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Third Aircraft Carrier Group Coming To Iran

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For months now we have been following US naval developments and deployments in the Arabian Sea, which serve one purpose and one purpose only - to demonstrate US military strength in the Straits of Hormuz region and to keep Iranian 'offensive passions' subdued. Yet never has the US had a total of three aircraft carrier groups in the vicinity, always topping out at 2 in the Bahrain-based Fifth Fleet, most recently these being the CVN-70 Vinson and CVN 72 Lincoln, with a third boat present merely until a rotation in or out of the theater of operations was complete. That is about to change, and with it the prevailing price of Brent, which we are confident is about to take a new step wise price higher as the US makes it all too clear what the endgame is, because as Naval Today reports, the "US navy to deploy third carrier group to Persian Gulf", probably the CVN-77 George H.W. Bush which departed Norfolk two weeks ago according to the most recent naval update, or any other Norfolk-stationed aircraft carrier: there is a wide selection to chose from.

From Naval Today:

US Navy to Deploy Third Carrier Group to Persian Gulf

US Navy to Deploy Third Carrier Group to Persian Gulf

The carrier group based in Norfolk, VA will also include a guided missile cruiser and three guided missile destroyers, reports Interfax.

USS Abraham Lincoln had already entered the Persian Gulf via the Strait of Hormuz on Jan 22. She is escorted by a guided missile cruiser and two destroyers (USN), one British and one French warships.

Meanwhile, another US Navy’s carrier strike carrier group headed by USS Carl Vinson is stationed eastward the Strait of Hormuz, in northern part of the Arabian Sea washing southwest coast of Iran.

At present, the US has 15,000-men force deployed in Kuwait, expeditionary marine battalion, and amphibious landing group., default;">




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Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:28 | 2109162 GeneMarchbanks
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As I said Valentines Day upcoming...


Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:33 | 2109190 GetZeeGold
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Nothing says "we love you" better than max firepower.



Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:42 | 2109217 Oh regional Indian
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It really is Psycopath oil-e-Garchy versus the rest of the world eh?

Cannon-fodder being lined up in the line of fire for whatever mad scheme some oil addled mind has dreamt up to extend their cancerous "Rule" just a little longer.

Anyone reading this brave enough, courageous enough, open-minded enough, sharp enough to actually try and DO something about this Oily grip around our collective throats?


Oil and water do not mix for very good reason. 


Killing the OIL Paradigm >>>/watershed-day-may-this-pour-through-a-million-pairs-of-eyes/

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:23 | 2109337 Green Leader
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The magician has virtually everybody looking at the middle east.

The magician's other hand is in Africa, ORI.

Ponder that, as ewe say.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 11:09 | 2109520 john39
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and his five other hands (all with six fingers) are grasping at every other corner of the earth...

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 13:32 | 2110114 blueRidgeBoy
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I've been searching for a six-fingered man...

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 14:42 | 2110342 creviceCaress
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anybody wanna peanut?

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:32 | 2109382 tired1
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'Anyone reading this brave enough, courageous enough, open-minded enough, sharp enough to actually try and DO something about this Oily grip around our collective throats?'

What do you suggest? I'm still in the information gathering phase. My personal solution is to distance myself from this whole mess. I have little confidense in the American charactor, in fact, I confess that I was on the other side of many of these arguments just a few years ago. Spending some time ine 'Holy Land' and seeing just how much love Israeli's had for Christians was the wake up call for me.

I am unable to guage the level of awareness of the American populace as a whole. What I forsee is a collapse economic system in general that will enable the media to stampede the goyim. Hell perhaps it's time to invade Canada and Mexico. Everyone knows they're up to no good.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 11:32 | 2109584 Spastica Rex
Mon, 01/30/2012 - 11:38 | 2109603 slewie the pi-rat
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great comment t_1!

the pathetic loser with whom you are in "dialogue" [L0L!!!] may be a while getting back to help you with what you should do, now

he is off spamming the balticDry string, jumping it, to post (paste from balticDry): 

So I'll ask again....


Anyone reading this brave enough, courageous enough, open-minded enough, sharp enough to actually try and DO something about this Oily grip around our collective throats?


hard to believe, rilly

as i have tried to point out for many moons now, if you look at this somewhat objectively, i think one would pretty much hafta conclude that this oreo clown may be a huge security risk for this site, but only for those who wish to engage in anonomous free speech here on zH, since virtually all of his "activity" here is disruptive and disrespectful of same 

the fukFaceB, puffHo, "social netwoeking" and "group think"/'read my blog' spammer types HERE on zH probably have no idea what i'm talkin about, tho.  they probably think oreo is not a pathetic loser, too... prob b/c he has "his own" blog?  L0L!!!

oreo is a troll;  as long as he exhibits "troll-like" spamming tendencies and has a website which requires an e-mail to comment upon, treat him like the P0S he is acting like, here, BiCheZ! 

if you don't know the difference between tylerD and orea, you don't know shit from shinola yourself

that's not meant for you, personally, t_1;  but for the readership, here;  i get what you're saying

trust me

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 12:29 | 2109823 Oh regional Indian
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You really are a pathetic little man Slewie.

In my circles I call you the Annoying Anonymouse Ankle-Biter. Thanks for the hate ;-)


Mon, 01/30/2012 - 13:10 | 2110023 Bananamerican
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it doesn't get much more pathetic than "arrogant 3rd world racist"...piss off you curry swilling swine...

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 14:00 | 2110219 CompassionateFascist
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Ori, the shooting will begin when ZOG goes into gun-grab mode. Soon enough.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 15:07 | 2110397 V in PA
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piss off you curry swilling swine...


I've always envisioned ORI as an American Indian. Guess I was wrong.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 14:37 | 2110322 slewie the pi-rat
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the last time you tried to tag me as a hater, a said i don't hate you ORI

but you may well be following a "script" here, as we can all, of course, see for ourselves.  again

i hate your spamming, that's all!  and i rilly, rilly dooo hate what you do to zeroHedge, you pathetic little asswipe!

that's all, really.  trolling unmercifully and "arranging" things off-site for others, here.  you don't think anyone sees this as "news" do you?

if you and your zH "friends" are not capable of grasping that "fact", does that make me an asshole?

you characterize me as an "ankle biter" AWAY FROM ZEROHEDGE?  L0L!!!  what a coward!

tell ya what toy-boy:  are you too much of a coward to accept the slewie challenge? 

i'll bet you are!  howzabout a deathMatchTM oreo? 

terms:  you either stop jumping the strings to spam the site OR you agree to let tyler choose between us, and toss one of us, forever [or whatever else he might choose to do to school a little BiCh like you, toy-boy]

whatcha gonna do?  huh?

no hurry, take your time and try thinking about what you're doing HERE for a change, ok?

you either behave here, roll the dice w/ slewie (& tyler) or pretend you're not a worthless, gutless coward while trying to avoid REALITY for another n-thousand trolling trips here


Mon, 01/30/2012 - 15:23 | 2110439 JOYFUL
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hey Slo-wit PeeRat- when yu get down from whatever trip yu be on of the moment,

a) let us know what was the drug of yur choice what took yu there; so as we can all avoid the same mistake....

b) call up yur friend, Vic Vinegar[wannabee mall cop] and DISCUSS together what it is that makes yu two conflate yur own deflationary\inflationary\STAGFUKKINFLATIONARIED egos with da Tyler(s), such that when yus is speakin outta yur ASSHOLES, yu self-absorbed ASSHATS think that yu are somehow speakin for ZH, the site, the admin, the collective membership, and everything and everybody other than yur own tired bullshit aggro "pathetic" "loser" [quote Slo-wit] script....

c) get a grip, an realize that this site is not yur personal pyscho-therapy venue....

d) c'mon back, an contribute in the spirit of fellow-feeling and concern for the greater good that the place is now known for, instead of launching a pre-emptive attack on some guy sitting in front of a computer in Bangalore....look on the bright least yu didn't sink as low as the fucktard banamerican....he musta bought real street shit.

e(dit);;;hey dood, there's a really kool new way of avoiding getting riled up by links that yu think may incite yu to anger:  JIT////just ignore them.....don't's that easy...

trust me!

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 15:53 | 2110519 slewie the pi-rat
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i'll accept you as his second

please inform him that his honor is at stake

and that i await his decision

thank you very much, J0_ul

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 16:16 | 2110662 JOYFUL
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Dood, given that you've already blown yur own brains out here today, it's already such thing as a rematch in dueling. All we can do is a forensic autopsy on yu

seriously though's just ORI's thing,  OK?

we all have our moments...c'mon back to earth's the dirty dirty lowdown!

we got bigger shit to deal with on the radar...gonna need all of us to get us thru. Shake n make up boys!

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 16:27 | 2110707 slewie the pi-rat
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wrong #


i've already pushed all-in

really, son

thanks, again

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 17:18 | 2110871 slewie the pi-rat
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i'm pretty black-&-white clear in the comment of mine you first "answered" and waaaay b4, too, btw, that we DO have more important shit to deal with than ori's spamming behavior

so, if HE would like to shake hands and get along, hopefully, he will start using the comment box at the bottom of the page for many of his "links", and we can do so

but that is his decision, how he proceeds here

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 15:26 | 2110452 Green Leader
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Slewie is fun, you just lack a good sense of humor.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 13:10 | 2110024 JOYFUL
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uh, what?  get yur hate on Bud!>!>?!? ...

trust you?

rilly? ...not till get yur meds on?>!?!

let us know what that episode was all about when ya do. It's gonna be OK dood. 


Mon, 01/30/2012 - 12:45 | 2109911 JOYFUL
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Tired1...yu be heard, loud n clear. If only we could all just 'distance ourselves' from the madness at hand: if only.

                 "DO something"

So, ORI has decided it's time to stir the pot huh? Maybe yes, maybe no, maybe better late than never, maybe none of us know.

 What Can any of us Do, but testify?!?!?

For two+ years now I've lived as a Christian amongst Muslims, conscious of my minority status at every moment, challenged by it but never scared, sometimes amazed at the amplitude of sympathy one finds amongst the much maligned 'other' for our western ways, for our fall from grace as  bearers of modernity, for our inequity as reincarnated Crusaders, following a script written in C13th Venice to be once again led by our collective noses against our brethern of the East in a [UN]"holy" war of terror solely for the profit of the moneychangers who deceive us then bereave us of our own dead kindred, inveigled into dying for their duplicitious purposes one. more. time.


Follow the thread, if thoust dare, of those Muslims who have made the opposite migration, occupying their places as Americans serving as soldiers amongst their Christian brothers in arms, sent to places close to their own homelands, to fight against co-religionists, yet never spared of the imputations of disloyalty, merely for being who they chose to be, a minority proud to be a part of a way of life that used to stand tall, because it represented a people proud of their refusal to live in chains. USED TO BE...  (I recommend this profile in particular) -/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=139:mahmoud-el-yousseph-technical-sergeant-air-national-guard&Itemid=174

 What Can any of us Do, but testify?!?!?

Some can do so with their own stories, others with their scholarship.I decided to live amongst my supposed enemies, in the aftermath of 9-11's watershed moment, just to find out directly what the truth might be. Blows my mind, I used to subscribe to Dhimmiwatch, and bought the whole "clash of civilizations" thing: what a difference a decade can make! I got that whole anti-Islam thing so deep in my haplogrouping that my ancestors fought with Don Pelayo back at Covadonga, and later died at Mieres&Oviedo in 34 fighting Franco's Morrocans. But yu gotta know when to stop believing yur own bullshit....that's the point we are at now collectively, as a "civilization''...bogeyman aínt nobody but our own sio-nazi shadow selves, the little tyrant in each of us what needs be toddy-trained an given a good edu-cation.  Fuck ZOG, fuck the puppeteers, let's all get outta this collective nightmare fore it has a chance to even start!

Dare to read some "history outsida the script written for yu by the cabbalist racial hegemonists whose vision of the future is the downfall of every damn one of us what was born of so called "aryan" dna, no matter whether we be currently masquerading as Frenchie\Anglo\Persian\Baltistani or Gujurat?  Here ya be!  -Two Faiths, One BannerWhen Muslims Marched with Christians across Europe's Battlegrounds by Ian Almond

I think that pretty much covers what I gotta say for now: cept for this - at this late point in the day(before Armageddon gets goin) I've pretty much run outta patience for perps like fukkin Freddie whose grand purpose in life is to fufill their sionists slavemasters wishes to have us all at each others' throats instead going after the real enemies amongst us.  Bring it on, Troll Boys!  I got a feeling I'm not the only one here's got better things to do than die for a bunch of dual-citizened kabbalist kohser kooks.



Mon, 01/30/2012 - 13:47 | 2110164 tj3
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Hey joyful (yeah, right) did you really need a wall of text to say; I hate jews and muslims.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 13:59 | 2110211 JOYFUL
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err, from which of the visible orifices of yur avatar did yu manage to spring that insightful commentary?  I sense that yu may have calligraphic talents not available to the common man! But sadly, from wherever yu have wielded yur brush, I fear yu have missed the thrust of what I was sayin...

by a cuntry mile. Mr Pyle. now smile...

from yur chosen orifice! : -) of course!

read much?!?!

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 14:08 | 2110246 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Bravo, my friend.


Mon, 01/30/2012 - 14:41 | 2110338 lincolnsteffens
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Thanks Joyful,  I hadn't heard of APAAM before.

Just wondering if you equate Jew with Zionist or have a separate opinion of each?

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 15:57 | 2110574 JOYFUL
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if you were to track my comments here, you would have your answer...but I can spare you the homework. 

Jews, in the sense of being an identifiable religious grouping, are victims of the sionist hegemonist cartel, just as much as Christians, Muslims, and the self-proclaimed atheist subset. However, as the group behind which the sionists have chosen to hide, they are particularly susceptible to the temptation to identify with their oppressors, and therefore to aid\shield them in their efforts to corrupt and confuse the target populations.  This is a particulary cute tactic on the part of the cabbalistic sionist because the more that Jews are called out for being willing abettors of the crimes of the cabbalistic black magicians of sion, the more they incline to clinging to their [false] identity....there are many wise "jews" however, who are unwilling to support those criminals, and increasingly, their voices are being heard above the static of the ZOG controlled media-corpro-state zogbie golem which runs amok throughout Euromerika at the present time, searching out opponents to it's masters' agenda.

sionists are sabbateans, a fringe group of messianic cabbalistic satanists who revel in the idea of retribution against all those who have impeded their search for dominance for the last 9 centuries. They are the real ones who 'hate you for your freedoms' a true half wit, Bush 43 always was half right in his ravings.

That's all I can put forward - please take the time to share your own insights into this complicated question - it's of the essence that we find a way to mend fences with all of our human community, and present a common front against those who would seek to divide us against ourselves.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:48 | 2109441 Rodolfito
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It's not primarily for oil, even though they certainly are an 'oil-e-Garchy'. It is all for one world government. This is what the 0.001% have been working at for 100s yrs. They know the collapse is coming soon, and they will proceed with war and depopulation, the moment it is upon us. It is a distraction, depopulation, and possible conquering of a country that may / may not be resisting globalism. I don't know about that because I feel Ahmadinejad may be a globalist himself and that this whole charade may be just a damn good production. IMHO.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 12:14 | 2109757 Panafrican Funk...
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It actually seems pretty normal to me.  Exponential discounting is our base modality, we actually have to actively fight our nature to not move forward with natural resource exploitation.  

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 13:57 | 2110199 CompassionateFascist
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It is the inevitable logic of all Empires: expand until collapse.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:42 | 2109220 blindfaith
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90.000 to leave the military this year.  And do what?  Pick tomatoes in Alabama?

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:05 | 2109232 GetZeeGold
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Here's a clue for you. Created or saved 90,000 jobs.....just like that.



Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:41 | 2109408 flyme
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Well - you never know when you might need em'.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 15:34 | 2110490 zerozulu
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Withinn a hundrerd years time kids in history class will learn about a superpower who was barbaric enough to kill And tourcher innocent humans for fun by showing them abu-gareb photos And there were ZHers who predicted it.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:15 | 2109321 pine_marten
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Where do you sign up? 

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:41 | 2109410 GeorgeHayduke
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"And do what?"

They will join the civilian police force right here in the good ol' US of A. Everybody knows you need battle-hardened cops on the street in our hometowns to keep the oligarchs safe from the sheople.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 13:45 | 2110151 connda
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"90.000 to leave the military this year.  And do what?"

Head back to thier inter-city gangs with 4 years of military experience and wait for the collapse?

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 20:42 | 2111365 mkkby
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Three great ships in a bottle.  That's what Hormuz is.  Missiles can be fired from shore in waves coming from 3 directions at once.  What if those are Russian or Chinese missiles, which have a good chance of hitting something?  What if a few nukes have been thrown in?  A good portion of the fleet can be wiped out at once.

Carriers should be deployed in open ocean where they are natually protected by the distance from shore.  Their planes can attack thousands of miles away.  There is no reason to put them in such a precarious position.  The US military is definitely NOT up on their sun tszu.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:35 | 2109198 4realmoney
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Ron Paul discusses State of the Union. Very interesting.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 13:43 | 2110148 Hugh G Rection
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Get yo popcorn ready.

Israel has all their goy toys lined up, ready to play war.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 21:41 | 2111506 Buck Johnson
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Three Carriers, this mean an attack is imminent for sure.  Because the resources for moving a Carrier and a task force at that is phenominal.  Especially with it not being in another part of the world to fight or act as defense.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:28 | 2109166 css1971
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It's on like Donkey Kong!

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 11:18 | 2109538 Sudden Debt
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Mon, 01/30/2012 - 12:08 | 2109735 tired1
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'The Russian Knights were coming back home after the aviation show in Bahrain and were escorted by Iranian fighter planes while flying over the territory of Iran'

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 16:54 | 2110811 optimator
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Those escorting F-4 Phantoms looked nice, and if you look close you'll see one or two F-14.  You know, the ones that can't be operational because they can't get parts (lol).

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:28 | 2109167 Sandy15
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WW3 in the making.......

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:36 | 2109201 blindfaith
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Lead USN not into temptation, but deliver USA from evil

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 12:46 | 2109917 tired1
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Cute, but what does that mean?

Can the USN seriously expect to launch on DC and not expect serious collateral damage?

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 14:13 | 2110263 TheFourthStooge-ing
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The regime in Vichy, D.C., is an occupational government.

Wars against occupiers will always involve collateral damage.


Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:29 | 2109168 mattu13048
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Armada Markets latest weekly market commentary said that they have been selling short crude oil call options. Which means they bet that nothing will happen to Iran. Given the current state of US and European economy only a moron would start a massive war.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:31 | 2109182 HungrySeagull
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Or one Sunburn Launchman with Carrier Fever and a gleam in the eyes showing religious fantasys beyond what the life on earth can provide.

It only takes one to start a war.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:41 | 2109216 knukles
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The "Chosen" One
Ah hah!
er, Al lah!

Oh neverthefuckmind

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:25 | 2109353 RiverRoad
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Interestingly enough, WW2 solved a world financial mess called the Depression.  War is the best excuse to ramp up the printing presses.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:39 | 2109406 wisefool
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Shussssh. Krugman is busy attacking the tax code re: Romney for the election campaign. Don't give him any reason to regress....

"The consciense of a liberal". I before E except after C or when you gotta raise money for war.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 11:43 | 2109623 Libertarian777
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People forget history. The civilian population's living standards decreased under WW2 as peoe had to sacrifice a lot for the war effort, so I wouldn't call that progress.

Also I guess if we draft 15 million unemployed, drop them off in Iran with small arms only, we'll rapidly solve the unemployment issue, just make sure all are heroes and none survive eh?

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 12:16 | 2109768 wisefool
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When I was young, I never understood why people value collectables/art/old books. There is an entire line of agricutural equipment manufactured from 1935-1950 that actually regressed in technology because the war machine commondeered things like copper and rubber. 

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 12:28 | 2109817 HungrySeagull
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CASE Steam works well enough, just keep sufficient water in it.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 11:56 | 2109679 tekhneek
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...only a moron...

We've got that covered.

Hold on to your britchez, bitchez.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 12:27 | 2109810 Justawhoaman
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That would be the moron-in-chief.  If he engages in enough of these wars, we will be out of conventional weapons.  Our drones are made of Chinese parts... surely our newer weapons are similarly constructed.  If we run out, voila.  We are Chinese laborers in one big motion.

Isn't that the part of the endgame?  By allowing the unions to run our business out of the country, eg. blowing Boeing out of the water, and selling our secrets to OTHER Communists, Omao has set us up for a big fail.  Not that we haven't allowed it... TARP, Squid, FMG, IMF, World Bank, UN, Agenda 21, and now carriers to the Middle East... meanwhile, 3000 Iraqis that we left behind are being set up for slaughter along with Christians throughout the Middle East... so absolutely no one can trust us to "help" them, anyway.  Three years and this POS has us at our knees.

Must make you (Democraps who voted for this regime) proud...

And don't give me the Alex Jones protege is the answer BS.  Too bad Allen West isn't running.  I think we could use someone man enough to hold a gun to the head of our captors and get us out of this mess.


Tue, 01/31/2012 - 05:11 | 2112097 Disenchanted
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Three years and this POS has us at our knees.

This mess we're in only started three years ago.



Have you ever read what our first President had to say about loyalty to political parties in his Farewell Address? Quote:

I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.


This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.


The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.


Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.


It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.


There is an opinion that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the government and serve to keep alive the spirit of liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in governments of a monarchical cast, patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.


Also of note, for those who conflate patriotism with blind support of militarism and war("support the troops!") he had this to say:


Hence, likewise, they will avoid the necessity of those overgrown military establishments which, under any form of government, are inauspicious to liberty, and which are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty.

I make no distincions between a Bush or Obama, nor a Clinton or a Reagan. None of them put the interests of We the People at the top of their list. Anyone thinking that electing a Republican or Democrat 'next time' is going to fix everything, is delusional.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 15:18 | 2110438 zerozulu
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Yes, only a moron would start a massive war

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:30 | 2109171 FubarNation
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Why are they sending the 8 nuclear reactor powered USS Enterprise which is due for decommision in 60 days?

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:31 | 2109178 VisualCSharp
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Because Jean Luc Picard wasn't quite ready to retire yet and decided to go rogue.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:59 | 2109265 Dugald
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Make it so Mr. Data.......

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 11:37 | 2109595 Financial_Guard...
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The Prime Directive:


Keep the oil flowing at all costs...

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 11:50 | 2109649 mick_richfield
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One command you really do not ever want to hear from the captain of an aircraft carrier:

"Make my depth five hundred feet."

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 11:55 | 2109670 mick_richfield
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Maybe the Enterprise will retire to the new US naval base planned for Qushm Island ?

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:33 | 2109186 HungrySeagull
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Because that rusted out old tub is older than most of us (50 years) and there must be signs of metal weakness everywhere on the ship.

At the moment, irrespective of the sitaution with the Big E, she is still needed one more time.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:45 | 2109226 Abitdodgie
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wow imagine if the 50 year old was to be sunk well that would get the support for the war that they need and its cheaper than dealing with old reactors, and it is someone else problem

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:38 | 2109403 tired1
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Is it insured by AIG? /sarc

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:50 | 2109242 Henry Hub
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She's need one more time to plant a false flag operation. Rather than decommission it, it's a lot cheaper to sink it off the coast of Iran and blame the Iranians. They're going to need something big to get Americans on side for another war. Israel wants Iran attacked and they control the U.S government. It's going to happen! Get long gold and oil.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:35 | 2109193 wisefool
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yeah, I read that memo too. but decomming that thing will probably create more jobs than the pipeline would.  So I am not sold on the conspiracy theory. And when I say jobs, I mean about 1000 "no-show/executive" for the donors, their families. 2,000 "no work" for the locals. and 50 people  who will actually do the planning and work.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:59 | 2109494 Ahmeexnal
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The Norfolk 50 who will risk their lives on those 50 year old reactors currently facing meltdown.

But instead it will be 50 million iRanians who will receive the poison.

Socialized cancer.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 13:49 | 2110175 Citxmech
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Yeah - but Dubai, Quatar, and Saudi Arabia are on the other side of the Straight too.  If I were SA and we sank our own 8-reactored carrier off their coast - I'd be pissed.

Anyone know if a desalinization plant can filter out radoactive particles?

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:36 | 2109202 Quinvarius
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Why did they park the Maine in Havana harbor?  These questions may never be answered.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 16:59 | 2110825 optimator
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Same reason the Lusitainia didn't zig-zag and reduced speed.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:03 | 2109268 blabam
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Wouldn't want to be a sailor on that ship lulz. 

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:15 | 2109319 kralizec
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22nd and final deployment after 50 years of service, that is why, a ships final deployment is often paraded around the world before they are put into mothballs.  Just enjoy her final deployment.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:28 | 2109365 Urban Roman
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Because Fukushima wasn't enough. The whole planet needs to be radioactive.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 11:59 | 2109687 tekhneek
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Don't forget the stupid atmosphere!

Remember all those neat exoatmospheric nuclear tests? All... 500+ of them?

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:48 | 2109440 silverbullion
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They're sending the USS Enterprise because they are in the business of false flag operations.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 13:40 | 2110141 V in PA
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Agreed. They wouldn't want to False Flag sink one of the newer ships. Let's see; Start WW3, and steal billions, with her or open a dry dock museum?

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 14:20 | 2110283 TheFourthStooge-ing
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FubarNation asked:

Why are they sending the 8 nuclear reactor powered USS Enterprise which is due for decommision in 60 days?

Because the Persian Gulf is the new Yucca Mountain, sinking is cheaper than decommissioning, and 4000 dead sailors don't use VA hospitals, collect benefits, or worry about pensions.


Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:36 | 2109177 lolmao500
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And the Enterprise is heading to the middle-east in March.

Panetta's trip to the Enterprise came as its strike group ran drills confronting a hostile, hypothetical nation named "Garnet." Panetta sat in the captain's chair as a fictitious enemy ship trailed the Enterprise, and spoke to a pilot as he attempted to land on the deck. After more training, the Enterprise will deploy in March and eventually head to the Gulf.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:54 | 2109243 knukles
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Just ya'll fucking watch....

Cheapest decomissioning under the heavens...
The hand of potentate Andiwannahandjob sinks the BigE in the Red Sea, the press and pols go fucking ApeShit, a new 9/11 is declared as the sovreign square acre of American Territory is obliterated in free international waters, massive loss of innocent life, the world's economy is becoming unhinged, teetering upon the precipice of the (bankers making tons of money) new Depression (where we already are, anyway, just renamed) and viol-fuckin-a, it's off to war.
Teach those anit-Christs (whole fucking country of 'em) to mess with Jesus... plus theys gots plenty of OIL (plays to the public) and a whole buncha GOLD (plays to the central bank master owners aka City of London) not intermingled witrh the BIS led Central Banking System (Oh the City gets 2 points!).
Cannot imagine that this is not one of those as U Kno Who wishes moments.
It's Gog and Megog, fire and brimstone, clarion calls....

From Chaos, Order

Que up the nominations for the Nobel Prizes.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 13:00 | 2109982 Panafrican Funk...
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"hostile, hypothetical nation named "Garnet.""

Garnet xenocrysts are abundant in the Mashhad mining area.  Mashhad is an important holy city in Iran as well as being a large population center (about 2.5 million people), and is home to Imam Reza's shrine, which is the largest mosque in the entire world.  This shrine just so happened to be the site of a 1994 bombing orchestrated by Ramzi Yousef, who just so happened to have also orchestrated the 1993 WTC bombing.  Naturally, he was funded almost entirely by the CIA's "Al Qaeda" program through his uncle, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.  

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:31 | 2109181 DionysusDevotee
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Well, I wonder how long they can hang out there before someone decides its too expensive to just be sitting on their hands?

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:33 | 2109189 HungrySeagull
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We have been "Hanging out" since World War two. With upwards of 15 of these battle groups.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:47 | 2109432 Badabing
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Longer than you think , in the old days, Rome paid the solders with gold today they gladly accept paper.  

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 12:02 | 2109708 mick_richfield
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Paid with gold?  What the heck unit were you in, Badabingus, the frikking Praetorians?

Try 2 ounces of silver a month, and that's before they started paying with silver-washed copper.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 12:29 | 2109821 Think for yourself
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Well, you are right, but to his defense the difference between gold and silver (finite) is much smaller than between silver and fiat (infinite).

And that's before even getting in discussions of gold to silver ratio parity... 

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 12:51 | 2109938 Badabing
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Thanks Think for Yourself

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:32 | 2109185 Quinvarius
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And it is all about banker ponzi maintenance in the end.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:52 | 2109468 Rodolfito
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In the end, it is all about one world government, and total dominion over all life and activity on this planet.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:34 | 2109187 JPM Hater001
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Your are on mad dash today Tyler.  Did you steal your kids Adderal or are things accelerating?

We're going to end up at war...arent we.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:56 | 2109485 Rodolfito
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Yes to all 3, things are speeding up, so Tyler needs the Adderal, and we're expanding the war on human freedom.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 12:18 | 2109776 Incubus
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We never have absolute freedom.


What we have is freedom to play by the rules of the game.  We'll never have the concept of "freedom" that Americans want to believe in, anyway.  As George Carlin said, we have the illusion of choice. 

All an act, all a play, all make believe; roleplay.  Delusion and tyranny of conditioning.



Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:34 | 2109192 Dr. Engali
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I just got a new flat screen. I hope this is a good Tv war , with lots of hi-def explosions. Life has become a little mundane and gas prices jumped 35 cents in one day. There is nothing that will distract me from my troubles like the bombing of.... Er ....I mean liberation of some Muslims from The heavy burden of their gold and oil.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:36 | 2109200 JPM Hater001
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All from the comfort of your living room or kitchen...

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:39 | 2109208 Dr. Engali
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Oh and please don't show any human casualties. I don't want my children to be disturbed by any graphic images. Just show lots of explosions and cool shots from our missiles, showing their pin point accuracy.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:49 | 2109238 RiverRoad
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Right.  Shock and awe 'em to death; that always goes best with the popcorn.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:56 | 2109256 mendolover
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Exactly!  And don't forget the DU birth defects!

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:27 | 2109360 knukles
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Industrial Light and Magic can get a gubamint contract (grease the palms of the Hollywood anti-war folks pre election) to aminate the birth defects real time as the bombs fall.
A new level of Pixelized Horror
Cannot tell where Reality Stops and entertainment Begins
Bread and Circuses

And whata fucking circus the media shall be.

Disgusting, even the thought...
But entirely gonna be Just What It Is.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:34 | 2109388 Zero Debt
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And no aerial shots on the ground after the bombings, that may reveal massive collateral damage. It is better to show televised speeches of the leaders proclaiming the "liberation" of Tehran.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 13:49 | 2110172 V in PA
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I am starting to 'get' why they didn't help / encourage the Iranian protestors. Blowing up Iran will have much better ratings and generate higher advertising dollars, with the added bonus of stealing all their shit.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 12:33 | 2109843 HungrySeagull
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Kicking in a door expecting a bad guy under the carpet, behind the phone, up the stairs and  sofa all at the same time.




Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:41 | 2109214 wisefool
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Dont forget, we'll also solve a bunch of oppression on women, remove some terrible dictator from a post the brits gave grandpa out of the blue in the 1950s, we'll make it less hot, and a new batch of hero children of the elite  will get combat stripes on their uniforms be serving in "specialized" units.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 13:39 | 2110138 HungrySeagull
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You remind us of one day we sat in front of ours in real time as the Marines waitied to resolve a building full of Iraqi fighters near a rail line.

Air strike took care of that.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:35 | 2109195 cossack55
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The third flat-top is needed to intercept Indian gold shipments.

BTW, when did the US start naming ships after still-breathing scumbags?

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:42 | 2109221 djsmps
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I'm surprised that Obama hasn't insisted that one be built with his name on it. Or maybe with a name like the USS Here's Your Appeasement.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:04 | 2109290 wisefool
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All snarkyness aside, you do realize that USS-Timmy would have never made it through confirmation unless 'Bammer put his who nut on him, right?

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 11:38 | 2109588 cranky-old-geezer
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USS Teleprompter

USS Obummer

Hey ...... USS Sotero !!!!!

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 12:34 | 2109849 HungrySeagull
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USS No oil ma!

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 13:23 | 2110085 vato poco
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USS Graceful Bow to Saudi King

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:39 | 2109206 lolmao500
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And of course...

Panetta: Iran is one year away from producing nuclear weapon
Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:58 | 2109261 Savvy
Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:03 | 2109285 GetZeeGold
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Even my dog knows that's bullshit.



Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:22 | 2109344 Savvy
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Maybe Panetta can send your dog to find their n-weapons program.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:33 | 2109386 GetZeeGold
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My dog takes them at their word......and refuses to relocate to Tel Aviv.




Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:59 | 2109271 RiverRoad
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Nuclear BALDERDASH.  No one is going to nuke anyone over there:  Look where the fallout would blow.  That's why Japan was such a nice convenient target.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:35 | 2109394 GetZeeGold
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No normal person.....but.....I would like to point out those mullahs are bat-shit crazy.



Mon, 01/30/2012 - 14:40 | 2110336 TheFourthStooge-ing
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The mullahs actually appear reasonable when you compare them to the bloodthirsty bastards in Vichy, DC, and their vampiric counterparts in Tel Aviv.


Mon, 01/30/2012 - 12:35 | 2109855 HungrySeagull
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They did make a comment about the recent bunker weapon that a tactical nuke might be required to removed the mountain first and follow up with the penetrating weapons.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:39 | 2109207 antidisestablis...
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Even a lowly mouse eventually learns not to bite into a piece of fake cheese. zzzzzzzzzz

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:40 | 2109209 Ben Probanke
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USS G Bush is doing pilot and crew qualification, it is not sailing to the AG.

USS Enterprise will sail to AG in March but USS Lincoln will sail back to the US East Coast and the two carriers will probably cross in the Suez.  USS Lincoln is on a "world tour" from US West Coast to US East Coast as need to go for maintenance on East Coast and cannot cross Panama. USS Lincoln is now parked in AG but will not stay when USS Enterprise makes it there.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:45 | 2109227 lolmao500
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What about the USS Eisenhower?

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:02 | 2109283 toomanyfakecons...
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The Eisenhower said to beware of the military-industrial complex and is sitting this one out...

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:19 | 2109332 kralizec
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She is surge ready, I would expect her to relieve the Vinson this summer.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:17 | 2109327 kralizec
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That is the likely scenario I see as well.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:45 | 2109425 slewie the pi-rat
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thxz, B_Pro

coincidentally, this is where oreo's spam would appear if he wasn't juming the string, pretending to "dialogue" to spam zH

sickening little asswipe of a troll

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:45 | 2109225 Dr. Engali
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I'm so sick of these fucking wars, but I'm even more disgusted with the Obummer backers who were so vocal about the wars but remain silent now. You are a bunch of fucking hypocrites , all of you and you deserve what's coming.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:01 | 2109276 toomanyfakecons...
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Tar and feathers... or something worse?

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:32 | 2109384 RiverRoad
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Worse, please.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 10:50 | 2109452 kridkrid
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You can be disgusted or you can sit in awe of what the system is capable of doing.  American's are played like a fiddle in the false divide created by American politics.  The real power in this country had no interest in winding down the war machine... in fact, had their eyes of an expanded operation.  But Americans had grown disenchanted with war.  What to do... what to do... run an anti-war hero, give him the Nobel prize... and carry on, with little opposition.  Brilliant.  

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 11:13 | 2109533 Rock the Casbah
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Then you're sick of living Dr. Engali.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 12:56 | 2109666 Dr. Engali
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That's a pretty dumb statement. No I love life, my family ,my neighbors and my friends. What I don't love is the bombing of people who have done nothing to harm us.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 11:21 | 2109547 krispkritter
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Ditto, however, we'd have probably ended up in the same situation regardless of who was 'selected' in 'O-great!, er, '08.  However I do fucking hate all the Obamapologists who keep popping up saying 'I never would have guessed...'. Revoke their voting priveleges for 10 years just for buying into that whole 'Hope and Change' slogan. Send them to Fukushima for cleanup duty, ship them to Afghanistan to push for growing wheat instead of poppies, make them wear t-shirts that say 'I'm with O-dumbass' on the front with an upward pointing arrow...etc.  Funny, where all the Obama signs were around the area I live in, there are now Ron Paul signs by the hundreds.  Very few Romney signs, zero Gingrich so far, no O-Bam-Got-You-Again signs so far. I think there would be retaliation if there were. I have a feeling I won't be voting at all this time around except for a write in candidate. I have a feeling NONE of us is going to deserve what's coming unless you're a banker/broker...

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 11:59 | 2109689 Dr. Engali
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I agree that both candidates would have followed the same path as it was already planned, just like Iraq and Afganistan. But it's the hypocrites that get under my skin.  

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:47 | 2109231 UTICA CLUB XX PURE

Yea, where ARE all the anti-war protesters? Invading Iran is just pathetic!!! Embarasing actually...

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:52 | 2109247 RiverRoad
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Anti-war protesters vaporized with the "volunteer" army, don't cha know.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:48 | 2109233 gookempucky
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Does anyone at the pentagon understand that large steel boats do not float if they get holes in them ?

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:55 | 2109254 RiverRoad
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All too well.  Just what we need to get it on.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:50 | 2109241 Catullus
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Iran allows the IAEA in to inspect all nuclear facilities.  Maybe they'll put out another report saying "we have no evidence to suggest they're building a nuclear weapon, but we have no evidence to suggest that they're not".  Then some insane neocon will say "the absense of evidence is the evidence of absense!  Kill them all!!!"

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:59 | 2109267 wisefool
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There is that, and then they could claim spy footage showing chuck norris in a Iranian uniform with a mind control collar, obviously against his will, but obviously a WMD. we call this "Krugman style!"

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 14:58 | 2110380 zerozulu
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No, IAEA report will be "We still are unable to find the evidance."

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:53 | 2109249 the not so migh...
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Two possable outcomes I see, Iran backs down with its tail between it legs, or Iran has got some big targets to try out those Russian/Chinese Hypersonic boat busting missles.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:53 | 2109250 ThisIsBob
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"There are not enough Indians in the world to defeat the 7th Calvary."

George Armstrong Custer

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 09:58 | 2109263 toomanyfakecons...
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It was later shown the indians were armed with over 40 different kinds of firearms... and a brace of supercavitating torpedoes.

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