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Timeline Of Fiscal Catalysts In The Second Half Of 2011 And After

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Now that Ben Bernanke has made it clear that monetary intervention is on hold (supposedly...at least according to the FOMC minutes; what happens at Jackson Hole is not so clear), that monetary stimulus is on hiatus (if one can call a 2 year ZIRP extension and duration cut hiatus), the economic renaissance ball is deep in the court of fiscal policy. But unlike the Fed, where events by now are so finely and quantitatively nuanced courtesy of the the If=>Then logic of the Fed (no matter how troubled or failed), with the economy now in the hands of politicians, this more than anything could be a reason for everyone to really panic. That said, below is a blueprint of what Congress is "supposed" to doto not throw the economy into a tailspin, and also what it has to do to avoid a repeat of the debt ceiling fiasco once again (which as everyone knows by now buys $2.4 trillion in deficit funding in exchange for $22 billion in deficit cuts).

From Goldman Sachs

The Fiscal Timeline for the Second Half of 2011 and Beyond

This week's appointment of members of Congress to the Select Joint Committee on Deficit Reduction (referred to by many as the "Super Committee") will be only the first of several developments related to fiscal policy over the coming weeks and months. Most of the upcoming activity is likely to relate either directly or indirectly to the recently enacted Budget Control Act (BCA), which cut spending, raised the debt limit, and instructs a Super Committee to develop additional proposals to save $1.2 trillion over ten years, to be voted on by Congress before year end. However, Congress still faces the expiration of the payroll tax cut enacted in late 2010, and emergency unemployment compensation (EUC), both of which are set to expire at year end. What follows is our annotated timeline of upcoming fiscal events over the rest of this year, as well as a few selected events in 2012:

Mid-August: Super Committee selections. House and Senate leaders had until August 16 to announce their appointments to the Super Committee but finished this stage of the process a few days early. Over the last few days, Senate leaders have appointed their members, as has House Republican leadership. House Minority Leader Pelosi announced her choices today, completing the first stage of the process. There has been a good deal of commentary in the media on what the composition of members might mean for the likelihood of a compromise, but while the individual members of the committee will play a role in shaping the agreement, it seems likely that major decisions will be heavily influenced by congressional leadership just as the fiscal debates up to this point have been. That said, it is worth noting the chairmen of the Senate Finance, House Ways and Means, and House Energy and Commerce Committees have been appointed to the Super Committee. Collectively they oversee tax policy and most entitlement spending in both chambers of Congress. This should allow for greater coordination between the Super Committee and the members of Congress and their staff with expertise in the areas of the budget most likely to be targeted for savings.

Late August: CBO and OMB budget updates. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) usually releases its mid-year Economic and Budget Outlook report in late August. CBO's update is likely to include a lower projected deficit for FY2011 than the $1.399 trillion it last projected in March (we forecast a deficit of $1.275 trillion for FY2011). The White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) is well past its soft deadline of July 15 for releasing its Mid-Session Review (MSR). The administration has projected a much higher deficit for FY2011 of $1.645 trillion (10.9% of GDP), which is likely to come down in the MSR, though the risk to OMB's FY2012 deficit projection of $1.1 trillion is to the upside. The budget numbers may also reflect new economic proposals, discussed below.

Late August/Early September: The White House unveils new fiscal proposals? Congress returns from recess on September 6. Around this time, the President is likely to unveil new economic proposals dealing with job creation and deficit reduction. This could happen as part of the MSR release, noted above. It could also in some cases occur independently. The President and other administration officials have indicated on several occasions over the last two weeks that new proposals will be forthcoming over the "weeks ahead." The administration has solicited ideas on how to manage properties that Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the FHA have acquired through foreclosure, and it is possible that other housing-related measures could be in the offing. In addition to the payroll tax cut extension that the administration has continued to press for, it is possible that the President could also unveil additional measures meant to stimulate hiring or investment (he took a small step in this direction last week with a proposed tax credit for the hiring of veterans). Proposals requiring congressional approval look most likely to be addressed in the Super Committee process.

September 16: Super Committee process begins. The committee must hold its first meeting on or before this date. We suspect the committee's activity won't become intense until October.

September 21: Symbolic debt limit vote. The President activated the first $900 billion installment of new borrowing capacity with a submission to Congress on August 2, the day he signed the BCA into law. $400bn of that increased capacity takes effect immediately. Congress has 50 days from the date of that announcement (August 2) to pass a resolution of disapproval to rescind the $500bn in borrowing authority remaining in the first installment. However, if Congress passed such a resolution, the president would surely veto it, in our view. Since it is very likely that Congress would not have the two-thirds support in both chambers to override a veto, the entire exercise would be symbolic.

October 1: Fiscal Year (FY) 2012 begins. The House has passed most of its appropriations bills for the coming fiscal year, but at a level lower than the spending cap that was agreed to in the legislation enacted last week. The Senate has not yet passed any appropriations legislation. If appropriations legislation is not passed by October 1, most agencies will be funded through temporary stopgap measures known as continuing resolutions. In theory, disagreement over the level of funding for FY2012 could prompt renewed fears of a government shutdown similar to the debate that occurred in early April of this year. However, in light of the fact that Congress just agreed to cap congressional appropriations at $1.043 trillion for the coming year, it is more likely that stopgap funding will be provided at the same level as the recently agreed to caps, reducing the risk of a shutdown.

October 1 to December 31: By December 31, the House and the Senate must both vote on a Balanced Budget Amendment (BBA) to the Constitution. Adopting a constitutional amendment requires a two-thirds vote in both chambers, and the BBA is unlikely to get this, particularly in the Senate. If by chance Congress actually adopted a BBA, it would still require ratification by three quarters of the states, which would probably take several years and might not occur at all.

October 14: Relevant committees may send recommendations to the Super Committee. Whether this will actually occur is unclear, since (1) proposals to cut spending or raise taxes are usually unpopular, and some committee chairs may be disinclined to submit recommendations that the Super Committee is not compelled to accept in any case, and (2) most of the potential deficit reduction measures that are not related to congressional appropriations (appropriations were dealt with through the discretionary spending caps enacted in the BCA) are under the jurisdiction of the House Ways and Means, House Energy and Commerce, and Senate Finance Committees, and the chairmen of all three will serve on the Super Committee.

November 23: The deadline for Super Committee approval. In order to forward legislation to Congress for expedited consideration, a majority of the Super Committee (i.e., 7 of the 12 members) must vote for it. While the outlook for this process is still very uncertain, we expect a majority of the group to agree on recommendations and for those to be submitted and passed by Congress. This is because (1) there is great pressure on incumbent politicians to demonstrate that the political process can function, and stalemate in the committee could have negative political consequences for both parties; (2) last week's S&P downgrade of the US sovereign rating has not changed most politicians' basic policy positions but it has nevertheless added pressure on the committee to reach agreement, and (3) failure to reach agreement triggers automatic spending cuts (or "sequesters," as they are known inside the beltway) that take effect in 2013 that both political parties would like to avoid.

That said, reaching an agreement does not necessarily mean agreeing on the full targeted savings of $1.5 trillion, because if the committee agrees to a lower figure, the savings it does manage to achieve will reduce the size of the automatic spending cuts that take effect in 2013. Given this, there is a high probability that the Super Committee will be able to agree on a few hundred billion in spending cuts, but it is less likely that it will reach its $1.5 trillion target or even the $1.2 trillion minimum goal needed to avoid any of the automatic spending cuts from taking effect in 2013. In the recent negotiations leading up to the debt limit agreement, both parties looked ready to compromise on $400bn or so of cuts to Medicare, Medicaid, and a variety of mandatory spending unrelated to health care (for example, changes to agricultural subsidies, federal pensions, and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac guarantee fees). Cuts along these lines seem likely, with some additional provisions possible; switching federal programs to a chained CPI could save as much as $300bn more, for instance. But to go beyond this would probably mean cutting Medicare or other entitlement programs (and perhaps targeting a few tax expenditures) in order to spare defense and non-defense appropriations from cuts in 2013. As the savings agreed to by the committee begin to mount--probably well before the committee reaches $1.2 trillion in savings--lawmakers may opt either to let the automatic cuts do the rest of their work for them (perhaps with the thought that they will return to the issue before cuts take effect in early 2013) or they might decide to replace what remains of the front-loaded automatic cut with a back-loaded cut to the same general areas.

The November 23 deadline will also be important because inclusion in the Super Committee's recommendations appears to be the most likely avenue for enactment of new economic stimulus measures and/or extension of existing measures like the payroll tax cut and EUC, since it will be easier to offset the cost of the bill with other deficit reduction measures as part of this process than in standalone legislation. Thus, a successful committee process actually reduces the likelihood of additional fiscal contraction in the next two years, since it would increase the likelihood of a payroll tax cut extension for 2012 and would probably reduce the size of automatic spending cuts in 2013.
December 9-23: Congress votes on the Super Committee recommendations. If the committee is able to reach agreement and approves legislation for Congress to consider, the BCA lays out a timeline that effectively means that the legislation would not be ready for consideration by the full House or Senate until as late as December 9. The BCA lays out an expedited process for considering the legislation from the Super Committee, involving a simple majority vote in both chambers by December 23, with no amendments allowed to the bill.
December: Another debt ceiling increase. In order to activate the final $1.2 trillion installment of the debt limit increase under the BCA, the President must once again certify to Congress that the debt subject to limit is within $100bn of the limit. This seems likely to occur by December. This would set up another symbolic vote on a resolution of disapproval.

December 31: Payroll tax cut and emergency unemployment compensation (EUC) expire. Our forecast assumes extension of the payroll tax (worth $110bn per year) but not EUC (worth roughly $45bn per year). As noted above, the best shot for extending these measures is inclusion in the Super Committee proposal.

January 15, 2012: Deadline for enactment of the Super Committee legislation. The President must sign the Super Committee's legislation into law by January 15 to avoid automatic spending cuts.

October 1, 2012: FY2013 begins. The BCA limits FY2013 appropriations to $1.047 trillion, an 0.4% increase over the FY2012 level.
November 6, 2012: Presidential election.

December 2012/January 2013: Borrowing capacity exhausted? One of the interesting aspects of the BCA is that it increases the Treasury's borrowing limit by a greater amount if the Super Committee surpasses its minimum goal. If $1.2 trillion in savings is achieved, the total debt limit increase amounts to $2.1 trillion, which is likely to last until December 2012 or January 2013. On the other hand, if the committee is able to agree on $1.5 trillion or more in savings, the debt limit increase would total $2.4 trillion, with commensurate adjustment to the debt limit increase if the committee proposal that comes in between those two amounts. The upshot is that if the committee proposal saves $1.2 trillion or less, the next vote to increase the debt limit could coincide with debate over extending the 2001/2003 tax cuts and the automatic spending cuts called for under the BCA.

December 31, 2012: 2001/2003 tax cuts scheduled to expire. Our budget projections assume that the upper income portions of the 2001/2003 tax cuts will expire after 2012, but that the rest will be extended through the end of the decade. The former is worth roughly $700bn over the next ten fiscal years, the latter is worth roughly $3.1 trillion. However, there is a great deal of uncertainty regarding how these provisions will be dealt with, since this issue is unlikely to be settled until after the election (in a lame duck session of Congress in late 2012, or even potentially in early 2013) and because the issue could potentially interact with debate over another debt limit increase and/or congressional intervention in the automatic spending cuts that might take place at the start of 2013.

January 3, 2013: Automatic spending cuts take effect? If the Super Committee is unable to agree on at least $1.2 trillion in savings (including associated interest savings), or its recommendations are not enacted, defense and non-defense appropriations would be cut further from the already-reduced levels called for under the BCA's spending caps. In addition, Medicare and a few other mandatory spending programs--but not Medicaid, Social Security, or most low-income programs--would face across the board spending cuts. If the Super Committee were to fail to achieve any savings, the automatic cut would work out to $109bn from early 2013 (the actual effect on outlays in 2013 would be slightly smaller as some cuts take time to phase in).

 

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Fri, 08/12/2011 - 14:28 | 1554977 Green Leader
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Steps to properly embalm a corpse.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 23:36 | 1556392 Green Leader
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That's morbid. Good embalmers can bring life-like thrills at the wake, like what we will see with the Dollar:

http://www.primerahora.com/velan_muerto_en_motora_en_hato_rey_(ve_video)-383502.html

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 14:29 | 1554983 narnia
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You forgot at least one planned emergency before the end of the year that will require swift and bold fiscal handouts.  

These clowns have to raise a lot of money before the 2012 election cycle.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 14:37 | 1555021 spiral_eyes
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Paul Krugman now actually saying we need more inflation:

http://azizonomics.com/2011/08/12/krugman-calls-for-more-riots/ 

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 14:29 | 1554987 GiantWang
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This is crazy.  How much time and wasted effort to accomplish nothing?  And how can the dollar ever collapse when any other currency exists?  I mean, if the dollar is the least bad option, then it should eventually go through the roof, right?

So why is the worry about hyperinflation and the Fed printing?

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 14:47 | 1555051 DeweyLeon
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Interesting, just as it would've been hard for my great-grandfather to believe gas would ever cost $3.50 or Gold worth $2,000. It will be hard for my great-grandchildren to believe a loaf of bread was ever less than $100 or that gold was able to be bought by average men.

The dollar just keeps falling without ever failing because it will never be the worst option in a world awash with paper.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 21:41 | 1556188 Lord Koos
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Just like I'm sure 50 years ago the Italians could not imagine that today 1000 Lira = $0.75.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 15:43 | 1555285 CrashisOptimistic
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The issues are this:

1) The deficit projections are expecting far better GDP than exists.  This is going to smack tax revenue, and the uptick in unemployment will do the same.  This is EVERYWHERE.

2) The downtick in Brent, that is recovering this week, should goose results for a week or two.  It might make August revenues look better than they should.

3) There Is No Money To Pay The 120 Billion dollars the Social Security Payroll PREMIUM (it's premium on an insurance policy, not a tax) Reduction Costs.  It Must Expire.

4) For all other programs proposed, see item #3.  There Is No Money To Pay For Anything.  (If you pretend there is, you will exhaust the debt ceiling pre election day)

 

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 14:30 | 1554994 Cdad
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And coming around the final turn, QE3 is in the lead, but losing steam.  Buying Opportunity is now riderless but in second.  Global Growth Story is now lagging badly...and coming up from the rear...Mutual Fund Redemption.

Mutual Fund Redemption is driving hard....

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 14:40 | 1555031 SheepDog-One
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All glue horses, but I like ZIRP the best, swayback nag but can really put a move on with a generous pre-race injection of Hopium.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 14:43 | 1555043 fyrebird
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you guys are funny. as in ha ha, i mean. not the other kind of funny.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 21:29 | 1556164 The Man in Room Five
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Not funny 'ha-ha', funny queer.

I picked up the Kaiser blade... some folks called it a sling blade. I called it a Kaiser blade

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 14:47 | 1555066 Cdad
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I think ZIRP the Magic Horse is running in the next race, dog.  Two year recession, baby...brought to you by the Federal Reserve Bank.

 

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 14:49 | 1555081 SheepDog-One
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Recession within the overall greatest depression. But the banksters and CNBC Clownhorn anchors are doing great and having lots of fun at their caviar stuffed lobster lunches, so all is well.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 15:01 | 1555113 Cdad
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Yep...the script for today at the BlowHorn...all is well.  If that does not cause you to sell equities...nothing will...except for another 20% plunge.

Mutual Fund Redemption being patient...holding back behind the leader...and now in the final stretch...

**Shocker Alert!  Maria Bartiromo has lined up a bull/bull/bull debate for the final hour of the market.  Who would have guessed?**

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 14:33 | 1555007 Sudden Debt
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The US should just buy it's gold back with that 2.8 trillion and default.

The EU should just do something just like it, and default.

 

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 14:35 | 1555016 RobD
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So if the EUC expires then all those on EUC get removed from the UI percentage correct? Cool, what would that put us at sub 8%? Wow I feel better now.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 14:52 | 1555094 SheepDog-One
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Just stop sending all checks to the millions of unemployed and VOILA! 0% unemployment in USSAA+.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 14:38 | 1555027 Cow
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This is all a big circle jerk.  The default scenario where nobody agrees is to get 50% of the reductions from defense and a 50% from Medicare.  Look for the Dems to stall this thing out.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 14:41 | 1555034 SheepDog-One
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Seemingly endless game of musical chairs, and the song playing really sucks but just wont stop.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 14:41 | 1555032 Larry Darrell
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Since the official debt is already 14.602 trillion, and the debt ceiling was only raised 400 billion to 14.694 trillion, someone please explain to me how they won't hit the ceiling again by the end of September at the latest, long before the Super-dee-duper congress even proposes the next round of "cuts" in November.

 

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 14:46 | 1555056 SheepDog-One
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Even better, wait till the retirees, pensioners, social security and food stamp recipients hear where Uber Congrezz made the cuts to!

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 02:58 | 1556608 StychoKiller
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Can gramps even lift a pitchfork these days?  How about putting a washtub (with holes cut in it for vision and a shotgun) over the Hoveround™ and making like a tank?  Congress is in sooo much trouble! :>D

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 16:26 | 1555447 karzai_luver
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owebama has an extra 500 B all hs has to do is say he wants to use it.

 

 

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 14:41 | 1555033 fyrebird
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Totally off-topic (well not really):

Where do the silver mavens buy thier phyz?

TIA

fyre

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 14:44 | 1555048 SheepDog-One
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Whats a maven?

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 14:47 | 1555062 fyrebird
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Someone who is really into it. First-adopters. Cheerleaders.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 14:54 | 1555105 SheepDog-One
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Well I buy my silver from a local coin dealer. Often gives me a good deal, like on a bunch of junk silver he gave me a real cheap deal on, old beat up dimes.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 15:36 | 1555042 fuu
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Fri, 08/12/2011 - 14:53 | 1555096 JLee2027
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QE3 is required to fund the Federal deficit, because no one in the world has the money to buy 1.5 trillion in new debt every year. And that is just the United States Federal Government! QE to infinity is inescapable. They have no choice now. 

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 14:55 | 1555112 SheepDog-One
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Right, basically we're now in a situation where $3+ trillion QE's twice a year are just part of normal economic policy now.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 14:53 | 1555103 kito
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so stocks are rallying, he has said NO to qe3 for now, retail sales havent fallen off a cliff.......how long can a lack of monetary expansion/balance sheet growth be maintained without heading into a deflationary depression? could it be the austrians have overplayed the importance of the keynesian printing presses in masking stability? 

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 14:56 | 1555118 SheepDog-One
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Sure, bankers and CNBC clownhorn anchors are doing fine, so all is well!

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 15:12 | 1555184 kito
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not much of an answer sheepie. 

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 15:18 | 1555194 SheepDog-One
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Well allow me to expand on that then, sure all is well with the 'stock rally', as long as the present 15 year market average we're at impresses you, and you dont mind the all time record high unemployment, bankruptcies, foreclosures, % of people on food stamps....yea other than that WOW all is well! Like you say, as long as the printing presses can paper over the underlying collapse to benefit a few 'important people' yep its all good.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 15:28 | 1555244 kito
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sheepie, im not sure you even read my question. i didnt "say", i inquired as to how its possible, when monetary expansion by the fed is supposed to be the recourse to mask the ills, that the country's ills are still being masked without a flood of liquidity. clearly there is no sharp deflationary spiral downward taking place, which is what we would expect after the presses shut. we would expect more than malaise, which is what we have now. and your quips are lacking any intellectual insight that could assist me with my question.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 15:42 | 1555279 fyrebird
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The ills of the USA are being masked by the greater ills of the Eurozone.

That could go on for a while, as long as it does the old money in Europe will retire to the New World as a relative safe-haven.

This has always been a race to the bottom. Always. The US might have won that one, until the next shoe drops anyway.

Don't know what that portends for the future. Being the least of the dead is still some flavor of decay.

fyre

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 15:56 | 1555342 SheepDog-One
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Right, you asked 'how long can it last'...well thats the big question indeed, smartass. Gee well sorry Im not 'intellectual' enough to answer your question about how long can fantasyland go on for...a week? A month? What was the answer you were looking for?

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 16:14 | 1555406 kito
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how long can a lack of monetary expansion/balance sheet growth be maintained without heading into a deflationary depression?

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 16:22 | 1555435 d00daa
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what the hell are you talking about??  same as 2010, qe ends, market takes a couple of months to sputter, then crashes, driving liquidity into us debt, bad data starts coming in, confirming the slow down, etc etc.

you want an exact timeframe??  really??  anyone that gives you an answer other than "i have no fucking clue" is lying.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 16:35 | 1555459 karzai_luver
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same as it always was---- ignore marks to fantasy ---- same as it ever was.

 

If a collapse happened to a phoney mark did it really collapse?

 

There is no doubt that the big banks are marked to fantasy - why does nobody run in and buy them if they are such a great deal?

Because they and other biz are a box of SHIT that's why.

 

Why are not "big money on the sidelines" beating down the door at Fanny/freddy and Bernake's hole to buy up all that cheap crap they have in the basement?

 

Becuase it's SHIT in a box dressed up to look like choc cherry treats.

 

Kito ---- why the heck don't you own it all now!????

 

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 15:23 | 1555226 Id fight Gandhi
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I'm sure the fed will have some program to prop things up and soon.

All the ducks lining up. Banks going out there way to say all is well, banning short selling, huge daily marker swings.

Once hints are dropped for qe3 the months in-between the release, all bad news will be good as it means a larger package.

But as the us markets have are junkies for fed money, I'd expect over a trillion.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 15:25 | 1555233 FLIP THAT BOND
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Nope, more bond purchases must eventually be made in order to keep rates from rising.  I think it's almost impossible to go more than 2 months without more QE.  Stocks should sell off here which should drive rates even lower, cause that deflationary scare and give a great excuse for QE3.  My target was Aug. 26 with Bernanke's Jackson Hole speech, but the market must sell off more before QE3 and with the bounce in the market the last few days, I'm not sure if it will sell off enough before Aug. 26. Also, the morning before Bernanke's speech a revision of Q2 GDP comes out and if it's anywhere in line with Q1 GDP, it should give Bernanke terrific ammo for QE3 (if stocks have come down by then).

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 16:15 | 1555409 d00daa
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"so stocks are rallying..."  lolwut???

i know you're just itching for a reason to go back to full-on bulltard mode around here kito, but there's no need to just make shit up.

 

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 16:40 | 1555510 karzai_luver
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what is your baseline for retail sales off a cliff?

 

You do have a number for that correct?

 

Do you think outside of a large rock impact they will fall to nothing?

 

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 15:06 | 1555163 GiantWang
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And the Dow could land at 25,000 but the dollar representation buy less than it does at Dow 11,000?

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 15:20 | 1555212 SheepDog-One
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Yep, and people in this country are so dumbed down they equate a stock market number to 'all is well', so while gas and food doubles in price the TV will be saying how great everything is because look at how high stocks are.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 15:14 | 1555195 Cognition
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They forgot to mention one, just like in 1939 when deflation hits and you can't inflat (since everyone knows by now that QE does not work) then start more wars.  Israel and Iran, US and just about any nation that it does not control thru a Central Bank!!

 

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 15:17 | 1555203 SheepDog-One
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Thats right, what most people are missing is whats really going on, ramp up to WW3.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 15:45 | 1555302 fyrebird
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It won't be called WW3, though. It will be global in scope, but disorganized. Small scale, regional, and old hatreds reignited. Class warfare. Lots of mercenary freebooting, anything for a buck.

And so the long decline. Need to shed 6 billion souls some how. I guess.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 15:45 | 1555299 roccman
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If there is food on the shelves and gas at the pumps...QE "whatever the fuck the monkeys want to call it"...is very much in play.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 15:47 | 1555307 jon
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so basically, they passed X amount of debt, before finishing the bill, by passing a bill that promised to pass another new bill.

there's no political capital left here. this is political credit.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 15:51 | 1555324 Smiddywesson
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You forgot a few items;

Late 2011:  The home mortgage interest deduction is eliminated, housing mysteriously rebounds.

January 2012:  All 401k and IRA funds are to be moved into treasuries or to be taxed at the new income brackets.  Market soars.

March 2012: Bin Ladin is found in a bunker with Obama's real birth certificate.  Both are shot and dumped in the ocean

April 2012:  Congressional super committee discovers historical document signed by George Washington saying the U.S. Constitution is "irrelevant."

July 2012:  After the discovery of a cheap means of converting tar sands, a bomb in a Log Cabin truck goes off near the Pentagon, the US invades Canada, calling them a bunch of "maple syrup sucking terrorists."

Oct 2012:  There is no Oct, 2012, the world ended in September.  Sorry, you missed it while watching CNBC.  All you saw was Craemer on your tube in flames screeching "Buy" an instant before everything went dark.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 16:00 | 1555357 SheepDog-One
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Market almost closed for Friday...now they can finally drop the bad news theyve been witholding all day so it can be forgotten by Monday, as usual.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 16:30 | 1555464 sbenard
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Why didn't they just say, "Disaster this way comes!"?

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 19:50 | 1555955 GCT
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My gut tells me this S&P down grade is going to play right into the politicians hands.  We now have a new crisis and politicians have a new scapegoat called the S&P.  Following the European model Austerity is coming to you got it the good ole USA.  Entitlements will be first as both parties have wanted to break that contract with the people and now they have a reason, after all it is not their fault..  We must bring the USA back to a AAA status as we are the leaders fo the free world.  The sheeple will cheer as they sacrifice for the good of the country. Taxes are coming to everyone, not just the rich.  Savings and 401K's will be next as they want it all for the good of the country.  They will take them and issue you an IOU or worse tell the sheeple we need it and you will get it back when you can now retire at the age of 70. This of course is to save the country.  The sheeple will cheer for this.

Gold and silver will be next.  The government will not be able to confiscate it all but they can outlaw it use.  You neighbors will spy on your neighborhood to report you as there will now be a bonus of money offered for all those selfish people.  Smuggling gold across state lines will become a federal offense with stiff penalties.  Dangerous times of price control and labor will cause the once middle class to finally wake up and rebel.  The masses will follow once they loose more and more freebies.  We are in dangerous times indeed.  Never let a good crisis go to waste.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 20:05 | 1555986 ReactionToClose...
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Tyler ... great work.  Who is your trusty, capable assisitant?  You can't be this productive ... no human being .... except, of course, at Goldman Sachs, ..... could possibly be.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 21:11 | 1556126 SPAREPARTS
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Malaise its not, most of us are working and living, we are still out their buying an wanting, maybe not at same hyper-pace. most people are not aware of the possible structural changes heading their way and their are a whole shit bucket of things,job,savings,pensions,SS,medicare,inflation,work till you die,kids in hock,and its endless, This has not come about yet, its in the wings or better yet out in the hall. Know this there is no good way out, but this can go on as long as you play tricks and can fool the people and so far so good very few get the deal, most feel safe and this is temporary. this is gonna take years 3 to 6.

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 00:53 | 1556495 Don Keot
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Well said, extend and pretend.

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 01:59 | 1556544 Jovil
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Compare the value of assets using John Exter's Inverted Pyramid of Assets

 

http://lonerangersilver.wordpress.com/2011/06/08/john-exter%E2%80%99s-in...

Tue, 08/16/2011 - 06:31 | 1564566 Gooserooster
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The United States of America crumbles along with the ponzi scheme monetary system we've all decided to place our faith into.  The bankers are defending their realm by striking out against easy targets world wide, in the hopes of shoring up their broken balance sheets with new spoils of war.

 

This operation in Lybia is by far the most blatant example of an armed robery I've ever seen a Nation participate in.  For the Lybian affair, the U.S., Nato, Europe, etc., they have their program wired tight.  The barrage of bogus propaganda is seemlessly flowing from all outlets, with virtually zero pushback from the citizens who are backing this operation with their taxes.

 

Part of this problem is caused by the total biased nature of the press, which has ceased functioning as the 4th estate.  The press now is simply the government's P.A. system.  The misinformation concerning Lybia is so deep, and complete....if American's saw the truth with their own eyes...they wouldn't believe it.

 

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