"A Time For Choosing"

Tyler Durden's picture

Earlier today we saw several republican candidates debate at the Ronald Reagan Library, to a general response that can best be described as disenchanted, and at worst: outright ridicule (don't get us wrong - this debate is the funniest thing in prime time entertainment until Obama's "This time Keynesianism will work, I promise" aka "Change you can bereave in" speech tomorrow). So speaking of Ronald Regan we decided we would present to our readers this 30 minute clip from a televised address for the 1964 Goldwater presidential campaign. What is most eerie is that the adverse conditions described by Reagan then are almost identically comparable to those in our current deplorable state, nearly half a century later. What is also just as eerie, although probably not surprising, is that while the GOP debates induced mostly a sense of loathing (either for the self, or others), speeches such as this, which actually force the listener to stop and think, are truly a rarity nowadays. Perhaps America should first ask itself what happened to real leadership and real leaders, those it can be proud of, before it rushes headlong to elect the next one.

And just the cliff notes on topic number 1: central planning

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Hearst's picture

Ron Paul.  Ignored, slighted, misrepresented, the only one worth voting for.

john39's picture

Another hoax. Bank on it.

JW n FL's picture

They all have to go... the system is corrupt and one man can NOT save it.. only "We the People" can bring back the rule of law..

Wall Street has NO LAW! and No Sworn Law Enforcement is capable of really putting in an honest days Work!! and harassing poor people while Wall Street Steals Trillions and Washington DC send a HUGE portion of our Tax Base to China for Lobby Dollars does NOT COUNT!!


$16 Trillion Dollars???





Wall Street Aristocracy Got $1.2 Trillion in Fed’s Secret Loans





SEC Covering Up Wall Street Crimes?





How about the $2.5 Trillion in Social Security Bailouts??




here is the latest!


A former vice president for Citigroup pleaded guilty Tuesday to embezzling more than $22 million from the company and funneling the money to his personal bank account.





JW n FL's picture


In the debate of job creation and how best to pursue it as a policy goal, one point is forgotten: Government doesn't create jobs. Government only diverts resources from one use to another, which doesn't create new employment.

Cato institute propoganda!

Less is MORE!!

Do NOTHING and everything will be better!! probelms fix themselves thru greed!

Mr Lennon Hendrix's picture

Keep fighting the good fight, JDub.

bankruptcylawyer's picture

but don't forget , it's the fucking jews!!!!

jeff montanye's picture

what nearly none of the candidates, of either party, will admit: http://www.hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc110905.htm

Paul Bogdanich's picture

Sorry could not make it through the speech.  Sounds good but knowing his record once in power the hypocrisy was unbearable.  That was Reagan's greatest asset.  The ability to profess one thing publicly and believe something entirely different.  I suppose that is a qualification for being an actor but not a statesman.  This guy was a poor excuse.

bankrupt JPM buy silver's picture

What do we need leadership for??? We have Netflix!

eisley79's picture

good points, but reagan was just as horrible as bush, obama, and all the rest of them. 

Him and thatcher led the deregulation charge, of futures and derivatives, and crony captialism we now live in. 

He didnt win the cold war either, the soviets collapsed because they didnt have our mechanisms to steal from the future, through derivatives and the futures, and werent able to keep the game going as long as we have.

Its our time to collapse now, and russia has already suffered their collapse, and rebuilt a real economy, built around natural resources.


End the Fed,

Return the Gold STandard,

and make Capitalism back to what it was meant to be


not, controlled gambling....

mcguire's picture

why not show this clip of reagan??? i mean if we are going to give krugman a hard time...


yes, reagan mentioned a UFO invasion 6 times in his presidency.. 

he also was a huge occultist, a bohemian grove pagan, and devotee of manley p. hall, the infamous luciferian.. "When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft.  The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands, and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy.  He must follow in the footsteps of his forefather, Tubal-Cain, who with the mighty strength of the war god hammered his sword into a plowshare." [Manly P. Hall, 33rd Degree, K.T., The Lost Keys of Freemasonry or The Secret of Hiram Abiff 

see this>>  http://voices.washingtonpost.com/political-bookworm/2010/04/reagan_and_t...

Spirit Of Truth's picture

Here's my idea for a campaign motto/bumper sticker for the Ron Paul campaign:

"Who Is Ron Paul?"

(Like "Who Is John Galt?")

Here's why: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-15-2011/indecision-2012---corn-polled-edition---ron-paul---the-top-tier

Whoops....looks like this is already happening:


Djirk's picture

nice rhetoric but Reagan accelerated the US guvmint debt....cut taxes increase spending, it will trickle down....right

GeezerGeek's picture

History records that the Democrats controlled the House while Reagan was president. They promised spending reductions to go along with the tax cuts but never delivered. The Democrats also stretched out the implementation of the tax cuts, which - according to some - delayed the benefits of the tax cuts (improved private economy) and reduced tax collections. The final tax reform act came about because of a Democratic Senator/basketball player Bill Bradley, not just Reagan. It reduced the tax rate schedule to just two brackets, 15 percent and 28 percent, and eliminated many kinds of deductions. People must recall that it is (or was) Congress that authorizes spending, not the President.

ZeroAffect's picture

Djirk, get some education and stop embarrassing yourself.

"nice rhetoric but Reagan accelerated the US guvmint debt....cut taxes increase spending, it will trickle down....right"

U.S. misery index - High - Start - End - Change

Carter - Jun 1980 = 21.98 12.72 19.72 +7.00


Reagan - Jan 1981 = 19.33 19.33 9.72 -9.61


Obama - June 2011 = 12.76 7.73 12.73 +4.90



zenbones's picture

You really think John Hinckley, Jr shot Reagan to impress Jodie Foster?  That was a message from the powers that truly be and Reagan got it.  Same thing that happened to Jackson.  Couldn't kill him and he still didn't give a fuck.  Happened to Lincoln.  Happened to Kennedy.  Sometimes they die.  Sometimes they don't.

JW n FL's picture

I dont think any of these people are Jewish.. but I am sure there is plenty of blame to go around.. maybe one day you can explain the Talmud to me.. a Goy!


The whistleblower charged that since at least 1993, the SEC had destroyed at least 9,000 "Matters Under Inquiry" that have been closed - including cases relating to Bernie Madoff's humongous fraud, Goldman Sachs's dealings in credit default swaps, alleged financial fraud at Wells Fargo and Bank of America, and alleged insider trading at Deutsche Bank, SAC Capital Advisors and Lehman Brothers. The allegations were first reported by Rolling Stone magazine.




Al Bartlett on energy consumption versus population


David Rockefeller speaks about population control.


DavidPierre's picture



q: Who Runs the Obama White House?

a: ZioNazis

The day after Barack Obama was elected president, the Israeli press proudly proclaimed that the new president had chosen an Israeli, Rahm Emanuel, to manage the new administration. "Obama's first pick: Israeli Rahm Emanuel as chief of staff" was the Ha'aretz headline of November 6, 2008. The controlled press in the United States, however, keeps the American public unaware that Obama's new chief of staff is an Israeli, with terrorist roots and a sworn loyalty to the state of Israel.


eureka's picture

They all have to go - YES - but who can run any 300 Million Monstrocity of a "nation"...?

They all start out like heroes - Reagan, tax crusader no 1 ran up US debt higher than ever.

Young men sign on to soldier - nobly they think, but end as cogs in a machine they don't understand.

THE US ITSELF HAS TO GO - IT IS TOO BIG - too big to keep fair and together - destined for curruption.

There is no salvation for the US - it will crumble - only as a down-sized republic may it be reborn - but who will and can champion and sustain that rebirth?  The People...?

Where is the people? Do we see the people? Who listens to the people? Does the people have a platform to speak from?  All I see is professional talking heads perpetuate status quo.

Will the people occupy Wall Street on September 17 - or will they just watch Anonymous do it -on TV - from the convenience of their armchairs...?

Where is the people?

Is the Tea Party going to Wall Street - or are they ok with bankers fucking the entire US population, as long as tax cuts are secured for their upper middle incomes?

Does the people understand that bankers and Pentagun empire are one, indivisible mafia under the FED under the oligarchs - glued together by personal gain from serving the empire submissively?

Can anyone among the people THINK - as Tyler aledges Reagan could?

I am not impressed by Reagans salvo against taxes and government spending - how can anyone be who knows how he as president ran up enormous debt?

Deficits and war - THAT is the essence of empire - and consequently - if you want individual liberty and low to no taxes - YOU MUST ACT AND SPEAK AGAINST US EMPIRE.

All else is vanity, fruitless, pathetic.

Bob's picture

Will the people occupy Wall Street on September 17 - or will they just watch Anonymous do it -on TV - from the convenience of their armchairs...?

Funny that The Tylers have had nothing to say on this one . . . and it is mentioned rarely even by commentors. 



Trimmed Hedge's picture

For some reason, American voters really don't prefer short, whiny, nasaly Texans who speak the truth.

Nor do those who control the elections.

JR's picture

YAHOO POLL (so far)

Which GOP presidential candidate do you think won the Politico/NBC debate? (9/7 8:21 PM)

Rick Perry (3379)


Mitt Romney (2284)


Michele Bachmann (635)


Ron Paul (4785)


Jon Huntsman (897)


Herman Cain (683)


Newt Gingrich (619)


Rick Santorum (259)



UGrev's picture

Doesn't anyone in their IT department know how to do 

... "ORDER BY"

in their SQL statement?  WTF Is up with marginalizing Ron's 10% lead over that fuck stick, Perry..  I guess we know who the media wants for president.

.... Cue Commercial...  

"Hey.. time to change the face on the plutocracy.. the people are catching on to this one..." 

...Cue Programming

"Thank you ladies and gentlemen for voting me your new slave master!!" -Cock Perry

jeff montanye's picture

it is an interesting presentation.  sort of in order of celebrity.  journalism.

UGrev's picture

Every damn, mother-fucking, holy horse shit eating, one legged lesbian of a poll result graph that the MSM puts out shoves Ron Paul in an out of order spot. FUCK THEM !!!

mcguire's picture

jon stewart destroys msm censorship of ron paul  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUXBz6AGJFM

UGrev's picture

Loved the clip.. had to watch it again. 

Christophe2's picture

Hello?  Jon Stewart IS THE MAINSTREAM!  Just because he is likable, people think he is different, that he speaks the truth, when in fact he's just playing one of their roles (just like Alex Jones plays another).  Consider, for example, this analysis on the Stewart/Colbert rallies to 'restore sanity': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQAaz4IvzXo


How can one part of the mainstream claim that the mainstream is ignoring someone?  It's obviously Orwellian doublespeak, yet even the supposedly 'alert' sheeple gobble it up.


Regarding the Reagan clip, I'm not impressed one bit: they always have good things to say (all written by speechwriters) BEFORE BEING ELECTED.  Heck, even Obama said some good things as a candidate, and look at what he became once in office.  Reagan was one of our worst presidents, but it's been long enough now that people somehow forget all the terrible things he did (Reaganomics, huge deficit spending, huge military spending, aliens and the occult, low IQ, etc.).


My guess is that Reagan looks good in comparison to his more recent ilk simply because our economy was less destroyed back then, globalization was just beginning and Hollywood had done less damage to our morals.  Regardless, there is no doubt that he was nothing but a puppet of the NWO, just like the rest.  So what if the puppet made good speeches?  None of them ever end up true.

Pool Shark's picture


If you want a screaming example of media bias, look at the graphic representation of MSN's poll reults:


Paul's bar at 43.3% should be over twice as long as Romney's at 21.6%, but it's barely loner!

UGrev's picture

I noticed that not too long ago as well. When I voted, it was the same length  with RP @ 14k and Romney @8k. I didn't have the energy to rant any further on it.. but now that you brought it up... 



Dingleberry's picture

No way the masses are smart enough to elect someone that speaks the truth.  Voters WANT to be seduced and lied to.  Besides, if anyone actually DID make it to the white house that threatened the thieving banksters and such, how long before that president had an "accident"?

Occams Aftershave's picture

and Paul wins 2:1 in the MSNBC poll:


but they make Romney's green poll result line almost as long, so misleading.  

Shame on MSNBC

A Nanny Moose's picture

they've resorted to using log scale....like with inflation, and the debt.

wisefool's picture

I gotta be honest. I thought Bachmanns campaign was really just tanking for a Palin baton toss. But Perry might actually be blocking/holding for a Ron Paul Statue of Liberty at the end.

One thing I know for sure. The post debate coverage has MSNBC owning themselves worse than any candidate did tonight.

SMG's picture

We need a new anti-oligarchy party. With viable charismatic canidates.  Something worth fighting for.

Troll Magnet's picture

Ron Paul looked a bit out of place tonight but not because of anything he did.  Others have co-opted his message as their own.  And the media has decided that this race is all about Romney vs Perry.  

patb's picture

yet the economy isn't in trouble because of the social welfare state, it's in trouble because of decades of Reaganisms.

Tax cuts on Capital,  Reduced regulations allowing bank fraud to be legal

and Imperial warfare.

candyman's picture

A breath taking from the gut assessment of why America is great! Question the motives of anyone who sees things differently ,  for  they are America haters, dissenters, unionists,  leaches, socialists, who do not agree on the greatness of innovation and individualisim. 

reinhardt001's picture

"Question the motives of anyone who sees things differently".  well aren't you the living and breathing embodiement of the american spirit.  

narnia's picture

I'm proposing a joint Drudge, ZH, Infowars & Russia TV- alternative media debate.  2 hours.  Economic & Foreign Policy issues only.  Real moderators with real questions.

lolmaster's picture

Ron Paul: blames America for 9/11. Next.

Dangertime's picture

Ron Paul is the only candidate that asked why they attacked us.  Something that only a Leader could truly ask.

Eevn the CIA recognizes "blowback".

The worst thing about the US, is that they allow morons like lolmaster to vote.



Zola's picture

All Americans reading Zerohedge need to get off their ass and campaign in 2012.  This will be their last opportunity before a serious collapse.

Cognitive Dissonance's picture



Perhaps America should first ask itself what happened to real leadership and real leaders, those it can be proud of, before it rushes headlong to elect the next one.

Sadly the programming and conditioning of my fellow Americans is much improved and immensely more effective today than 50 years ago. Critical and independent thinking has pretty much been bred out of the average consumer and any remaining citizens were all shot at dawn.

DavidPierre's picture


1947-53:  The so-called Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC) begins its assault on the constitutional rights of American citizens in Hollywood in an attempt to ensure that only "right" thinking individuals work in the most powerful propaganda instrument in the country. Among the alcoholics, paranoics and general headcases on the HUAC is Nazi war criminal escape facilitator and Mafia cash recipient Richard "Tricky Dick" Nixon.  Closeted homosexual gay basher and cross-dresser cum FBI Director J. "Edna" Hoover addresses the Committee and states that communism is being spread by "the diabolic machinations of sinister figures engaged in un-American activities." Old J. Edna sure had a way with words, didn't she?


Third-rate actor, Ronald "Bloodbath" Reagan, who, like most avid hawks, has never been anywhere near the warfare he is so eager to inflict on others, shows far more inclination to dive into the great stage-managed battle against the mythical evil of communism as a snitch and stool pigeon. Reagan becomes registered informer T-10 for the FBI. He patriotically delivers the names of colleagues in the Screen Actors Guild who might be harboring impure thoughts. At J. "Edna" Hoover's request, the heroic, freedom-loving Reagan will later reel off the names of "disloyal" actors and actresses at a secret session of the House Un-American Activities Committee.