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Total Karma Recall: Fisker Pulls All Cars Due To Fire Risk
Last week we reported on the searing woes plaguing the Karma "supercar" of green automaker Fisker, following the most recent episode of automotive spontaneous self-immolation. In fact, things for the company that has so far received $529 million in federal subsidies are so bad that also last week Fisker announced its third CEO hire in the past year (when in a supremely ironic move it hired the former head of the Chevy Volt program Tony Posawatz). As of last night things just went from bad to even worse, following the inevitable next step: a total recall of all Karmas currently on the road. Oh well: nothing that burning, quite literally, severeal hundred more million in taxpayer funding won't solve.
From Jalopnik:
Fisker is again recalling the Fisker Karma hyrbid-electric luxury vehicle after the most recent fire was linked to a faulty cooling fan. There are approximately 1,000 of these EVs on the road and two fires so far this summer.
The most recent fire occurred when an owner parked his car at a Woodside, California grocery store. By the time he was done getting the groceries his car was already on fire. This was the second incident for government-financed Fisker.
Earlier this summer a brand new Fisker was blamed for a house fire.
This is also the second recall from Fisker over a possible fire risk following the recall of approximately 240 vehicles due to an improperly-positioned hose clamp.
Fisker sent an investigator to check out the car and determined a coolant fan near the front wheel well of the car was the cause.
Fisker Media Statement
The investigation located the ignition source to the left front of the Karma, forward of the
wheel, where the low temperature cooling fan is located. The final conclusion was that
this sealed component had an internal fault that caused it to fail, overheat and start a
slow burning fire.
Retailers should be contacting owners soon followed by an official notice from the company
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Their karmas are running-over owners' dogmas...
You didn't start that fire ...
- Barry Obama
We didn't start the fire ...
- Billy Joel
Q: What did one Tyler say to the other Tyler as they were dicussing the futility of govt subsidies while passing a burning car?
A: Thats Karma
Bad Karma.
Some jokers are "showing" their Fiskers at the Concours D' Arrogance this week thinking them to be smoking hot.
Shocking they'd catch fire.
Oh dear, the egos abound, the high testosterone faux pride voltage is nauseating...
wow....lots of anti-innovation here....the only saving grace of american economy besides military stealing of natural resources.
you folks really like bailing out GM and their shitty cars?
old gasoline powered auto industry is gone to China and India .....unless US leads in electric vehicle tech, no way in hell they can compete with Chinese slave factories.
arrogance of ignorance....
We're snapping up electric and CNG powered too by the way.
China fucked up American solar manufacturing but flooding the market with government subsidies.
China won, America lost money on Solindra....
Americans are some naive stupid mother fuckers engaging in "free trade" when the other side engages in "state capitalism".
And Americans want their "Solindra" to lose????? and do what drive 2012 cars for next 20 years in a country planned with automobile centric suburbian living while oil prices sky rocket???
America needs to start sending stupid people to china to retard the progress there and fuck shit up.
AH:
Why, sir that is called having the citizens of la belle france pay to subsidize the production of their aircraft, or ... or ... or (but I doubt that you can get the picture).
I question you this: "where does the electric energy come from for the "electric cars"?"
- Ned
{I concur in your projection of American stupid people towards the Middle Kingdom. Since you are so brilliant on that recommendation, I would believe that you, sir, should show, by the personal example of your dedication to the cause, that you should self-expatriate and effect the retardatoin that you so eloquently espouse.}
{{Go for it, bitch!}}
coal ....america has plenty of it.
oil? US imports 30%....that's why US keeps going to war. when fed prints, inflation appears sooner or later and 30% of inflation is oil price.....steal oil then you can print more and subsidize banksters more.
Dear AldousHuxley, the "automobile-centric suburbian living" was not planned, it was built by private enterprises selling a Dream. Ergo, not state planned, or, what's the new word, central planned.
Ergo your words can't be heard in the current electoral campaign, since they don't address the "hot button issues" this campaing is about and they just mess up the carefully crafted new-speak vocabulary.
To put it differently: nobody wants to hear that China is engaging in State Capitalism, it does not fit the narrative.
+1
No not anti-innovation. Just anti-socialist tax payer subsidised eco loon projects like this, Chevy Volt, Solyndra etc. (see link)
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=422675631117702&set=a.3926792341...
And no we don´t like bailing out GM and their shitty cars! If you want cars made in the US try making the US a viable place to make them.
actually I get it now....THIS IS INNOVATION.....in immolation.
instead of self-immolating like in Italy, Americans created a car to do it for them.
auto-immolation. it is an innovative way to protes and all evidence is burned. genius!
put Robert Rubin in one of these and wait for the fire in front of shittibank.
The Finns must be embarassed for building that defective Elon Musk / Obama scam piece of shit Fisker ashtray.
elon musk is tesla
elon musk is building space -X, Tesla, and solar city....after raking in with paypal. He has his own personal stake in it.
what's your favorite rich person doing with his money? putting them in ultra safe US Treasuries and trying to live off of interest rest of his life?
elon musk is what america needs more of....less paris hilton and george bush type of "wealthy"
You mean 'bad Carma'?
We don't need no water, let the motherfucker burn - burn, motherfucker, burn!
- Bloodhound Gang
actually they did....
made in America remember? and that's why Obama wants it all to be made in China,.... for public safety and all...
Solar-powered cars....now THAT'S what we need. Hey Prez Obama, since your other solar outfits did so well, why not throw some money after that?
Energizer-in-Chief.
solar doesn't require trillions in foreign invasions.
military industrial complex HATES Solar because all of sudden "defense" contracts will be for "defense" only.
where's that ZH post about millions of Americans in poverty? That's because US government spend the money on wars for oil companies.
Al Gore started that fire obama and other dems kept it burning
"WASHINGTON -- A tiny car company backed by former Vice President Al Gore has just gotten a $529 million U.S. government loan to help build a hybrid sports car in Finland that will sell for about $89,000.
The award this week to California startup Fisker Automotive Inc. follows a $465 million government loan to Tesla Motors Inc., purveyors of a $109,000 British-built electric Roadster. Tesla is a California startup focusing on all-electric vehicles, with a number of celebrity endorsements that is backed by investors that have contributed to Democratic campaigns.
The awards to Fisker and Tesla have prompted concern from companies that have had their bids for loans rejected, and criticism from groups that question why vehicles aimed at the wealthiest customers are getting loans subsidized by taxpayers."
in full
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125383160812639013.html
Democrats campaign contributions continue to flow
Fisker's Capital Fundraiser Loses $4.5 Million Case, Is Reportedly Removed
“This investment will create thousands of new American jobs and is another critical step in making sure we are positioned to compete for the clean energy jobs of the future,” said Secretary Chu.
Obama-Supporting Law Firm Advised on Failed Fisker Loan
Wasted 3,000,000,000 ....that's TRILLIONS on Iraq War and they are planning for another at Iran.....
scandals of millions are just distractions to the real corruption....military industrial complex. that's where TRILLIONS get wasted on foreign lands.
Please find somethign larger than that to complain about otherwise, blame is on republicans for spending half of the money in military.
Woodside, California...
One of the wealthiest municipalities in the United States. The "Karma" has certainly found a friendly population in Woodside...some of its residents: Larry Ellison, Ken Fisher, Michelle Pfeiffer, Joan Baez, and Koko, the sign language gorilla.
Did this burned-out electro-car/plaything happen to have a back seat full of plantains ?
1.21 POSAWATTZ?!?!?
What goes around comes around.
http://ericsprott.blogspot.ca/
The Fisker has a fever.
( Algore )
I can't believe you smarmy imbeciles stand idly by while the US government spends trillions attempting to secure a cheap oil supply in the Middle East, or otherwise subsidizing oil companies, killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, yet you get your panties all scrunched up in a huff when the government supports new technologies that could actually break the dependence on foreign oil.
Fisker's problems are no different or worse than any other carmaker -- remember the billions the government spent to bring GM out of bankruptcy and preserve a couple million US jobs? How many recalls a year does GM have? Cars are fucking complicated and to expect a first-time automaker to make no mistakes is just desk-jockey unrealism.
The reason wall street has taken over our economy is because they just collect fees from everyone with no risk. They get their commissions raising money for Fisker and Facebook and every other company whether or not the stocks fail. If they actually do hold an investment that goes bad the government bails them.
Try to go build a company that makes real products -- things won't go perfect and you all can sit in your arm chairs and giggle till the next time lines form at the gas stations.
LOL!! Cooling fan started the fire? No relay? maxi fuse? fusible link wire feed?? Does the fucker pull 60 amps? With NO circuit protection??
The Fiskar boy's just simply dont know how to build a car, much less an electric car. The electric car they are building obviously has zero circuit protection.
Even a fucking fiat has circuit protection, everything has circuit protection, except the Fiskar Karma.
Fortunately for Fiskar, they didn't build that business, some body else did.
So drive that flaming son of a bitch through the front door of the mutha fucka who did...
Fiskartards: Pulse Width Modulation............ Learn it, use it, you are an embarrassment to yourselves!!
Elon Musk - another SillyCon Valley fraudster who cannot build shit.
And it even has... "The base model features an 'eco-friendly interior', including salvaged/reclaimed lumber." - Wiki
Yeah, that ought to help. /s
Sounds like a freakin wagon from the old days. "And the seats come stuffed with authentic straw from a real working farm(smell included)". LOL lefties.
My Dogma ate my Karma and got heartburn.
sounds like they sourced a poor quality fan.
Likely they were in a cash squeeze and decided to save on secondary systems
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisker_Karma
RecallsIn December 2011, Fisker recalled the first 239 Karmas built from July through November 3, 2011, and delivered to the USA, due to a risk of battery fire caused by coolant leak. Of the 239 cars, fewer than fifty had been delivered to customers, the rest were in dealerships, and at that time no car had been involved in a fire. In the report filed by Fisker Automotive with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the carmaker said some hose clamps were not properly positioned, which could allow a coolant leak. “If coolant enters the battery compartment an electrical short could possibly occur, causing a thermal event within the battery, including a possible fire in the [worst] case.” The problem was discovered on December 16 at the Valmet Automotive assembly plant in Finland when workers noticed coolant dripping.[39][40][41]
On January 2, 2012, Fisker announced that most customer cars and cars stocked in dealerships affected by the recall involving A123 Systems-supplied battery packs are back in service. The vehicles have either had brand new battery packs installed or the confirmed repair to the hose clamp assembly undertaken. The remaining customers have been contacted and appointments were made for their replacement battery installation.[42]
On August 18, 2012, Fisker announced it is recalling about 2,400 Karma plug-in hybrids to repair a faulty cooling fan unit.[43]
Consumer Reports test driveOn March 7, 2012, a Fisker Karma purchased for $107,850 by Consumer Reports magazine was taken out for a test drive at the 327-acre (1.32 km2) CR test track facility in Connecticut. The Karma had less than 200 miles (320 km) on its odometer. While performing a routine speedometer calibration check prior to actual road testing, the car broke down and could not be restarted. "We buy about 80 cars a year and this is the first time in memory that we have had a car that is undriveable before it has finished our check-in process."[44]
The fault was traced to a defective battery caused by a misaligned welding robot at the A123 factory. The battery was replaced in a week. A123 is replacing affected batteries in the Karma and 4 other customers to a cost of $55 million. Warranty for the Karma will be extended to 60 months and 60,000 miles in North America.[45][46][47][48]
Fire incidentsA Fisker Karma was involved in a home fire that also burnt two other cars in Fort Bend County, Texas in May 2012. The chief fire investigator said the Karma was the origin of the fire that spread to the house, but the exact cause is still unknown. The plug-in electric car was not plugged in at the time the fire started and it was reported that the Karma's battery was intact. The carmaker released a public statement saying that there was uncertainty and conflicting reports surrounding the event. Fisker Automotive also stated that the battery pack "does not appear to have been a contributing factor in this incident."[49] The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is conducting a field inquiry of the incident, and is working with insurance adjusters and Fisker to determine the fire’s cause.[50]
A second fire incident took place in August 2012 when a Karma caught fire while stopped at a parking lot in Woodside, California.[51][52] According to Fisker engineers, the area of origin for the fire was determined to be outside the engine compartment, as the fire was located at the driver’s side front corner of the car. The evidence suggested that the ignition source was not the lithium-ion battery pack, new technology components or unique exhaust routing.[53] The investigation conducted by Fisker engineers and an independent fire expert concluded that the cause of the fire was a low temperature cooling fan located at the left front of the Karma, forward of the wheel. An internal fault caused the fan to fail, overheat and started a slow-burning fire. Fisker announced a recall to repair the faulty cooling fan unit.[43][54]
Tesla lawsuitOn 14 April 2008 Tesla Motors filed a lawsuit against Fisker Automotive, alleging that Henrik Fisker stole Tesla's Model S hybrid technology and is using it to develop the Karma. Tesla's suit claimed that the design work done for the Model S sedan by Fisker Coachbuild was substandard, and that Fisker Automotive diverted its best ideas to the Karma.[55] On 4 November 2008 CNET News reported that Tesla Motors would discontinue its suit after an interim ruling in favor of Fisker et al.[56] A news release on the Fisker Automotive website stated that Tesla was ordered to pay $1,144,285 in costs.[57]
I like my automotive "thermal events" to occur inside a combustion chamber.
I prefer the back seat.
Some guys thought my ’59 Studebaker Lark and then my ’61 American Rambler Classic were square until they discovered the feature that attracted me to those particular vehicles..
-a fully reclining front bench seat.
humanah humanah
I discovered that (Air cooled engine) Volkswagen Beetle front seats could be easily removed just by manipulating the seat adjustment leaver. I could have the passenger seat stored upside down behind the drivers seat and a custom made mattress rolled out in less than a minute. I had a lot of fun in that car. What was funny was all the Mom's and Dad's that thought a VW Beetle was to small to worry about what could happen to their daughters in it.
So, the Fisker car plant in Delaware won't be going Forward?
What else has Joe been up to on our dime?
In late July, John Hynansky — a longtime friend of Vice President Joe Biden, and a major donor to Biden’s campaigns as well as President Barack Obama’s — was awarded a $20 million taxpayer loan to build a foreign-car dealership in Ukraine.
According to a public summary document, the loan, from the federal government’s Overseas Private Investment Corporation, is for “[u]p to $20.0 million,” and is designed to “expand Winner Import Ukraine’s automobile business, [and] construct and operate ‘Winner Autocity,’ which will have two new, state-of-the-art dealership facilities for Porsche and Land Rover/Jaguar automobiles.”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/17/bidens-good-friend-donor-receives-20m-federal-loan/#ixzz240rkVjqV
how did this dumb irishman ever rise to power?
luck o' the Irish
O'Barry or Biden? ;-)
Obama in Ireland: 'I've come home'http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43132359/ns/politics-white_house/t/obama-ireland-ive-come-home/
ROTFLMAO!!!
Biden, power? I've seen painted cast iron lawn jockeys with more power. He's not allowed to order out so much as a pizza.
Well, Cohaagen, I have to hand it to you. It's the best mindfuck yet.
Get you ass to Mahhhhs
You are what you do. [/kuato]
Open your miiiiind Quaid.....open your mind.
First it was a 'schizoid imbleism', later a 'schizoid ambleism'. (Total Recall)
Gangrene Economy
There is only one viable option to what they are trying to do. And that is Hydrogen.
Instead of giving a couple of hundred million here and there to "hipster-hippie-deadbeat-tech" firms with retarded ideas, they will have to put up around 26 billion to develop a Hydrogen sequestration mecahnism/process....
They spent a couple of trillions on their Zionist-Satanist friends @ wallstreet, so why not go all in on pure tech?
BLOODY MORANS!111oneone
Your point is valid. However, don’t get into a car accident or you’ll end up like this
The Hindenburg Disaster
This is why helium has displaced Hydrogen.
LEMV First Flight
Is bottled hydrogen any more dangerous than propane or gasoline?
Less dangerous since it doesn't like to stick around close to the ground like propane and gasoling vapour.
As I understand it, the problem has nothing to do with a particular tech or idea, but rather a management and production problem of installing a faulty part from a third-party supplier.
How do you propose that using hydrogen as the stored energy will prevent people from cutting corners and making mistakes?
We didn't build that!!!
Those new green energy clown cars sure do give off more CO2 when they decide to self-combust.
Regretfully, this story is old..
http://www.ihatethemedia.com/fisker-karma-hybrid-ev-ignites-in-parking-space-as-owner-returns-from-grocery-runfisker-karma-hybrid-ev-ignites-in-parking-space-as-owner-returns-from-grocery-run
Definitely a Hot issue.
Everything our Gov't touches turns to shit; from education, medical care, agriculture, etc etc, now to automobiles and every other facet of industry.
Apparently, critical thinking and the learning process has been totally replaced by who offers the most bribes,...... errr..... campaign contributions.
Who is John Galt?
The product manager for Chevy Volt
That's what happens when "equality" extends beyond equal rights; when equality becomes equal benefit (sharing the wealth, redistribution etc.) without responsibility to even one's self.
Basically "I demand respect and all that comes with it, even though I've done nothing to earn it- I've still got some "great" ideas and plans."
Just talked with a guy at the local swapmeet about his beautiful 1963 T-bird. Fifty year old car, never caught on fire once.
Why can't Big Auto just make another '65-66 Mustang? Oh, I guess they'd have to engineer it w/ Planned Obsolescence like everything else these days.
Bought ours in 1966 for $2,000. Put way over 100,000 miles on it....body rusted in Midwestern weather so the engine was removed and put into another car.
How far we have fallen in such a short period of time.
Those T-birds w/ the little portholes were sooooooooo cool! Now all the cars look alike.
correction. All the cars for the middle class and lower look the same.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddY4MZCzlks&feature=related
~~~
"In the sweet old country where I come from
Nobody ever works
Nothing ever gets done
We hang fire"
"Working on de Sunday, in refinery.
Make a million for de Texans, twenty dolla me..." -- Rolling Stones, "Luxury"
fake vs real - knowing the difference is sometimes important enough to be worth a moment of your time
"Optional leather seating is available, but it will use much more of the cow hide than would customarily be found on luxury models; hides with scratches and other marks (which should not affect functionality) will be used." - Wiki
So you're shelling out over a 100 grand and the leather seats have scratches and "other marks" (maybe a hoof print and some hair) on them!? Lefties, what a joke.
George Clooney's Fisker's seats have scratches and other marks but those have been the result of the thousands of broads he has banged in it
Optional: Dash mounted steer head
Clooney's getting his freak on in a subcompact that's liable to catch fire!? LOL leftards.
Clooney is only 5'7"
Anyone taller would have to remove their head or feet to fornicate in a Fiskar
Chevy Volt Add- Parody
Karma Police"
Karma police, arrest this man
He talks in maths
He buzzes like a fridge
He's like a detuned radio
Karma police, arrest this girl
Her Hitler hairdo is
Making me feel ill
And we have crashed her party
This is what you get
This is what you get
This is what you get when you mess with us
Karma police
I've given all I can
It's not enough
I've given all I can
But we're still on the payroll
This is what you get
This is what you get
This is what you get when you mess with us
For a minute there, I lost myself, I lost myself
Phew, for a minute there, I lost myself, I lost myself
For a minute there, I lost myself, I lost myself
Phew, for a minute there, I lost myself, I lost myself
Great R-Head song-it pops into my head every time I read /see something about this car. I would like the line to be "this is what you get when you mess w/ free markets" but it does not work. irony here- a pop up ad for a used Fisker(low price of $105K) @ Patrick Dealership in Schaumburg IL appeared when i clicked on this story. I better get up there and snap it up.
I can has Instant Karma Police?
More Hoax and Change for ya!
There is a major news blackout about this in Delaware, where the taxpayers have already lost millions.......
Naming your car Karma is asking for bad karma. They could have named it the En Fuego.
That Renault.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Fuego
maybe we need oRI to explain to us why its karma is bad. A question of the alignment of the stars and the 33rd parallel.
Whatever you do, DON'T eat Frog's Legs! (ORI)
(Karma Chameleons, OTOH, are OK.)
Larry Ellison drives a Honda.
Yet another verb for the ZH dictionary.
Fiskerized;Spontaneous combustion of taxpayer funds.See corzined for private sector
equilvalent.
"...aaaand it's gone."
"That Faceplant stock got fiskerized faster than you can say 'Zuckerzined', BITCHEZ!"
I don't know why people consider cars catching fire such a big deal. After all, the computer industry started the trend a few years back with all those laptops and their battery problems. Next thing you know someone will complain about matches catching fire.
Fires are not indicative of a bug. They're a feature. Just add marshmallows.
The common thread....batteries.
I am big fan of the electric/hybid "concept", with only the hybrid holding its own weight for now. My friend has an early 2000 Prius with over 100,000 miles and get 40-50 miles per gallon. I kown cars being made today can or can be made to do a lot better. Aside from driving a "pussy" car, I'm fine not giving away my money at 19 mpg.
My big gripe though is solar panel implementation. How and why would builders and new homeowners (especially people in the south) not want to supplment their home with solar panel systems? The technology exists and is available. Why?
Although just a "tin hat" theory, its the power companies. Energy, like currency is CONTROL. First, make the the solar indrusty look like a complete failure, augmented with backroom deals by corrupt crony politicians, and failed loan after failed loan, backruptcy...etc. Car makers who produce alternative enegry cars included.
Power companies are jacking rates left and right; where I'm at, 4 times in the last 2 years. Multibillion dollar monopolistic power companies will be damned if your power meter is not being "read" at its full potential each and every month!
I am not saying solar panels will save the world but they can be sufficient to produce an average housholds enery. Solar panel systems implemented on a mass level could kick power companies in the nuts and they know it.
I drive by Solyndra ever day on my way to work. This has a way of altering your beliefs.
Does it look like The Taj Mahal?
RE: SAME AS IT EVER WAS
Would you mind providing the following:
Atomizer is just curious
I'm not preaching electric cars for all, if someone can afford to drive a full size suv or truck 50-100 miles a day, more power to them. I'm just saying a hybrid can get great mpg. You seen the price of gas lately? Do you think it is ever going back down? My point was that there are some fatcat cocksuckers out there that want to make sure the sheeple are hooked on thier energy(and prices).
My co-worker has a turbo diesel VW that gets the same mileage.. with more horsepower. WTF would I buy a hybrid for twice the price?
Have you seen the price of diesel lately?
When I can go 30% more miles than that of a gas car at approx $1.00-$1.25 more than gasoline.. does your point still stand?
You and your "friend" are lying. I know someone with a Prius and the batteries degrade along with the gas mileage.
Ford's new plug-in Fusion may be close to the right idea. Power rates gone up 4 times in the last two years? Thank the 2008 Muslim and his pal Buffett. Buffett owns all the rail lines, blocked the XL pipeline and owns a lot of utilities. Goldman cheated a few utilities and their shareholders back during the interest boom too.
It is co-workers car. I see it every day, so I'm not lying. I'm not saying to go out and buy a prius or that hybrid/electric cars will save the world or us from foreign oil, but hybrids can get great mpg. My main point was that the technology is here to be less dependant of energy(which like currency is control), and there are some people in high places seeing that it fails to adopted on a mass scale(and which would make such technology more affordable also).
I'm all for the technology. I wonder how many model A's were a piece of shit at the beginning. How many rockets blew up before more goes up than blows up now. Hell, car companies are STILL recalling cars because of something fucking up. What a bunch of picky bastards there are who contribute nothing but BS on message boards.
My history may be a little fuzzy but I don't remember the citizens of America being forced to involuntarily surrender some of their money for any model A's that were a piece of sh.....
Hey, that play money could be going to the MIC or Black OPs or some politicians whore. I'd like to have an electric pick up truck that could,
"...go all day long, I'm talkin' ALLL day long". ~ J. Nicholson, Going South,
More money needed to fix this. CHop Chop, Print Bendonkey
Congress should be REQUIRED to drive nothing but Volts & Fiskars.
Karma is a bitch...
Really? They're recalling 1000 cars. Try recalling 8 million cars, Toyota knows how to do it properly.
"Last week, the world's largest carmaker recalled 2,3 million cars in the US with faulty pedals. It has now recalled almost 8 million cars in the US in the past four months."
http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=112494
What do you bet when Toyotas went into a dealership for "free" recall repairs the dealership found many other small items that required repair/replacement for a fee?
Japanese are smart. They knew how to flood their dealerships with car repair customers and pump up their revenues from being shut down in Japan. Wag the freebie to get them into the dealership and catch a high percent of customers spending more money with Toyota.
Turns out nothing was wrong with the pedals, people were just holding down the gas and thinking it was the brake. Once a few incidents were on the news, people started panicking and more and more people were suddenly having a problem with the car "accelerating on their own with the brake pedal held down." Stupid sheep.
Self-immolation has a long-standing history in Buddhist tradition, when faced with dogmatic government dictates.
(whoops. too far?)
Not too far. Wrong thread.
When you have a reliable printer, we can afford waste everything.
Now that the Pontiac division no longer exists, they should buy the brand name Firebird from GM.
Hey, Government money can buy fine cars; when do we get the U.S.A. version of the Trabant?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trabant601deLuxe.jpg
Do I have to wait ten more years or can GM whip me up an electronic/ethanol hybrid based on the Yugo now?
You know some of the Lada's look like the Volt.
http://topicalnews.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/lada-silhouette-vaz-lada-the-silhouette-siluet-automobile-lada-the-silhouette-concept-penalties-of-new-generation-auto-the-vase-serial-release-auto-is-planned-for-2010/
Communists just don't understand markets.
Total Recall: Karma, exploding in a parking lot near you...
A Karma could prove to be a great investment. At this rated, they will become very rare.
Karma ® " campfire kindling".
Caveat Emptor - Let the buyer beware or that the buyers should examine and check for themselves things which they intend to purchase and that they cannot later hold the vendor responsible for the broken condition of the thing bought.
Isn't it interesting that this green revolution keeps tripping over itself ? The Green revolution started in the early 70's, now it's been 40 years and it still can't find a footing.
Anyone ever think that this may be by design ? If you dont support the high price of oil through Petrodollars the worlds reserve currency could fail ?
wink, wink
We had an electric car that was proven and worked (to well I might add circa 1997) and that was back in the 20th century. The 21st century has no room for green energy either. As long as the dollar is backed by oil what do you think will happen with Green ?
Check out the full version movie of the electric car that "worked". As a matter of fact it worked so well that it was crushed because it threatened the worlds reserve currency.
English version Full movie 1hour and 22 minutes http://vimeo.com/19863733
It's a big grid and TPTB seek control every step of the way
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