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"A Time For Choosing"

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Earlier today we saw several republican candidates debate at the Ronald Reagan Library, to a general response that can best be described as disenchanted, and at worst: outright ridicule (don't get us wrong - this debate is the funniest thing in prime time entertainment until Obama's "This time Keynesianism will work, I promise" aka "Change you can bereave in" speech tomorrow). So speaking of Ronald Regan we decided we would present to our readers this 30 minute clip from a televised address for the 1964 Goldwater presidential campaign. What is most eerie is that the adverse conditions described by Reagan then are almost identically comparable to those in our current deplorable state, nearly half a century later. What is also just as eerie, although probably not surprising, is that while the GOP debates induced mostly a sense of loathing (either for the self, or others), speeches such as this, which actually force the listener to stop and think, are truly a rarity nowadays. Perhaps America should first ask itself what happened to real leadership and real leaders, those it can be proud of, before it rushes headlong to elect the next one.

And just the cliff notes on topic number 1: central planning


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Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:13 | 1644705 Hearst
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Ron Paul.  Ignored, slighted, misrepresented, the only one worth voting for.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:17 | 1644716 john39
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Another hoax. Bank on it.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:23 | 1644735 JW n FL
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They all have to go... the system is corrupt and one man can NOT save it.. only "We the People" can bring back the rule of law..

Wall Street has NO LAW! and No Sworn Law Enforcement is capable of really putting in an honest days Work!! and harassing poor people while Wall Street Steals Trillions and Washington DC send a HUGE portion of our Tax Base to China for Lobby Dollars does NOT COUNT!!


$16 Trillion Dollars???




Wall Street Aristocracy Got $1.2 Trillion in Fed’s Secret Loans




SEC Covering Up Wall Street Crimes?




How about the $2.5 Trillion in Social Security Bailouts??



here is the latest!


A former vice president for Citigroup pleaded guilty Tuesday to embezzling more than $22 million from the company and funneling the money to his personal bank account.



Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:31 | 1644762 JW n FL
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In the debate of job creation and how best to pursue it as a policy goal, one point is forgotten: Government doesn't create jobs. Government only diverts resources from one use to another, which doesn't create new employment.

Cato institute propoganda!

Less is MORE!!

Do NOTHING and everything will be better!! probelms fix themselves thru greed!

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:36 | 1644780 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Keep fighting the good fight, JDub.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:46 | 1644813 bankruptcylawyer
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but don't forget , it's the fucking jews!!!!

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:51 | 1644824 jeff montanye
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what nearly none of the candidates, of either party, will admit:

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 00:00 | 1644842 Paul Bogdanich
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Sorry could not make it through the speech.  Sounds good but knowing his record once in power the hypocrisy was unbearable.  That was Reagan's greatest asset.  The ability to profess one thing publicly and believe something entirely different.  I suppose that is a qualification for being an actor but not a statesman.  This guy was a poor excuse.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 00:10 | 1644869 spiral_eyes
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Here's my Ron Paul campaign material:

The Independent Case for Ron Paul

The Progressive Case for Ron Paul 

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 00:15 | 1644881 bankrupt JPM bu...
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What do we need leadership for??? We have Netflix!

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 00:36 | 1644926 eisley79
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good points, but reagan was just as horrible as bush, obama, and all the rest of them. 

Him and thatcher led the deregulation charge, of futures and derivatives, and crony captialism we now live in. 

He didnt win the cold war either, the soviets collapsed because they didnt have our mechanisms to steal from the future, through derivatives and the futures, and werent able to keep the game going as long as we have.

Its our time to collapse now, and russia has already suffered their collapse, and rebuilt a real economy, built around natural resources.


End the Fed,

Return the Gold STandard,

and make Capitalism back to what it was meant to be


not, controlled gambling....

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:18 | 1645015 mcguire
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why not show this clip of reagan??? i mean if we are going to give krugman a hard time...

yes, reagan mentioned a UFO invasion 6 times in his presidency.. 

he also was a huge occultist, a bohemian grove pagan, and devotee of manley p. hall, the infamous luciferian.. "When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft.  The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands, and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy.  He must follow in the footsteps of his forefather, Tubal-Cain, who with the mighty strength of the war god hammered his sword into a plowshare." [Manly P. Hall, 33rd Degree, K.T., The Lost Keys of Freemasonry or The Secret of Hiram Abiff 

see this>>

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 00:34 | 1644920 PsychicWebbah
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Get your own blog numbnuts.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 12:45 | 1646629 Spirit Of Truth
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Here's my idea for a campaign motto/bumper sticker for the Ron Paul campaign:

"Who Is Ron Paul?"

(Like "Who Is John Galt?")

Here's why:

Whoops....looks like this is already happening:

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 04:10 | 1645275 Djirk
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nice rhetoric but Reagan accelerated the US guvmint debt....cut taxes increase spending, it will trickle down....right

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 07:20 | 1645398 GeezerGeek
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History records that the Democrats controlled the House while Reagan was president. They promised spending reductions to go along with the tax cuts but never delivered. The Democrats also stretched out the implementation of the tax cuts, which - according to some - delayed the benefits of the tax cuts (improved private economy) and reduced tax collections. The final tax reform act came about because of a Democratic Senator/basketball player Bill Bradley, not just Reagan. It reduced the tax rate schedule to just two brackets, 15 percent and 28 percent, and eliminated many kinds of deductions. People must recall that it is (or was) Congress that authorizes spending, not the President.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 14:47 | 1647158 ZeroAffect
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Djirk, get some education and stop embarrassing yourself.

"nice rhetoric but Reagan accelerated the US guvmint debt....cut taxes increase spending, it will trickle down....right"

U.S. misery index - High - Start - End - Change

Carter - Jun 1980 = 21.98 12.72 19.72 +7.00


Reagan - Jan 1981 = 19.33 19.33 9.72 -9.61


Obama - June 2011 = 12.76 7.73 12.73 +4.90

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 16:12 | 1647584 zenbones
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You really think John Hinckley, Jr shot Reagan to impress Jodie Foster?  That was a message from the powers that truly be and Reagan got it.  Same thing that happened to Jackson.  Couldn't kill him and he still didn't give a fuck.  Happened to Lincoln.  Happened to Kennedy.  Sometimes they die.  Sometimes they don't.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 00:00 | 1644843 JW n FL
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I dont think any of these people are Jewish.. but I am sure there is plenty of blame to go around.. maybe one day you can explain the Talmud to me.. a Goy!


The whistleblower charged that since at least 1993, the SEC had destroyed at least 9,000 "Matters Under Inquiry" that have been closed - including cases relating to Bernie Madoff's humongous fraud, Goldman Sachs's dealings in credit default swaps, alleged financial fraud at Wells Fargo and Bank of America, and alleged insider trading at Deutsche Bank, SAC Capital Advisors and Lehman Brothers. The allegations were first reported by Rolling Stone magazine.

Al Bartlett on energy consumption versus population

David Rockefeller speaks about population control.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 00:01 | 1644844 DavidPierre
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q: Who Runs the Obama White House?

a: ZioNazis

The day after Barack Obama was elected president, the Israeli press proudly proclaimed that the new president had chosen an Israeli, Rahm Emanuel, to manage the new administration. "Obama's first pick: Israeli Rahm Emanuel as chief of staff" was the Ha'aretz headline of November 6, 2008. The controlled press in the United States, however, keeps the American public unaware that Obama's new chief of staff is an Israeli, with terrorist roots and a sworn loyalty to the state of Israel.


Thu, 09/08/2011 - 05:06 | 1645309 johngerard
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Evil Jooz

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 00:39 | 1644933 eureka
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They all have to go - YES - but who can run any 300 Million Monstrocity of a "nation"...?

They all start out like heroes - Reagan, tax crusader no 1 ran up US debt higher than ever.

Young men sign on to soldier - nobly they think, but end as cogs in a machine they don't understand.

THE US ITSELF HAS TO GO - IT IS TOO BIG - too big to keep fair and together - destined for curruption.

There is no salvation for the US - it will crumble - only as a down-sized republic may it be reborn - but who will and can champion and sustain that rebirth?  The People...?

Where is the people? Do we see the people? Who listens to the people? Does the people have a platform to speak from?  All I see is professional talking heads perpetuate status quo.

Will the people occupy Wall Street on September 17 - or will they just watch Anonymous do it -on TV - from the convenience of their armchairs...?

Where is the people?

Is the Tea Party going to Wall Street - or are they ok with bankers fucking the entire US population, as long as tax cuts are secured for their upper middle incomes?

Does the people understand that bankers and Pentagun empire are one, indivisible mafia under the FED under the oligarchs - glued together by personal gain from serving the empire submissively?

Can anyone among the people THINK - as Tyler aledges Reagan could?

I am not impressed by Reagans salvo against taxes and government spending - how can anyone be who knows how he as president ran up enormous debt?

Deficits and war - THAT is the essence of empire - and consequently - if you want individual liberty and low to no taxes - YOU MUST ACT AND SPEAK AGAINST US EMPIRE.

All else is vanity, fruitless, pathetic.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 09:29 | 1645711 Bob
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Will the people occupy Wall Street on September 17 - or will they just watch Anonymous do it -on TV - from the convenience of their armchairs...?

Funny that The Tylers have had nothing to say on this one . . . and it is mentioned rarely even by commentors. 


Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:23 | 1644733 Trimmed Hedge
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For some reason, American voters really don't prefer short, whiny, nasaly Texans who speak the truth.

Nor do those who control the elections.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:26 | 1644746 JR
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YAHOO POLL (so far)

Which GOP presidential candidate do you think won the Politico/NBC debate? (9/7 8:21 PM)

Rick Perry (3379)


Mitt Romney (2284)


Michele Bachmann (635)


Ron Paul (4785)


Jon Huntsman (897)


Herman Cain (683)


Newt Gingrich (619)


Rick Santorum (259)


Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:50 | 1644823 UGrev
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Doesn't anyone in their IT department know how to do 

... "ORDER BY"

in their SQL statement?  WTF Is up with marginalizing Ron's 10% lead over that fuck stick, Perry..  I guess we know who the media wants for president.

.... Cue Commercial...  

"Hey.. time to change the face on the plutocracy.. the people are catching on to this one..." 

...Cue Programming

"Thank you ladies and gentlemen for voting me your new slave master!!" -Cock Perry

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:53 | 1644828 jeff montanye
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it is an interesting presentation.  sort of in order of celebrity.  journalism.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 00:01 | 1644847 UGrev
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Every damn, mother-fucking, holy horse shit eating, one legged lesbian of a poll result graph that the MSM puts out shoves Ron Paul in an out of order spot. FUCK THEM !!!

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:36 | 1645055 mcguire
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jon stewart destroys msm censorship of ron paul

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 02:15 | 1645122 UGrev
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Loved the clip.. had to watch it again. 

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 10:00 | 1645839 Christophe2
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Hello?  Jon Stewart IS THE MAINSTREAM!  Just because he is likable, people think he is different, that he speaks the truth, when in fact he's just playing one of their roles (just like Alex Jones plays another).  Consider, for example, this analysis on the Stewart/Colbert rallies to 'restore sanity':


How can one part of the mainstream claim that the mainstream is ignoring someone?  It's obviously Orwellian doublespeak, yet even the supposedly 'alert' sheeple gobble it up.


Regarding the Reagan clip, I'm not impressed one bit: they always have good things to say (all written by speechwriters) BEFORE BEING ELECTED.  Heck, even Obama said some good things as a candidate, and look at what he became once in office.  Reagan was one of our worst presidents, but it's been long enough now that people somehow forget all the terrible things he did (Reaganomics, huge deficit spending, huge military spending, aliens and the occult, low IQ, etc.).


My guess is that Reagan looks good in comparison to his more recent ilk simply because our economy was less destroyed back then, globalization was just beginning and Hollywood had done less damage to our morals.  Regardless, there is no doubt that he was nothing but a puppet of the NWO, just like the rest.  So what if the puppet made good speeches?  None of them ever end up true.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:19 | 1645022 Pool Shark
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If you want a screaming example of media bias, look at the graphic representation of MSN's poll reults:

Paul's bar at 43.3% should be over twice as long as Romney's at 21.6%, but it's barely loner!

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:28 | 1645041 UGrev
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I noticed that not too long ago as well. When I voted, it was the same length  with RP @ 14k and Romney @8k. I didn't have the energy to rant any further on it.. but now that you brought it up... 



Thu, 09/08/2011 - 00:01 | 1644848 Dingleberry
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No way the masses are smart enough to elect someone that speaks the truth.  Voters WANT to be seduced and lied to.  Besides, if anyone actually DID make it to the white house that threatened the thieving banksters and such, how long before that president had an "accident"?

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:29 | 1645043 Occams Aftershave
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and Paul wins 2:1 in the MSNBC poll:

but they make Romney's green poll result line almost as long, so misleading.  

Shame on MSNBC

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 02:59 | 1645213 A Nanny Moose
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they've resorted to using log with inflation, and the debt.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:29 | 1644758 wisefool
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I gotta be honest. I thought Bachmanns campaign was really just tanking for a Palin baton toss. But Perry might actually be blocking/holding for a Ron Paul Statue of Liberty at the end.

One thing I know for sure. The post debate coverage has MSNBC owning themselves worse than any candidate did tonight.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:36 | 1644778 SMG
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We need a new anti-oligarchy party. With viable charismatic canidates.  Something worth fighting for.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:55 | 1644833 jeff montanye
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fight for charisma!

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 00:08 | 1644866 Troll Magnet
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Ron Paul looked a bit out of place tonight but not because of anything he did.  Others have co-opted his message as their own.  And the media has decided that this race is all about Romney vs Perry.  

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:05 | 1644984 UGrev
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for those who missed it:

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 00:52 | 1644959 patb
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yet the economy isn't in trouble because of the social welfare state, it's in trouble because of decades of Reaganisms.

Tax cuts on Capital,  Reduced regulations allowing bank fraud to be legal

and Imperial warfare.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:18 | 1645020 candyman
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A breath taking from the gut assessment of why America is great! Question the motives of anyone who sees things differently ,  for  they are America haters, dissenters, unionists,  leaches, socialists, who do not agree on the greatness of innovation and individualisim. 

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:35 | 1645057 reinhardt001
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"Question the motives of anyone who sees things differently".  well aren't you the living and breathing embodiement of the american spirit.  

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:29 | 1645042 narnia
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I'm proposing a joint Drudge, ZH, Infowars & Russia TV- alternative media debate.  2 hours.  Economic & Foreign Policy issues only.  Real moderators with real questions.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:52 | 1645089 lolmaster
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Ron Paul: blames America for 9/11. Next.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 06:55 | 1645381 Dangertime
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Ron Paul is the only candidate that asked why they attacked us.  Something that only a Leader could truly ask.

Eevn the CIA recognizes "blowback".

The worst thing about the US, is that they allow morons like lolmaster to vote.



Thu, 09/08/2011 - 05:55 | 1645340 Zola
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All Americans reading Zerohedge need to get off their ass and campaign in 2012.  This will be their last opportunity before a serious collapse.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:18 | 1644712 Cognitive Dissonance
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Perhaps America should first ask itself what happened to real leadership and real leaders, those it can be proud of, before it rushes headlong to elect the next one.

Sadly the programming and conditioning of my fellow Americans is much improved and immensely more effective today than 50 years ago. Critical and independent thinking has pretty much been bred out of the average consumer and any remaining citizens were all shot at dawn.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:32 | 1644768 DavidPierre
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1947-53:  The so-called Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC) begins its assault on the constitutional rights of American citizens in Hollywood in an attempt to ensure that only "right" thinking individuals work in the most powerful propaganda instrument in the country. Among the alcoholics, paranoics and general headcases on the HUAC is Nazi war criminal escape facilitator and Mafia cash recipient Richard "Tricky Dick" Nixon.  Closeted homosexual gay basher and cross-dresser cum FBI Director J. "Edna" Hoover addresses the Committee and states that communism is being spread by "the diabolic machinations of sinister figures engaged in un-American activities." Old J. Edna sure had a way with words, didn't she?


Third-rate actor, Ronald "Bloodbath" Reagan, who, like most avid hawks, has never been anywhere near the warfare he is so eager to inflict on others, shows far more inclination to dive into the great stage-managed battle against the mythical evil of communism as a snitch and stool pigeon. Reagan becomes registered informer T-10 for the FBI. He patriotically delivers the names of colleagues in the Screen Actors Guild who might be harboring impure thoughts. At J. "Edna" Hoover's request, the heroic, freedom-loving Reagan will later reel off the names of "disloyal" actors and actresses at a secret session of the House Un-American Activities Committee.
Thu, 09/08/2011 - 00:02 | 1644853 jeff montanye
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yes.  reagan gave me the heebie-jeebies too.  avuncular fairy tale teller/really out of the loop on iran-contra.  helped the rich get richer and tried to make the poor have children.  ike was better, by a mile.  

a friend said he liked paul's rhetorical remark about keeping out illegals with barbed wire and machine guns but remembering that what first keeps some out can later keep others (and/or their capital) in.   the friend said no one in the audience or commentators seemed to get it.


Thu, 09/08/2011 - 00:45 | 1644947 Juan Wild
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"The concentration of the power of the Press has long since made a mockery of whatever degree of informed democracy we may have once known"  J.R.R. Tolkien 1956

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 00:21 | 1644894 CompassionateFascist
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Communism = "mythical" evil? Ask the 70,000,000 million people the Russian Reds murdered in going from capitalism...back to capitalism. Can't. They're dead. Tens of millions elsewhere. You Red pigJews just won't forgive RR for 86'ing your murderous state-socialist scam. You RedPigJews Jews failed to Gulag humanity from the Left, and now from the are going to lose again. Crawl back under your rock.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:02 | 1644988 ceilidh_trail
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dp- so what's the problem? The pinkos now run everything anyway- and have for the most part since the early 70's. That's why we are where we are.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 07:35 | 1645410 GeezerGeek
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Anyone who refers to communism as a mythical evil is seriously deficient in historic understanding. Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were just the most notable mass murders. It seems to be in their memes that it is appropriate to kill of their own citizens. As for the main topic of the above post, DavidPierre seems to ignore the fact that there were, in fact, numerous infiltrations of American institutions by communists in the late 40s/early 50s. Not just Hollywood was a target. Remember Alger Hiss? Learn from history or suffer the consequences.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 07:36 | 1645411 GeezerGeek
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Anyone who refers to communism as a mythical evil is seriously deficient in historic understanding. Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were just the most notable mass murders. It seems to be in their memes that it is appropriate to kill of their own citizens. As for the main topic of the above post, DavidPierre seems to ignore the fact that there were, in fact, numerous infiltrations of American institutions by communists in the late 40s/early 50s. Not just Hollywood was a target. Remember Alger Hiss? Learn from history or suffer the consequences.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:35 | 1644775 cynicalskeptic
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You're naive if you think that ANYONE running for President in the last 50 years on the Republican or Democratic Party ticket hasn't been fully vetted by the powers that pull the strings.....  The two party system is a carefully staged construct to give the ILLUSION of choice when none exists.  

For all the whining about Obama, he's been more Bush than W was - same people running the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan - with expanded 'interest' in Syria, Libya, the Sudan and more (all part of the neo-con wet dream list).  He's even pusihing the Iran threat - whihc even W refused to go along with Cheney on.  We have the same people running the nation's financial affairs - FED and Treasury policy are unchanged - throw money at the banks and Wall Street - screw Main Street.  NOBODY was held accountable for ANYTHING illegal and new 'regulations' are a sham.

Bush screwed the pooch big time and made a Republican unelectable but Obama was an establishment 'Manchurian candidate' put in to deflect support away from any REAL progressive who might have gotten elected on the wave of popularr outrage.  He talked 'Hope and Change' but delivedred neither - rolling over time after time pandering to big money.  The looting of American continues unabated.

It seems that the ONLY time you get a candidate speaking the truth they are third party - and have to be self financed like Perot.  But he spoke the truth about 'free trade' costing this nation its middle class and owed nobody.  Maybe he wasn't so nuts when he stopped his last run - claiming his family had been threatened.  The power elites don't like people they can't control.  

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:47 | 1644815 kridkrid
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Perot was one of them. It was time for a democratic president. Perot split the republican vote to do it and then tanked his big debate on NAFTA vs Al Gore. It's interesting to compare the elections of '92 and '12.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:17 | 1645016 jeffersonWorthington
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Chip Tatum explains how he was asked to intimidate Perot to make him drop out. He refused but we can assume someone else took the job.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:51 | 1644819 Conax
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Ross Perot was going good, getting all this support, then he picked a VP that was senile or wacked on something.

Admiral Stockdale. Elders here will recall his silly ass debate performance, which helped torpedo Perot's chances. He was saying,"Who am I?, Why am I here?" and nobody got the joke.

Perot ended up siphoning votes off of Paw Bush, and Clinton won with only 43%.

C'est la vie.

edit: Kridkrid in first, sorry.. stole my thunder :)

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:54 | 1644831 kridkrid
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Not exactly. Perot was doing well (Winning!) until he dropped out of the race. When he re-entered he was no longer a threat of actually winning. I don't believe he ever intended to win. Just my opinion.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 00:08 | 1644865 Conax
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I agree he didn't want to win. There was a rumor that he hated Bush for not allowing his Viet Nam trip regarding MIAs. He supposedly told him he'd cost him the election, right to his face. More conspiracy stories.. I luv em.

all coming back to me now...

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 00:27 | 1644902 Rodent Freikorps
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Perot was a plant.

I remember his "Republican dirty tricks" bullshit, as well has claiming the Dems had unfucked themselves.

He was a Dem in independent clothing and the proles ate it up.

Perot sucks ass.

Anyone who voted for him was a naive fool. I knew many personally. I was doing flight training then, and many normally intelligent people got sucked into his lies.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:12 | 1645003 Anonymouse
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Stockdale was not senile.  Maybe out of his element, but not senile.

"Who am I? Why am I here?" was a rhetorical question, setting up an introduction of himself.  There was absolutely nothing wrong with that and it burns my butt that people use that against him (though Phil Hartmann's parody was funny)

Yes he also had trouble with his hearing aid ( due to hearing loss from serving his country.  That service which led to his being awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor, by the way.

I'd take him over just about anyone else in government in the past 20 years (with maybe 3 exceptions: Paul, DeMint, and 1 I'll keep in reserve in case I can think of anyone else deserving).

The man is deserving of far more respect than he is given and far more than the "public servants" in DC now

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 03:42 | 1645251 Religion Explained
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Regardless, it was sophomoric. Get some prep-h for that burn.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 03:42 | 1645250 blunderdog
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It's interesting that Stockdale's performance at the debates would be described later as "senile or wacked on something."

The guy turned off his hearing aid.  He had a great record and was probably one of the smartest guys on stage, but he obviously couldn't participate in a teevee debate.  He wasn't at all prepared.

If we *collectively* as a nation agree that you have to look good on teevee in order to be a decent person, you can rest assured that:

1) we'll never have a decent President ever again

2) we should just come out and assert that 85% of the population is unfit for any kind of position of responsibility or importance

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 02:02 | 1645099 Rick Masters
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Well said. Why dont u run for Pres? Id vote fo ya CD

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 12:07 | 1646470 jemlyn
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Perhaps America should first ask itself what happened to real leadership and real leaders, those it can be proud of, before it rushes headlong to elect the next one.


So we ask ourselves?  So what?  The election is on the calendar, rushing at us.  Where are the real leaders?  Asking ourselves doesn't provide any leaders.  Stupid statement.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:16 | 1644713 kito
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Tyler sounds like youre saying things really arent different this time. Geez, and all along i thought td was calling for the end of fiat as we know it, which as far as i can tell, really would be just a bit different since reagans speech

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:18 | 1644722 JW n FL
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'Muslims are the problem, not multiculturalism'

The Euro always was going to fail and other goodies! from German Professor of Law Karl Albrecht Schachtschneider


Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:19 | 1644724 Conrad Murray
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Well, if we're going to do classic speeches, let's get these in the mix:

Robert Welch -
Eisenhower -

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:21 | 1644726 lolmao500
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Goldwater was awesome. Ron Paul is the only logical choice. All the others will do buiness as usual.

First item on Ron Paul list should be to bring back the troops home, all of them. Then arrest all the war criminals running around and try them in front of all the country and the world. Use anti-terrorism laws if necessary. (Clinton, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Obama, Holder, Hillary, Biden, Bernanke, Kissinger, etc... ) Expose all their crimes and fraud.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:29 | 1644757 Cognitive Dissonance
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May I suggest that you misunderstand the power of the Presidency? Or maybe I should say you misunderstand the lack of power of the Presidency.

For the last 50 plus years, since they began shooting Presidents and other social leaders via mind controlled "lone gunmen" scapegoats and manipulated cover stories, the President, once in office, takes his orders just like the rest of us. They just have bigger toys and all the help their ego needs to believe they are one calling the shots.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:47 | 1644812 alien-IQ
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and don't forget the post-presidency lifetime supply of hush money to go out there and promote the illusion that they actually mattered.

it's all one giant charade. a play in every sense of the word. scripted, rehearsed and complete fiction.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:00 | 1644983 cynicalskeptic
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Not to mention participation in the Carlyle Group and other endeavors that make you rich enough not to have to worry about money for the rest of your life......     Funny how both Dem and Repub ex-Presidents end up in the same investment circles.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:06 | 1644991 Oh regional Indian
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CD, good stuff. Of course, the presidency has been controlled froma long long tme before the 50 years. And anyone who managed to make it through to the chair and later changed their minds (The charter question for a Bank of the Americas, renew or not), met untimely ends.

For most people, even here, it is hard to imagine the depth of the lie, the great lie that has been fed to them about who they are and more especially, who their idols are.

I popped the cherry.........tree, honest to goodness GeeDub, or warmonger Lincoln.... all cut from the same, controlled cloth.

Waking up is hard to do when you don't knwo you are asleep. HArd to folks readign this to imagine that they are not even "citizens" in the way they understand, merely debt re-payment serfs.


HEY AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 03:27 | 1645235 eureka
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Post a list of the elite - the controllers - and we can all go at them - they'll all be dead within a year.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 09:42 | 1645751 DaveyJones
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so true

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:53 | 1644826 lynnybee
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yes, GOLDWATER was awesome............. i remember .

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 00:02 | 1644852 Homey Da Clown
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I cast my first presidential vote for Barry...... GOLDWATER that is. NOT Barry Obama. Imagine how our country would have been had he been elected and not that ass clown Johnson.  LBJ ran that "Daisy" ad and it was all over. I guess when you take part in knocking off your boss to get the job, everything else is small potatoes.

LBJ continued our Vietnam nightmare, never wanting to win, and created his "Great Society" of trillions in entitlements and social engineering.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:21 | 1644728 Moneyswirth
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Ronald Reagan? Really? What are you a racist or something?


Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:23 | 1644734 cynicalskeptic
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Funny how so many of the issues Reagan ran on in the primaries disappeared when he got the nomination.....   an anti-DC and anti-FED candidate, one who talked of minimizing government did nothing of the kind once elected.

Sadly Ron was more smoke and mirrors than real accomplishment.  He made people 'feel good' - a kindly grandfather that reassured you 'all would be well'.  He ripped solar panels off the White House and partied on with North Slope oil instead of using that largess to wean ourselves from foreign oil.   Instead of moving towards more efficient cars we got monster SUV's.  A former union persident made busting unions a priority - nevermind the real and just complaints raised by overworked air traffic controllers.  Iran-Contra, arms for hostafges, drug running to support forces seeking to restore an oligarchy.... lots of talk about freedom and democracy and the common man but his actions worked AGAINST those causes.  

The rich got richer with Ronnie - and contiinue to do so.   The rest got thrown to the wolves.   

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:33 | 1644771 JSchroe
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"The rich got richer with Ronnie - and continue to do so.   The rest got thrown to the wolves."  


Couldn't have said it any better...that's Reagan's legacy in a nutshell. 

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 00:31 | 1644913 CompassionateFascist
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Reagan and those who supported him brought down the Berlin Wall and the Iron Curtain, liberating hundreds of millions of people from StateSocialistSlavery. And did so w/o blowing up the planet. Despite his well-known failures elsewhere, that's a fair accomplishment.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 00:39 | 1644934 bobzibub
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And old Gorby was just along for for the ride?
To say that Ron "collapsed" the soviet union implies communism is economically viable does it not? I think communism itself brought down the wall.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:02 | 1644985 Rick Masters
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Exactly. It does imply that, ipso facto. Pres. Reagan gets far too much credit for this when it just kinda happened on his would have ceollpased had Howard thr Duck been President. What ruins reagan for me is trickle-down economics. What a sham. Clinto gets the same treatment that he doesnt deserve, Bill Gates deserbes it. He created th jobs not Clinton. But I have to admit liking bioth the men not w that I have lived thru 8 years of Bush and now i'm getting the opportunity again only this time they switchd the party affliliation. Rs, Ds, whatever. Dont know how people can actually subscibe to this nonsense.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 03:30 | 1645239 jez
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I think I actually prefer "ceollpased". So much creativity here!

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:09 | 1644996 cynicalskeptic
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But claiming St. Ronnie brought down Communism (by OUTSPENDING it) makes for good P.R.  

What Ronnie DID do is increase military spending to ridiculous and unjustified levels - making defense contractors VERY profitable.  And to show it was all worthwhile he invaded a miniscule island in the Carribean.  


Of course all that spending haunts us now as a permanent part of the national deficit.   Billions spent for no real reason, although we did teach any number of Central and South American governments how to torture their own citizens - and greatly increased the cocaine supply in the US courtesy of CIA operations.  A collateral 'benefit' was a huge increase in the prison population (incarcerating those selling the cocaine supplied by the CIA which had been converted into crack).   Sidenote - the US has 5% of the world's population - and 1/4 pof the world's prison inmates.  How did the lanmd of the free end up imprisoning a higher percentage of its own people than any totalitarian regime?

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 03:43 | 1645253 blunderdog
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Yeah, but now we have an impenetrable missile shield.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 07:55 | 1645433 Mitzibitzi
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Actually, I was once told by a friend who works in air-defence (I'm ex-RAF) that the US does, in fact, have sufficient anti-ballistic missile resources to do a half decent job of that. Sure, some missiles will inevitably get through, but not all of them by any stretch.Bear in mind, also, that a whole lot of those incoming missiles will be targetted on very recently 'emptied' silos out in the sticks, so it doesn't matter very much if you let those ones through. Lets you concentrate your ABM assets on the ones incoming to population centers (though maybe places like Detroit might not get defended quite so vigorously??)

Does make me wonder whether it's in the back of someone's mind that US ABM defence might actually be good enough to 'win' a nuclear exchange, were it ever desirable to go that route. I hope to God that isn't the case!

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:20 | 1645024 Dirt Rat
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The only thing that collapsed the USSR was that wonderful little excursion in Afghanistan. All those resources wasted. All those soldiers killed. And the common people had no way to protest it until Gorby came along. That outpouring of people's wrath at this pointless war in this pointless place is what started the fall of curtain.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 09:46 | 1645767 DaveyJones
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hauntingly familiar...   

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:51 | 1644825 Rodent Freikorps
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Ronnie was president, not king, and the moronic public gave him a commie congress to deal with.

He did okay.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:11 | 1644998 Rick Masters
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Really? all dems are commies? and anyone who pushes a D button is an idiot? Also, speech and democracies require that when voting for someone you're not subject to baseless lies and character assault. How did you become so ideological that your party affiliation is quasi-religious and that you are at war with words with anyone who disagrees. How old are you may I ask. I am 30. Maybe its a generational thing But How much industrial-sized detergent did they use to wash your brain that you cant see that there is no difference between the parties.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 03:49 | 1645258 Religion Explained
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Iono, maybe Tea Party peeps and their unwavering push to shrink the government is different. No?

Oh not all dems are commies, but they are either tools or thugs. Just saying...

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 16:09 | 1647566 Rick Masters
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Really the tea party is different? They are just useful idiots for the republicans the same way the moveon crowd are useful idiots for the dems. If they are so different why are they not running a candidtae and instead running under the republican ticket. All it is a astroturf orgnization made to look spontaneous when it couldnt be further from the truth. In any event, they are all 70 year olds who wont be alive in 20 years and maybe not five. They are a blip.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 00:04 | 1644855 NullShrub
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I work for a large manufacturing business.  1987 was the best year in our companies history.  Blue collar workers were making over 50K a year for factory work.  This was because of the accelarated depreciation given our products in the Reagen tax code. 

When the first Bush took over in 1988 and passed a bipartisian bill to raise taxes on "The Rich" it tanked our business for over a decade.  Thousands of blue collar workers were let go, never to return.  Those that remained have never made the same money they made under Reagen. 

It's not just our business.  The same effort to "tax the rich" by Bush I eliminated the tax deducibility of interest on a boat.  Our community was home to iconic American boat / yacht manufactures for decades.  They all were forced into bankruptcy in the effort to tax (screw) the rich so blue collar workers weren't thrown "to the wolves."  All the men who built those yachts were fired, never to return.

Your're an idiot and Reagen was a god.


Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:15 | 1645010 Rick Masters
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Yes Yes YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS the solution to our problems is to make sure the rich never pay taxes so they hire people. Time for some basic lessons in supply and demand which has an expontial difference in conditions then tax cuts. But I really don't believe you; its just to convenient. But what else could I expect from someone who thinks a president is a god for his postion on tax cuts. wow just wow

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 03:56 | 1645262 Religion Explained
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Ok, now yer gettin on my nerves. You want to tax me? FU. You want to steal the fruits of my labor, luck or my progenitors? Again FU. FU and all who think like you or as my friends down in Texas say, F all y'all. You are nothing but a parasite, or a worthless tool, or both.

You want to have money for retirement? THEN SAVE IT. You want helthcare? THEN PAY FOR IT! And if you can't save enough or afford healthcare, then, again, FU.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 16:12 | 1647580 Rick Masters
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I never said anything of the sort so dont put words in my mouth you arrogant little fucking piece of shit. Stay in your goddamn welfare state and region that payes fewer in taxes yet leeches of the rest of the country by buying senators who will suck dick for mmoney for their parasite constituents you god damn hypocrite. You are the parasite.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 00:05 | 1644860 Homey Da Clown
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Two words for you there skippy





Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:24 | 1645036 candyman
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uh hugh... im dumb fat and blind too,

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:24 | 1644738 eliathan
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Reagan was an actor, he could act.  Obama is cerebral.  All is appearances, but really, we could use a show from Obama to rally the country.  In the meantime, leadership starts in every home.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 02:46 | 1645202 vato poco
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"Obama is cerebral"? really? and you know Is it his spellbinding extemporaneous oratory? Nooo...that can't be it......His off-the-charts Summa grades at college? Noo.....since he won't show 'em to us, it's a safe bet THAT can't be it....Is it the dizzying intellect so evident in the huge body of published, the many many articles he's, the universally-admitted-to-be-ghostwritten "autobiographies", that *paragraph* we know about that he wrote while at Harvard?

Or is it the many many foot-in-mouth gaffes of the sort that "proved" Bush was a moron?

*"57 states"; *Us Navy Corpseman Joe blow"; the profoundly stupid assumption that "Austrian" is a language; "I'm here in St. Louis", when he was actually in....uh...Kansas City; "Israel is a strong friend of Israel's"; "How's it going, Sunshine?!" to the good folks of SunRISE, Fla.; "There was a tragedy in Kansas this week: 10,000 people died" when the actual number was...uh....*12*; and the infamous 'I see dead people' Memorial Day quote: "On Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes - and I see many of them here in the audience today..."

That President is one *seriously* cerebral motherfucker, all right. as he would no doubt tell us, "My cerebralitility is off the muhhfuhhn CHARTS, know what I'm sayin?"


Thu, 09/08/2011 - 03:58 | 1645264 Religion Explained
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How much cerebrum does it take to properly pronounce corpsmen?

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 07:29 | 1645406 stev3e
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<<Obama is cerebral.>>


Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:24 | 1644739 Cheyenne
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I met RR in 1976. I played with Lego's in Jesse Helms' home in Raleigh, NC in the late 1970's, I talked with Sen. John East about Plato's The Cave in the early 80s. I was on the phone with Billy Graham more than once.

Then I checked out.

I wake up when TARP passes, it's Oct. 3, 2008.

I'm still a solid Republican, but I ask: what's with all this bailout shit? I don't remember a footnote in Milton Friedman's work saying "survival of the fittest"--except for large banks. In fact, I recall Friedman repeatedly emphasizing that the Rule of Law was paramount to punish mis-deeds.

And what happens when TARP comes up before Congress the 2nd time--having been roundly rejected in Round 1? Why, Republican traitors change their votes. Cowards!

Then I think, where are the anti-corporate liberals? Surely those guys will be opposed to this outrage, right?


Everyone sold their soul down the river. 

This country changed for the worse in the last 10.000 years, and I got a feeling we're in for some really bad shit sooner than everyone thinks.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:27 | 1644750 nope-1004
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Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:38 | 1645066 aces and eights
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I grew up in a southern political environment too, in the 70s and 80s. Corporate sponsored parties, sporting events, and vacations for the entire family! Back when I was a tween, I could see no difference between the left and right. I didn't know or care what their issues were, I just remember being so disgusted with their non-stop schmoozing and ass kissing. They schmoozed everyone, even kids! Truth is, they've been gaming us for a very long time. Nearly everyone I ran across was crooked as shit, although there were a few good people who tried to improve life for their constituents. 

I fear that really bad shit you mention, and I'm making plans to leave my large city and head to Latin America. There's not a whole lot going on down there, so that's where I want to be. Somewhere peaceful and cheap where the government leaves you alone.


Thu, 09/08/2011 - 02:19 | 1645133 Rick Masters
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II was thinking Germany...Word is they are looking for college-educated professionals. I'm not so sure about the end of the worl Nice story BTW.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:25 | 1644741 digalert
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"the problem with our liberal friends is not that their ignorant. It's that they so much that isn't so"

Ron Reagan

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 04:03 | 1645269 Religion Explained
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.. It's that they know so much that isn't so."

You fail at quoting.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 16:14 | 1647591 Rick Masters
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You win  at being a total douche who pints at little mistakes cause you're a total brain washed loser who probably kisses ass every day at work cause you are wished you had a ...

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:27 | 1644743 Spaceman Spiff
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Now—we're for a provision that destitution should not follow unemployment by reason of old age, and to that end we've accepted Social Security as a step toward meeting the problem. 

But we're against those entrusted with this program when they practice deception regarding its fiscal shortcomings, when they charge that any criticism of the program means that we want to end payments to those people who depend on them for a livelihood. They've called it "insurance" to us in a hundred million pieces of literature. But then they appeared before the Supreme Court and they testified it was a welfare program. They only use the term "insurance" to sell it to the people. And they said Social Security dues are a tax for the general use of the government, and the government has used that tax. There is no fund, because Robert Byers, the actuarial head, appeared before a congressional committee and admitted that Social Security as of this moment is 298 billion dollars in the hole. But he said there should be no cause for worry because as long as they have the power to tax, they could always take away from the people whatever they needed to bail them out of trouble. And they're doing just that. 

A young man, 21 years of age, working at an average salary—his Social Security contribution would, in the open market, buy him an insurance policy that would guarantee 220 dollars a month at age 65. The government promises 127. He could live it up until he's 31 and then take out a policy that would pay more than Social Security. Now are we so lacking in business sense that we can't put this program on a sound basis, so that people who do require those payments will find they can get them when they're due—that the cupboard isn't bare? 


From the speech, still nothing new under sun.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:27 | 1644752 alien-IQ
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Nations rarely get the leaders they want...but they ALWAYS get the leaders they deserve.

In this regard...America is just like everybody else. We get what we deserve. A nation of idiots ruled by corrupt idiots. It's perfect symmetry.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:37 | 1644790 dwdollar
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That's why I believe Donald Trump would make a perfect president.  A bankrupt, amoral, blowhard, who has seen better days, but struts around like he's still the man.  Sound familiar?

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:41 | 1644797 alien-IQ
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yeah but that comb-over is just too embarrassing...even for America.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:44 | 1644803 dwdollar
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As far as that goes...  I'd say Obama's fake gray hair is more ridiculous.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 00:04 | 1644854 Rodent Freikorps
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I think it was the bowing, mommy pants, and the bike helmet that embarrased me the most.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 00:15 | 1644882 Dingleberry
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Agreed. Just think of the skinny, BIG-tittied bitches we would have running around the white house!!!  Plus he could do the Miss America shit in the West Wing.  Now THAT'S change I can believe in!!!!

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:30 | 1644759 Yes_Questions
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Perhaps America should first ask itself what happened to real leadership and real leaders, those it can be proud of, before it rushes headlong to elect the next one.

They won't, though.  The electorate is Eloi clay in the hands of the political class right about now.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:33 | 1644769 Moneyswirth
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Sadly, there will be people out there who will actually watch Obama's campaign speech tomorrow, thinking he's acutally contributing something constructive.


Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:22 | 1645028 Rick Masters
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Sadly the day will never come when I can punch you in the nose. Just my thoughts. Im so tired of you and your ilk playing with peoples lives cause you lost an election. Talking about you want your country back. Your a whiney little kid cayuse thats how kids act. Didnt get my way so Ill make sure everyone suffers til I do. Thios country is great and you are permanently ruining it perhaps. That makes me sick. Obama is not the devil. Bush wasnt either. They are humans. I hated the dems that had no respect for Pres. Bush and you are just like them. Think about it maybe u can change be surprised if you ever had a but of self reflection.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:24 | 1645033 ceilidh_trail
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Is this the new civility bo wanted? just askin...

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 02:27 | 1645151 Rick Masters
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You speak of cvility while at the same time insulting our President. BO. He stinks. Clever clever. And yes he is you president and people should respect that but the GOP has become so vile since Obama was elected it defies imagination. Yet you preach civility. I preach one thing: not being a wimp and take this GOP onslaught of civlity by being civil. FTSHIT. BTW, I said the same thing about Pres. Bush to dems. 9/11 changed us and for the worst. Thats the only thing I can think of as I have only really lived under 3 Presdients. Don't know if Clinto deserves that repsect but Bush and Obama do.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 04:06 | 1645270 Religion Explained
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You're a blithering eeeeeeeeediot, stimpy. Now kindly stfu.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 16:15 | 1647596 Rick Masters
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Well at least im not a spinelss tool and douche bag like you.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:33 | 1644770 dwdollar
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Who is this guy?  Can I vote for him?

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:34 | 1644772 Real Estate Geek
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The days when the 1939 dollar still had 45% of its purchasing power?  They didn't know how lucky they were.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 05:08 | 1645312 Sudden Debt
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Somewhere in 2020....


Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:36 | 1644781 stiler
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America is still the shining "City on a Hill", a beacon to the rest of the world. It's just being held under a bushel.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 02:30 | 1645159 Rick Masters
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But all will be right when a GOP party functionary gets the job. I would have respected the TeaParty if not for the fact that they didnt care when Bush was doing the spending now that a Dem is doing it it is the end of the world. So, in essence, Ameri9ca is great as long as your guy wins?

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 09:31 | 1645719 gwar5
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Tea party was not even around under Bush. And many of those same people did vote for Dems in 2006, disillusioned with Bush. Big mistake. Since the Dems took over congress the national debt has doubled with the new debt limit -- in just 5 years. Hence the need for a Tea Party movement in 2009 after bank bailouts and Porkulus.

The fact that both parties hate the Tea Party movement ought to tell you it is a threat to TPTB. 




Thu, 09/08/2011 - 09:32 | 1645722 gwar5
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Tea party was not even around under Bush. And many of those same people did vote for Dems in 2006, disillusioned with Bush. Big mistake. Since the Dems took over congress the national debt has doubled with the new debt limit -- in just 5 years. Hence the need for a Tea Party movement in 2009 after bank bailouts and Porkulus.

The fact that both parties hate the Tea Party movement ought to tell you it is a threat to TPTB. 




Thu, 09/08/2011 - 11:51 | 1646402 ZeroAffect
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Rick, take the time to read all the severe complaints lodged by conservatives and others regarding the deficit spending by GWB. Severe criticisms, Rick. And, who wants another party functionary as POTUS? The MSM and party leaders, that who wants another party functionary. The odds are high that will happen to us again if we vote for someone that is acceptable to the MSM or party leaders. So resist their lies and at least vote against whomever they chose, Democrat or Republican.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 16:17 | 1647604 Rick Masters
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I agree and will take the time to see more of the criticisms you speak of.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:39 | 1644783 bankonzhongguo
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Great piece.  I was never a big Reagan fan, but hell we need something.

And it sure as hell is NOT Obama, Clinton, Romney, Perry, Palin or that other lady that buys votes for the straw poll.

I am voting for Ron Paul, if for nothing else to prove that the TPTB will kill a principled statesman constitutionalist just in the same way they are killing you and yours.

Fuck Democrats.  Fuck Republicans.  Any dumb shit that is still holding onto those parties - you are part of the problem and that especially names the so called "Press."  Hey moron.  Dancing with the Stars is on and your children are going to have it worse than you.

Ron Paul 2012.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:44 | 1644805 X.inf.capt
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Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:37 | 1644786 jubispupper
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What a hell of a speech.  Shame no one in Government listened fifty years ago.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:45 | 1644811 StormShadow
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Or now for that matter


Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:45 | 1644806 finhead
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Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:14 | 1645008 X.inf.capt
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you copy


Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:50 | 1644817 sellstop
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Reagan. The great deficit spender.

Do yourself a favor. Look at a graph of the US debt for the last 100 years. Notice where it starts that sharp move up? 1980.

Yea, Raygun. A real American hero.

The best thing to happen to Reagan was Alzheimers. That was what made him politically untouchable after he left office.


Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:53 | 1644829 Ms. Erable
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That would be disconcerting if the president actually had the power to spend money on behalf of the country.

You must be a Huffpo plant, what with your 'ignore the message, attack the messenger' slant on this speech (which you probably didn't even take the time to listen to). Ignorant dipshit.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:18 | 1645019 X.inf.capt
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l thought congress approved budgets....

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:30 | 1645044 Ms. Erable
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They do, but don't try telling that to some of the people around here - they'll just respond with "klintun balincided teh bujet and bewsh rekided it" or some similar tripe that was read to them from some libtard's blog.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:19 | 1645014 ceilidh_trail
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sellstoptyping- You do know that he was stuck with a dem congress that would not stop spending? You know, kinda like you not pushing back from slow dancing with barney frank?

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 04:08 | 1645272 Religion Explained
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Ignore this hippy.

Wed, 09/07/2011 - 23:55 | 1644834 Rodent Freikorps
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Reagan was the first president I got to vote for.

I love that guy.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 01:10 | 1644999 reinhardt001
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reagan, the great gregarious dolt.  if anything can deliver this nation to its salvation it is surely a man that can rote memorize long speeches, play a cowboy on tv and hawk Borax with the best of them.

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