT. ZIP. NADA. CAPICHE?

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:07 | 1801928 RiverRoad
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This is financial WW3.  And one of these days the "bomb" will drop and end it all.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:58 | 1801875 Atomizer
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ECB:

During our live press release today, each of our 27 EU membership countries will be spinning their plate of debt on a stick. Any membership plate that drops to the floor will absorb a 45% liability to other ailing EU countries.

 

ECB has its own version of Spin the Wheel of Debt.

 

Spin The Wheel (New Zealand)

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:51 | 1801885 ISEEIT
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Oh shush! Clearly what we have here is a failure of free markets! If you fail to agree then you must be eliminated. CDS, naked shorts, derivitives, mBS, all are private, free market wrecks!!!

You MUST TRUST GOVERNMENT!!

YOU MUST!!!

WE ARE MUCH SMARTER THAN YOU.

TRUST US, GROW US, GIVE US MORE!!

WE WILL PROMISE ANYTHING.

ANYTHING AT ALL.

PLEASE??

Fine then.

We will shoot you.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:10 | 1801941 PulauHantu29
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A strong central giovernment can be a good hting...look at China and it's progress.  Kissinger's new book about China states one reason for thier recent industrial success is the strong central government "that can get things done fast."

 

Maybe he is right. Look at Europe. The EU organization resembles my 4 year old nephew's last B'day party...total chaos food fights clowning aournd...etc.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:25 | 1801970 marcusfenix
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sure so long as you don't care about the fact that at any time, for any reason the strong central govt so desires with no regard for due process or individual rights, an execution bus can come rolling up to your front door, pull you out of your home in front of your family and pump you full of blue juice. your organs are on the way to three different continents before you even had the chance to regret your support for this strong central government.

no thanks

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:30 | 1801985 topcallingtroll
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You can have a centralized business and regulatory structure and individual liberty. Those are not exclusive.

A single unitary business regulatory structure beats the insane red tape of 15 different layers of government and bureacracy that we have in the USA.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:30 | 1802157 Central Bankster
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So let me get this straight, you think there exists a neutral 3rd party with 20/20 foresight?  If not, I call bullshit on your entire theory that anything can be regulated efficiently.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:18 | 1801957 apberusdisvet
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Econ indicators worsening:  Propaganda spin can not mask

Eurozone:  imploding

Bringing back the troops:  ominous

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:26 | 1801977 Randall Cabot
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Sarkozy Says Talks Progressing on European Banks, Greece

 

Euro zone talks are progressing well on banks and the European Financial Stability Fund, and progress is also being made on Greece, French President Nicolas Sarkozy told a press conference on Sunday.

CURRENT HEADLINE AT

http://www.cnbc.com

/ 

 

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:27 | 1801981 Mark123
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So, who actually made the decision to lend Greece all that money?

Are they going to be punished, or even publicly humiliated....something?  No, they are being tasked with coming up with a solution.

Pathetic.  If Germany let's the likes of Sarkozy paper over this by debasing their currency it will be a real shame.  But odds are that is what happens.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:35 | 1802002 Randall Cabot
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Just a tad OT

Ten Most Wanted White Collar Criminals by FBI

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44991262

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:47 | 1802048 Atomizer
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Tyler, in response to your comment. Follow the money that is not there. Great campaigning funds for new suckers to invest on false pretenses.

US to send troops to Uganda to help fight LRA rebels

IMF Says Africa Set for Steady Growth

Lastly..

Uganda one of fastest growing economies - IMF

IMF can skim vast amounts of income by new MSM terrorist threats in the Africa region. Deploy new military personnel and build military bases to charge monthly fees for international terrorism protection. China has occupied, controls the rare earth metal business.

China's Rare Earth Elements Industry

More to story, but that’s all I say..

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:49 | 1802060 FischerBlack
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Sarkozy and Merkel are stringing this thing along. They absolutely love the global attention they're getting. They don't want it to be over. Trichet, too.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 17:36 | 1802708 WonderDawg
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Yeah, I'm sure that's all it is, just attention getting stunts, nothing serious.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:57 | 1802081 Aductor
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You have to acknowledge the beauty in this. Market participants completely ignoring Political Science 101 - nothing will happen until we're already falling into the abyss, and that is not just yet. This is just the prelude.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:18 | 1802126 slewie the pi-rat
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this is why my wishing-to-be-american ancestors got the flock outa europe, BiCheZ?

they were laughing so hard, so often, they coundn't pour the mead? 

actually, i find this hopeful, b/c the europeons are so thoroughly muddled by the ongoing financialz that they have a pretty good chance of just saying:  fuk it!  re-set!  slewie is right:  Let Them Fail!

<this posting has been approved by my bong>

 

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 17:38 | 1802710 WonderDawg
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Approved, if not entirely understood, by mine as well.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 13:51 | 1802226 navy62802
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Herman Von Rompuy. Every time I see or hear his name, I'm reminded of a priceless clip courtesy of British politician Nigel Farage. Enjoy ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bypLwI5AQvY

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 14:14 | 1802283 plantigrade
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So they agreed that absent others (the banks) should take the fall, if they so agree.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 15:35 | 1802444 slaughterer
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SHORT THE FICKING EURO.  IT IS GOING DOWN.!!!  The EU LEADERS ARE WORSE THAN CLOWNS!! THEY ARE INEPT TRUFFLE HOGS!!!

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 15:56 | 1802476 Problem Is
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Look! It's CNBC's Fast Money!

It's bald ass Cramer the Clown with what's left of his three quarter cranial hairdo frizzing out like a methed up Bozo the Clown...

Oh wait that's a bike helmet...

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 17:45 | 1802728 WonderDawg
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The clown's missing the crazy bugged-eyed manic slobbering charisma of Cramer.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 18:26 | 1802823 pcrs
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I am really glad they show such incompetence. If they had been efficient, we would have been total slaves already. You don't want German efficiency when they are implementing facism.

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