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Three US Aircraft Carriers Now In The Middle East With Fourth En Route
A week ago we reported news that Middle East veteran aircraft carrier CVN-74 Stennis was ending its brief sabbatical prematurely, and far earlier than previously expected, and heading right back into the field, er sea, of action. As Kitsapsun reported, "Bremerton-based aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis is returning to the Middle East much sooner than expected. The Navy hasn't officially announced the new deployment plan for the Stennis, said spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Zach Harrell." The ship came home to Naval Base Kitsap on March 2 after seven months of launching planes into Iraq and Afghanistan. Generally, it wouldn't go back to the Fifth Fleet area of responsibility for four to five years, after a deployment to the Western Pacific and a maintenance period. But with Iran making threats, crew members learned Saturday they'll be leaving again in late August for eight months." We concluded that shortly, Stennis will be the third carrier accompanying Lincoln and Enterprise. As it turns out, a third carrier was already en route, and as of today, CVN 69 Eisenhower is either at the opening of the Straits of Hormuz, or just past it. That makes 3 aircraft carriers in the middle east, 2 in the Gulf and the Arabian Sea and one just off the coast of Syria. And technically, the LHD 7 Iwo Jima Big Deck Amphibious ship, which is also just off the coast of Iran region, makes three and a half. Which means that a 5th one (rounded up) - Stennis - is coming in 1-2 months. Good luck Iran.
Source: Stratfor
So to recap: Four US aircraft carriers. One big deck amphibious warfare ship. One Iran. WTI well below its 2012 highs even with Bernanke having engaged in yet another flow-boosting Qualitative Easing operation. And One presidential election in 4 months.
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Don't discount Russia so easily. They are crafty bastards I give them that.
And no I am not rooting for USSR. I have been watching these Soviets for so long that I have grown to like them a little.
Well you are right in a land war on thier territory they would be impossible to defeat. But the balance of military power has changed so much since Vietnam. Our technology has improved past the rest of the world by factors (not without problems - ie F-22).
But it's not just us, but our allies as well - like NATO, Australia, Canada, Japan and increasingly SK. As a combined force the diminished Russia (not the USSR/WARSAW PACT of the past) is not even a distant match. Not to say they can't make trouble - and they do.
Think of how many countries have moved to the West since the end of the Soviet empire - East Germany, Poland, Hungary, Ukraine, the 'Stans.
Especially in East Europe.
A China/Russia alliance is more formidable. But they are not going to fight for Iran and Syria.
It has been shown time and again throughout history that hubris and underestimating the enemy has lost many wars.
As Ron Paul says "There is no external threat to justify our war spending (more then the whole world's combined), the threat is within - errosion of civil liberties, unchecked government control and power." para-phased.
If you include NATO, Australia, Japan, and SK as well, the military might is overwhelming by multiple factors. Russia and China are just bogey men to keep us spending.
You didn't even seem to read my post. I was talking about the USSR - everyone knows that current Russia does not have the spending it had under the old USSR, so asking why the current Russia hasn't built a fleet of carriers is useless. If they had a fleet, it would've been built in the era of the USSR, and the Russians didn't consider them a viable option. That's my point. Also, modern carrier defenses do indeed have trouble with cruise missiles in some cases - I'm not sure how advanced the technology has gotten in the last decade, but Millenium Challenge02 demonstrated that the electronic defenses of modern carriers and ships can be overwhelmed by a large amount of cruise missiles.
Point well taken on the USSR - carriers were much cheap in the 60's and 70's. It's not that the carriers have become so much more powerful - it's the advancement of their aircraft - the ability to project over the horizon a devastatingly accurate and lethal strike to air, ground and armor targets.
It would taken an immense coordinated cruise missile attack to have a chance to striking a lethal blow. It would have to be a surprise attack with excellent coordination and a lot of luck.
Normal cruise missiles are vulnerable do to their slow speed. The Sunburns are a different matter. But they have limited range.
A Carrier Group have many deterrents: either three or four 20 mm Phalanx CIWS missile defense cannon. USS Ronald Reagan has none of these, having been built with the RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile system, two of which have also been installed on USS Nimitz and USS George Washington. These will be installed on the other ships as they return for Refueling Complex Overhaul (RCOH). Since USS Theodore Roosevelt, the carriers have been constructed with 2.5 in (64 mm) Kevlar armor over vital spaces, and earlier ships have been retrofitted with it: Nimitz in 1983–1984, Eisenhower from 1985–1987 and Vinson in 1989.[2][21]
The other countermeasures the ships use are four Sippican SRBOC (super rapid bloom off-board chaff) six-barrel MK36 decoy launchers, which deploy infrared flares and chaff to disrupt the sensors of incoming missiles; an SSTDS torpedo defense system; and an AN/SLQ-25 Nixie torpedo countermeasures system. The carriers also use Raytheon AN/SLQ-32(V) electronic warfare systems to detect and disrupt hostile radar signals in addition to the electronic warfare capabilities of some of the aircraft on board.
And remember, a US carrier group should never, ever, let a Chinese attack sub surface in the middle of it.
Skyguard ?
Seriously ?
You think that the carriers can be defended by a science fiction program ?
If proposed weapons systems could defeat deployed weapons systems this world would be a lot weirder than it already is.
Your incredible knowledge about armaments, carrier groups and relationships between Russian and U.S. military budgets and equipment suggests…along with your bloodthirsty Zionist warmongering talk …. that you are an employee of George (I don’t know his middle name) Friedman, the war promoter aka Stratfor (a “source” for this article).
I just cannot forget Stratfor’s advice for Obama: War with Iran regardless of whether it is declared or not would be an effective reelection strategy.
Blood thirsty warmongering!!! I guess you condone the mass killing of innocent women and children.
I am not a Zionist and favor cutting all aid to Israel - here is a great example of a foreign country owning our political system.
Now Netanyahu is in big trouble:
Israel's largest party walks out of Benjamin Netanyahu's coalitionhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/9406961/Isra...
I have nothing to do with Stratfor.
If we as a country chose to spend more then the entire world's spending COMBINED on a war machine. We might as well use it for something good. Not seizing a country then handing off the oil to foreign oil companies - must have been big money crossing hands on this one.
U.S. Companies Shut Out as Iraq Auctions Its Oil Fields Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1948787,00.html#ixzz211niiCoZ Let's get it over with on Iran and Syria - and end this "war on terror", that's destroying our freedoms and rights.It is good that war is so evil lest man will enjoy it more.
When Nations go to war, we little people needs to stay off the roads so that the convoys don't get delayed.
How much will another Middle East war cost the US, a net oil importer? How much will it cost Russia, a net oil exporter?
It's not how many carriers you go into battle with, as the Imperial Japanese Navy learned at Midway, it's how many carriers you exit with.
The Iranians and the Syrians have no effective deterrent to our carriers, the range of the SunBurn missiles is to short to be of concern. Our carrier aircraft can strike from hundreds of miles away. Russia has no effective deterrent again our carriers AND Aegis Cruisers jamming capabilities.
A comparison with the Midway battle is ridiculous - this was a battle between two closely matched adversaries. You know nothing about navel history so don't bring it up.
you are bliss
you are such a tease so gay.
go on come out of the closet
deep down you really want to be anally raped by a hairy persian don't ya punk
it is all love and hate.
and hate to love with you.
now fuck off and stop flirty fishing
You know nothing You are Bliss.
Nothing.
I cannot even begin to write to tear your post apart.I fully expect to see one US Carrier or more damaged. If not sunk.
It's going to hurt.
Maybe it is good you know nothing and need some drafting.
Hi Bliss, You are correct, when you replied to my post, "You know nothing about navel history so don't bring it up." I must admit, the only thing I know about navels is to keep mine clean! I do know a bit about sea based air power that can "strike from hundreds of miles away". The IJNAF aircraft at Midway, the Kates, Vals, and Zeros could also, but once the deck is U/S and carriers cannot launch and recover it doesn't matter much. Losing all the carriers at Midway, meant that they also lost all their aircraft, every single one from those carriers, and also lost almost all of their pilots, the best in the world at that moment.
But I do get my "USN Perceedings" every month! All kidding aside Bliss, you should join Tailhook Association and carefully read each issue of The Hook -- Journal of Carrier Aviation.
Well since you are a "USN Proceedings" reader - you should know the difference between now and Midway.
Last I checked the Iranian's have no carriers.
Their is NO other navy fielding a carrier like the a Nimitz Class - let alone a dozen. You should know that as a member of the TA.
Now if you want to compare the capabilities of a VT-6 versus an F Super Hornet I will gladly listen.
Being such a sea based air power expert, you must have read the Project 2049's report, if not here is a link
http://project2049.net/documents/chinese_anti_ship_ballistic_missile_asb...
If you want to debate WWII history - the US lucked out twice. Once by having our carriers at sea when Pearl Harbor was attacked, second in many bad decisions by the Japanese command at Midway. Would you like the details? It could have easily gone the other way.
Enjoy your JCA.
This might prove interesting :
Millennium Challenge 2002 (MC02) was a major war game exercise conducted by the United States armed forces in mid-2002, likely the largest such exercise in history. The exercise, which ran from July 24 to August 15 and cost $250 million, involved both live exercises and computer simulations. MC02 was meant to be a test of future military "transformation"—a transition toward new technologies that enable network-centric warfare and provide more powerful weaponry and tactics. The simulated combatants were the United States, referred to as "Blue", and an unknown adversary in the Middle East, "Red".
HideExercise action
Red, commanded by retired Marine Corps Lt. General Paul K. Van Riper, used old methods to evade Blue's sophisticated electronic surveillance network. Van Riper used motorcycle messengers to transmit orders to front-line troops and World War II light signals to launch airplanes without radio communications.
Red received an ultimatum from Blue, essentially a surrender document, demanding a response within 24 hours. Thus warned of Blue's approach, Red used a fleet of small boats to determine the position of Blue's fleet by the second day of the exercise. In a preemptive strike, Red launched a massive salvo of cruise missiles that overwhelmed the Blue forces' electronic sensors and destroyed sixteen warships. This included one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of six amphibious ships. An equivalent success in a real conflict would have resulted in the deaths of over 20,000 service personnel. Soon after the cruise missile offensive, another significant portion of Blue's navy was "sunk" by an armada of small Red boats, which carried out both conventional and suicide attacks that capitalized on Blue's inability to detect them as well as expected.[1]
At this point, the exercise was suspended, Blue's ships were "re-floated", and the rules of engagement were changed; this was later justified by General Peter Pace as follows: "You kill me in the first day and I sit there for the next 13 days doing nothing, or you put me back to life and you get 13 more days' worth of experiment out of me. Which is a better way to do it?"[2] After the reset, both sides were ordered to follow predetermined plans of action. After the wargame was restarted, the war game was forced to follow a script drafted to ensure a Blue Force victory. Among the rules imposed by this script, Red Force was ordered to turn on all his anti-aircraft radar in order for them to be destroyed, and Red Force was not allowed to shoot down any of the aircraft bringing Blue Force troops ashore.[3] Van Riper also claimed that exercise officials denied him the opportunity to use his own tactics and ideas against Blue Force, and that they also ordered Red Force not to use certain weapons systems against Blue Force and even ordered that the location of Red Force units to be revealed.[4] This led to accusations that the war game had turned from an honest, open free play test of America's war-fighting capabilities into a rigidly controlled and scripted exercise intended to end in an overwhelming American victory.,[3] which meant that "$250 million was wasted".[5]
Source; Wikipedia.
When a military service leaks bad results from a war game, it's real purpose plays out in the next POM cycle as the service chief uses it as a bludgeon to gain more acquisitions funding to modernize. They never leak the tweaking to ROEs, statistical inputs to engagement effectiveness or magic-moves that may have allowed the simulation to meet the intent of catastrophe.
But, small boat swarms and a large enough volume of ASCMs would certainly increase the fleet's pucker factor, just as SAM alleys make fighter jocks take notice.
Why would you want to compare capabilities of Torpedo Squadron VT-6 against an F/A-18 E/F? Over a half century difference in time, and I've yet to see an operational F-18 with a torpedo slung under its belly or on any hardpoints.
So, a question for you about our aircraft carriers. How many rounds can a VIB hold? If you've been on carriers I'm positive you've spent a lot of time near these.
i'm an avid navel history buff myself.
We need to take down Syria and Iran and get our people in there. Particularly Iran. The oil is calling bitchez! And if we can slap down Putin (another who refuses to play nice), it's a bonus. If a carrier gets hit it will just enrage the Fox News watching sheeple and then the gloves come off with the full backing of the human cattle! I love war! Time to pay off the debt with brown people blood!!! Bwahahahaaa!!!!
I bet the majority of the posters on this blog are Republicans. Who is most controled by the Military-Industrial complex? The GOP baby.
I bet you are one of their biggest supporters - don't you love Rush.
I have been a Libertarian for 30 years (even worked for Ron Paul when he ran for President as Libertarian). What is Ron Paul's position on our defense budget?
"I bet the majority of the posters on this blog are Republicans."
Sorry ... but the bestest posters on this site realize that there is no diff between Repubs and Demos - they haven't swallowed the pill (any pill). Gawd, I sound like Slewie!
You've been around long enough to know there are very few republicans or democrats here. Most of us know the real gig. Overall you seem fairly intelligent , but that is just a stupid comment.
The only sad joke here is your lack of a grasp of reality.
The US touches a Russian or Chinese ship it's game over, a few battle field tactical nukes will fly.
What are you, three years old?
all together now....
Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran,
Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb... Let's Bomb Iran!
Let's take a stand... and Bomb Iran!
They're Evil-doers yes it's true, there's nothin' left to do,
But Bomb Iran, Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran!
Went to Iraq, caught lotsa flack,
No turnin' back so while we're there let's just attack,
And Bomb Iran! (Bomb Bomb, Bomb... Let's Bomb Iran!)
They're a threat to me and you, there's nothin' left to do,
But Bomb Iran (Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran!)
Troops will have to see, a tour of duty 3,
They may get the shaft and you know we'll have to draft,
To Bomb Iran! (Bomb Bomb, Bomb... Let's Bomb Iran!)
They got the nukes you know it's true, there's nothin' left to do,
But Bomb Iran, (Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran!)
Bombed Afghanistan, but gave up the Taliban,
Hey at least this rhymes with "stan" and that's enough to make a plan
To Bomb Iran! (Bomb Bomb, Bomb... Let's Bomb Iran!)
You're a commie if you doubt and my time is running out,
To Bomb Iran, Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran!
As Philip Giraldi of Antiwar.com says, “endorsing evil is politics as usual.” Apparently Mitt Romney knows as little about right and wrong as Obama and the U.S. Congress.
Writes Giraldi:
“It was ironic that even as Rand Paul was endorsing Mitt, a key Romney foreign policy adviser, Richard Williamson, was in Israel telling a local audience that ‘Iran will see that there’s a new sheriff in town’ if Romney is elected. Williamson promised credible military threats against Iran, including actually using armed force to stop the Iranian weapons program, recommended arming the rebels in Syria, and reiterated the extremely dangerous arguments that Russia is America’s ‘number-one geopolitical foe.’ He also pledged that Romney’s first overseas trip would be to Israel, while the candidate himself has already stated that he would defer to Tel Aviv’s interests when crafting U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East.
“Romney, who does not accept the U.S. intelligence community’s assessment that Iran has no weapons program, was the only Republican presidential hopeful actually proposing an increase in the Pentagon budget and the size of U.S. armed forces. He also frequently exalts American exceptionalism to support his belief that the United States should militarily dominate the world.”
Romney, says Giraldi, is clueless and dangerous on foreign policy.
You won't see Ron Paul endorse Romney - his son is a sellout.
Where are the SSGN's (crowd pleaser's)?
You mean the Boomers?
Wouldn't I like to know.
If they do their work quietly and shake off Ivan, the only clue we would have on these things is when the Missile breaks the ocean, falls back a little and lights off the main booster.
You will not know if those ICBM's carry conventional, nuclear or something else totally crazy.
Be a lot of pucker holes tight.
I know one damn thing, we better have a hunter/killer or two tracking every single USSR Boomer and Cruisefishes.
Get long crude tonight. We are heading back to triple digits.
Not yet - my guess is last week in August.
Did anyone else notice that the S&P ended + 9.11 today?
We have always been at war with Eastasia./Orwell
Okay that's just fucked up.
Yes.
Unfortunately, after showing the US aircraft carrier to have a small dick and thousands of US sailors to be killed, I believe that a tactical nuclear strike would be authorized and Iran would be turned to a sea of glass. Of course this has multiple other problems associated with it, but Fuck it, so did sub-prime and supporting the Saudis. And as we know, we don't think that far ahead.
Oscummer does not have the cajones to order a tactical nuclear strike. And that would be his undoing. He does not have the guts to go all the way.
Now if he were ordering the mowing down of "kulaks" after he declares martial law, that would be easy for him to do because there would be no risk to himself.
Oscummer is a thoroughly despicable man.
Look at your history for the FDR he is trying to channel. PH 1941 will repeat, as every other try out the bottle has failed. His green energy will be the only one we have
A tact nuke strike?
That would have to wait until we get hit first... if we launch first with the big mommas the entire Arab world will start killing every American Tourist, Diplomat and others they can find.
Remember, the young Iranian People must really HATE their leaders. And anything we can do to essentially chop the head off the snake without hurting too many Civilians will be good.
Obongo is nothing more than a puppet. If he deviates from the script the Zionists give him, instant Kennedy-ization.
Why I certainly hope our enemies don't attack California then.
They might.
Vandenburg, Techapchi, Teton, 29 Palms and a number of other very important places in the West.
Don't stop at cali, keep going eastward.
A select few bridges will kill the trucks and make it very difficult to find meat and food within a week on the east coast working westward.
Remember we lost a bridge to a tug captain in Oklahoma and it took about 2 months and change to replace it.
We could always fly in some North Vietnamese, forty years ago they could replace a bombed bridge in one or two days. And thats with hardly any modern construction equipment.
Mercenaries for Banksters. Paid killers protecting NWO and elitist interests about to find out if the money they are getting paid is worth it.
Wonderful.
Its called sabre rattling. President b. hussein doesn't really want to go to war with every single country in the middle east--he respects his fellow muslims more than that.
He was/is a Sunni. Iranians are Shia. They get along about as much as the KKK does with the Black Panthers.
4 carriers in the middle east means war.
Talk about redundency
I didn't think that they would need that many ships to extract the black ops out of Syria.
Obama has been given his resignation letter and lose the close call election! The war can not be blamed on the finacial guy (mit r money).
Check out his latest communications with the military complex companies.
Hi George!
Wish you were here!
xoxoxox
Oh, yay...another completely bogus war from the empire that couldn't shoot straight. Note to our military "heroes": This time, don't come home complaining about your PTSD. You LIKE these wars, remember? You SIGNED UP for them. If, after all of the lying bullshit that's gone on under your well-trained noses, you can't figure out that you're being used as thugs and hitmen by a government of sleazy, thick-fingered criminal gangsters (who are LAUGHING AT YOU the entire time), then you deserve every bad thing that happens to you. Remember: You're NOT protecting our freedom. You're killing innocent people around the world so that your sociopathic countrymen can stuff their pockets and PRAISE THE LORD while they're doing it. Have fun!
+1... "empire that couldn't shoot straight."
What do you expect from the Clown Car Idiot Train of BushClintonBush, the Complete Moron Barry Soetoro and now the emptiest of empty suits Willard "The Rat" Romney...
Make sure to see "Battleship" the latest military recruiting propaganda. Makes it all look so great, even the lost limb rehab.
Russian subs preempt strike to get Obama's teleprompter to say 'shit just got real'
There should be ONE ROE .....TAKE NO PRISONERS.
Do it right for once.
Four US Aircraft carriers run out of petrol when the Dubai refuelling station refuses to take Bennie Bernanksters credit card...
You are trying to be funny.
I will give you a mulligan. Just keep in mind each carrier has enough on hand for two weeks of sorties.
The resupply vessels that keep them going will be target number one.
If China is serious about protecting Syria why haven't they threatened to stop buying our debt?
Just because China didn't say it to you...
Doesn't mean they didn't say it to Timmah...
Then why hasn't it worked?
Should only take the 1 to 2 months tops to finish off Iran....Wait a minute.....
LOL... Smirking Chimp/Dickhead Cheney Time Table...
rothchilds are in china.
was putin getting his orders last week,from netan yahoo that is the question.
putin is a lover of life
he likes naling chicks and being the cock of the walk
certain jews and many masonic satanists are psychotic and love the idea of a dr strangelove bunker life.
while we all fry in nuclear and bio weapon agents.
putin and the chinks will blink hoping to fight another die.
i hope i am wrong cos these skull and bones fuckers are relentless.
and on the bbc radio show this evening a phone in show talking about the timing changes that have been done to londons traffic lights that seems to be slowing down traffic.
angry people unaware mossad false flags that have passed or about to happen
It is all coming together... The timing is impeccable.
My theoretical strike plan on Iran:
Syria will fall in time for any carriers to get in place (Large chunk of Assad's inner circle has been taken out and rebels are moving into Damascus). Syrian airspace will then be available for Israel. Iraqi airspace as well (Notice how more violence going on in Iraq also). Supposed Azerbaijan airspace and airbase is available.
Initial action could be a two pronged attack or a feint and attack.
US strike groups will provide the feint - looking like they will attack to draw Iranian attention south. While providing deterrence and support (ie jamming, air refueling, etc) While Israel strikes from the north.
As time goes by and the missiles rain down, Iranian defenses will be overwhelmed or effectiveness eroded. US strike groups will then mop up if the Israeli strike is not completed.
Then again anything could happen. Either way, Iran will have no idea which way it will go... unless it chooses the 3rd option... cornered rabid wombat attack.
My take.
Spirits rotating out of Missouri with two crews 24/7 fly into Iran and anyone else that is deemed a threat.
Alot of action will be recon with all available assets including space. If memory serves, one Diplomat sitting on the bench getting GPS coordinates was sufficient to provide targeting data for all of Bgad.
There will be a hell of a rain of missiles in both directions.
Iran will do whatever it takes on all fronts to shut us down. The fast boats for example. How many can those 5 inch or whatever they are using these days take out, with the special tungsten canister rounds?
Other Nations in the area are going to get collateral damage and decide they will get their chops in too.
The Internet will probably be restricted. I am exploring using a software download that will allow a computer to be a server by proxy to keep our nation going.
Gas, Oil, Food etc will go up so fast and so high like they did on the day of 9-11. And even more should we get hit in any of our 50 states.
The military will do what they gotta do. In the past they have demonstrated great pairs of bawls in creativity in targeting. I have every confidence in them.
So, bring on the 200 dollar oil, 15 dollar gas, 5 dollar bread and 10 dollar milk. Bring it....
Ive been preparing since the war started back in '83
Now...
It will be good to settle this with Iran once and for all. And maybe when it is all over, we carry on.
You may want to be a mindless slave-warrior-sacrifice for the NWO but many of us don't. We also don't want killing to be done in our name with our dollars. They are bankrupting us with empire-building and then will circle-back to destroy us with the enemy groups created for us. A weak,arrogant, immoral and ignorant nation we have become.
The Military Industrial Complex executives are already planning the party at the secret Rumsfeld/Cheney ranch-silo bunker. It looks as if it will be a banner year for profit. Just please dont go on the hunting trip with Cheney if you are in this industry. He has a new heart but the same itchy trigger finger.
Under war-monger Cheney, and now under Obama/Biden team, they ought to call it the Dept of Offense instead of the DOD.
Same team, same profit
I am starting to believe that if a Jewish kid gets a pimple on his ass Nutiyahoo will blam IRAN.
So, this is one of Krugman/Bernank and Co's stimulus options right?
Just another play in the Machines playbook, a little pre election razzle dazzle.
Iran is hurting financially due to sanctions and the low prrice of oil. It's estimated that the need oil around $120 just to balance their budget. The natives are getting restless and the Mullahs can't have that. Look for Iran to do something stupid in te near future in an attempt to spike the price of oil and try to keep their citizens focused on the "enemy" instead of the economy.
Four Carriers and a full compliment cornered in a bathtub. Whose idea is this? One heavy barrage and they're gone. I don't see a lot of good coming out of all this war Hillary and Barack are dragging the country into, but I know it must make Dr. Evil Dick Cheney happy. That's what bothers me, he's happy and we're too confident. We're too transparent and leaving the other side with no good choices, worse still is that they have made our forces too vulneralbe. They've lost sight of Putin and I don't think they respect him, and that can be a dangerous mistake. We've got our chin way out there and not giving the devil his due. I'm repeating myself, but I don't like the attitude we've taken here, we're being careless. Careless in the Middle East can get you killed. Too many lies, too confident, too bad. www.electanewcongress.com
I'v said this before, I'll say it again, the US Navy has not fought a nation with modern submarines since WW2. In the almost seventy years since then, submarine warfare has grown by leeps and bounds, making carriers nearly obsolete for all but conducting operations against nations without modern subs. {which Iran has}. This will not be a "blue water navy" operation, it is a "brown water navy" operation, a very differant type of warfare from what huge carrier battle groups are designed and used for. All the iranian subs have to do is lie at the bottom of the persian gulf and wait. Once the carrier is almost right on top of it, fire everything at it at once. I doubt this will go as planned for the US Navy. Most of Irans subs were recently upgraded by the russians with some of the best technologies {anti-detection and weapons}. Carrier warfare is all the Navy brass knows, much like the admirals of the 1930'a were locked into thinking the battleship was still the predominate weapon in the fleet,
Once this mess starts, God help us all. Hamas, Hezbollah and every other militia group in the ME will go full bore against Israel and NATO interest everywhere, not just in the ME either. Europe has a huge muslim population now, and it would be foolish to believe they will just sit back and watch their last champion get attacked by the west and do nothing. If Russia and China get directly involved, it's WW3. Has anyone forgot that Russia said just a few months ago that a military strike upon Iran would be considered a strike against Russia? Likewise China has plenty of interest in Iran to defend too. These CFR warmongers might have bitten off more than they can chew this time. Let a couple of those carriers go to the bottom and see what the markets do. This is how empires end, by over-reaching. The US is ripe for a disaster.
Totally agree and you forgot to mention Pakistan with its nuclear arsenal who have very little room for patience regarding USA
They will have squared Iran by bribing their Commanders and offering them US Citizenship. The only think I do wonder now is if Israel will survive.......it seems Us policy is now firmly locked into Saudi funding and building the Greater Saudi Sphere of Influence - in that bin Laden has been successful in making Saudi the centre of policy
if it bleeds we can kill it
According to Reuters Assad has left Damascus fr LAtakia.
Reuters Top News ? @Reuters
Syrian President Assad in Latakia: opposition sources | Reuters
American taxpayers must be getting ready for post-January tax hikes. The thrill of deploying so much military hardware is what makes Public Spending worthwhile and no doubt Dick Fuld and Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein will be getting Americans to buy War Bonds with negative yield to fund the party. Saudi Arabia will express gratitude by funding the Obama (Osama) Foundation for Mutual Understanding and Russia will have the joy of watching Chechnya merge into Syria and Muslim Fundamentalists destabilise Central Asia in a sort of reversal of the Ottoman Empire implosion of the 1880s
Nice.
Keeping to Arabic tradition.War in the Autumn after Ramadan.
We respect them as we bomb them.
I have to admit tho, the thought of LOTS of missiles flying towards Israel makes me smile. They are the puppet masters of the bought and paid for whores in Congress and the Senate. If Americans are going to die because of those bastards, it's only fair lots of them die in the process!
Just imagine the incredible hardon the Rothschilds must have rite now.
And as an american, my anus hurts.
anyone question the legality of Obuma? see Joey A's fake documents charge..I have .. this o bum a guy makes all his records secret. then claims the most open presidency in history??
He could be the elite reptiles test for a NWO world leader..a man with no ties to any country leading the USA as is the fact today..then on to a UN appointed leader for the world another such man with a secret history& records and no clear ties to any country. (a mixed breed so much the better)
O bum a was placed in the office - in violation of US law, to see if anyone would stand & challange him :the courts? FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA, congress, the dear old GOP?
Now the US Military is used as an arm of the UN (libya)& Syria under orders from a CIC who is in fact a illegal resident of 1600 pa ave.
too tin foil hat for you? just keep your eyes wide shut. We will go to war when the elite tell him so., as he has passed the test.
You're overmedicated again.
All these big tempting targets in harms way just off the coast of Iran at the very time that the Bible says that Iran will ambush Babylon aka the USA. Jeremiah 51:11-14 for those interested.
Iran is shaking in their boots NOT....you have 5 carriers "manned" halfway with women who'd rather be at home.
I served on Eisenhower in the first gulf "war".....before the Navy decided to committ suicide. What a joke it was. We sat there and waited for months until some pussy in DC finally said, "Ok, fire"
The Navy ain't what it used to be. We have 40 year old nuclear aircraft carriers manned by retards too busy trying to get a piece of ass in the anchor windlass room or a rad-con shower to worry about a little thing like war fighting capability. That, and we make Admirals based upon the recommendations of the likes of Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer. We are totally fucked. We have to send 5 carriers out because at 2 of them will end up with a few pregnant morons and have to leave the fight so the Navy can handle the logistics of evacuating the idiots from the vessels.
Perhaps we could "pull an Iraq" on Iran...you know, massively overwhelming superiority of forces.....perhaps. But Putin has a hell of alot to lose if we get a "walk" in this fight. I think this one might sting.
Yeah. Iran is reeeeaaaaal nervous.
If Putin and Ahmadwhatshisface aren't laughing their asses off right now, I'd be surprised.
Beware of the law of unintended consequences...
The USA just disposed one of Egypt's out-of-service bulldog, Omar Suleiman, the Egypt's former intelligence chief and a close ally of ousted President Hosni Mubarak (2012-07-19).
Just got rid the liability, permanently! His service time is over...hell is his new dwelling.
How much damage will one of those nuclear electromagnetic pulses cause our fleets? If we loose 4 battlegroups, will that mean we loose the reserve currency as well?
What really shocks me is how asleep the American people are to the endless list of shit hitting the fan.
Not only are they asleep they don't want to discuss it. No one wants to think about the ramifications. How can we be so woefully intentionally ignorant as a nation.
Amerikan people are duped by education devised by the puppet masters. Just search the roles of David Rockerfellaaa; Carnegie, John Dawey...
They are made into docile and converted into sheeople by the endless pumping of media and broadcast into their heads, permanent brain damages for most!
“Children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society that is coming.” — John Dewey (1859-1952), 'father of progressive education.'
And do not forget to check the chloride content in one's drinking water and the GMO food :D
Check its GMO section...
http://www.weaponsofmassdebt.com/
MORE resources about GMOs:
http://www.labelgmos.org/resources
As the Syrian regime titters on the brink and the gulf states are feverishly preparing to counter Iranian plans to close the Hormuz choke point, we present here a scenario of the upcoming gulf war and its implications for a future superpower clash in the south China sea, as well as the brewing conflict around the Mediterranean gas drills. http://essential-intelligence-network.blogspot.co.il/2012/07/scenarios-for-upcoming-naval-resource.html