Things That Make You Go Hmmm.... Such As An Empty Box Filled With Promises Of Money, And Europe's Soup Nazi

Tyler Durden's picture

Some amusing weekend observations from TTMYGH's Grant Williams: "The EFSF is basically an empty box filled with promises of money - many of them from the very people who are most likely to need to borrow that same money. Should they need to borrow the money, they won’t be able to make good on their promises so there will be less money for them to borrow. Now the brain trust running Europe have decided, in their collective wisdom, to apply leverage to the non-existent money in the empty box that they have yet to actually borrow, so it can backstop even more of the hundreds of billions of Euros of sovereign debt issued by countries whose finances are in such dire straits that they either require the kind of robust growth that is hardly likely to materialize any time soon or the forgiveness by the holders of that debt of a large part of it.... Of course, granting Greece the package they did this past week, the Eurocrats have rather incredibly found yet another corner into which to back themselves. You can hardly champion the ‘One Europe’ manifesto on the one hand but then, as the next country lines up at the counter, declare “No soup for you!” - but that seems to be the ‘plan’ at this stage."

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zorba THE GREEK's picture

The EZ treating countries differently is not going to last very long without

some members threatening to exit the Union.

paarsons's picture

Trust me.

Those bitches are bought and paid for.

They ain't going anywhere till the peasants start polishing off the guillotines. (sp?)

We're in for a hard long slog.

Lots of up and downs.

Good luck.

LeonardoFibonacci's picture

On a totally serious note did you know that HUGO BOSS designed the NAZI & SS uniforms that were worn in WW2.  No wonder their uniforms were so fashionable.

LeonardoFibonacci's picture

It is unfortuneate that alot of articles on ZH contain the word Nazi.  The Nazi government of Germany under Hitler would have never stooped as low as Merkel.  This crisis would have been avoided by Hitler just by eliminating the financial powers that are the same as those of Hitler's era.  Hitler would have a few extra train wagons waiting for all these people that again are running europe.  Needless to say the train destination would be in a remote place in Poland where  these criminals would meet their demise. 

Ghordius's picture

Your Hitler fixation is boooooooooring.
Even my fascist relatives who knew the guy would find it so.
I need a Nazi Comment Filter here.

spdrdr's picture

Fuck off and die, Leo.  In fact, fuck off and die a slow, painful cancerous death. 

That is all.

LeonardoFibonacci's picture

My freedom of speech disturbs you.  Historically between 1930 & 1945 this shit would have never happened in Germany.  Wishing illness on someone is not very koscher is it?

Greyhat's picture

"Historically between 1930 & 1945 this shit would have never happened in Germany."

The German Ponzi scheme 1933-45 based on uncovered Golddiskontbank bills was very similar to actual approaches. ;)

The only difference: There woudnt have been a Soros to bring down the house of cards. The Gestapo would have "managed black swan events" in a different way.

Would the US be a better place today if the house of ninja loan cards would have been "hedged" in a similar way?

Be careful what you wish for you just might get it.

paarsons's picture

Why all the anti-Semitism?

The WASPS and the Chinks are just as bad.

It's all about greed.

And the Jews haven't cornered the market on that sin.

LeonardoFibonacci's picture

Anti-Semitism?  3 times as many people have died in the Armenian genocide, do you hear them play the holohoax victim card in the main stream media?  Who controls main stream media today?

d_senti's picture

You know, I would honestly like to see a clear, concise explanation of these "the Jews run the world" theories. I've never seen one. I've investigated the Holocaust with an open mind and found that it absolutely happened, and worst-case scenario the numbers are off by a bit. I agree that some Jewish organizations play up the Holocaust for sympathy and that some accusations of anti-Semitism are overblown.

I've read the Talmud (a real version, not the ones for public consumption) and know what horrible things it says about Christians and non-Jews in general, and how traditional rabbinic Jewish doctrine sees the goyim (Gentiles) as less than human. I don't think many Jews agree today, but it's taught in the traditional doctrine. I know that Jews are overrepresented in law, banking, media and (especially leftist) politics, though my impression is that it's a cultural thing and based on Ashkenazi intelligence levels. I am fairly convinced that the Protocols are a hoax.

I understand all these things, but they in no way lead me to the conclusion that Jews as a whole (or Zionists if you make a distinction) are some unique blight on the world that must be stopped. Is there something I'm missing? Because it seems to me that the general wickedness of society's upper echelon knows no distinction between groups. The Protestants, Catholics, Jews, Mormons, Atheist etc. at the top are all plainly immoral and evil. In raw numbers other groups far outnumber Jews. So what is it?

I am asking sincerely. If there is a clear, definitive proof of something, I am convinced, regardless of the politically correct consequences of it. So does anyone have this proof that appears to have convinced so many? Or is this not a rational belief?

JR's picture

One wonders why after all of this research and exposure to the Jewish influence in America, you greatly underrate their power of influence in the media, film, literature, publishing houses, politics, and a number of other areas, such as the hostile merger and acquisition takeover of American corporations.

The particulars are that the Jews are not over represented in the financial industry – they saturate the financial industry. Yours is a false statement made with the appearance of truth. Over represented means it might be 5 percent or 10 percent greater…

Another point, when they saturate industries such as Hollywood, then their world view and their social views dominate the industry. As a result, the films that are made and the people who are either promoted or hired or blacklisted, all reflect those social mores or that world view. IOW, they tend to produce films that are critical of Christians and films that promote the idealism and the goals of the Jews.

How else can you explain a movie named “Golda,” which is a story of Golda Meir? How else to explain the film “Exodus” that celebrates the establishment of Israel, without showing the fate of the Arabs?  Or how else to explain the raising of money for extreme leftist causes, using star power and movie mogul influence?

And, how else to explain the 56 applauses and standing ovations by the U.S. Congress for Benjamin Netanyahu? It reminds one of Stalin’s Supreme Soviet, when showing less than sufficient respect could have meant death.

And by the way, with Arab Spring and the Middle East in extreme turmoil, why is it that the head of state of a foreign country involved in this turmoil was allowed to address a joint session of Congress—an unusual occurrence to say the least?  

Uri Avnery, former member of Israel’s Knesset, put it like this: “What the American Senators and Congressmen feared was a fate worse than death. Anyone remaining seated or not applauding wildly enough could have been caught on camera – and that amounts to political suicide. It was enough for one single congressman to rise and applaud, and all the others had to follow suit. Who would dare not to?”

Is the plight of the American people to be that of the Russian people’s? Solzhenitsyn reprinted this account of a Soviet district Party conference in response to a tribute to Stalin, very similar to the U.S. Congress’s response to Netanyahu.

“For three minutes, four minutes, five minutes, the ‘stormy applause, rising to an ovation,’ continued.  But palms were getting sore and raised arms were already aching. And the older people were panting from exhaustion… however, who would dare to be the first to stop? ... the  applause went on— Nine minutes! Ten! … with make-believe enthusiasm on their faces, looking at each other with faint hope …leaders were just going to go on and on applauding till they fell where they stood.  Then, after eleven minutes, the director of the paper factor assumed a business like expression and sat down in his seat… to a man, everyone else stopped dead and sat down.  That same night the factory director was arrested.”

This illustrates where Russia's power was located; does a similar occurrence in the U.S. Congress point to where the power is located?

d_senti's picture

Thanks for responding. I think your first point is one of semantics, or possibly degree, but the point stands either way. The number of Jews in these Professions vastly outweighs their relative population size.

On the second point - the promotion of their worldview and silencing of opposition - I largely agree with the sentiment, but am a bit muddled in the particulars. There is a distinct anti-Christian and leftist bent to nearly everything from Hollywood, and political correctness gone mad. I think my dispute, however, is likely rooted in the notion that these are Jewish ideas and values. Many Jews hold to them, and some/many were involved in their synthesis, but does that make Jews the problem? The ideas are the problem, and again, in raw numbers, there are many more non-Jews than Jews promoting these destructive ideologies.

It reminds me, in a way, if the notion of the Protestant work ethic. That strong work ethic existed in many Protestant countries, even to a much greater proportion than elsewhere, but it wasn't exclusive to them nor derivative of their fundamental beliefs. They didn't create the idea of a strong work ethic, obviously. So if it were seen as a good thing or a bad thing, it's not a Protestant problem or virtue, strictly speaking.

You have these poisonous ideas strongly represented among a group of people, the Jews, but I fail to see the connection between the poison of the ideas and the fundamental elements of the Jewish people. One does not directly derive from the other as far as I can tell.

I may be wrong; there may be a connection that I'm not aware of, something that lays plainly the connection. That's what I'm looking for, because a mere correlation, even a strong one, doesn't equate to causation. If you have any links, I'd be glad to read (as long as they're measured and rational, not some KKK git em business or elaborate conspiracies with little evidence, though I don't reject conspiracy out of hand).

JR's picture

First off, are you Jewish?

If so, you would know that originally Israel was a communal nation under God. Now, in general, the Jews are secular. When they made Man their god, it became communism gone awry, i.e., Marxism with a central control.

Herve Ryssen in his book, Les Esperances planetariennes (Planetarian Hopes) connects globalism with the Jews and their foundational beliefs.

The Jews, says Ryssen, even atheistic Jews, still have a Messianic expectation. “This is the fundamental point. As for the term 'planetarian,' it is a neologism which simply means the desire for a world without borders.”

Says Ryssen: “Their ‘combat for peace’ is ceaseless.

“Hebraic prophecies thus promse the progression of humanity towards a united world, and parallel to that, the suppression of social inequalities.  Here one can see the primitive sources of Marxism as well as the inspiration of our planetarian ideology at the beginning of third millennium, which, propagated by the media, is the dream of so many of our fellow citizens. Here is the heart of the Jewish vision of the world.  One must start here if one wants to understand the mental universe of the Jews.

"One can thus argue that the concept of ‘promised land’ means nothing less than a hope of planetary dimension, where all the nations will have disappeared. It is just what the philosopher Edgar Morin tells us, when he writes: ‘We do not have the Promised land, but we have an aspiration, a wish, a myth, a dream, to realize a global fatherland’ (Edgar Morin, Un nouveau commencement [Paris: Seuil, 1991] p. 9).’

“Sometimes," says Ryssen, “these texts lend the impression that in the minds of certain intellectuals, the idea is taken in the literal sense: that it would be good if the whole Earth were promised to them! Which sometimes leads to behaviors that are a bit invasive…”

Thus, it was the Jews’ claim that America’s immigration laws were racist that led to the 1965 Immigration Act that favored primarily Third World entry into the U.S ., and which supports open-border entry into the United States and Europe.

Steven E. Romer rebuts Ryssen with the perspective that Europeans “have different interpretations of almost every word uttered by Jews which define them and their aims.  We can use the same words, but mean different things because our motives are different.  Selfless truth and objectivity are nowhere a part of Jewish motives in the historical record anywhere.  They are bent on taking over the world, and we should use that sort of terminology to describe their aims which are political and financial aims clocked in religious-sounding words that we might use, but mean something entirely different by.  Their use of religious concepts and words was gleaned from living among those who actually do have selfless religious ideas based on truth about the world.”

Asked what kind of relationship could there be between a political system and Messianic faith, Herve Ryssen replied: "Democracy was not always the sole vehicle of planetarian hopes.  For a long time, the Marxist ideal also played this role.  It is well-known that Marx himself, and the great majority of the main Marxist ideologues and leaders, were Jewish: Lenin had Jewish origins, Leon Trotsky, Rosa Luxemburg, Georg Lukacs, Ernest Mandel, etc., just as were almost all of the leaders of May ‘68.   It is not an accident, and every Communist militant knows it. Marxism aspires to the establishment of a perfect world, where religions, like nations, will have disappeared along with social conflicts.  This schema, we note, fits perfectly within the messianic framework.  The thought of Marx is ultimately only the secularization of traditional Jewish eschatology….

“Marxism and democracy are two absolutely complementary and mutually indispensable forces in the project of constructing a global Empire.”

d_senti's picture

That's very interesting, and exactly the kind of thing I was looking to find. So the basic idea that you're suggesting is that the Jewish people are really the first utopianists? Other religious groups hope for heaven of a sort, some supernatural intervention that leads to paradise, but the terrestrial messianic expectations of the Jews lead them to pursue an earthly paradise of a sort, which is largely found in Marxism today? That make a fair bit of sense, actually.

I've seen that many of the flaws of modern society are some form of religious belief secularized and run amok. Chesterton made the same point quite well. You see it in post-Christian elements of the West where there is an expectation of either unending progress (linear time toward a final heaven) or an expectation of secular apocalypse (in global warming, peak oil, debt collapse, etc. - not saying these are true/false here mind you, just that they relate to our cultural mentality in a fundamental way).

Meanwhile, the cultural mentality if the Jews, when secularized especially, is one which pursues an earthly paradise, of which they inevitably see themselves at the center. This is good stuff. Any suggested reading? Free is better, as I'm not very well to do, but I could afford one or two books.

Oh, and I'm Catholic and of Euro-mutt blood (Norwegian, Italian, German). Thanks again for responding in a thoughtful manner.

JR's picture

Well, I don’t know about “utopia” on earth, not my idea of utopia, anyway. Utopia is outlined pretty well in Orwell’s book,”1984.” Following the Jewish goal, it is the sacrifice of individual aspirations to make a unified world where the State is everything.

Ryssen tells us that “The objective of the globalists is to destroy rooted, traditional cultures to create a uniform world.”

Thus we have Kwanzaa established in 1966 honoring universal African-American heritage featuring lighted candles and gift giving, and similarly with Hanukkah, a relatively minor and relatively new Jewish holiday, both piggybacking on Christmas to dilute the true meaning of this holy day – a major root of America’s Christian culture.

This aspiration of unity is expressed by the Hasidic philosopher Martin Buber, who gives an exact definition of totalitarianism: ‘Everywhere,’, he writes, ‘one will fine [in Judaism] the aspiration towards unity. Towards unity within the individual. Toward unity between the divided members of the people, and between the nations. Towards the unity of man and all living things, towards the unity of God and of the world (Judaisme, 1982, p. 35).”

To arrive to this perfect world, says Ryssen, “it is thus necessary to mix, crush, dissolve all national resistances and ethnic or religious identities. ‘Unity’ can be created only from human powder and the residues of great civilizations, and in this enterprise of destroying traditional civilizations, immigration plays a crucial role. The doctrine of ‘human rights’ are here a weapon of war of a terrible effectiveness.”

As to further reading, the works of Nobel laureate Russian historian, Alexander Solzhenitsyn, describes the originators and bosses that formed the terrorist cornerstone of the Soviet communist state, as in Lenin’s day.

I also recommend W. Cleon Skousen’s The Naked Capitalist: A review and commentary on Dr. Carroll Quigley’s book, “Tragedy and Hope.”

hivekiller's picture

I think you're putting too rosy a spin on the Jewish idea of unity. Their idea of unity is that of draft animals under their whip. They routinely refer to non-Jews as cattle, donkeys, roaches, etc. You cannot argue or reason with these people because their beliefs block out all reason or any notion that other people have the same rights. That would not even occur to a Jew. Jews have been expelled from just about every country on earth and yet they consider themselves victims. I've come to the conclusion that we cannot live with these people. They either have to be confined to an isolation ward or eliminated.

MSimon's picture

I think your first point is one of semantics, or possibly degree, but the point stands either way. The number of Jews in these Professions vastly outweighs their relative population size.


Yeah. Proof the game is rigged. More proof: The Jews get roughly 1,000 times as many Nobel Prizes as their numbers warrant.

Davalicious's picture

The holocaust is a hoax. Hitler et al wildly underestimated the Jews. Not only did they manage to bring the Americans and British into the war they finally paid the Germans back for their (justified) expulsion from Germany. Millions of German soldiers died in camps after the war, socialist (democrats) took over Germany, German children are forced to watch holocaust propoganda put out by Stephen Spieljew.

Hitler was too soft.

LeonardoFibonacci's picture

Alot of people make the distinguishment between Jew and Zionist, yet Hitler saw no difference between these two "terms" to refer to a same kind of people.  The Zionists did help Hitler come to power by rigging the elections with their money, power, influence etc....  In exchange the Zionists wanted Hitler & his war machine to deliver them Israel ( a homeland). 

Hitler pulled a Bernie Madoff on the Zionists by making promises that were purely empty to obtain control of the German government.  Hitler then created the 5 year plan to eradicate the Jew from Europe by taking anyone with jewish blood ( Jew, Zionist, Heeb) to the train station for a one way trip without return.  And the rest was history.


On another note why don't we ever hear about the Armenian Genocide where 3 times more people have been killed.  One thing is the Armenians don't use the victim card and are a proud people.


buckethead's picture

Someone got a weekend furlough...

Abitdodgie's picture

How about the 5 million Polish that were killed you don't hear them bitching about Genocide , but there again people like the Polish

hivekiller's picture

Jewish Bolsheviks murdered between twenty and sixty million Russians.,7340,L-3342999,00.html

Lenin announced they wanted to kill 10 million. He was a part Jew. The article above admits that Jews murdered 20 million. Solzhenitsyn claims the death total was 60 million. 

The Armenian genocide was carried out by the young turks, most of whom were Jews. What has happened to the Palestinians is a mirror image of what happened to the Armenians. Genocide. Dislocation. The stealing of their businesses and wealth by Jews.



Ghordius's picture

Your precious Grösster Führer Aller Zeiten is BORING

Write something about Speer, Göring, Eichmann, Hess, GOEBBELS, the StandartenFührer, whatever you want about that time...

But spare me the dribble about AdiSchatzi, he was not what you think and dream of. Bloody Korporal Psycho should have stayed a painter...

JR's picture

Here in a speech by Goebbels is an example of how the National Socialists used an appeal by revealing the truths of communism as Russian Communism was poised on the German border with a battering ram.

From a speech delivered in Nurnberg on September 13, 1935, at the Seventh National-Socialist Party Congress, entitled Communism With the Mask Off  :

“International communism would entirely do away with all national and racial qualities which are founded in human nature itself; in property it sees the most primary cause of the break-down of world trade in the capitalist system. 

“Accordingly it exploits this through an extensive and carefully organized and brutal system of action, setting aside personal values and sacrificing the individual to a hollow mass-idol that is only a travesty of actual life itself.

“At the same time it ignores and destroys all the idealistic and higher strivings of men and nations, through its own crass and empty materialistic principles. On the other hand, National Socialism sees in all these things—in property, in personal values and in nation and race and the principles of idealism—these forces which carry on every human civilization and fundamentally determine its worth.

“Bolshevism is explicitly determined on bringing about a revolution among all the nations…the Bolsheviks carry on a campaign, directed by the Jews, with the international underworld, against culture as such. Bolshevism is not merely anti-bourgeois; it is against human civilization itself…

“And where it has had the opportunity of practicing its theories it has created ‘The Paradise of the Workers and Peasants’, in the shape of a fearful desert of starving and hungering people…

“Millions of workers on hunger-wages such as are not thought of in western Europe, millions of afflicted and sorrowing peasants who have been robbed of their land, which is being completely ruined by the stupid experiment of a paralyzing collectivism, famine which claims millions of victims year after year in a country of such vast extent that it might serve as a granary for the whole of Europe,* the formation and equipping of an army which, according to the claims of all leading Bolshevists, is to be used for carrying out the world revolution, the brutal and merciless domination of the madly-led apparatus of State and Party at the hands of a small terrorist minority which is mostly Jewish…rings with the story of nameless suffering and indescribable hardships borne by a nation of a hundred-and-sixty million people…

“This propaganda starts out from the principle that the end sanctifies the means, that lies and slander, the terrorizing of the individual and of the mass, robbery and burnings and strikes and insurrection, espionage and sabotage of armies can and ought to be made use of, and therewith the aim of revolutionizing the whole world…”

*In pre-War days Russia was often spoken of as “the granary of Europe.”

JB's picture

Leo, you would be well served to read Webster Tarpley's George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography.

In doing so, you would realize that Hitler was financed by London and New York.

TK7936's picture

Atleast they didnt make there textiles in China.

Zero Govt's picture

if you'd take a lookey at the Labour laws, business laws, utility costs, property costs, transport costs, sack loads of other legislation in Europe (and America) you'd soon be making your textiles in China too

Socialism: how to shoot yourself in the bollocks while claiming the moral high ground!

If it looks like a clown, talks like a clown and walks like a clown, it must be a socialist


Davalicious's picture

>Socialism: how to shoot yourself in the bollocks while claiming the moral high ground!

Not yourself. Remember that the NKVD stayed at the rear, aiming machine guns on the plebs.

Davalicious's picture

>Socialism: how to shoot yourself in the bollocks while claiming the moral high ground!

Not yourself. Remember that the NKVD stayed at the rear, aiming machine guns on the plebs.

knukles's picture

Or threatening to treat other countries differently than the others that have been treated differently want to be treated, differently.  And when that happens, then the leveraged SPV or CDO2 Infinity* will be found lacking because the people who needed to borrow by selling their debt to the SPV are the same ones who bought the noted from the SPV backed by the debt that they already sold to the same SPV meaning that now there's an SPV sitting in the middle between the buyers and sellers who ("Surprise surprise" as Gomer Pyle used to say) are the exact same people who are on both sides of the transaction facilitated by Wall Street buying and selling the same bonds to the same people wrapped in a different cover.

Pull my finger,
Polish my turd,
Carry on the Ponzi,
Like nobody's heard.

caerus's picture

it would be interesting to see how a voluntary withdrawal from the EU would work given the wording of the treaty of seems like the drafters provided for the possibility of a "negotiated" withdrawal but left out any explicit possibility of a unilateral withdrawal...either way it looks like it would be messy

cranky-old-geezer's picture



Treaties are no match for military.

When Germany decides to leave the EU they won't care about any treaties.

caerus's picture

that's what i meant by "messy"

edotabin's picture

Nobody's going anywhere......

All this EU and Euro breakup talk is horseshit and everyone knows it. Sure the people are against what's going on. Sure they are right.  It wasn't the people that got everyone into this mess though. So, what makes anyone think the people can reverse this trend of full unification?

We've heard it all:

1. German constitution

2. German judges

3. German GDP to be ruined by EU intergration

4. Greeks lazy and will be kicked out

5. French banks suck and France will be rated ZZZ by the end of the year

6. Credit event, no credit event.....

7. Some Czech idiot is gonna derail the process

Again, I say horsheshit. A total waste of bits and bytes in cyberspace. Our masters want it this way and no amount of bellyaching on a website is gonna change it.


DavidPierre's picture

OT  but...

The Pig who shot Olsen in Oakland OWS demonstration...

holdbuysell's picture

Financial alchemy with no real input.

These chumps are really trying hard to pull the wool.

But COME ON, everyone knows you're broke. Give it up.

Game over.


Freebird's picture

Will the Portugese be having any soup soon?

tim73's picture

This is definitely something new...a Yank or Briton bashing EU decisions. The two most fubar nations in the West. Even the real Albania is soon better place to live than these two clusterfucks.

Global Hunter's picture

even the pretend make believe Albania and even hers people the fake albanians know to sing the praises of the clusterfucked and fubared EU.

gwar5's picture

And to think the EU countries couldn't even make socialism work with 60 years of US military welfare subsidy. They only spend 2.5% GDP on protecting themselves. Still do. Looks like the commies won anyway.  Try #OM - Occupying Moscow, see how far Putin lets you get.



tim73's picture

WTF are you talking about. European men (both sides) had to go to army, one year mandatory service for most during Cold War unlike you (ok, Vietnam was sort of conscription but only for some). Most Americans were getting rich and fat while west Europeans were at the frontal line against USSR. 

Yes, USA provided a lot of funding, paid soldiers and weaponry but that does not make all Americans great soldiers. Such great guys you Americans are/were, hiding behind de facto mercenary army like little weasels and sneering at guys who did the dirty work for you. For no pay or some fucking daily allowance money, depending on the country. Are you willing to do that for something like ten dollars or less per day?

Zero Govt's picture

the Commies have never "won" anything in their entire miserable existence except gaining political office (a brief glory followed by years of crumbling everything into the toilet)

Russia is still miles behind the standard of living of any European country and will stay that way while the Russian Govt and favoured Ogliachs controls (strangles and siphons) its weak oil-based economy.

Russia has gone from Communism to fascism without blinking... politics just never manages to get it right

Global Hunter's picture

Tim, 2 posts and I have no idea what point you're trying to make.  It seems you are suggesting American policy sucks (in agreement), all Americans suck (disagree), the Europe is the best (laughable) and that in a fight Euro's who have spent 3 generations buzzing around on mopeds, hanging out in cafes and town squares and living with their parents until they're in their early 30s are somehow a better trained fighting force that the American Army.  

I'd prefer to be on a moped whistling at girls myself than in the US Army, however that doesn't take away from the fact that some of your perceptions are frankly insane.

tim73's picture

Obviously you have not lived in any European countries and you believe every stupid stereotype about Europeans.

paratrooper325's picture

Let us be very honest here. Who polices the world? America. Why? Because we have the most disciplined military on the planet(and greedy politicians who only worry about their oil and resource interests). I was in the 82nd Airborne for 4 years. I have worked with Special Forces, D-Boys, Rangers, Belgian Commandos, Argentinian Infantry, and German Infantry Units. Out of all of the other "Allied" entities I have encountered the USA forces are 5 cuts above any European Force hands down.

An example is when we were out at JRTC training. You could hear the Germans drinking and singing songs in the woods by a huge fire over a click away. Not us, we were in the woods in hasty fighting positions waiting. In Iraq who did all the patrols and searches and missions (besides the fucking contractors which I have a strong abhorance to)? The Americans. Not the Brits, or anyone else.

So get your shit straignt before you open your cock holster again. The US military is volunteer only for a reason. You think I want some scrub with me in a firefight? Hell no I want the guy that has been there for 3 years right beside me training and fighting.

GCT's picture

Bingo Para been there and done that as well.  Don't forget their mandatory Beer breaks!  They are after all unionized!!!