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Three Out Of Four: Spain Joins Ireland, Portugal With A Gun To Its Head, Demanding Concessions

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Previously we noted that, just as expected, the weakest PIIGS - Portugal and Ireland - wasted no time to start rumblings about a "suddenly slowing economy" in the aftermath of the Greek bail out which achieved nothing but to delay contagion by 48 hours (we won't bother readers with the blow out in Italian bond yields any more), and to unleash demands by everyone else to get the same concessions, in essence pushing Europe into an even deeper hole, forcing Golum Van Rompuystiltskin to say he was only kidding about the 4-5x EFSF leverage: he really meant 45x. Confirming that the tsunami of demands has been unleashed is today's announcement from the Bank of Spain that not only was Q3 GDP flat (read: negative), but that the deficit target for the year would not be achieved. Google translated from Expansion: "The Bank of Spain says the Spanish economic growth was zero in the third quarter from the previous quarter and warns that there are significant risks that may prevent achieving the deficit target this year. The Bank of Spain said that the information available for the third quarter suggests that the pattern of decline shown in the previous quarter "would have continued in the middle months of the year, in an environment marked by the deepening crisis of sovereign debt euro area." Truly nobody could have seen this coming, yet it is odd how it was casually slipped in broader discussion three short days after the Greek bailout.

The Bank of Spain admitted that absent for that mysterious exporting force (somehow everyone in the world is exporting to someone: just who is importing?) the country would be in a recession:

The report said domestic demand would have experienced a further decline in the third quarter (with a GDP contribution of -0.8 percentage points from April to June period), reflecting the contraction of the components of public spending and the path still down in residential investment, while household consumption and business investment showed little progress.


Instead, "net exports remained a mainstay of the economy and increased its contribution to GDP growth (up 0.8 percentage points) due to the dynamism of exports of goods and tourism.

Yet what is more troubling for the country is that it has indicated it will miss deficit targets for the year: an event which will have implications on both its rating and the treatment of the ECB vis-a-vis the SMP's purchases of its bonds.

The deficit target at risk


"current trends indicate the existence of risk of occurrence of a deviation from the deficit target of 6% of GDP in 2011, as a result of weak tax collection and spending of inertia, mainly in the area of the CCAA, "says the Bank of Spain.


The agency explains that "the magnitude of the deviation is within the margins that can be corrected through proper management of budget implementation in the remainder of exercise."


In any case, "if the budget execution data in the coming months indicate the likelihood of these risks materialize, it would be necessary to adopt additional measures in line with the unconditional nature of the commitment by the Government in meeting the fiscal targets and the close scrutiny to which public finances are subject amid the current sovereign debt crisis ", defends the organization headed by Fernandez Ordonez.

And by additional measures, the country means incite further protest once more cuts are announced, which in turn will lead the country to demand debt cut concessions in order to appeas the "angry mob" in the process getting another rerun of Greece.

The only question we have now is: when will the 4 out of 4, Italy, finally make its anticipated appearance on the concessions-demanding bandwagon and tell Europe to take it or leave it... and but "it", we mean a 25%-50% haircut on its debt.


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Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:13 | 1829392 srsly-wtf
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Gap Down Bitchez....but it won't...

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:23 | 1829434 HedgeAccordingly
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DOLLAR new highs.. 

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:35 | 1829464 TruthInSunshine
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Off Topic and if you like The Bernank and despise Ron Paul (yes, you would meet the DSM criteria for sociopath, if so), look away:


10-31 14:59: The Fed failed to fully document authority to rescue AIG (AIG)


But hey - it's all good; Goldman, JPM, Barclays, HSBC, Buffet/Munger, and many, many others with CDS winning bets against the derivative department of that world renowned insurance giant, AIG, all GOTS PAID IN FULL, courtesy of the U.S. Taxpayer (i.e. forced, involuntary bloodletting to the tune of 202 billion - just for AIG - and counting).

The Federal Reserve Bank, under the tutelage of The Bernank, William 'iPad2 is delicious' Dudley, and Brian 'Charity Unto JPM & Goldman' Sack (not to mention current Treasurer of the U.S. and former head of the NY Branch of the Federal Reserve) - corruption like we've never seen before, bitchez.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:37 | 1829495 Canuckistan Al
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I dont know about you, but I sure would like to kick Goldman in the Sack.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 16:24 | 1829671 Miss Expectations
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Hell's bells, more paperwork issues?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:29 | 1829453 Stoploss
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But, but, Robotard said the market would grind higher!!@#!%$^*

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:31 | 1829460 Beastmanager
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Gap?? You mean ZARA?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:36 | 1829463 slewie the pi-rat
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good to see you posting, srsly, wtf?

and, you have the macro- & micro-economic terminology down well, already! +++  maybe an avatar?  wtf pics - Google Search:  that freaking cat looks adequately pi-rat-ical to moi!

the R2K held on pretty well this morning but is starting to break down a bit, now, but if these down-day markets were any more orderly, sedate, and proper, i'd hafta take a shower and put some clothes on, BiCheZ!


Mon, 10/31/2011 - 19:52 | 1830126 Buck Johnson
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It's all falling apart before it really even started.  If Greece gets a 50% cut, WE want a 50% cut.  LOLOLOLOLO, this is just getting better and better.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 21:02 | 1830298 philipat
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Who cares. Let the PIIGS fail and the French Banks fail. Let them sort out their own problems so the rest of us can move on.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:15 | 1829395 JenkinsLane
Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:15 | 1829397 Me XMan
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Wow! Spain?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:55 | 1829569 kaiserhoff
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But, but, but, the fat lady said we had to make sure this didn't happen.

You mean there is no free lunch? 


Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:15 | 1829398 Dick Darlington
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I really really wonder where does Spain reap these "growth" figures from... Busting real estate bubble, insolvent banking sector, 22% unemployment, 48% unemployment among the people under 25 yrs old etc etc. Would really like to see updated version of the analysis made and revealed by the "anonymous blogger" abt yr or so ago.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:26 | 1829444 Alvaro de Esteban
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Don´t forget we, in Spain, have some of the best cooks (food, facts & figures) in the world.

And we can do it by ourselves without hiring GS

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:41 | 1829522 Richard Chesler
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Sure. but can you make chorizo de pigman???

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 16:31 | 1829697 Use of Weapons
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Its made of donkey, so there's room for some of the MF crew in there.


Mon, 10/31/2011 - 21:05 | 1830302 philipat
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That's why even Adrian failed and is now trying to sell hamburgers?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 16:03 | 1829598 jm
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Big mistake is looking at governent debt to GDP as opposed to trying to estimate total debt to GDP ratios, although such estimates are hard.  Anyway you slice it a big chunk is coming on the government balance sheet.

There is, I suppose, a place for factoring in general citizen willingness to pay and sacrifice for certain advantages.  DV01 trumps these concerns.  In fact, credit risk itself is closely tied to interest rate risk here.

While there may be a hard floor on Spanish real estate due to German and UK bids, this floor is cyclical and correlated to home country GDP.

Don't expect to hedge fixed income in this space.  The political calculus skews determination.

Don't expect the ECB to act decisively even when they understand the risks.  They will remain inactive until it is too late and contagion makes the situation impossible.


Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:15 | 1829399 GeneMarchbanks
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Who could've seen such events? Well played... your move Merkozy...

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:15 | 1829400 beastie
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a graphic from blazing saddles with the black guy with a gun to his own head would be appropriate here.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:29 | 1829454 s2man
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Yep.  No body move, or the Spaniard gets it.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:40 | 1829516 Canuckistan Al
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Headline should read: Barber of Saville requests haircut!

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:16 | 1829401 The Axe
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Is Halloween the new Christmas eve...cause this volume sucks worse then a rotten apple in the old Halloween bag...Did very trader in this market work at MF Global....?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:39 | 1829502 Temporalist
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Pay no attention to the razor blade...

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:16 | 1829402 Vincent Vega
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Bwahaaaaaaaa! Awaiting ISDA to issue a statement declaring soverign bankruptcies to NOT be credit events. Bwahaaaaaa!

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:21 | 1829427 JenkinsLane
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Reality is what the ISDA say it is. Are you sure you want to say that Jim? 


Now, on face value I appreciate the graph looks terrible. However, if you transpose the axes and turn it 90 degrees - bingo, that's much better!

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:17 | 1829406 israhole
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I read it first at Zero Hedge.   Thanks, TD.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:58 | 1829408 bigdumbnugly
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timmah geithner looking stylish sporting what appears to be a 50% haircut.

so why not the piigs?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:17 | 1829412 Sequitur
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Someone please track delivery of the OfficeMax printer/toner cartridges to the ECB.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:21 | 1829424 SeverinSlade
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Rumors swirling that the ECB is in talks to buy OfficeMax's printer/toner division.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:50 | 1829544 Troll Magnet
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Shit...I've been long Kinko's in anticipation of this.  Guess I'll just rely on my physical stash of weed to get me through this transitory phase.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 16:06 | 1829614 topcallingtroll
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I hope you have a really big stash.

Maybe collapsaholics ought to think about drugs post collapse. Some quality marijuana seeds ought to be put in storage.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:18 | 1829415 spekulatn
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Paging Dr. Bass.

Dr. Kyle Bass!!

Your next patient is here to see you.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 16:09 | 1829625 kaiserhoff
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Doc Kerkorian?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:20 | 1829416 SeverinSlade
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I really hope everyone took Jim Cramer's advice on Friday.  EVERYONE should be piling into equities here, because Hedge funds will put firm floor in the markets...

But that's assuming that anyone that listens to Jim Cramer has any capital left after buying into Lehman the day before it went under.  That NFLX buy at what, $135 was pretty profitable too...right?....RIGHT?!

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 17:47 | 1829845 YesWeKahn
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Jim Cramer will tell you that he told everyone to sell during Friday AH session.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:45 | 1829959 Ronaldo
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And Cramer says, "There is always a Bull Market Somewhere"!  Maybe in Pamplona dipthong!

At one time I thought I should listen to hear what he had to say.  Now I am glad that I listened before believing his drivel.


Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:19 | 1829417 Manthong
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We need to keep the stuper going.. mix up another bucket of Sangria, and don't hold back on the Everclear!

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:20 | 1829420 lolmao500
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If Spain doesn't like it, they can leave the euro.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:20 | 1829421 Cdad
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...all while the long bond goes totally apeshit nuts.  I there any "risk off" signal NOT present in today's session?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:31 | 1829465 Cdad
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Any second now, a BlowHorn [CNBC] reporterette shall report that capital inflows into treasuries indicates capital outflows from marked to fantasy equities...because they always report the reverse effect.

Any second now...the BlowHorn will show that it has even a fraction of an ounce of integrity left.  

Holding.  My.  Breath.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:34 | 1829475 Cdad
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Ooops...Bob "the cheerleader" Pisani passes on the opportunity to explain it to the waitinig public.  I am becoming concerned that Bob actually does not have enough brain stem activity left to drive vital organ functions.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 16:08 | 1829621 Piranhanoia
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They can't do anything because Corzine owes them $800K plus for "soivices rendered"   Did MF advertise on CNBS or was it payola?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 16:41 | 1829727 Cdad
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Good question.  Don't know.  I pay no attention to adverts...especially financial services adverts.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:24 | 1829425 Eireann go Brach
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The Irishman who uttered the now famous "Wankin fuckin Bankers" rant on Youtube deserves another view as a reminder of how the average folks in Ireland really feel..please EU sir, may we have our 50% haircut handout please LOL!

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:21 | 1829426 SheepDog-One
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Great reporting Tyler. Only place around laying out whats really going on.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:22 | 1829433 Sequitur
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Yes ZH is on fire today.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:28 | 1829450 Hippocratic Oaf
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Mon, 10/31/2011 - 16:16 | 1829649 SeverinSlade
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"Yes ZH is on fire everyFUCKINGday."

There, I fixed it for you.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:21 | 1829428 Jiggy
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"that absent for that mysterious exporting force"

I think this is code... Spain is counting the export of Euros as GDP positive. Its the latest thing in accounting for debt ridden countries

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:22 | 1829431 Joebloinvestor
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Wait till France jumps on the bandwagon.

A 50% haircut for all its' creditors?


Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:53 | 1829558 falak pema
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UK will require 90%

and USA 100%...then we'll know how to configure the new western world. Like a people's autocracy. Utopy on ice, anarchy on vice, kleptocracy on dice.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:22 | 1829435 monopoly
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How could anyone or any entity have known this. How is this possible. Another country sounds the alarm bell. I never would have guessed any of this. I thought Greece would be the first and last. 

How simple of me. My goodness.



Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:24 | 1829437 Lower Class Elite
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Isn't it about time for another convenient "geopolitical event"?  What's old Kim Jong Achmidinejidadeedah up to these days?


Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:30 | 1829459 Piranhanoia
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think the dip from NK passed the family business to his idiot son due to his syphillis getting in the way of cognition, and 1/3 of the population is dying of starvation going into winter.

the reactionary from Iran is in the shits with everyone now, and has been told to shut up if there isn't a script. And they have forced him to take long acting tranqs that make him dizzy,  dizzier.

but that's just a guess.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:33 | 1829472 eatthebanksters
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you mean Kims Dong Ill and Achmed Nutjob?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:39 | 1829505 JenkinsLane
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ronry and I'm a dinner jacket

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 16:10 | 1829632 Saxxon
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My thought as well.  What alternative do they have?  How do you sell Hardship to the angry, roiling mass?


Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:24 | 1829438 firstdivision
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...and the only people surprised are Merkel and Sarkozy.


China is defo not going to be helping out Europe now.  1100 by open tomorrow...

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:48 | 1829537 scatterbrains
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1st Mar Div?  How's things in Hollywood ?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:24 | 1829440 lolmao500
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What will be fun to watch is when the US asks for a haircut on their debt.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:30 | 1829456 Beastmanager
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When is the Chinese Halloween day?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:31 | 1829462 Sudden Debt
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Think more Western style: SCALP THAT DEBT!


Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:26 | 1829447 Piranhanoia
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Does it surprise anyone that these ancient nation states are telling the Eu to go iceland themselves?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 16:19 | 1829449 Mercury
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Now that the wolf appears to be handing out needs-based goodies, this is the version of  The Three Little Pigs where each pig fashions his house out of material weaker than the last...

Tue, 11/01/2011 - 10:42 | 1832204 TruthHunter
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version of  The Three Little Pigs where each pig fashions his house out of material weaker than the last...


And the wolf dies from contaminated bacon?

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:28 | 1829451 earleflorida
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just-in-time "5 year internal plan" gets adopted on the fast track in china,... look-out below

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:29 | 1829452 Eurodollar
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Spain is in such a weak position that it looks fairly certain it will aim for debt haircuts and then leaving the euro to devaluate the living Sh** out of its own pesetas. With unemployment @ 21.5% and youth unemployment so high that wherever I go in Europe I see spanish youth applying for jobs it is not easy to get back into the game when production is low. There isn't room for everyone in the olive fields.


As I posted earlier, this bodes well for mansions in Spain and sangria in the sun. Property mayhem ahead!!! The marked to pink unicorns repossessed properties on spanish bank balance sheets are heading for very deep water with a oxygen tank holding seconds worth of breath. Watch this sector crumble and put many a bank in problems. Not only are the properties them selves useless, but a lot of SCAM marked to market (lol) land is going to be busted too. As if that isn't enough the developers of Spain will more or less all become a thing of yesteryear. The multi billion sum they owe banks are only kept up on hope of better times and to maintain the unicorn marked values of bank balance sheets.


Italy, will try to remain in the euro I believe. They have quite a bit of output potential to put it bluntly. They will however have to take some struggles far and to the extreme to remain a euro candidate. Austerity must kick in, and it will hurt. They got to do something fast before the cost of borrowing becomes so high that they can't go to the market. If they start failing on their plans, and they are not forced to keep the pace I am afraid the ECB and the EFSF won't have enough firepower to keep them afloat. Should that happen we have lost France. Then the contagion ball is well planted in Versailles and it is time to head on a very long vacation. Much more action is needed in Italy than the raised pension age by way to late. I have been critical of mr Berlusconi before in my posts, but no matter how much bunga bunga (and quite frankly; we all would do the same I believe) he is a statesman. If he keeps this up, he will go down (ehrm, no immoral intended) in history as one of the greats.

Lets hope the world remains a wonderful place

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:30 | 1829457 lieutenantjohnchard
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gold: when you absolutely refuse to be conned.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:39 | 1829512 Long-John-Silver
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It's still on sale today. Get your physical Silver and Gold while you can still buy the stuff and have it delivered to your hot little hands.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:44 | 1829526 lieutenantjohnchard
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correctamundo. got a pocketful today for gits and shiggles.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:32 | 1829466 Sudden Debt
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Mon, 10/31/2011 - 16:29 | 1829690 plantigrade
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don't forget little Belgium

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:44 | 1829484 Beastmanager
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Spain is belly up, the sooner they leave the Euro the better, but now they will try to get a haircut before leaving the euro. I guess greece will pioneer that strategy.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:36 | 1829488 Temporalist
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"Baby we can talk all night.  But that ain't getting us nowhere."

"Now don't be sad...two out of three ain't bad.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 18:51 | 1829983 Ronaldo
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Gotta like the "MEATLOAF"!

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:37 | 1829492 Long-John-Silver
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This situation reminds me of the the new sheriff scene from blazing saddles when he threatens to shoot himself.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:37 | 1829494 phraseshifter
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the PIIGS "Barbershop Quartet"has two openings,please submit recommendations:

  1.Sweeny Todd                                                                                                                                                  

  2.Barber of Seville                                                                                                             




Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:39 | 1829507 Trader47
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1st time here, and what a nice bunch of people we have here,, All Heads up

Just back from (Algarve)Portugal,, lived there for 6 years, moved back to the UK due to family health issues in 2010,,, Portuguese are the most friendly people in whole of Europe, apart from the odd misery, they dont deserve this

Here is an eye opener from the real state of the economy there,,,,,,,,,Crashhhhhhhhhhh,, only a matter of time, what a shame?

Been in property business in Algarve for long time,,,, (main job, Precious Metals dealer in London), property sales in Algarve down big time this year ,,especialy after July,,,(mind you I sold 1 Apartment , same price as I paid in 2004!!!)Thank you BOE for debauching the GBP)

PIIGS,UK,US, and the rest heading STRAIGHT to >>>

Buy GOLD,,, Short Equities




Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:41 | 1829519 Kokulakai
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G-Pap's call for a referendum hints at buyers remorse.

Perhaps this is a deal one can't accept.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:50 | 1829540 falak pema
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Euro corpocracy in the making...all nation states down on their knees...The welfare corporate state comes to Europe fifty years after the USA.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:55 | 1829566 Zodiac
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They don't call them "most favoured nation" clauses for nothing!  Everybody wants the same, best deal.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 16:01 | 1829591 topcallingtroll
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Maybe the sky is falling.

Spain and Ireland will not achieve deficit targets. They just told the german league "fuck off, you krauts are going to subsidize us too."

Oh how it must hurt to be northern european right now and realize the cost of union is permanent subsidy.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 16:12 | 1829641 topcallingtroll
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Oh shit.....note to self.

Cdad was right....all the risk off signals are in place except....except.....the troll is long and manic versus long and scared. Yup all risk off signs point to downleg.

I am getting out of stocks at the open tomorrow.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 16:03 | 1829604 prophet
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Forgive. Confiscate. Adjust.


All but twenty countires will be seeking concessions.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 16:35 | 1829702 Jeremy Roenick
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I'm thinking of the whole sherriff with the gun to his head scene from Blazing Saddles....  But that's just me....



Mon, 10/31/2011 - 16:42 | 1829721 Use of Weapons
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Ok, 'serious' post here:

Santander was rated in the top #5 of stable banks recently [on ZH - and yes, we all know that Dexia was AAA as well, although clearly showed stress signs] and not withstanding the housing bubble that is yet to burst [10-15% loss when 40-50% is more accurate]. So, what are the real Spanish players looking at? If you had holdings in Santander what are the chances of a mass domino of the entire national banking scheme? At least nine of the lower branches of banks are looking extremely flakey, however the 'big boys' have maintained relative stability - and are (of course) multinationals to boot. Or rather, Santander holds serious positions in UK & Euro energy etc etc.


Or, in a less polite terms: if you're holding $10 mil in Santander, what's the real impact? I'm looking at this austerity refusal as "no shit Sherlock", but I'm thinking it is time to pull entirely out of Europe. And the States. And China. That leaves only a single block singing through this debacle, and they're wolves.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 16:51 | 1829754 Restcase
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Spain has done a good job keeping out of the headlines in the recent past, leaving them to Italy.

Spain: Prefers a bailout but can ultimately leave the zone if necessary.

Italy: Can't leave the zone, can't receive a large enough bailout to make any difference.

More downgrades coming. More fast-talking Eurocrats warming up in the BS bullpen. 

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 17:01 | 1829772 Yellowhoard
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Wow. Et tu Spain?

I never saw that one coming. I thought with all of those billions spent on Windmill Power they'd be living like the fucking Jetsons by now.

Certainly not teetering on the edge of anarchy and financial collapse.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 17:05 | 1829779 DutchR
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Hahahaha, you can't make this up: "Greek PM calls referendum on new EU aid deal", We trust citizens, we believe in their judgment, we believe in their decision," he told ruling socialist party deputies.

Party on......



Mon, 10/31/2011 - 17:38 | 1829834 Strider52
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Somebody just opened the Shit-Barrel, and it's dangerously close to the fan.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 17:50 | 1829852 pamriallc
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did someone say "buffet monger?"

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 20:46 | 1830266 GCT
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Really what did the idiotic politicians expect.  Give one country a sweet dael and blow off the rest is not going to happen.  They are all now on the pig trails to the same sweet deals.  But Greece may just blow off the deal and go Iceland on them.  This is better then watching our idiot politicians debate issues!

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