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Turkey Claims Syria Fired On Second Turkish Jet, Says "Act Won't Go Unpunished", Has Invoked NATO Articles 4 And 5
At this point even those who have never heard of the Gulf of Tonkin know where this is headed:
- SYRIAN ACT 'WON'T GO UNPUNISHED,' TURKEY'S ARINC SAYS
- SYRIAN ACT 'HOSTILE,' 'COLD-BLOODED,' ARINC SAYS
- SYRIA SHOT DOWN TURKISH JET WITHOUT WARNING, NULAND SAYS
- TURKEY INVOKED ARTICLES 4 & 5 FOR NATO MEETING, ARINC SAYS
- TURKEY TO PROCEED AGAINST SYRIA USING LEGAL RIGHTS, ARINC SAYS
- TURKISH JET SHOT DOWN IN INTERNATIONAL AIRSPACE, ARINC SAYS
And yet:
- TURKISH JET 'MISTAKENLY' ENTERED SYRIAN AIRSPACE, ARINC SAYS
- TURKISH JET WAS IN SYRIAN AIRSPACE ONLY 5 MINUTES, ARINC SAYS
Just the tip, eh?
And finally this, which makes it all too clear what Hillary Clinton's endgame here is:
- Turkish deputy PM says Syria has also fired on a Turkish search-and-rescue plane -AP
And from Reuters:
Turkey said on Monday that Syrian forces had fired at a second Turkish plane which was searching for an F-4 reconnaissance jet shot down by Syria last week, but the second plane was not brought down.
Deputy prime minister Bulent Arinc told a news conference that Turkey would protect itself, within the framework of international law, against what it called Syria's "hostile action" of downing its warplane last week.
He said at the end of a seven-hour cabinet meeting on the incident that Syria's downing of the reconnaissance jet would not go unpunished.
Was that jet over Syrian airspace for "only 5 minutes" too?
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oh yes it was
I sense a a large load of US Federal style "Freedom and Democracy" is about to get dropped all over Syria.
Why? No significant oil reserve. No need for freedom there.
"TURKISH JET WAS IN SYRIAN AIRSPACE ONLY 5 MINUTES, ARINC SAYS"
5 minutes at high speed (600 MPH+) is a whole lot of territory covered. Even more so if the Turkish jet was supersonic.
600 mph = 10 miles per minute
5 minutes * 10 miles per minute = 50 miles
Ugh... I'm pretty sure GPS today is more accurate than 50 miles. Completely fucking staged.
It is very unlikely these turkish F-4s have GPS in them. On purpose. Remember the scene from Goodfellows. (to the Joe Pesci character) "I showed up here with dirty shoes, go get your shinebox."
The standard is to weave in and out of the airspace while travelling parallel of the borderline. They would have been half way to Tehran going perpendicular.
It is very unlikely these turkish F-4s have GPS in them
You can carry a portable Garmin on friggin ultralight.
Or your smartphone
And it's actually even worse, because they use metric !
TURKISH PILOT HAD NO GPS, USED STUXNETED CALCULATOR (+ FINGERS AND TOES) TO NAVIGATE.
Wooden bead seat cover doubles as abacus and floatation device in case of water landing.
the wind kept pushing his scarf into his goggles. He couldnt see right.
Oh yeah, lets blame the israelis. Or was that the US who developed STUXNET?
For those who may be too young to remember the Gulf of Tonkin, there's always Mr. President Abraham Lincolin and his career destroying "Spot Resolution" http://www.sewanee.edu/faculty/Willis/Civil_War/documents/LincolnSpot.html
Was this before or after he was killing vampires?
YEA SEWANEE'S RIGHT !
Anouther war in that shit hole part of the planet.
It may be the shit hole of the planet, but the biggest stinking turds always seem to be traceable to the US.
"TURKISH JET 'MISTAKENLY' ENTERED SYRIAN AIRSPACE, ARINC SAYS" ?
Are we supposed to believe the Turkish air force are this incompetent ?
Next it will be:
"TURKISH BOMBS 'MISTAKENLY' ENTERED SYRIAN AIRSPACE, ARINC SAYS"
The bombs were only in the air for 15 seconds before they hit the mosque and the day care center. Accidents happen! Am I right or am I right?
if my car goes 10 feet past an intersection it lets me know. Pretty sure if your 50 miles off course, a fucking jet gps might want to inform you.
Yes! During the Cyprus invasion by Turkey, sponsored by Kissinger, they sunk their own ship thinking it was Greek and had changed flags during radio silence time. (Greece and Turkey have identical navy ships.
Fucking competent!
An "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job" moment?
Best way to measure this will be to see if the pilot picks up a fresh medal... (if you're in the US military you get medals for blunders [helps cover them up], such as shooting down commerical airliners- http://web.archive.org/web/20070518142130/http://www.history.com/minisit...).
Yep, the closest point from Turkey/Syria are 500 miles apart. So the drone flew for about an hour straight in a beeline to Syria and being in Syrian air space was a whoopsie daisy. It was the first time the "pilot" had to fly an unmanned drone-bullshit-excuse-for U.S. action against Syria...Excuse me...
Unarmed recon plane. Yeah, that is the ticket!
10 bucks says that the Syrian Government has no clue what the hell is happening within their airspace and that the jet was shot down by a blacked-out predator drone... Up next, Hill Dog declares this an act of war against Turkey and her ALLIES... And next week on They'll Believe Anything We Tell Them, Iran almost definitely maybe probably has a nuclear weapon...
my guess, based on nothing but...my guessing is this. Russia and its military " advisors" are playing a much bigger role in syrias military now, Syria generals and their ego's dont like it and some are fleeing. Russia shooting down that turkey biplane, might have been a signal to the world, hey Russia is involved here, we know how to use our stuff. Leave syria and our bases a lone. This is our puppet.
I am thinking Chinese more then Russian
Russia has some huge military bases there. And Putin is the one going around making us and Israel presidents look like spanked puppies.
10 bucks says that the Syrian Government has no clue what the hell is happening within their airspace and that the jet was shot down by a blacked-out predator drone...
Sorry, Syria already owned up to shooting it down, and tried to get both.
With anti aircraft fire,said range 2.5km
Kinetic confrontation playbook-Why Gringos so hot on Assads ass?NG finds in area? Disstractions from EZ-Land? A favorite,divide and conquor from Iran.
We're so incolcated to the military/industrial complex team,we'll never wake from the miasmatic pathology.
Curious to see if this turn the trick baby for Turkey to enter EU!
Is this why the euro popped up?
im fairly certain that a military plane that flew into u.s. airspace for only "5" minutes wouldve either
1) made it there in 100 pieces after being blown up before acutally reaching it............
2) never made it back out of u.s. airspace if it somehow did breach............
ahhhh, the smell of HYPOCRISY!!!!!!!..............
You forgot what happened in Florida in the 80's? Cocaine business was based on violating US airspace.
Today, these violations of airspace happen all over the world, including USA. Probably a lot of Canadian or Mexican Cessnas and others have crossed the border accidentally but none have been shot down.
Oh actually they do get shot down, complete with re-enacted 'dialogue' to completely exonerate the Americans who actually give the "Kill" order.
(in the plane, US missionaries/spies/whatever)
Oh yeah, even the idiot media has shown the pictures of the missionaries shot down.
Let's be clear though, they were just looking for drug smugglers. Well Syria is looking for planes/drones that might be
a) arming a foreign led insurrection
b) launching airstrikes against it
c) probing it's defenses for when TSHTF
d) launch dronestrikes against it
e) other
The fact is Syria is ACTUALLY facing foreign, Queen, and Saudi sponsored aggression to overthrow their gov't. Syria ACTUALLY has a reason to be paranoid. I think they saw how Libyia went down. Losing control of it's airspace doomed it. So no, Syria is actually a little bit smarter. The world a whole lot dumber.
Meanwhile we have a policy to shoot private planes down that we suspect to be drug smuggling that isn't doing any of the above points. Last we all checked the F-4 was at one time considered a warplane.
arming an insurrection, such as an internal civil war.
Last I checked Mexico and Canada did not have CIA backed rebbles fucking things up and the plains that go over the boarder were not fighter jets
Poor, defenseless, unpiloted F4 Phantom retrofit. Turkey and her billionaires need more military aid. Say, $5 billion in F-18A Hornets with remote pilot upgrades?
And, they need them for one of their favorite pasttimes: killing Kurds.
Latest...
Turkish deputy PM: Turkey will protect itself within the framework of int'l law, against Syria's "hostile action" of downing our fighter jet
Turkey's deputy PM: Syrian forces opened fire on a 2nd Turkish plane that was searching for the wreckage of the earlier shot jet.
Turkish deputy PM: Legitimate self-defense, proportionate retaliation, int'l sanctions are among steps Turkey may take [against Syria]
Turkish deputy PM: Everyone should know that we will do whatever the international law allows us to do regarding downed Turkish jet.
Turkish deputy PM re Turkish jet: We have no intention to fight anyone. We don't have such a claim. It is not right to make warmongering.
Turkish deputy PM: Seeking a parliamentary motion for cross-border operation not on govt's agenda. We can appeal to Parliament if needed.
Turkish deputy PM: Claims that Syria could not identify downed Turkish jet are baseless.
Turkish government spokesman Arinc says after 8-hour Cabinet meeting that Syria's downing of Turkish jet will not go unpunished.
More...
Turkish deputy PM: Syria targeted our solo-flying, unarmed plane with cold blood. Int'l law stands behind Turkey re this hostile action.
Oooo I'm afraid the chicken is gonna bite me...
Turkey: all options on table, including the right to military retaliation
US: Turkey has our full support at the NATO meeting on Syria tomorrow
Hopefully the warmongers don't get their cookies.
Turkish ruling party central executive committee has started an extraordinary meeting, discussing ways to respond re downed Turkish jet.
Turks really are good for talking tough and doing meetings... anything else... not so much.
I've an idea! Let's fly another jet into Syrian territory and see if they dare . . .
OK... best out of 100? (coin tosses continue)
Intentional.
Imangine a Russian MIG "accidently" flying over Miami for "just 5 minutes"
It would be stolen and found later with 24" rims
Like this?
Dang it "TrainWreck1" you owe me a new keyboard. Just LOL during my lunch...
no prob, just make sure ya got grillz ta match
http://www.luxurylaunches.com/entry_images/0308/26/von-slatt-original-keyboard_1-thumb-450x342.jpg
Damn TomTom, that thing always got me drivign through the ghetto
In this situation, where Turkey has already proven themselves UN-trustworthy toward Syria, harboring militants etc.
why would you allow their 'spy' planes to come into your air space.
Taken in context, with the seriousness of the situation, how can Turkey say it was an honest mistake.
I don't buy it.
Thats about how it goes when you convince her it will only be the tip...
Next up, a series of "surgical" drone strikes on those SAM sites.
Donkey Kong!
If the public doesn't bite on the propaganda for an overt operation then those SAM sites will spontaneously blow up. Whoa!!! How the fuck did that happen says the legacy media? Must be incompetent operators handling munitions.
Those same sites are on wheels and drive around.
Followed by Russian claims that some of their Marines were killed during the strikes.
Last night, about 30 Syrian soldiers skipped town and surrendered to Turkish Army, including a high-ranking general and two colonels. They took also their families with them.
Syrian army is obviously disintegrating, similar to Libya, and left hand does not know what the right hand is doing. So this is probably just a clusterfuck of some nervous trigger fingers out there.
or russia is taken over and the generals and their ego dont like it. Russia has a HUGE naval base there, no way they let syria unravel without taking charge. At worst, Russia will install a new puppet.
or maybe you should look below the revenue line
clears up the youth unemployment problem, they will be asked to go kill each other so that rich men and their bankers can play power grabs and games.
In the small print of the next Call of Duty game, ...... hidden in paragraph 68...by installing this game you accept a 3 year deployment into the us military.
Better still, once these kids get to a certain level, why not have them control actual drones. Wasn't there a movie with Robin Williams in it that built upon this very theme?
Just don't tell them.
Enders Game anyone?
What are so many Turkish planes doing above Syria anyway. Last I checked Syria was an independent sovereign country.
Better question:
"What are so many Turkish MILITARY/WAR planes doing above Syria anyway?"
Funny how this Turkey trot story grows wings just days after the announcement that a military exercise was going to be performed by Russia, China, Iran and Syria? 2012 is shaping up to be the year of the DEER... Bitchez
dry as a bone cuntish hilary clinton takes her wrath out on the world.
her dried up leather like weather beaten face just gets uglier as the years roll by.
you would think with all the blood she spills she would look younger but no.
what a crew her and her rapist husband make.
you see liar blair,the bush firm,the clintons,camerons rothschilds and rockerfella scanks all love freedom and democracy so much.
they only want what is best for the middle east and for us.
THAT IS WHY THEY DROP AND FIRE TONS OF DEPLETED URANIUM MISSILES AND BOMBS ALL OVER.
they give us cancer so we can be free.
they give are kids genetic mutations so we can become more caring while looking after are sickly and deformed offspring.
Having tried and failed to get the UN to legitimize a Syrian invasion, AIPAC is having to use NATO. Cheney is jealous.
Thought the NATO charter only covered cases where a member was attacked. How can Turkey be attacked, miles inside Syrian territorial waters?
http://www.af.mil/information/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=13226
F4 done?
http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.com/2012/06/did-syrian-pilot-willi...
there is one missing...
35.052014,-118.144946
There goes the neighbourhood ...
"TURKISH JET WAS IN SYRIAN AIRSPACE ONLY 5 MINUTES, ARINC SAYS".. Like my pops would had said..."that was 5 minutes more than you should've"....
Reconnaissance flights -- they're needed by NATO (and Israel) to see the well hidden military stuff (like anti-aircraft) that can't be seen from satellites. Five minutes is plenty of time to get some photos.
I'm sure the Israelis would have no problem with the Syrians doing a fly-by with an "unarmed" supersonic military reconnaissance aircraft in the Negev for "just" five minutes. /sarc
This just in:
This shit is getting so predictable it's a fucking joke.
That is what happens when you 'penetrate' without the proper lube...you get shot down.
"KICK HIS ASS SEA BASS!"
Let's get this war over before my kids are old enough for the upcoming draft.....
We keep screwing with Syria and they will deploy S300 and really screw up our day. In fact the Russian marines anti-air detachment probably has it with them.
One would be naive to assume Syria does NOT have S300 ...
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/150059
Coincidentally, "Deployment time for the S-300 is five minutes" ...
A test of Syrian air might. Response time: 5 minutes. NATO has less than 5 minutes to get out if they start shit in Syria.
'I've got a stone in my shoe.......I want to find out if it is my problem or your problem...'
The Russians shot down KAL Flight 007 for less ? The Russian pilots were so cloistered they had never seen a 747 and thought the hump on the back was spyware ? Hahahahaha ! Monedas 1929 Comedy Jihad Hillary's Moment To Show Us Her Gravity-Ass
And US Navy shot down an Iranian passenger plane over IRANIAN territory!
All 290 onboard including 66 children and 16 crew perished.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
Holy crap I didn't know that.
Homey the clown, ain't messin around
Gulf of Tonkin = 1960s WMD
Past ZHers posts that fit the occasion: - Did you hear the one about the guy who was Hungary for Turkey Chile but slipped on Iceland and broke his fine China?....... - Are you Syria? - Yeah, he slipped because he was distracted by a girl who had quite Iraq.............. - I was there dude, but when I saw her face, Iran. The question of the day...if Turkey attacks Syria from the rear, will Greece help?
people of syria
we will blow them up to set them free.
like libya we will take the gold it belongs to us.
the oil and gas and water supply will say property of the usa.
the transit gas pipe line profits will be sent to switzerland to bush accounts.
this stinking country with no debt must be crushed,purged and destroyed then rebuilt in are free democratic image.
the imf will loan them billions for the rebuild.
we will give loans for the depleted uranium cancer care.
we will open a david rockerfeller cancer hospital and peace institute.
we will sell them the medicine sell them the oil and the gas.
by hook or crook we will make them free by blowing them up.
by hook or crook until the last syrian man is standing they or he will be free.
Hookup Hillary with a harness and tether to a drone and let her do some first hand reconaissance of Syrian Airspace.
Maybe send in a second drone to video Hillary on her "fact finding" mission.
Why do that when she has her broomstick?
Ground fire from light and medium AA guns brought it down. The video does not show the plane under fire, but the gunfire can be heard. It is both light and medium. The splash the plane makes CAN be seen on the video and people on the beach cheer.
This proves it was low and very near the shoreline. Otherwise the AA guns would never reach far enough to score a kill.
Turkey HAD to know what they were doing. They just didn't expect Syrian radar guided AA to be good enough to kill a low fast jet. Wrong!
Hillary is a mad dog war whore! Obama is the master of the Tuesday night kill lists, just like Stalin, he spends his evenings signing off on kill lists.
Obummer spends his evenings laying on the couch, with a bag of potatoe chips, scratching his nuts and watching ESPN. He could give a fuck.
Buy the fucking tip!
Maybe a line of little blimps to mark off the airspace would help the Turkish pilots with their navigation...
Sign on the blimps:
THIS SHIT IS SYRIA'S
All these event markers have overloaded poor WebBot, it's now predicting fashionably long short-shorts and a run on women's nylons.
Act won't go unpunished?
I agree.
Turkey should send another plane.
http://www.todayszaman.com/newsDetail_getNewsById.action?newsId=284651
Turkey: Syria's jet downing an attack on whole NATO
Turkey said Monday it would push NATO to consider Syria's downing of a Turkish jet as an attack on the whole military alliance.
Sure, whatever. How about using the UN to explain your actions, Turkey?
Nothing will come from this other than a couple orders for new fighter jets.
Well duh Turkey...
Why isn't anybody in the international arena condeming Turkye for intruding someone else's airspace? They do this by the way almost daily in Greek airspace.
This may give Russia a chance to grab a nice warm water port on the Black Sea...
"The early Russo-Turkish Wars were mostly sparked by Russia’s attempts to establish a warm-water port on the Black Sea, which lay in Turkish hands. The first war (1676–81) was fought without success in Ukraine west of the Dnieper River by Russia, which renewed the war with failed invasions of the Crimea in 1687 and 1689. In the war of 1695–96, the Russian tsar Peter I the Great’s forces succeeded in capturing the fortress of Azov. In 1710 Turkey entered the Northern War against Russia, and after Peter the Great’s attempt to liberate the Balkans from Ottoman rule ended in defeat at the Prut River (1711), he was forced to return Azov to Turkey. War again broke out in 1735, with Russia and Austria in alliance against Turkey. The Russians successfully invaded Turkish-held Moldavia, but their Austrian allies were defeated in the field, and as a result the Russians obtained almost nothing in the Treaty of Belgrade (Sept. 18, 1739)."
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/514064/Russo-Turkish-wars
Greece should get some AA, maybe give Russia a call they would probably be glad to help.
In the game of chess, if you just remain passive and let your opponent take your pieces one by one, you lose and you die. You have to make moves your oppenent wasn't expecting and win by careful controlled advancing. (Does everyone agree on this?)
I recommend Russia make a lightning advance and completely re-take Kosovo for the Serbs, bitch-Slap any HATO Troops who defend it, and then see what fake ass tough guys accross the table do.
If they don't do something, they will get no respite until Russia basically is disappeared.
http://greekmilitary.net/airdefence.htm
Yea, they already have the big boy, S-300 soon to be S-400. And the Patriot PAC III too. Sooooo, if they thought the evil Turks were doing anything other than what the vast majority of semi-hostile states do to each other (shadow their lines of control on occasion to include airspace violations to test reaction times and let themselves get intercepted by the other guy's interceptors to get happy snaps for the squadron bar wall), they easily could engage and destroy them. Instead, they "light them up" with the fire control radar and issue vector commands on guard freq, just like everyone else.
Just ask some Alaska Command flunkie about Bears and Blackjacks. Happens all the f-ing time with no flaming wrecks in territorial waters.
Why does everything have to be binary here? Can't Turkey be up to no good and Syria still be shitheads too?
Well we did leave one flaming wreck in China when we wacked that one dude ("Accidental" collision)
I am with you on paragraph 1 and 2, I am against you on paragraph 3. Seems everyone's mission is "just join in demonizing Syria to justify our upcoming invasion for our ZioMasters." Yours too brother.
Copy all. I just don't buy into the "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" flavor of the argument. I can see the rationale behind the concept of collusion to produce a desired end-state (Ie. another Gulf of Tonkin sacrificial lamb to ignite a desires war). I can see the "qui bono?" (Israeli desires to take away Iran's NE ally and open a potential air corridor). Got it all. Still, I don't have to embrace the Allawite mob running that place. The hard part is translating that into policy. The closest I can articulate is "f-ck 'em...let them (the Sunnis getting fisted) deal with it themselves...no Western forces should lift a finger or enter their territory to fight their battle."
Why AGAIN the Balkans???
Fuck Turkey, here's hoping Putin's jackboot gets rammed up their ass.
Syria has oil in the Eastern Mediterreanean.
The same as Turkey, Cyprus, Labanon, Israel , Gaza and Eygpt. It also has some onshore.
Z'ers on finance, impressive.
Z'ers on the real world.... sound like a bunch of progressive educated latte drinkers who weigh in around a buck twenty five and live a very angry life in their parent's basement...
All these "libertarian" posts remind me of those ignorant, self-absorbed, idealist pacifists that went to Iraq to stand in front of the innocent to be in solidarity with them and protect them.
Look kids, everyone knows when it comes to geopolitics it's Kabuki Theater.
The ONLY question that matters is which side of the dinner table do you want to be on.
Because if you dont choose a side, and there is a right side, you're on the table or hiding under it.
If you think the West is so F'd up, well then move to those other paradises of anarchistic freedom.
But I bet you wont find any latte.
Why does everyone use this "parents' basement" thing when they want to discredit others? How do they think they know where people live? Why does it even matter?
Dude, you couldn't afford my parents basement...
Now I am just waiting for the b1tch to hold a press conference. When Hitlary Clinton starts speaking on tv I have to change channels or I get the taste of bile in my mouth.
She is one ugly bitch. Back in the days of ships and pirates, they carved a bust of her to put on the front of their ships to scare off the medusas.
I only entered her for 5 minutes....
Is this Hillarys or Bills excuse?
How about just for the novelty, we have 1 year, just 1 without a war?
You know, just for the hell of it!
They are lucky that the Turks haven't flattened the site that launched the missiles, along with half a dozen other sites, just to prove the point.
The Syrians had better ground and center PDQ. The Turkish Army will reach down their collective throat, grab them by the appendix, and yank them inside out.
Yeah, tough talk until you start seeing the Russians coming out of the woodwork. NOTE: unlike the US, Russia's supply lines to Syria (vs. US to Turkey) are MUCH shorter.
Yeah like Russia will risk war with NATO over Syria. What is likely going to happen is the West will partiton Syria. There will be an Alawite/Christian nation at the alawite core coast. This new alawite nation will be a russian protectorate. The Kurds take the northeast. The sunnis take the rest of Syria. The west and Israel will like it because it will prevent the rise of a Muslim Brotherhood-controlled Sunni Islamist Syria emerging as a new challenge to Israel and the West. Russia will like it because they can keep their base and have a nation under their protection. Saudi Arabia will like it because its breaks Iran's shia crescent. Also Iraqi sunnis will love it because they can have a sanctuary to wage a separatist war against Malaki. Iran and shia Iraq will be pissed of course.
Weimar Ben Bernanke
you talk like john wayne but a bet your a bigger bitch than pee wee herman
NATO is not Spain.
When we talk of NATO who are we really talking about besides the US (and, well, Turkey)?
When austerity is smacking the shit out of all the Euro countries I'd hardly think that dragging them into another US war is going to go over well with their populations. Like it's not enough to have the military+banking complex loot you, but to then force you to send your young off to fight US wars under some BS NATO banner? Right... sure way to guarantee that the EU countries catch fire.
Why shouldn't Syria shoot them down? They know they're going to get blown up anyhow they are surrounded.
Turkey is puffing out their chest for domestic consumption.
They aren't going to play whack-a-mole with Russia in the hood. Simple as that.
Turkey is a NATO member.
NATO denied Labia air superiority which stopped Gadaffi bombing the rebels into dust.
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