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Three US Aircraft Carriers Now In The Middle East With Fourth En Route

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A week ago we reported news that Middle East veteran aircraft carrier CVN-74 Stennis was ending its brief sabbatical prematurely, and far earlier than previously expected, and heading right back into the field, er sea, of action. As Kitsapsun reported, "Bremerton-based aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis is returning to the Middle East much sooner than expected. The Navy hasn't officially announced the new deployment plan for the Stennis, said spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Zach Harrell." The ship came home to Naval Base Kitsap on March 2 after seven months of launching planes into Iraq and Afghanistan. Generally, it wouldn't go back to the Fifth Fleet area of responsibility for four to five years, after a deployment to the Western Pacific and a maintenance period. But with Iran making threats, crew members learned Saturday they'll be leaving again in late August for eight months." We concluded that shortly, Stennis will be the third carrier accompanying Lincoln and Enterprise. As it turns out, a third carrier was already en route, and as of today, CVN 69 Eisenhower is either at the opening of the Straits of Hormuz, or just past it. That makes 3 aircraft carriers in the middle east, 2 in the Gulf and the Arabian Sea and one just off the coast of Syria. And technically, the LHD 7 Iwo Jima Big Deck Amphibious ship, which is also just off the coast of Iran region, makes three and a half. Which means that a 5th one (rounded up) - Stennis - is coming in 1-2 months. Good luck Iran.

Source: Stratfor

So to recap: Four US aircraft carriers. One big deck amphibious warfare ship. One Iran. WTI well below its 2012 highs even with Bernanke having engaged in yet another flow-boosting Qualitative Easing operation. And One presidential election in 4 months.


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Wed, 07/18/2012 - 19:45 | 2630136 FieldingMellish
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One war winds down... sort of...

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 19:49 | 2630148 ZeroSpread
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The game's name is Global Chess, my friend. 

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 19:54 | 2630157 Michael
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I heard it wasn't Iran who set off the bus bomb today on Israelis. And now this; John Brennan, Man Who Stripped In Front Of TSA, Found Not Guilty

PORTLAND, Ore. — An Oregon man who stripped nude at Portland's airport security to protest what he saw as invasive measures was found not guilty of indecent exposure.

Multnomah County Circuit Court Judge David Rees ruled Wednesday that Brennan's act was one of protest and therefore, protected speech.

Multnomah County Deputy District Attorney Joel Petersen argued that Brennan's strip-down was an act of indecent exposure.

"I was aware of the irony of removing my clothes to protect my privacy," Brennan said from the witness stand on Wednesday.

On April 17, Brennan arrived at the airport intending to take a business trip to San Jose, Calif. He works with groups in Silicon Valley and flies out of Portland International Airport about once a month.

When he reached the gate, he declined to go through the airport's body scanners, instead choosing the alternative metal detector and body pat-down. After the pat-down, Transportation Security Administration officer Steven Van Gordon detected nitrates on the gloves he used to check Brennan.

"For me, time slowed down," Brennan said. "I thought about nitrates and I thought about the Oklahoma City bombing."

Brennan said before his trial that after months of angst every time he went through security, the nitrate detection was the final straw for him, a wordless accusation that he was a terrorist.

So he took off all his clothes.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 19:59 | 2630172 Tippoo Sultan
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"Four US aircraft carriers. One big deck amphibious warfare ship..."

...And no urinals.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:04 | 2630187 RichardP
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Yes.  The urals are still in Russia.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:21 | 2630240 Precious
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Yippee.  Speech is free.  Healthcare insurance on the other hand will cost you $20000 year.  Thanks Barry.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 21:09 | 2630367 nmewn
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"You have to pass it, to find out whats in it."-Nana

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 21:33 | 2630426 Spirit Of Truth
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All the chess pieces are in place for the final checkmate move:

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 22:19 | 2630548 sullymandias
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Stennis? I thought he was at Dragonstone preparing an army and navy to attack King's Landing.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 22:45 | 2630604 dark pools of soros
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watch out for that wildfire...

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 00:20 | 2630783 Oh regional Indian
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The middle east has been carefully constructed, via all the death-dealing tools of so called state-craft, into the other ring of fire.

Or is it, in a dis-armingly disgusting word-play, the Arc of Discontent?

Either way, it's primed. And the number of places where th efuse can be lit? Two hands, 10 fingers would not make the count.

Did you hear that Taiwan "FINALLY" pointed it's first missiles towards China? Phew! I'm sure Hillary is breathing a sigh of relief (or cackling, whatever). And the Young Gun son of Kim Il Sung is FINALLy the Supreme Marshal of North Korea? 

Puppets in place: Check

Gunpoweder dry : check

The fireworks though, they'll begin only after the "harmony" games (another cruel twist of words) in misssile and camera and "secuity" ridden london.

We need a good slice of luck or other something to get by the next 45 days without it all going to Hell in a H.



Thu, 07/19/2012 - 00:34 | 2630802 john39
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maybe hell is precisely where (most of) it needs to go...

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 01:16 | 2630847 Oh regional Indian
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perhaps it is time john39...

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 01:46 | 2630866 Spirit Of Truth
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Guess what? Looks like hat reported bombing in Damascus that killed three key figures in Bashar Assad's inner circle never actually occurred.  This time, however, the BBC took note and has reported on it:

Jeepers you folk are gullible idiots.  Too bad it will ultimately get us all killed...

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 07:11 | 2631029 Benjamin Glutton
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Bulgarian bomber had an American I.D. and looked like a US citizen. Interesting.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 03:13 | 2630914 merizobeach
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"Did you hear that Taiwan "FINALLY" pointed it's first missiles towards China?"

Dude, I know you like metaphors and "word-play", as you put it, but sometimes I don't understand it.  Like just now: in the line I've quoted, what are you talking about?  It is common knowledge that Taiwan's military is rapidly progressively underwhelming in comparison to China's, as you alude to with mention of "Hillary...cackling", but in terms of history, Taiwan has been developing indigenous missile and fighter aircraft systems for decades.  The national defense budget in Taiwan has been sustained above US$10 billion annually--nearly 3% of GDP, ranking about 50th worldwide by that measure; so it can't really be said that they're not making an effort.  There ought to be a hundred and change supersonic anti-carrier missiles deployed in the Taiwanese navy this year, including on their dozen new, speedy stealth cruisers.  That said, of course, to fight is still to lose.  If there is a sudden armed-conflict here, you may be able to look forward to a dramatic decline in posts by merizobeach.  ;-)

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 03:25 | 2630922 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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anyone notice just how much oil these ships burn just...going to get some more oil in the ME? It's kind of like the ticket taker at the parking lot. If they didn't have to pay him, the parking would be free.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 06:53 | 2631034 negative rates
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He lost me where it was supposed to be lake of fire, not ring of fire.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 22:58 | 2630630 Lore
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Good grief.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 03:26 | 2630923 merizobeach
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Your blog is an example of the price society must pay for enjoying freedom of expression.

To forcibly silence you through censorship would be hypocritical; we are left with only the hope of two golf-clap options: that you may step on a rake and the handle could knock some sense into you, or that someone might nudge you in the direction of an on-coming bus.

I can assure you that, here, the first time I've opened your blog, will also be the last.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 21:24 | 2630403 laomei
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Speech is free*



*at participating locations at specified times and only if you are saying something agreeable

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 21:48 | 2630464 DaveyJones
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This offer may not be combined with any other promotion, coupon, constitutional or statutory right. Employees of the Speech Corporation or any of its affiliates may not participate. This offer expires on November 4, 2012. The Speech Corporation reserves its right to revoke or modify this offer at any time or under any national emergency, executive order, fiscal constraint, or Judeo Christian holiday. Thank you for playing       

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 21:50 | 2630470 Jena
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Do not fold, spindle or mutilate.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 23:08 | 2630651 HungrySeagull
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No reproduction, broadcasting or blogging allowed.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:09 | 2630204 Manthong
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No No.. Those carriers still have urinals (you knew that)..

But their pipes clog up a lot because of the tons of dip all the sailors do.

Oh, and how many heartbeats would it take to get the Stennis in theater if they stepped on the gas.. er, nukes.


Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:41 | 2630280 knukles
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Yeah, urinals.

In the name of "equality, justice and fraternity" and some such like shit, the Navy has announced that the "New Generation of Carriers" will not have urinals.

Stop and think about that.
A Bazillion sailors and Marines with no urinals

Every fucking person, male and female, is now going to sit down on a piss soaked commodes.
Like I'm want to do to piss aggravating female golfers off is to use the lady's room, put the seat down, stand on it to piss leaving dirty shoe prints so they'll think it an Asia person did it (we get a lot of them on holidays out here) piss all over the seat, leave it wet and then put it back up.

Makes all the sense in the world.
And we're supposed to be the shining light upon the hill.



Wed, 07/18/2012 - 21:34 | 2630429 hardcleareye
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When you are at sea the the boat is healing 30 deg (or god forbid in a destroyer were you are rolling), you are NOT going to be aiming your dick successfully into the urinal.....  All the guys I have sailed with offshore sit to take a piss or the go to the lee side of boat (and hope they don't fall off holding onto their dick)....  a bathroom floor soaked with piss and vomit is really gross......

It ain't about a "ladies room"......

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 22:19 | 2630547 bonderøven-farm ass
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Strange thing these modern 'pussified squids' you speak of.  Never in my entire time in the USN have I heard of a 'MAN' sittin' to piss.  

It's clear you haven't seen spent a day on a real vessel......First, it's a SHIP not a fucking 'boat'....Second, ships don't 'heal' they KEEL.  Third, urinals take up less space & provide LESS vertical clearence than a toilet......

Of course, if you'd done anytime on a ship you'd know this.......




Wed, 07/18/2012 - 22:59 | 2630633 Lore
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REAL men lift the lid.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 02:01 | 2630874 knukles
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Methinks he's of the sailor ilk off the Hamptons with Lloyd and Jon on weekends, maybe?  Bet they sit.


Thu, 07/19/2012 - 02:04 | 2630879 knukles
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I said carrier, son.
Don't heal worth a piss.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 22:01 | 2630492 DaveyJones
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Those carriers are themselves large grey colored urinals flushing (our) democracy cakes and (their) body waste down the four corner pipes of the world  

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 00:24 | 2630786 Oh regional Indian
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Strange but accurate portrayal there Davey.

Who's going to be in your locker soon? Curious times...


Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:43 | 2634235 DaveyJones
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gracias, I sorta like the concept of urinal democracy cakes. Maybe we could manufacture them and sell them in all THE OTHER countries. Then, like Mel in History of the World CH1, they could all offer up (or is that down) their critical input. 

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 16:48 | 2633637 TimmyB
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Funny, I don't have a urinal in my house, yet I still stand to take a piss.  You don't really need to sit on a toilet to piss, do you?   

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 23:11 | 2630658 HungrySeagull
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No one really knows the true top end of these Carriers. Apparently they can go from Zero to omg in less than a minute or two.

But in a 24 hour period, they should cover at least 800 Nautical Miles or more making it very tough for the enemy to find the goddamn carriers.

We are dominant in the arena of high speed machinery.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 21:23 | 2630400 Randall Cabot
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Here's a rapture bunny's take on things:

"The overall engagement strategy here is to entice the American military into pledging huge naval assets in the gulf region. The Straits of Hormuz is the "choke point" for all things challenging to Iran. It is here that the Iranian Navy and Air Force will have their greatest chance to inflict REAL damage on our (perversion embracing) armed forces. This is a real point of smack down for the Muslims to bring utter destruction on the American military, the American armed forces, and the American people (infidel society)."


Wed, 07/18/2012 - 23:36 | 2630715 ironsky
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That is hilarious.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 00:36 | 2630803 john39
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you have to try to be that stupid.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 03:46 | 2630929 torak
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Obummer and friends turn on the MSM propaganda machine looking for a pre-election "Osama-type" moment?  Watch the news hype in the next two months.  The TOTUS is obviously expecting to win big with the backing of the too-dumb-to-understand voters.

Long Brent and WTI.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:08 | 2630201 TruthInSunshine
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Little victories such as this give me some hope that the battle isn't lost yet.  If 12 (or 6, depending on venue) randomly assembled Americans on a jury can protect this person from the MASSIVE GROPE OF ORWELLIANISM, then there's hope yet.


As far as the positioning of such a large number of aircraft carriers and naval ships in the Persian Gulf, it's really impossible to know how to read it. There's a ton of conflicting information and it's not like a buildup of naval forces in times past automatically signalled the onset of a hot war (or hot strike), although this does seem excessive (maybe it's an all out psch ops head fake or to tie Israel up; who knows?).

I doubt hostilities with Iran is going to bode well for Obama's re-election chances, especially given what's now a clearly identifiable negative trend in polling for him which is placing more of the blame then ever for the anemic economy (thanks to Bernank'd markets) at his feet, and especially given that the types of voters that would be satisfied by open hostilities between the U.S. and Iran aren't likely to vote for Obama if he were to literally rip off his face to unveil that he's the 2nd incarnation of Dubya (he actually is, but it's all a very nuanced and complicated novel).

And then there's that one, singular, damning hammerstrike of a deathblow to his re-election odds that just sits out there as an deeply worrying potential;  spiking gas prices.  Americans, even the bleating sheeple that they are, reach their limit and start breaking shit and requesting alternatives whenever gas prices spike (and the prices aren't exactly low as it is).

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:15 | 2630222 The Big Ching-aso
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Shit.  If Putin's Navy sets sail the Persian Gulf could be renamed the Green Glass Sea.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:18 | 2630225 The Big Ching-aso
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These inadvertant double entries suck unless you're Barney on a honeymoon.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:39 | 2630284 Spastica Rex
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Barney? Like the purple Dinosaur, or Fred's buddy?

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:56 | 2630337 knukles
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Fred's butt-dee

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 21:01 | 2630348 nmewn
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Bottoms up!!!

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 21:08 | 2630366 knukles
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Policeman: Is that women's underwear you've got on?
Fred:  No it's my underwear.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 21:15 | 2630379 nmewn
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Policeman: Where did you buy it?

Fred: Why, Freddie Fannies Boutique & Exotica of courth fella.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 21:52 | 2630476 Jena
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Policeman:  I'm just glad you're wearing some.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:16 | 2630227 Dr. Engali
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You are leaving the false flag out of the equation. The American people will buy into it like a fat man on a ham sandwich. They will be rallying around Obummer and screaming for blood.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:21 | 2630239 Bay of Pigs
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Strangely, but war is almost always good news for US Presidents seeking reelection

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:27 | 2630255 fonzannoon
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You just nailed it Dr. Engali. People keep underestimating the mind control of the majority of the population. I know it is not pleasant to hear but thats the truth. Whoever is junking you is either just angry or totally clueless.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:32 | 2630269 Dr. Engali
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I think we have a serial junker on the thread and it's not to far out of the realm of possiblities that I may have pissed somebody off in the past couple days ;->

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:35 | 2630274 fonzannoon
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Ha I was going to say nice job to you as you have a junker on you lately. I can do one better. I have never once ever junked Sheepdog1 but whenever I comment on his posts someone junks him and he tells me to go fk myself for junking him. He gets all pissed off and blames me. Now that is not only a serial junker, but one smart enough to get me blamed. Top that.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:43 | 2630299 Dr. Engali
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I like sheepdog and his comments but he does let the junking get to him. He needs a thicker coat of fur with this crowd.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 23:54 | 2630752 NumberNone
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Viral Peace - Within the State Department, a Silicon Valley veteran has quietly launched an improbable new initiative to annoy, frustrate and humiliate denizens of online extremist forums. It’s so new that it hasn’t fully taken shape: Even its architects concede it hasn’t fleshed out an actual strategy yet, and accordingly can’t point to any results it’s yielded.

It just keeps getting better. 

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 03:59 | 2630941 Flying Tiger Comics
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Like everything else today's retarded douchebags come up with, it's essential that their worthless thought bubbles be achievable by clicking on a button, posting on twitter, and proceeding to do sweet fuck all in the real world where the humans live. Awesome.


It will work especially well when an enemy wipes out both the power grid and the internet.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 11:59 | 2632283 Ignorance is bliss
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I believe  a couple of Gov't trolls roam Harvey Organ's Blog. Some of the comments smack of paid propoganda. Same guys every Monday - Thursday. No comments on weekends or holidays. 

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 07:12 | 2631056 Bringin It
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Props to SD-1 for being right for so long about QE3.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:35 | 2630275 fonzannoon
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Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:41 | 2630292 Spastica Rex
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I just junked you, but I did it because you never piss me off. I did it ironically.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:44 | 2630303 fonzannoon
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Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:46 | 2630314 Dr. Engali
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LOL. I sure do enjoy a cold beer and the comments on the Hedge.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:52 | 2630327 azzhatter
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I returned the favor Rex

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:58 | 2630342 knukles
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Jezzzzzzzzzz and I haven't junked anybody all day!

Yes.  There appears to be a serial junker on the loose.

And when we find him....

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 21:17 | 2630384 cbxer55
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We'll junk him.

I junked myself, so there!  ;-)

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 21:21 | 2630394 nmewn
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Wed, 07/18/2012 - 23:29 | 2630662 jerry_theking_lawler
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i always junk anyone who mentions...junking.

<---even myself....

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 10:01 | 2631603 General Decline
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Spastica - not to go gay on you but you are one of the better posters here on ZH. Your posts are short and sweet which plays well with my A.D.D. And usually quite funny. Wow, the painkillers are really kickin in this morning. I'm going to go ahead and junk you now.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 10:06 | 2631628 General Decline
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Crap! Couldn't junk you. Already gave you an up arrow on that one. Oh well. Next time...

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 12:20 | 2632420 cbxer55
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All you have to do is click the down arrow, it'll change. You can flip-flop on your vote just like romney can flip-flop on his positions, multiple times a day.  ;-)

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 21:40 | 2630439 agNau
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"Did I mention I killed Bin Laden?"
Good for 10% swing in polls anytime.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 22:10 | 2630522 DaveyJones
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which one? the video game had so many

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 22:19 | 2630549 Overfed
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If I could have but one wish, it would be to educate everybody in America about jury nullification.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:13 | 2630217 poor fella
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Did he touch, or heaven forbid, EAT, a hot dog?  (MAYBE THE TSA AGENT ATE A DOG!!)

I refused the scan last time through - was THE ONLY one, and some of the 'agents' were fucking ASS fucking HOLES!! Some bitch said, "it looks like a cartoon, if your shy, we can't see anything". giving me that 'I hate dealing with crazy people' smirk and head bob....

While a dude had his hand between my ass cheeks, I said, "do I LOOK SHY?!?!"

Somebody else piped up saying, "It'S NOT bad for you!"

It probably isn't, but these dick-holes think somebody is going to listen to their opinion? Is that a research position?!?!?!?

I'm not making this bullshit easy... EVERYONE should decline the scan once in awhile..  (the 'nut-sack-toucher' actually had a test coming up and said he hadn't done it before!)   I'm always glad to help  ;)

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:28 | 2630259's picture

Radiation, yes indeed! You hear the most outrageous lies about it. Half-baked goggle-boxed do-gooders telling everybody it's bad for you. Pernicious nonsense! Everybody could stand a hundred chest X-rays a year. They ought to have 'em too.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 23:06 | 2630649 WaterWings
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Nine times out of ten it's an electric razor. But … every once in a while [looks around, leans in conspiratorially] … it's a dildo. [leans back] Of course, it's company policy never to imply ownership in the event of a dildo. We have to use the indefinite article, "a dildo", never … your dildo.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 12:09 | 2632330 Ignorance is bliss
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 I fly 2-3 times a week. Fuck the x-ray machines and the TSA... In 20 years how many of those fat TSA douche bags will have cancer? I always bring it up when they make me wait the 15 minutes for an illegal search. I ask them how they can risk bathing in radiation all day everyday. You think they don't worry? You bet they worry? They look scared shitless when you ask if they've ever seen someone fighting the big C.


Suck on that head game Bitch.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 12:08 | 2632331 Ignorance is bliss
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posted twice

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 23:21 | 2630687 Michael
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No matter what happens, I'm still voting for Obama.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 03:49 | 2630931 merizobeach
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Interesting comment.  At first, I wanted to add a /sarc tag.  Then I thought of just asking, "Why bother?"  Certainly, I would never consider to vote for Romney, but I also have no support for Obama and the Dems.

It reminds me of an idea I had a couple days ago, in the vein of the 'none of the above' ballot initiative in CA years ago..  What if a person were still to cast just one vote, but there would be two additional choices: to vote against either of the candidates... any candidate that finished with more votes against than votes in support would be ineligible to take office?  I'd turn out to vote if I could vote against Romney with the effect of a -1 on his popular tally.  Or I'd vote RP if he stepped up as an independent.  Damn, I'm fresh out of hopium.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:15 | 2630224 FieldingMellish
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Its always the pawns that get sacrificed, however. I'd rather not play.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:30 | 2630262's picture

That's the only winning move.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:59 | 2630343 FieldingMellish
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Only for the kings and queens. The rest are left to pick up the tab.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 21:45 | 2630455 CloseToTheEdge
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'don't surround yourself with yourself, move on back as square'

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 22:37 | 2630592 FieldingMellish
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I love Yes! How did you know?

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 01:02 | 2630827 Count Manzeppi
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That would be 'two squares', not 'as square'. Sheesh.


Wed, 07/18/2012 - 19:46 | 2630137 THX 1178
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Here we go...

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 23:36 | 2630717 pd45
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CVN's are for posturing. If conflict is eminment, the carriers will pull back, and we'll see or not see cruise missile platforms (cruisers, subs) entering the zone. Also we'll see massive build up in Diego Garcia.

Mullahs are safe, Obama said as much. Isrealis will have to go stealth and solo.


Thu, 07/19/2012 - 03:16 | 2630916 gurkha108
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Lots of cruisers, destroyers and subs go with the carriers.  They're called battle groups. (CVBG)

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 16:53 | 2633650 TimmyB
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And the purpose of all those crusiers, destroyers and submarines?  Protect the aircraft carrier. 

The U.S. Navy would never peal off the escorts, and leave the carrier unprotected. 


Wed, 07/18/2012 - 19:46 | 2630138 toomanyfakecons...
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These carriers may soon find their way to the bottom...

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:02 | 2630182 LeisureSmith
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Yes, in more ways then one unfortunately....but that may well be the plan. Enterprise anyone?

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:12 | 2630208 Paul Atreides
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P-270 Moskit BrahMos Sunburn Yakhont Onix

The Sunburn is perhaps the most lethal anti-ship missile in the world, designed to fly as low as 9 feet above ground/water at more than 1,500 miles per hour (mach 2+).  The missile uses a violent pop-up maneuver for its terminal approach to throw off Phalanx and other U.S. anti-missile defense systems. Given their low cost, they’re perfectly suited for close quarter naval conflict in the bathtub-like Persian Gulf.

The Sunburn is versatile, and can be fired from practically any platform, including just a flat bed truck. Fired from shore a missile could hit a ship in the Strait in less than a minute. It presents a real threat to the U.S. Navy. The payload hits with a 750-pound conventional warhead.

I have heard Russia and China have supplied 500+ of these babies to Iran in the last 10 years from a few military sources.
Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:24 | 2630246 Jay Gould Esq.
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Recall the fate of the HMS Sheffield duing the Falklands conflict in '82: sent to the bottom by a single, inexpensive Exocet anti-ship missile.

One cannot help but comparing the modern naval strategy of the carrier battle group to the battleship flotillas of the Second World War: both have, as their cores, large, lumbering, high-silhouette surface vessels...highly vulnerable.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:34 | 2630272's picture

After the ship was struck and her crew waiting to be rescued, Sub Lieutenant Carrington-Wood led the crew in singing "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life" from Monty Python’s Life of Brian.[12]

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:56 | 2630339 azzhatter
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that's awesome. Corzine was spotted in the Hamptons singing that tune

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 21:05 | 2630354 knukles
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I saw somebody singing that!
The guy was on the beach running around nude, trying to insert some big flesh colored fist into his bung screaming something about the Rothschilds and somebody named Jamie, margin calls and the City of London with Tazer wires hanging all over him.
There were all these rich looking young guys standing next to DB's and Ferraris making book watching and shouting something about spreads over LIBOR and mental health institutions.

I don't know if it was him, though.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 23:18 | 2630666 TruthInSunshine
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There was a rumor that The Honorable Jon S. Corzine was spotted hosting a party on his yacht in the Hamptons, and he was singing 'Pimpin' aint' easy' on the Karaoke while sippin' on Rémy Martin.



Wed, 07/18/2012 - 23:44 | 2630731 post turtle saver
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Recall the fate of the USS Stark, which was successfully hit by two Exocet missiles. It ended up going back to Florida under its own power after some patchwork in Bahrain. Went on to be decommissioned in 1999 and scrapped in 2006. The only time a US Navy ship has been hit by an anti-ship missile. The oh-so-scary Exocet didn't get the job done, however, even when they doubled up against crew and systems on standby.

After the keelhauling the Stark officers received I can guarantee you that no one, and I mean no one, captaining a ship in the Med or the Gulf is going to be that lazy ever again. Between that and the new AN/SLQ-32 and SEWIP systems I strongly doubt anything in a carrier group gets touched. Not to mention all the air cap. You twits fantasizing about the US Navy getting bloodied with these things can shove off and go ankle biting somewhere else. It ain't gonna happen... the antenna library is ridiculously large and that crap is going to get shut down.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 05:19 | 2630974 Disenchanted
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The Titanic is unsinkable!

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 10:54 | 2631942 post turtle saver
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They can't sink you if they can't touch you. Trust me, none of those missiles will get close.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 06:43 | 2631020 Benjamin Glutton
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It's good to have faith but do not delude yourself. I wish our sailors the best knowing that even the most optimistic estimates will have our defensive systems downing no better than 50% of incoming missiles of mixed type.


If we are to avoid a bloody nose it will be thru overwhelming offense that prevents Iran from launching...otherwise a bloody broken nose is already priced in by our own commanders.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 07:24 | 2631065 Bringin It
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Benjamin - Who is we?  If we are to avoid a bloody nose it will be thru overwhelming offense that prevents Iran from launching

Brilliant analysis on your part, but if we were sane, we would not be bombing, contemplting bombing or otherwise annoying innocent people on the other side of the world.

Would we Benjamin?

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 23:53 | 2630749 ironsky
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Yep. Those WWII carriers were surrounded by Aegis cruisers and destroyers .

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 21:41 | 2630444 RobD
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The sunburn has a range of just a little over 200km so the only way one is going to hit one of our carriers is if we want it too.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 21:52 | 2630475 CloseToTheEdge
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we gone need more lily-pads


Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:12 | 2630212 Ineverslice
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Ouch,  370km/h... advancements in fluid dynamics big time.  Very interesting.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 21:23 | 2630390 Taint Boil
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Or this

Why build carriers when you can make 2000 of these - much better return on investment.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 19:46 | 2630140 poor fella
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The Middle East is saying, "AWESOME!! Looks like an economic turnaround on the horizon!" You Ess AYY!!

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 19:46 | 2630141 RyanW525
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Great...gonna lose the rest of my freedoms shortly...

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 19:48 | 2630145 SHEEPFUKKER

They are all gone already.  You having nothing left to lose. Enjoy. 

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 19:56 | 2630152 Dr. Engali
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We may have lost our freedoms ,but we still have a lot to lose.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 19:57 | 2630166 SHEEPFUKKER

Expand please. What else in life is really important besides your freedom?  Enquiring minds want to know. You can love your family and friends all you like, but if you are living in a FEMA camp, what is the point?

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:06 | 2630192 Dr. Engali
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Exactly.Family...the only thing really important to me. Hopefully when it comes to that point enough sensible and well armed people will have had enough.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 22:11 | 2630528 DaveyJones
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what's that line from Moonstruck? What do you got when you got nothing. You got your family.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:06 | 2630194 walküre
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Shut up, you FUKKER of SHEEP!

The FEMA camps will feed you and give you a roof over your head? You don't need no stinkin' freedom and the offspring that comes from those camps will have never known what this thing called freedom is.

Give it a few decades and people will embrace the lifestyle of the FEMA.

Sorry, can't bring your books! FEMA will supply you with assorted reading materials so your mind won't go wandering.

Lastly, ARBEIT MACHT FREI is a universal concept. FREI = FREE. Real freedom is attainable in hard work.


FEMA camps, the American Dream come true.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:31 | 2630265 Reptil
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LOL obviously sarcasm is lost in on the intarwebz

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:52 | 2630325 ZeroAvatar
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Fema Camps:  Don't think everyone will be just sitting around playing Pinochle and watching dancing with the stars. 


No, most likely it will be forced labor camps, like the Russian Gulags.  You're gonna work, and I mean WORK!


And, oh, the joys of being around such diversity all day, everyday!  Incontinent grandmas!  Screaming, stinking babies.  Jose and Maria going at it hot and heavy EVERY chance they get.  Shared bunks, in a squad bay.  Might just as well be in prison, or DEAD.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 23:08 | 2630650 dark pools of soros
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work? what work in this country? you think everyone is going to be shoveling coal for 18 hours? 

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 23:54 | 2630753 HardAssets
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Life as in "1984' ? Life as in "Hunger Games" ?

"Well, Fuck that shit" - - - Patrick Henry

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:02 | 2630180 Unprepared
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Are you talking about your virginity? They took that took Muppets.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:08 | 2630200 Dr. Engali
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I lost that 35 years ago....but it has been a while so it may have grown back.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 21:11 | 2630372 knukles
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We really got to find that serial junker....
And when we do....

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 01:35 | 2630858 Hulk
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Judjing by the sheer magnitude of the problem, I'd say we have the very first parallel junker on our hands...

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 19:47 | 2630143 Judge Arrow
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October 'surprise'

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 19:58 | 2630165 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:00 | 2630175 NemoDeNovo
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October???  Hell might be much sooner then that.......

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:27 | 2630252 cougar_w
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Has to be Aug/Sept if it's going to count for the election.

And notice, if Obama loses then Mitt inherits a nice war in the ME to help him get started with the day-to-day POTUS thing.

If they (Obama and Romoney) can make this into a "ensuring the security of America" thing then it's on like Donkey Kong.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:20 | 2630237 rockraider3
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Is October surprise kind of like Trick or Treat? 

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 19:48 | 2630146 fonzannoon
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If the US or Israel actually attacks Iran China wiill dump treasuries en masse and release a statement say they are enacting sanctions agains the US. Oil will skyrocket and gold will skyrocket and my neighbors will give me that weird and suspicious look when they see my lack of surprise at what happened and the reaction.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:01 | 2630177 knukles
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I always give my neighbors weird and suspicious looks.
Keeps 'em on their toes.
Pretty soon I'll have 'em so paranoid they'll be happily washing my car and cleaning up my dog's poop.
It helps, of course, to have a very elderly German gent living next door who sings strange old marching songs late at nights and wears small bags of gold fillings and Hitler's ashes on his belt as a constant companion.
Not speaking German, I have no idea whatsoever what it is he screams about constantly, waving his hands all over as if he were giving public addresses.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:06 | 2630191 fonzannoon
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at least your neighbors sound interesting. Mine are just ballbreakers.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 21:00 | 2630346 azzhatter
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Mine are lesbos and they're both hot. 

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 21:38 | 2630437 otto skorzeny
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mine act like they never left HS-they had a fucking costume(70s) party the other night-probabaly sat around talking about intellectual shit like baseball

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 22:24 | 2630560 TruthInSunshine
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My next door neighbors are financially well off refugees who fled New York.

The gentleman, who made his retirement bank in the financial sector, has told me on many occassions that he made his money when Wall Street and the banking sector were still at least "somewhat honest," and that he saw a "literal slide from a degree of honesty into a cesspool of fraud" begin in the 90s, and he knew that it would forever rebalance the American Economy for the worse, in the exact same way that London has drained the rest of England in parasitic fashion.

The woman told me that they do not miss New York and would never return there if they didn't have grandchildren there, whom they occassionally visit, and that their children are beginning to talk about fleeing, as well (it probably helps that these people have purchased a really nice lot in a very nice area for their kids and grandchildren to build a home on).

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 22:28 | 2630574 otto skorzeny
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if their last name ends in -stein and you could easily fit a roll of nickels up their nose keep an eye on where they bury their gold

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 02:11 | 2630883 knukles
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That is just so wrong.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:31 | 2630267 Tippoo Sultan
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Hänschen klein ging allein
In die weite Welt hinein.
Stock und Hut stehn ihm gut,
Ist gar wohlgemut.
Aber Mutter weinet sehr,
hat ja nun kein Hänschen mehr.
Da besinnt
sich das Kind,
läuft nach Haus geschwind.

Knukles -- sound familiar ? I believe he may be performing a karaoke routine to the intro to Peckinpah's, "Cross of Iron."

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 21:13 | 2630374 knukles
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Could you whistle the tune for me?

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:46 | 2630313 Ness.
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Your neighbor might be Obama's speech writer.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:22 | 2630242 Muppet Pimp
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China wiill dump treasuries en masse


Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:31 | 2630264 fonzannoon
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Thanks for the insight.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 23:15 | 2630667 Lore
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"China will dump treasuries en masse..."  <-- That's the bizarre part. It's as if the dollar pushers are hellbent on playing a Macchiavellian game of "Chicken" and "Truth or Dare" with economic laws of nature. Is it any wonder that other nations see the drama and want out?! 

I prefer the alternative explanation for the aircraft carriers: they need a fourth for Bridge.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 19:48 | 2630147 Dr. Engali
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Nothing like  a convenient bus bombing today to help stoke the fires. I wonder how long before that "stiff response".

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:08 | 2630199 NemoDeNovo
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Does it really matter at this point???  This is WORSE then watching old "Professional" wrestling from days gone by, bad theatre at its best.  The Winners & Losers are all ready decided, only odd chance can chage the outcome at this point.....

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 20:39 | 2630283's picture

Much like Andy Kaufman the US only wrestles the national equivalent of girls.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 19:51 | 2630153 fonzannoon
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Isreal is not going to wait for a green light from us.

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