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Things That Make You Go Hmmm - Such As A Power Struggle (To The Death) Within China's Power Elite

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For those who have not been following the Bo Xilai drama unfolding with furious pace over the past month, we have some advice: you should be, as the fate of China will be defined by who is left standing at the end, which in turn will have momentous consequences for the entire Developed World. But where does one start? Luckily, Grant Williams' latest TTMYGH has one simple plot line: presenting the past, present and future of the epic power struggle between Wen Jiabao and Bo Xilai which has already claimed at least on death, and within China's top power echelon, the Politburo Standing Committee.

From Grant Williams:

This week’s edition of Things That Make You Go Hmmm..... is a little differ- ent to those that have come before it in that it is more of a murder mystery/whodunnit and focuses on the machinations behind a very significant power struggle currently raging in the shadowy world of China’s ruling party.


For those amongst you who like tales of drunken British businessmen, unexplained deaths, cya- nide poisoning, swift autopsies, mysterious polit- ical figures, Lady Macbeth-type wives and police chiefs fleeing for their lives - read on. For those of you who prefer less sensationalist tales..... well read on anyway - this one’s a doozy!


As bizarre and salacious as this story is, the implications for the immediate future of China are extremely important and, with China-watchers split between those who believe a hard landing is not only assured but imminent, and those of a more sanguine disposition, the search for clues as to the outcome will be meticulous.




The Bo Xilai story is not over. It will continue to grace the pages of the more sensationalist West- ern media outlets for months to come and you can guarantee that with every new wrinkle, ev- ery new twist and each new turn that the story takes, some extremely powerful people are be- hind the dissemination of the information that we in the West are allowed to digest.


In a first, this particular Chinese power struggle looks as though will be fought largely in the pag- es of the Western press, with just enough freedom for the Chinese microblogging universe to ensure the required information reaches those for whom it is intended.


However it pans out, one thing is for certain, the stakes are incredibly high.


The removal of Bo Xilai is widely seen as market positive by many experts as it heralds the demise of the ‘Chongqing Model’ with its echoes of the Cultural Revolution, and with a senior official in the shape of Vice Premier Zhang being quickly installed as Bo’s successor in Chongqing, the return to the more private sector-oriented ‘Guangdong Model’ looks set to be cemented in the coming months, but should the Wen faction not completely extinguish the challenge of Bo and his allies, we could be in for some major upheaval.

Full report here (pdf)



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Sun, 04/22/2012 - 08:30 | 2364538 francis_sawyer
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Bo knows...

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 08:37 | 2364547 Bagger
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BoNo he doesn't

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 08:52 | 2364558 Colombian Gringo
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NoBo Know Nothing


Bo was in the pocket of the US and British interests and got burned by them when things got too hot.  This is the REAL story.


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 09:03 | 2364582 Oh regional Indian
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All the worst of global intrigue, underhand dealing, shady chinaman and his shadier wife, creepy englishman with clear connections to intelligence gathering....transition in the "party"....

Goes to show that a nation can be "upset" by so many levers.

Generally, if you notice, it looks like the putsch is on. In India, lot's of out-of-favour pols are facing all kind of leaks and general scrutiny they all thought they were above.

So, Chindia can take it to the chin in so many ways, it's hard to count.

Such is out world...




Sun, 04/22/2012 - 09:09 | 2364585 hedgeless_horseman
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How yu say bullish in pinyin?

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 09:33 | 2364617 Bicycle Repairman
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It is the only truly international word.  Except for 'Coke'.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 11:56 | 2364789 TheFourthStooge-ing
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How yu say bullish in pinyin?

Burrish! Don't you ever watch South Park?!


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 12:55 | 2364847 The Alarmist
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Well, since pinyin is the written form, you would express it as ??.  (Sorry, some things might translate, but they don't always display).  ?

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 13:35 | 2364889 Barefooted_Tramp
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my translator gives kanzhang 

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 07:54 | 2366267 Colonial Intent
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Gotta disagree on this one ORI.

"clear connections to intelligence gathering"

This is the noob whose singapore vehicle licence plate has 007 on it, he is a liability and not even MI6 would be daft enough to employ him.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 09:04 | 2364581 StychoKiller
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<a href="">bobobo bo-Bo-bobo</a>

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 22:37 | 2365859 rotagen
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Whatever happens, Israel will have its sleazy oily hand involved.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 09:02 | 2364579 spiral_eyes
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This was very much a struggle between the Maoists (Bo) and the Confucians (Wen).

Pretty sure the Confucians have won a devastating victory.


Mon, 04/23/2012 - 02:40 | 2366054 vato poco
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Same Shit, Different Country. This sort of thing is how noble families and organized-crime syndicates operate, & have for millenia: if you let the underlings smell blood in the water, there's gonna be an ungodly feeding frenzy right quick. Wen probably studied his 'Godfather', waited to see who would come to him about seeing, "Bo".

If one of the "different" political parties here gets slaughtered this November, you'll get to see all this up close & personal. Personally, am looking forward to it.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 09:11 | 2364591 DormRoom
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Games of Throne: China edition


House of  Deng Xiaopeng vs House of Mao Zedong.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 11:27 | 2364750 tmosley
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I guess they call them the white walkers because they forgot how to make cars, and became dependent on them for their industry before they rebuilt The Wall.


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 09:09 | 2364593 bank guy in Brussels
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Older folks in China often have some fondness for the Mao era, when there was essentially universal access to some medical care from the great pioneering 'barefoot doctor' programme.

That ended after Mao died and China became capitalist; for the last few decades, Chinese without money for medical care have been left to die at the hospital doorway. The Chinese leadership have been currently working fiercely to restore minimal medical care to everyone, but there are many Chinese who feel the capitalist era has made things very unfair.

In Eastern Europe as well, the majority of older folks who remember Communism, would vote to have the Communists back.

In China, as Ambrose Evans-Pritchard has pointed out, the wild card is perhaps the young Chinese military officers, who are proud and nationalistic and who may feel that China became too submissive to the West these last few decades.


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 09:33 | 2364619 LetThemEatRand
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With all of the great wealth in China among the new oligarch class, you'd think some of those folks overflowing with money would do the right thing and take care of their felllow citizens wiho have life-threating medical needs given that they are not encumbered by mandatory taxes for such things.  After all, we are reminded constantly on ZH by dedicated anti-tax types that private citizens will take over all of the critical needs of the poor if the government just gets out of their way and stops forcing them to do so.  

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 10:42 | 2364697 jwoop66
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Both of you(rand/brussels) are truly party men(persons).  

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 12:11 | 2364811 LetThemEatRand
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If by that you mean I am dedicated to looking at reality instead of relying on an ideology which is really nothing more than a cloak fashioned to conceal pure selfishness and greed and created by a group of sociopaths to sell their ideology as somehow better for society as a whole as opposed to themselves and a few lucky elite who will rise to the top, guilty.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 23:31 | 2365943 Breaker
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"an ideology which is really nothing more than a cloak fashioned to conceal pure selfishness and greed and created by a group of sociopaths to sell their ideology as somehow better for society as a whole as opposed to themselves and a few lucky elite who will rise to the top, guilty."

You must be referring to American progressives, who, in the past 70 years, have acquired control over trillions of dollars every year and almost untold power by arguing that giving them the money and power is better for society as a whole.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 11:07 | 2364723 caconhma
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I agree that a government MUST provide min basic medical services to its citizens.

Presently, insurance companies (as a part of the US ruling banking oligarchy) neither provide adequate medical coverage nor do anything controlling medical expenses, abuses, and runaway fraud.


The bottom line: a government must provide certain vital/essential services such as (but not limited to)

·      National defense and national integrity

·      Conduct of Foreign affairs

·      Boarder and immigration control/enforcement

·      Basic medical services

·      Interstate commerce

·      Protection of major citizens liberties, freedom, and political equality


It is absolute BS that citizens in civilized societies must be at ruling oligarchy mercy.  In other word, a promotion of limitless “private liberties” is basically a promotion of slavery!

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 11:28 | 2364733 hedgeless_horseman
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"I agree that a government MUST provide min basic medical services to its citizens."
What about food, comrade?
What about shelter, comrade?
What about water, comrade?
What about fuel, comrade?
What about transportation, comrade?
What about clothing, comrade?
What about education, comrade?
What about work, comrade?
What about capital, comrade?
What about a pension, comrade?
What about internet access, comrade?
What about sex, comrade?
What about God, comrade?
What about vacation, comrade?
What about leadership, comrade?


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 11:29 | 2364755 GOSPLAN HERO
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Comrade President Obama will lead us to a Workers' Paradise.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 11:39 | 2364766 DosZap
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Comrade President Obama will lead us to a Workers' Paradise.


Sure he will,after he destroys the rest of the middle class...........................Carry On.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 12:58 | 2364866 The Alarmist
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First of all, you do not refer to the Maximum Leader as Comrade, for we are not worthy to lift ourselves up to his status.  Chairman might suffice, but Maximum Leader always.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 11:37 | 2364764 john39
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how about just permitting a medical system that isn't wholly controlled by big pharma and other medical special interests that  are bleeding people dry financially while providing useless and destructive "treatment".   A system that outlaws effective holistic treatments, and puts no investment into educating the population about what makes them ill and what makes them healthy.  its a system purposefully designed to fail.   This is not about communism vs. capitalism, it cronyism, just like the financial system.   Now the gov won't even allow you to opt out, you will buy shitty insurance or you will be fined.   how fucking fascist is that?

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 11:51 | 2364778 The Real Fake E...
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ok i need to clear things up a bit. very basic medical care is quite cheap - 100-200rmb for a routine check up assuming you have no major work done. This is about the equivalent of 15-30USD. Now if you find yourself going to the emergency room over something more serious, you're going to shell out a little more dough. Anywhere from 2k-25k usually depending on your condition. The ambulances suck, aren't equipped with much other than a little oxygen and a 1970's stretcher. Far cheaper than US emergency room costs, but given the salaries for the average Chinese, this can set them back quite a bit. The other thing to remember about China is that you pay first, then you get treated only after paying. None of this we'll see you, then pay us later like in the US. So yes, if you haven't saved money, you will die in the waiting room. Not to worry though as most Chinese have a good chunk of savings for such situations. Amazing that people will save money when they know their government won't bail them out.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:31 | 2365671 Acorn10012
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Hard to help a person who lives on junk food. Always have the choice to buy fruits, vegetables, water. Most illness is brought on by lifestyle choices.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 12:56 | 2364864 The Alarmist
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What about self-reliance, Comrade?

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 16:19 | 2365186 dolly madison
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What about sex, comrade?

I really don't want the government supplying sex!

However, I do think that it would be good for government to supply infrastructure, such as hospitals, libraries and schools, courts, police and fire fighters.

I think a big problem is that the banksters play their bankster games, and through it end up with most of the property.  That is what makes the people poorer.  Land can feed.  Land can be a pension.  When people farmed, the old people stayed taken care of at the farm with their grown children running the farm.  If the people have land, then they shouldn't need food or pensions.  It is the keeping of land from the people that causes the need for food stamps and pensions.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 22:48 | 2365880 jonjon831983
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"What about sex, comrade"

EBT! Just swipe my EBT, EBT, EBT!


Chips n hoes! Just swipe my EBT EBT EBT!  Something hot n juicy, swipe my EBT! EBT!


Note: /sarc

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 11:42 | 2364770 No OB Wan Kenobe
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And whom will they force to provide this min basic medical sevrice and what constitutes basic medical services--to be decided by some bureaucrat I suppose. If medical care is a "right" then any physician who does not provide this basic medical service is in violation of the law. Come to think of it, to be forced to do somethng against your will is the same as slavery! 

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 12:23 | 2364825 insanelysane
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Governments only have to provide a basic amount of services to their citizens because if they don't the citizens will oust the government.  History shows us that most governments can't handle balancing these services and all governments eventually fail.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 11:18 | 2364742 nmewn
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"After all, we are reminded constantly on ZH by dedicated anti-tax types that private citizens will take over all of the critical needs of the poor if the government just gets out of their way and stops forcing them to do so."

We're talking about a government & culture that values a males life higher than a females life to begin with here LTER.

Those "critical needs" were dealt with rather "economically" under Mao were they not? Got a headache? with their heads...problem weak to produce? with their heads, so as to not be a burden on the state.

They probably had a nice little select group of statists who made those important calls for the sake of the poor.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 11:36 | 2364763 DosZap
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private citizens will take over all of the critical needs of the poor if the government just gets out of their way and stops forcing them to do so."

Worked for nearly 200 yrs, before the statists took over.............and are we better off?.

NO,our most  benevolent masters took over the job the church/private charities/the states/ citizenry had done for years.( we were called neighbors, and we knew each other)

If one were to do a real NEEDS based study of every welfare recip, 75% would be off the roles in a nano sec.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 12:00 | 2364793 nmewn
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I'd like to see LTER give an itemized account of expenses incurred vs results gained, starting with ObamaCare going backwards through "shovel ready" and ending with LBJ's War on Poverty.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say she's not up to it ;-)

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 13:49 | 2364901 LetThemEatRand
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I know it's tempting, but you really need to stop blaming external forces like evil "collectivism" for your own failures, Nmewn.  Gates, Ellison, Walton, Jobs, and countless others have made fortunes in your hated collectivist society.   Somehow I don't think that the meager taxes you have contributed to our roads and schools (bet you went to public school) and hospitals and minimal health care for the poor etc is the true reason for your own lack of personal success.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 16:28 | 2365208 nmewn
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lol...don't worry about me LTER, I'll be fine I can assure you of that ;-)

But tell me about these poor you fret about constantly. Do you think its better (long term) for "chronically poor" to have opportunity or handouts? And where is my itemized list of statist accomplishments vs expense?

Lastly, two things, do you provide health insurance to your employees at your florist shop?

And where is my answer from you on Soros' morality when we last engaged?

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 11:39 | 2364767 tmosley
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Yes, that's what they need for "progress".  More fucking government.

Yes, I'm sure they can afford universal health care with a GDP per capita of $5,400.

That money would not be better spent on building up productive capital to make everyone wealthier, pulling the population into the middle class such that the vast majority could afford their own health care, and have enough money left over for charity such that there would be help for those who couldn't afford it.  

No, capitalism is bullshit because it doesn't give everyone everything in five minutes like big government promises to.  A government promise is always better than real freedom.

Do I need to label that as sardonicism?

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 12:04 | 2364802 LetThemEatRand
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How about you and your "taxing me to pay for the poor is slavery" friends stop arguing that the poor will magically receive food, shelter and free health care from generous fellow citizens if we do away with all government programs on the subject.  Then we can have a conversation about how to fix the current problem which includes a lot of people abusing that system, an overblown government, etc.  You and all Rand followers start the debate with a fantasy ideal that does not and never would exist.  If you believe it is okay as a society for its poor to die in the street and ER waiting rooms with treatable conditions when the tax funded safety net goes away, say so.  If you don't, then you need to revise your idea of a solution.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 12:56 | 2364862 Moe Howard
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Give us your address so we can see what you have that the poor need. Stop taking everybody's stuff until you have given all you have. Once you have given all, come back here and start telling us how to give ours. Idiot.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 13:45 | 2364893 LetThemEatRand
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Right, better for me to give everything of mine than for you to contribute anything at all.  That's what it all comes down to for you clowns.  You gladly enjoy the benefit of public roads, public utilities, the interstate system and all of the private commerce it made possible, GPS and telecommunications developed through the collectivist work of NASA and all of the private commerce it made possible, and on and on, but you don't want to contribute to it.   It's called living in a society.  We all sacrifice a little for the common good.   I realize that purely selfish people like you have a hard time with that.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:41 | 2365695 Acorn10012
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"...than for you to contribute anything at all."

Yes, most of us contribute nothing in the way of taxes. All he's suggesting is for you to lead by example. Nothing says you can't take a vow of poverty.

Often, I find liberals want someone else to pay for their mental and emotional comfort.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 13:17 | 2364879 JOYFUL
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Please do not group anti-statists with "Rand followers"'s like calling Clint Eastwood a "gun nut'" cause he liked to make westerns & movies bout cops with a bad attitude...some stuff just comes with the territory.

You scored a couple of good points up above, no use losing it all for the sake of a mosley mashup.

Yes, it's hard to imagine people with wealth spending it to help their poorer neighbours, but wasn't all that long ago it was hard to imagine China would ever amount to anything other than a derelict museum of Stalinist archetypes....tell ya what...let's just try the no-state thing to get it out of our systems...if it doesn't amount to much, well hey, we'll be that much further ahead in knowing what doesn't work!

Poverty is not socialism. To be rich is glorious\Deng Xiaoping


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 14:19 | 2364948 Oh regional Indian
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Well said Joyful. 

i do believe though that the simulacra are all full of violence and on+hyper-reality...

Pav's Lovs are being readied for a Bladerunner future...


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 13:03 | 2364868 masterinchancery
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We have to remember that in China there is no guilt in the western sense, they only worry about shame, which is public disgrace.  Hence, poison in baby formula is ok as long as it isn't discovered and publicized.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 14:53 | 2365007 akak
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Apparently, in China there is neither guilt nor shame inherent in constantly and very publicly spitting, nose-picking, or even shitting on the roadsides either --- all perfectly acceptable in the People's Republic of Blobbing-Up (let's not even bring up the rape of Tibet, or the enforced abortions, or the tens of millions killed by Mao's megalomania in the "Great Leap Forward (into Starvation)", or the innumerable crimes and cruelties of the so-called "Cultural Revolution", or the Tiananmen Square Massacre of 1989 --- mandatory organ "donations" tend to follow the discussion of such heresies). Nor is there any societal shame in the rampant levels of pollution and environmental destruction currently "enjoyed" by the citizenry under their benevolent one-party rule. 

Sometimes, when dealing with the Chinese (as with our dear dishwasher friend AnAnonymous here), I wonder if we are not in fact facing a different species of human altogether: Homo formicensis, a.k.a. "Ant Man".

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 14:56 | 2365026 Ramboy
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People don't control doings in china.  It's all illuminati who are tired of western JudeoZionSlutz and moved on to kung pao

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 16:27 | 2365204 Whiner
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No charitable tradition such as built crumbling Christian institutions of West. Communists turn out to be gangsta thugs by another name doing only enough to keep their billions. There will be an ugly reformation and like here, it will come from economic collapse ala USSR

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 10:38 | 2364694 KickIce
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I think they're more parasites than capitalists but I get the point; that being said they suffer from the same disease we do as in cronyism to the nth degree.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 11:15 | 2364737 DosZap
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I think they're more parasites than capitalists

If they are tht the Fed is a Tapeworm.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 14:57 | 2365029 Ramboy
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I'd work with a Chink over a Jew anyday..

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 13:28 | 2364867 hamurobby
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In the past 150 years, the parasites have overrun the host. There is no going back at this point until it all fails, and then we will be told that "capitalism" has failed once again. The arguement that we could/would help each other will only work if there are enough producers and less needy. Government cannot restore the balance without a great purge after it has gained control over its people. This has happened many many times in history. Producers only will help those who are productive, the rest were always left to fend for themselves in any society including the animal world. This social eutopian bs has always and will always fail miserably because it is designed to fail, followed by much more control over the masses of producers that are left for the collective good. This is a baby step away from an abortion arguement. Which is it, should we be free to do as we want, have families we cant take care of, or control those who would? Where are these poor souls families who had them? Why are their families not taking care of them? Because we have already gone down the road of social care to the point that it has overrun the ability to take care of them, we have to continue it at any cost? The real question should be, why has this happened?  Maybe the argument should really start with the direction of government spending on wars and the off shoring production for corporations who don't pay in this fascist corporate controlled "capitalism" as it is called by so many. Then maybe there would be enough to go around to help those who are needy and not take any more from the producers.


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 11:29 | 2364756 DosZap
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Feel for the people,I really excuse for that period.

But why did those systems fail.

When I work my ass off and you skate by, and  YOU reap the same rewards,what incentive does one have to continue to bust it or  do so?.

Answer NONE.

Epic FAIL.

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 00:53 | 2366001 John Wilmot
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"Older folks in China often have some fondness for the Mao era"

What a coincidence, that's the title of the third chapter of my upcoming book, "Why Humanity is Totally Fucked."

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 09:34 | 2364616 LetThemEatRand
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Somehow I'll bet Wal-Mart was involved in all of this.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 10:25 | 2364675 BLACK_DOG
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They should be greatful, we gave them Walmart and Apple!

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 10:29 | 2364682 GMadScientist
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Take everything in your house that says China and put it out on the lawn.

Okay, now we can talk.


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 11:33 | 2364759 GOSPLAN HERO
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Junk for junk.

However, the plastic junk will be with us forever.

The paper will be burned for heating.



Sun, 04/22/2012 - 12:21 | 2364823 Uncle Remus
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In my humble abode that would leave, at a minimum, the "stackables", all the weapons and ammo. Hmmm.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 10:37 | 2364692 Desert Irish
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That's a green

You can bet on one thing - no negative economic numbers will be coming out of China in the next 6 months.....bullish

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 10:47 | 2364703 dracos_ghost
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"No Bo Ho Sho Ko Ro To So.... Bokodosodobofopojo.... M'ho."

This Chinese transition of power is getting bumpy.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:45 | 2365707 Acorn10012
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"No Bo Ho Sho Ko Ro To So"....with an order of fried rice to go.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 11:06 | 2364709 Amagnonx
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Well - it seems that my question of who really runs China has been emphatically answered - China now belongs to the international bankers.  This is likely to mean that the US and China will be brought to war at some point in future - not that far away probably.


So for clarity, the factions as I now understand it; US, EU, Japan, China, India, Australia, Canada, South Africa (and some countries not mentioned) all fall under the political control of the international bankers through control of their political systems.  Those states against are Iran, North Korea, Venzuala - there may be other smaller nations that I don't know of - those are the big ones. 


On Russia I am undecided.


We can therefore except China to continue buying treasuries as if there is no tomorrow - right up until the bankers feel that they are ready to collapse the system and provide us with a solution - that solution is likely to be a very big war and a new international currency.


Also for clarity within any nation there are many different political groups, usually only three groups count. 

1. The international bankers, supported by the fraction of the political and media class they control directly through coercion or bribes.

2. The incumbent political class, supported by the fraction of the population they directly control via authority or propaganda.

3. The population who does not support the political class (a subset would be those who see the propaganda for what it is).


In a country where 1 controls the majority of 2 and 3 is a small fraction - I would describe as basket cases.  In many western countries the group 3 is growing, however force is likely to be required to end the rule of the banks.  The banksters own the law - so don't expect your resistance to be legal - if its not illegal today, it will be tomorrow.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 13:56 | 2364909 Mary Wilbur
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I've read elsewhere on the internet that China is reducing its supply of Treasuries.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 14:18 | 2364945 Amagnonx
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Yeah - I suspect a bullet in someones head, or a few drops of cyanide to have reversed that proposed direction - time will tell, i'm just calling it like I see it.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 13:59 | 2364912 JOYFUL
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Please include my micro-nation of Nouveau Bzyantium on yur list of rogue states. We stand by Iran - any country what has the wit to send the OBAMANATOE a toy[pink!!!]drone back to replace the real one is worth aligning with, in my opinion.

We don't like banksters, have an aversion to any currency easier to hoard than circulate via honest trade, an don't even wish to 'return to the gold standard.' Electrum(the real one, not the botcoin) is our currency of choice, and we have established a stable rate of exchange against suitcase nukes so that we can defend our freedoms.

Oh, and I think maybe add Cuba to your list too, unless Raoul has also gotten too chummy with the international banksters as well! Or maybe you included it in yur reference to Venzuala - could that be an agglomeration of Venezuala, Cuba and Anglola in the making? Maybe I'll send an ambassador...luv those free BBQ's!

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 14:08 | 2364925 GeneMarchbanks
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'Please include my micro-nation of Nouveau Bzyantium on yur list of rogue states.'

What's your passport situation there? Inquiring minds want to know.


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 14:31 | 2364980 JOYFUL
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We consider passports an archaic artifact of the money power, and prefer to size up the members of passing caravans seeking throughfare by visual inspection and the trading of long passages of memorized poetry over endless cups of hot nettle tea brewed on wood fire under starry skies.

Seems to shake out the wheat from the chaff.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 14:36 | 2364994 GeneMarchbanks
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Nettle stings a bit kinda like oregano. Rooibos OK?

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 15:48 | 2365104 JOYFUL
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The brew will do.

“all of life is a foreign country.”  Jack Kerouac



Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:50 | 2365471 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Stinging nettles no longer sting when boiled.

Knowledge of this should win me at least a temporary provisional admittance to your rogue nation.


Mon, 04/23/2012 - 01:01 | 2366011 Oh regional Indian
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Y'all would have to deal with an ori as a country-mate. Think you can deal? Gene? ehhhh?


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:21 | 2365546 Uchtdorf
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I'm in. You secured my loyalty with the "wheat from chaff" idea.

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 05:51 | 2366122 JOYFUL
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Right then y'all...

meetup at


27.7140030 38.5047910 

(King Croesus old palace) byAugust 13th...for a celebration of the original *electrum* gold coinage & contemplation of the fate of all Empires...then on to Mary's House (Ephesus) for the Aug 15 gathering...just bring yur own bedroll n favorite brew...we'll supply the starry skies n fresh mounts.


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 14:47 | 2364977 earleflorida
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yeah - and america's frb will do what it has known inevitably for ~ two decades +/+,... will be to default on its debt --- perhaps  WWIII will materialize - or the very fact that america has capitulated its hegemony to china will suffice - it's only a matter of time before two equal and irreversible forces clash, but the caveat regarding Newton's law only applies to the physical universe, and not the carbon-based oligarchy entities, ideology of irrefutable hubris, that is so,... so awfully abundant in the good-ol-USSA?


Ps. were fucked either way

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 10:58 | 2364714 bankonzhongguo
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Without knowing much about any of this, it sounds like either someone wanted Heywood's Aston-Martin business or he was outed as an MI6 agent.  Just the vague idea that a barbarian had penetrated the palace elite is enough to criticize everyone for generations.  Nobody could come to Bo's defense if Heywood was even perceived as a national security issue.  The truth is irreverent.  In the scope of things Chongqing is as important to China as Raleigh, NC.  Let this be a lesson to ex-pats.  You can live there 10 years, learn the language, be a productive influential person, make billions - and get killed for next to no reason and nobody cares.

The PLA/MSS runs things.  Always has and always will.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 11:40 | 2364768 john39
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all the wealthy chinese gov elites work with foreigners to smuggle wealth and assets out of china.  there is a word for it, though it eludes me at the momment.  white glove or something along those lines....

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 11:55 | 2364773 JustObserving
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Hey, Chinese people - "To deal with the uncertainty of your leadership, you may want to buy an ounce or two of gold and few ounces of silver.  The US Fed has conveniently kept prices low for your benefit.  Who knows what tomorrow may bring? Diversify into gold and silver.  Take some of the $150 trillion worth of real estate in your country and convert it into assets that will always retain their value.  And help us end the tyranny of the Fed and the Morgue here.  Thank you for your support."

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 13:53 | 2364905 Mary Wilbur
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They've been doing that for some time.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 12:01 | 2364796 JW n FL
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Take a Bow!!




Sun, 04/22/2012 - 12:03 | 2364800 gnomon
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Come out, Come out, China Troll wherever you are!


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 13:18 | 2364880 Big Corked Boots
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He's been blobbing up, and taking a shit by the side of the road... he'll be along...

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 15:32 | 2365034 akak
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More offuscation and road taking to Hell of the typical American Easter Island European US Citizen.

Such as, the gobble-up nature of US Citizens is eternal.

US Citizens, being the parangons of world canibilism, every cloudy facet of doctrine that is US Citizenism, now visible to all.

US Citizenism exists for all time to grab what is not US Citizens owning but claim their own in true eternal US Citizenism fashion --- US monkey see as US monkey does.

Much better to conform to Chinese Citizenism mode of life, allowing to make spit and digging of the nose and suchlike defecation on side of road where belongs doing of it.

Chinese Citizenism like Borg of TV fame --- resistance is futile. US citizens will be assimulated.

US Citizenism citizens will fight back, but too fat and lazy from the hamburgers and pizza pies of all day eating, will fall to power of Chinese Citizenism hive mind.

Oh fabled Ben Franklinism, born 4 July 1776, soon to rest in toxic Chinese garbage plot.

Chinese Citizenism to US Citizenism: We will berry you!

Make me laugh!

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:08 | 2365513 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Economical times flew slowlier during anything fluctuate way too fast on way to be the sail ages than during loan period is one month only, too much fluctuation will happen.

Yet one line spoils it all: the usual US citizen meme. 1776,July,4th.

Bringing up the past is quite nice but one goes into debt by loaning money.

Prudent or not, the car civilization is typically the driving force behind the excessive walks in the land of fantasy.

Observations on US citizenism encompasses well known public facts but to organize the rivalry between.

Now, when moving to US citizen realm, they are oppressed by people who will disappear as it is well known, that has been so unambiguously profitable to start to hit at some circumnavigation achieved by Magellan-Elcano.


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 12:18 | 2364821 bahaar
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Capitalism comes with a price.  Extreme inequality.  That's what the ex-communist, ex-socialist countries in the East are discovering.  Unlike the West they don't have enough money to keep the poor downtrodden masses drugged with free hand-outs.  What's ironic about Bo Xilai is, while he advocated return to communism (each according ot his need and not according to his greed), he was busy transferring his wealth to some Western nation, probably the US (son being already there).

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 13:38 | 2364890 ebworthen
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The Chinese Communists don't sound much different than our Capitalists.

Bribery, theft, greed, corruption, bought police and courts, offshoring money, etc.

Capitalism coming to China doesn't seem any better than Communism.

In either case you will have a lot of politicians and business types talking about the good of the people, right and wrong (blah-blah) while in reality ignoring the people who are the wage slaves doing their bidding for peanuts and no right to property or freedom.

When unfettered mammon lusters are in power, does it really matter if they are Capitalists or Communists?

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 13:50 | 2364902 Mary Wilbur
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Tylers, great post. summarized Soros' remarks a day or two ago. It was a lot easier to read than to listen to him. He is getting very frail.

The Wall Street Journal has done a superb job of covering the Bo Xilai story. The Wal Mart Mexican bribery affair is news to me.

Cheers for Geert Wilders!

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 14:40 | 2365000 earleflorida
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let's hope soros has a big enough coffin to stand up to the money he wishes to be buried with --- there ain't ever enough cash to buy off satan, just ask the vatican

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 13:52 | 2364904 q99x2
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Fuck China. I did better before Washington adopted their policies. Close the borders and throw the globalists out.

When I go to the market and the meat is from Nicaraugua I think, "Globalist m'fers trying to kill me to make a buck." Time we clean up this mess now.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 15:00 | 2365005 Ramboy
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Illuminati moved over to work with the Chinese people.  The gears are in motion.  The alien-knowers don't care anymore about Zmerica's daughters of Zion who are hymen-less and brainwashed by Judeos at 12.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 14:45 | 2365013 jack stephan
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Raul Hernandez: This is my ant farm. These little guys can lift fifty times their own weight. They also spend weeks digging these little tunnels. And hey, they really hate it when you do this.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 15:05 | 2365041 Silversem
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I wonder if i can find a contract for difference on Chinese shares. This shit can give some volatility and that is always good for trading.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 15:18 | 2365056 DeadFred
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The real mystery is about the identity of one of the oldest characters in this sordid tail, Hu Yaobang. He Bang Dae Ho.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:11 | 2365520 TheFourthStooge-ing
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For Hu, Dae Bang Toes.


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 15:18 | 2365057 DeadFred
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The real mystery is about the identity of one of the oldest characters in this sordid tail, Hu Yaobang. He Bang Dae Ho.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:56 | 2365484 covert
Mon, 04/23/2012 - 05:12 | 2366111 celticgold
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do not ask for whom de hoe bangs ... she bangs for hu

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 06:56 | 2366173 silverdragon
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China is just cleaning house, 'Kill the chicken and show the monkey" Xi Jin ping will take over and growth will continue. Chinas trading partners that prefer Renminbi to dollars or Euros will grow in number.

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 07:30 | 2366224 Colonial Intent
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Wang knew how the chinese govt works, thats why he went to the US embassy, to preserve his life.


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