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Fri, 10/14/2011 - 13:49 | 1774506 Debtless
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Forgive my ignorance here: Exactly WHO is losing the money/value on the other side of this X trade?

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:15 | 1774592 mirac
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From an earlier ZH article...

 

But you won't hear about it anywhere else, because if the market understands that in addition to a global solvency crisis, America has another Subprime contagion on its hands actually being expressed in the markets as we type, and potentially costing banks, pension funds and various asset managers billions in losses behind the scenes, that may well be the last straw.

Sat, 10/15/2011 - 02:57 | 1776464 Smithovsky
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Tyler, how can we trade these PrimeX CDS thingamajigs?

Sat, 10/15/2011 - 05:47 | 1776573 jeff montanye
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me too.  i'm only an mba, cfa with 15 years managing trust investment portfolios (out in '96) so much on this website is way over my head.  does the etf srs have a part to play?

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:16 | 1774597 Long-John-Silver
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OT but this is important.

Obama sends 100 US troops to Uganda to help fight rebels

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g_k7HxM6K32WKaWD6GNF1...

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:26 | 1774646 john39
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No problem, the US can afford a few more wars, oh wait...

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:40 | 1774691 AustriAnnie
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"additional forces will deploy over the next month."

Of course!  

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:57 | 1774763 spartan117
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Libyan rebels?  Wait, I thought they were on our side.

Sat, 10/15/2011 - 05:52 | 1776576 jeff montanye
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hey, lighten up on obama guys.  he said, explicitly, that he wasn't against wars, just against dumb wars (like irag).  apparently once he got the much better information flowing to a u.s. president, as opposed to that available to fringe bloggers, he found out how much smarter these new wars would be so he started them.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:21 | 1774619 porrannor
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How would one trade it? is there any ETF representing this trade? SRS does not seem to reflect this deep... 

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:37 | 1774682 slaughterer
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SRS is 2X inverse a portfolio that makes up the Dow Jones Real Estate Index (9% SPG, 8% NLY, etc.).  You are not going to get much direct exposure to PrimeX. 

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 15:00 | 1774784 porrannor
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Thanks, So, how would you trade it?

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 16:36 | 1775192 GittyUP
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get a bloomberg terminal.  Or find a broker willing to put the trade in for you.  prob need a few million minimum to get that kind of broker access. 

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:24 | 1774637 TheGameIsRigged
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I agree w/ Debtless....HOW DO WE TRADE IT???  I apologize for my ignorance.  I thought this was a site of mutual advancement ??  Please help the huddled masses....

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 15:59 | 1775024 Scarlo
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This is a site of REAL financial news. You need to figure out how to play it. I don't think anyone wants to hold your fishing rod for you whilst you snooze in a hammock drinking tequilas.

Sat, 10/15/2011 - 05:57 | 1776582 jeff montanye
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you can snooze or you can drink tequila.  not even you can do both at the same time.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 17:36 | 1775421 kaiserhoff
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Short the banks who are most exposed, but I would only do it with options.  The volatility in this market scares the shit out of me, and that will get worse before it gets better.  Follow Reggie Middleton and try to ignore the grammar;)

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:26 | 1774642 Roark_4_Prez
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anyone who took the other side of the short the main b/d's put on. even if b/d's need to mark down their books, they don't care because they are partially hedged here and it is not a complete 1:1 mark down cash:synthetic.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:27 | 1774649 Roark_4_Prez
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or short the mtge reits to play

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:50 | 1774724 J 457
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DRV?

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 16:22 | 1775116 hambone
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Perhaps the destruction of SRS / DRV (nearing all time lows again) is simply a 2nd derivative play on the impending bailouts of the REIT's???  Short CRE / REIT's is definitely not working out so far (down 99%+ over past 3 years).

Sat, 10/15/2011 - 06:41 | 1776608 jeff montanye
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looks pretty good since late july.  the fifty day moving average just crossed the 200 day from below on significantly higher volume.  the weekly chart looks instructive as well.  recently had a reverse split.  see what you think: http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$INDU  (except enter srs and update) 

there are probably worse times to buy an asset than when it is "down 99%+ over past 3 years" and the fundamental case (slowing growth, increased solvency pressure on financial sector, central banks leverage starting to round to 100 rather than zero, etc.) appears to be turning.  oh and it looks increasingly like the credit cycle really did end in 2008 and all this since then seems more and more like a bear market rally (of epic proportion, admittedly).  when the bullish case is endless central bank bailouts, the bullish case is weak.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 19:30 | 1775730 Yamaha
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I have done some research - thanks Tyler - I now get it. Very important.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 13:49 | 1774508 RobotTrader
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Wow.

Does this mean "Risk Off" implosion is coming soon?

And are investors about to dump everything and flee back into Treasuries and the Mighty, Mighty, U.S. Dollar?

Are we going to hear Tom Keene squeal on Bloomberg Surveillance about how the "10-year is now the new 90-day T-Bill?", and Ken Prewitt sit there in slack-jawed amazement?

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 13:54 | 1774529 LawsofPhysics
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Tune in Oct. 26th-28th to find out.  Especially you goldbugs.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:04 | 1774556 tmosley
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Why?  What is happening then, other than the usual OpEx smash?

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:16 | 1774599 macholatte
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I thought October 15 was "End of the World Day". Has it been moved? Did I miss something?

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:22 | 1774626 tekhneek
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Oh do tell.

I love predictions.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:03 | 1774554 slaughterer
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3 rhetorical questions from Robo-trader, obviously.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:07 | 1774568 oddjob
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How does this affect your Netflix?

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 13:51 | 1774509 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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PrimeX is going down faster than a protester punched at the Wall St rally:

http://maxkeiser.com/2011/10/14/cop-punches-occupywallstreet-protester/

Seriously, when are the citizenry going to say enough is enough, USA is turning into the soviet union daily.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 13:54 | 1774531 Mike2756
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Right in front of a bazillion cameras, too. Not wise to do that in the middle of a crowd.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 13:57 | 1774536 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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We both know there will be no justice and the filth will get promotion.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:25 | 1774635 Dr. Richard Head
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The sad thing I hear from the Mainstream right and their devoted followers is that the "Police should open the hoses on those damned hippies."  Fucking retarded comments. Bunch of inmates cheering for their own continued life in a fiat cage and they don't even know it.  I pity and loathe them at the same time - the people cheering for the repression of the 1st amendment that is.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:27 | 1774650 Dr. Richard Head
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At least now the masses of people are gathering for something of importance rather than an iPhone or some shit.....wait what?  Ohhh, people were doing gathering for that too?  Priorities, priorities.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 13:58 | 1774538 TuesdayBen
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If we're going Soviet, let's hope that comes with thinner women.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:10 | 1774577 SheepDog-One
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The women will soon be thinner, but less of them...lets just hope our soviet USSA also has free rotgut vodka to numb the senses.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:22 | 1774623 Ivanovich
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I'll settle for the women of today's Russian Federation.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:12 | 1774583 DosZap
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FunkyMonkeyBoy

http://maxkeiser.com/2011/10/14/cop-punches-occupywallstreet-protester/

Seriously, when are the citizenry going to say enough is enough, USA is turning into the soviet union daily.

When the people that are punched,send the SOB to the hospital.

No way a cop punches a citizen(unless he's being punched/kicked/bitten,physically violated).

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:18 | 1774605 scatterbrains
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That cop was probably being called a lazy fat pig banker goon when he went off swinging... I'm surprised how docile the crowd was.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 15:02 | 1774785 Executioner
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Soon we will know what people fear the most?

A punch in the face or letting the evil-doers plunder his house, families and rest of their lives?

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 13:50 | 1774512 Mike2756
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Euro jumping, must be bullish.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:01 | 1774526 hambone
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Still think it's interesting that the PrimeX plunge coincided w/ the generational lowest mortgage rates...almost like every ARM, every refi, every home purchase will only get more expensive while home prices fall in the face of this sad reality. 

No more levers, no more games, no more stimulative tax policies.  That is Game.Set.Match. for housing.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 13:59 | 1774541 mynhair
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PrimeX is contained.  Timmah has it under control.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:22 | 1774622 EscapeKey
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And the US will avoid a recession.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:01 | 1774547 Iam Rich
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..and this story perfectly times a late day "sshhhwing" in the RUT.  Must be some good news coming out of the G20 this weekend!  BTFR!

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:08 | 1774573 slaughterer
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When does the PrimeX plunge get so bad that some IB has to call a fire sale on its jumbo MBSs?

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:14 | 1774586 Manipulism
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WTF is Primex???

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