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Treasuries Plummet To 3 Month Low Yields As Equities Recouple
US Treasuries opened just over an hour ago and are now trading considerably lower in yield. 10Y yields are under 1.84%, their lowest since February 3rd and within a few bps of ther 1.7959% yield lows of mid-December which would all but guarantee a return to the September 2012 2011 low yields. More critically for all those QE-hopers, the massive divergence which we have been vociferously arguing as unsustainable between 10Y yields and the S&P 500 has how collapsed and converged perfectly. From last Tuesday's Bernanke press-conference when he hinted (albeit hedged with chatter of recklessness) that QE was still on the table (which we argued meant that - should the entire world suddenly go pear-shaped, we will step in but until then we are on hold), US equities decided that they should forget fundamentals once again and simply bid the market on nominal price improvement based on fiat-debasement - which enabled a 50 point divergence from reality- which has now completely converged and in fact S&P futures are now 10-15points below the pre-Bernanke-week-hope lows.
10Y Yields are at 3-month lows...
As a reminder, not only are macro data serially disappointing (or simply Schrodinger-ing where impossible to fudge) but while earnings may be interpreted by many as good for Q1 they are merely reflexively biased from a reduced expectation going in and more critically (for those investors who don't have a time-machine - everyone except Tilson), although these quarterly earnings look positive they have done nothing to change 2012 overall EPS estimates as the back-end remains heavily hoped hyped loaded.
Broadly-speaking, US equity futures, Treasuries, and FX markets have stabilized at somewhat convergent levels for now and as the Yuan depreciates (that's the opposite of appreciates Senator Schumer) the most in 3 weeks, we await Europe's open for the real derisking action to begin (especially as we remind readers of the drying-up of collateral for any new ECB funding shenanigans - most notably for the worst nations such as Spain as we noted here).
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Markets always revert to their mean.
Treasuries safe haven!!! lol
Dammit, I had no idea how this might play out so I took profits on my short positions on Friday. Oh well, there will be plenty of time to play it both ways in the months to come, I think, but short term the downside holds much potential.
AH action is all bullshit. BTFD.
You'd have made 130 points on the Dow buying at the lows last night.
With Gold, since 2000, if you'd bought on the asian open and sold at the Asian close, you'd have made 5,000% PROFIT as opposed to a 70% LOSS buying on the US open and selling on the US close.
http://www.chrismartenson.com/blog/gold-manipulated-thats-okay/72892
So, sure, after hours action is bullshit. Not.
DavidC
Treasuries safe haven!!! lol
Sadly, LOTS of people think so.
The last dance of the lemmings?
The ultimate (and final) bubble...
I got my FED in a box....
I hope.
DavidC
And if you are a bull right now, that means a mean mean.
We must repeat ....
What ever became of all those "shovel ready" jobs?
Can you just wait a minute or two?
We've gotta get the Death Panels up and running before the "Shovel Ready" jobs come online.
CW
Anti-austerity governments and it's implication for future money printing in the Eurozone.
http://jmcaule-whatimlookingatrightnow.blogspot.ca/
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S&P 500 timing system returns 289.81% over the past five years.
http://jmcaule-whatimlookingatrightnow.blogspot.ca/
I don't know who Tyler Durden is and although I have questioned his predictions in the past as it took the world a little while to catch up, he is beginning to sound very accurate to my ears.
He's Ben Bernanke, bitchez.
You mean like Fight Club, where he wakes up and realises he and Tyler are really the same guy? That's just sick.
who is the chick being banged in this revelation?
What's the name of Greenspan's wife? Andrea Mitchell?
We're all Tyler Durden
I don't think there's any question Tyler is right. The question is when he will be proved right.
Tyler Durden would say "fuck Martha Stewart. Martha is pollishing brass on the Titanic." That is who Tyler Durden is.
Remember, fear is twice the emotion of greed....
Thirty year at two percent probably. These things go longer and get more crazy than we expect. Who thought nasdaq would hit five thousand? Or SPY trade at a PE of 50?
Shit's gonna be unreal on the downside too. We may get another ten percent return on the long bond this year. I am gonna buy. Full retard seems to be the only way to go nowdays
Who would have thought 25+ STRIPS would return 50% over the last year?
You are thinking small.
Think 10 yr yields at -3% and 30 yr yields at -1%.
No, I don't mean real yields. I mean nominal.
There is simply nowhere else for elderly panic to hide. If you hold all the way down, you'll make a lot of money.
Elderly advice: Buy physical gold and sell GLD for hedge
And pay guards to guard it when you're 75?
What sense would that make?
Hide it in your 75 year old ass,silly. No one is going to search a 75 year old rectum.
12.43pm GMT: According to NET, Andreas Loverdos has stated that if Alexis Tsipras asks for Pasok's support to form a coalition government, then the answer will be a positive one. -- from Elections 2012: Live news blog Athens News
http://www.athensnews.gr/portal/1/55385
With 86.2 per cent of the vote counted, this from The Hindu: Greece set for deadlock after vote against austerity (excerpts):
The two main parties that backed the bailout, the conservative New Democracy and socialist Pasok, said they would need to win the support of additional parties to form a coalition with nearly 86.2 per cent of the vote counted...
Ilias Nikolakopoulos -- the president of the software company Singular Logic, responsible for collecting the data from polling centres -- said at least a third party would be needed to form a majority coalition.
“Even if New Democracy and Pasok form a coalition, their seats will not be enough to form a majority in Parliament since it looks they will drop down to 149 to 150 seats because many of the working-class areas of Athens have still not been accounted for,” he said.
New Democracy was in first place with 19.38 per cent of the vote, or 110 seats in the 300-member Parliament, but was unable to achieve an outright majority after it saw its support drop dramatically because of widespread public anger over austerity measures.
Despite its lead, Sunday’s big winner with a surge in support since the last election was the Coalition of the Radical Left, or Syriza, headed by Alexis Tsipras, who is strongly against belt-tightening measures demanded by the European Union and International Monetary Fund (IMF). Syriza came in second with 16.47 per cent and 51 seats.
Both New Democracy leader Antonis Samaras and Tsipras called for changes to Greece’s international bailout deals.
Unlike Samaras, who is seeking to remain in the euro zone while renegotiating the terms of the bailout, Tsipras has opposed paying back Greece’s debt and is demanding the deal be scrapped.
“The people have answered our proposal to cancel the loan agreement and change the course of the public’s misery,” Tsipras said.
Pasok, the second-largest party in the outgoing coalition government, dropped to a humiliating third place with 13.48 per cent and 41 seats.
Negotiations were expected to begin Monday on forming a coalition.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article3392641.ece
“Greece's two-party coalition, which imposed a harsh austerity program in return for an international bail-out, has been routed, near-complete official figures show.
“The Socialist Pasok party and the conservatives of New Democracy (ND) scored just 32.4 per cent between them, plummeting from 77.4 per cent in the 2009 vote, according to interior ministry figures based on 95 per cent of the vote, early on Monday”. – thewest.com.au
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/business/a/-/world/13615427/greek-voters-reject-eurozone-austerity-in/
367.32 JPY 26.93 Down 6.83%
As of 22:30:15 ET on 05/06/2012.
http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/TSEMOTHR:IND
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/07/us-greece-election-results-idUSBRE84601S20120507
ATHENS | Sun May 6, 2012 10:13pm EDT
(Reuters) - Greece's conservative New Democracy party and Socialist rival PASOK failed to win a majority in parliament, results of 96 percent of the vote in Sunday's election showed.
The results showed the two pro-bailout parties, mauled by angry voters, won only 150 out of 300 seats in parliament.
New Democracy party was leading with about 19 percent of the vote. The socialist PASOK party was in third place, trailing the anti-bailout Left Coalition party.
Party ND LEFT C. PASOK I.Greeks KKE Golden Dawn Dem. Left
% 19.05 16.67 13.30 10.55 8.44 6.95 6.09
TSEMOTHR down 7%+, ES down 1%
1) FED support
2) Real Dumbass Traders
3) It can't happen here, we're the biggest market in the world ... nothing touches US
It was criminally short sighted of the Greeks (or the EU) not to contract with Diebold.
just tweeted
@W7VOA tweeted:
Asia stock dive continues (but this is NOT panic selling): HSI in Hong Kong down 2%in Monday morning trading.Submitted -83239 secs agofrom twitter.com/W7VOA by editor
It's selling with impunity!
Its always funny how bad news makes the Asian and Euro markets bounce down 2% or 3%, but the U.S. market never sells off near that much.
Insert your conspiracy theories here.....
Mugatu,
Just the trading dance. Most important, until the Euro-idiots get to their desks in London - should be any minute now - the colume and liquidity will pick up, just shadow boxing right now.
As Jesse L says, the real money is made on the big moves, like this one is shaping up to be.
Still can't figure if wave 1 or 3 right now, but we will know soon enough.
Note: I am a tape-reading short term trader in 1-5-60 mintute frames...
Also, the "marker" or reaction low is 2686.25 - NDX mini...we will see it again...
Stay liquid my friends...
G
What is frightening is that Asian outflows have been happening for the last week or so, namley India and Indonesia. I think it would be safe to say the Chinese behemoth is about to collapse.
The world is in a very bad place economically. Safe Havens will be USTs and USD again.
As far as QE3.1 just cue HUGE USD (FX) swaps to Europe. Might do nothing though, CDSs, yields, interbank spreads everything is going to blow out. Watching for Greece about to tell the IMF/Germans to go to f*cking hell
Would you take shelter from a hurricane by hiding in the fortified home of a bunch of hungry cannibals?
UST's and USD will eat you alive...but yes, they will protect you from the storm for a short while.
*edit: I originally said angry when I meant hungry...although, both will be very descriptive of citizens the world over by (my prediction) 2013.
I agree. The market will go into a flux, yes USD/UST's will be bid, but confusion will reign.
a massive liquidation trade is about to hit. might break 2011 lows
They would need a government to tell off the Germans. They will be doing nothing but that will be just as effective.
Seems like some people with real money (actually, that should be "shitloads of fiat crap") are getting a tad unnerved, but, surely, the Bernanke, in all his wisdom will conjure a suitable solution. Otherwise, there's an app for that, and I think it's called, "grab ankles and open wide."
Inflation, the third way out of debt: stiff the savers.
But inflation can't erase the unfunded liabilities.
I didn't realize that it was possible to "return" to the future. Is Christopher Lloyd's Delorean involved?
xPat
Please, PLEASE tell me you noticed the stikeout.
And that destroy the people's pensions...
It's always a good idea to protect one's penisons.
Hey Jepicza..... Uh.....never mind
...rain of ruin. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb7PWfP-kD0&feature=related
Well that wasn't much of an impact. And, all before the markets open.
Its rumor time.
Paper is not money , its worth is simply based on the trust that the slaves who must pay back the debt created from printing it, can pay it back...If you want to remain slaves of the bankers & pay for the cost of your own slavery,let them continue to create the money ....the Federal reserve creates only one thing....debt...end the Fed
Money is whatever people want it to be. If jackasses want paper and digital accounts (controlled by a central bank which looks down upon them as a king does to his serfs) as their money, it will be money.
Time to get read to sell those SnP puts and go long silver...
http://silvervigilante.com
Don't forget executive order 6102 does not include silver, unless of course they revise it like everything else
Just for the heck of it, I checked out the Asian/Pacific markets. It's just about 11:00 pm EDT here in NY, but those markets are getting pummeled pretty hard, especially the Nikkei and Hang Seng, both down about 2.5%.
http://finance.yahoo.com/intlindices?e=asia
As a gold/silver hoarder and general anti-establishment type, I'm going to bed with smiles, in anticipation of seeing Becky Quickie with tomorrow morning with some Buffet smooge still in her hair and Joe Ass-Hat Kernan tying to explain why all this is somehow bullish or good for neo-Nazi Mitt Romney's election chances on Shitbox on CNBS.
Have to admit, as much as I loathe Obummer, Romney is my worst nightmare. The man has all the narcissistic and elitist qualities of a modern day hitler.
Seriously, in a SHTF moment, I'd be content with cancellation of the US elections in November and government run by Oblahblah and the prostrate, castrated congress. They'd do nothing of any import, of course, and accelerate the road to complete, catastrophic collapse.
Sure why not? Bring on the collapse. In 20 years my kids should be in the prime earnings years. That should be a kondratieff springtime
And Obama is a man of the people! I think we have heard something similar before....we have to suspend democracy in order to save it?
I think that is pretty much the plan - TPTB are arranging that you have an option but that is so weak that Obama will look good by comparison. They are allowing you to believe you actually have a choice.
The only choice is to vote for a third party or Mr Paul.
we'll all be buying Greek bonds at gun point soon enough...sarc sarc sarc
lol
Dont be suprised, methinks cancelation or corruption of the election is in the plan so its either that or collapse the economy and call economic martial law. They have come too far to stop now
What a mess!
excellent analysis ZH
Looks like a Depression...
Smells like a Depressions...
Walks like a Depression...
Maybe it's still a Depression.
Nah... just "the great recession" according to the legacy media... and that was over back in '09.
Question...
If "the great recession" has been "over" for damn near 3 years, why do we need QEx and ZIRP FOREVER???
"Dead Money Society" Monedas 1929 True Believer and Coin Carrying Charter Member
Hello Bernanke.
Fuck you from Marco Island Florida. I will sit twirling my toes in the sand watching the OWS lynch you. Welcome to your brightest CFR think tank clowns.
go on vacation and buy gold (physical); it will be fun to watch these crooks hang/ get jailed-- just hope it's not wishful thinking as the DHS/ Feds with their gulag laws-- prepare for martial law
Help save the beautiful PAMP Suisse gold bullion and American Eagles from the fire!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_4DPW12ZN4&feature=g-u-u
I don't understand ... The Suisse and the Eagles hold a premium over spot ... why lose the premium - sell the coins and take delivery of 100 oz GC, maintain consistent purity, alloy it for jewelry with known mix. Deliveries in NY increase spot prices and thus increase (over time) the value of your gold.
OT... Meanwhile, the latest national news is Obama kills another "terrorist" with a drone shot in Yemen today.
Fahd al Quso - since I can't post a picture of the poor fucker, you'll have to check the news.
The only thing that came to my mind upon seeing this perp was...
"If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon - Fahd al Quso."
The resemblance is amazing!
They (Obama,Holder) are going to have to keep coming up with Al-Qaeda terrorists because last week we learned that Al-Qaeda is our enemy and not the other 95% of Muslim terrorists (e.g. Maj. Nidal Hasan ). I think Al-Qaeda will be coming out of the woodwork at a rate of at least one per month until the "Obama, I Got Him" movie comes out in October.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/06/us-yemen-attack-idUSBRE8450B220120506
With 97.74% of vote counted ND gets 108 seats, SYRIZA 52, PASOK 41, Independent Greeks have 33 seats, KKE 26 seats, Golden Dawn 21, Democratic Left 19.
Support Bailouts:
108 (ND) + 41 (PASOK) = 149
Against Bailouts:
52 (SYRIZA) + 33 (Independent Greeks) + 26 (KKE) + 21 (Golden Dawn) + 19 (Democratic Left) = 151
Thanks. They should have taken a page out of the American "How to guarantee your election results" playbook. Silly barbarians and their more-than-two-party system. How in the world are you supposed to control so many political parties at once?
For shame, Europe. Bernanke will just give you more free money when you run out of the money that you ran out of when you ran out of all that money for the third time. All you have to do is ensure you keep your "yes men" and GS plants in power. You had 1 job!
Now the bankers' wives will only get near-colorless diamond necklaces for gifts at their villas this summer. I hope you all can sleep at night.
OT:
http://news.yahoo.com/paul-wins-majority-delegates-maine-gop-174422402.html
Anti-austerity governments and it's implication for future money printing in the Eurozone.
http://jmcaule-whatimlookingatrightnow.blogspot.ca/
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Everyone needs to practice walking around with gold up ur ass so u can walk natural. The new gait analyzers at the airports can detect the duckwalk when the ass is full of contraband.
Practice until it feels normal and u can walk natural. I kinda enjoy it now
If I am having a bad day I can just stick a roll up there and add a little excitement to my boring job. I bet i am not the only one practicing for teotwawki. I bet we pass by people every day with gold up their ass and never know it. We need a secret handshake or something
:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO1Q7F23DxM
Get ready gang...Japan about to close, DAX futures next...ES and NQ are not happy...
With apologies to Larry David, ..the markets were angry my friend, like and old man sending soup back at a deli...
Stay liquid my friends...
G
Meanwhile, on the mainstream news: Charles Barkley to Mitt Romney "you're going down, bro."
He knows a hollywood game when he sees one.
'Jim O’Neil, the chairman of Goldman Sachs Asset Management, said the change in European sentiment could be a market positive as investors and politicians face up to new risks.'
Greedy goldman rubbing its tentacles together in anticipation of the FED and ECB giving them more US/EU taxpayer monies.
S&P 500 timing system returns 289.81% over the past five years.
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SP500 support likely to get broken today.
http://bullandbearmash.com/index/sp-500/daily/
For all you elliott wavers, looks like primary wave 3 down is underway.