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Turkey Mobilizing: Media Manipulation, Provocation Or Reality?
In the aftermath of the recent escalation in tensions between Turkey and Syria, whereby Syria was accused of hostile behavior for firing and taking down a Turkish fighter jet that supposedly spent at least 5 minutes in its airspace, today was a quiet day. At least until recently we saw the following footage in a clip uploaded to YouTube. Supposedly, Turkey has sent troop reinforcement to the Syrian border, after Erdogan's warning that soldiers approaching the border will be treated as targets, the clip explains, citing Turkish daily Zaman reported citing the Cihan news agency. This is unverified, nor is the statement that 15 military vehicles, including tanks and cannons, were dispatched to the border from Diyarbakir.
We are skeptical of the validity of the above especially since earlier today Russia said that Tuesday's Syrian shooting down of a Turkish warplane should not be seen as a provocation and warned world powers against using the incident to push for stronger action against Damascus. It was Moscow's first official reaction which made it quite clear that Russia will not just stand idly by awaiting for NATO to unilaterally take a decision to punish the middle eastern nation for daring to defend itself. But then again, this may be merely misreading Russia's resolve, in collaboration with China, to defend its own national strategic interests.
Finally, why we are concerned this may well be a provocation, but in the other direction, is that the only "news" of this development so far has come from the Times of Israel: a media outlet which the traders amongst you may say is "axes" vis-a-vis a particular outcome.
Large numbers of Turkish troops — including at least 15 long-range artillery pieces and tanks – moved to the Syrian frontier from the eastern city of Diyarbakir. A video published by the Turkish Cihan News Agency showed Turkish tanks being transported by carrier trucks toward the frontier.
The mobilization followed statements by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan that the Turkish military will respond to any future violation of its border by Syrian military elements.
“As awe-inspiring as Turkey’s friendship is, Turkey’s wrath is equally awe-inspiring,” Erdogan told the Turkish parliament on Tuesday.
“The rules of engagement of the Turkish Armed Forces have changed,” Erdogan said. “Any military element that approaches the Turkish border from Syria posing a security risk and danger will be regarded as a threat and treated as a military target.”
Erdogan closed his remarks with an especially harsh condemnation of Syrian President Bashar Assad: “Turkey and the Turkish people will continue to provide all support until the people of Syria have been saved from this tyrannical, murderous, bloody dictator and his gang.”
We will keep track of real developments surrounding this latest geopolitical risk flare up, and keep readers updated.
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Another illegal war, more violence, killing and bloodshed while foodstamps, infrastructure, unemployment benefits and education are being slashed. Fuck Obama the Nobel Piece of shit prize winner and the warmongers pulling his pathetic strings.
Bernanke wanted fiscal stimulus...
I think I see Paul Krugman in that truck
Wild Paulkrugman appears!
Don't mess with the Turkish Army.
... those boys will fight!
Looks like the old M60A3 tanks are still ready for combat.
Also:
Turkish jet shot down by Russians, opposition leader claimsMore - http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2012/06/turkey-sends-tanks-and-mili...
This makes enough sense to be true. Thanks for the link.
Don't mess with the Turkish Army. ... those boys will fight!
Hell yeah! Did you see the fight they put up when Isarel killed all those Turkish civilians on that Gaza flotilla ship? That was the "Mother of all Fights!" I forget how many Israelis they killed in that one, could you remind me?
Those Turkish tanks wouldn't last 10 minutes in downtown Detroit.
Turks are pussy cunts
You must be Armenian?
The Turks are a tenacious bunch there's a reason why their forefathers created an empire that lasted over 500 years. If you are in doubt of Turkish martial prowess consider this:
When the Turks entered World War 1 they had the most backward army of all the great powers in material terms (e.g. non-existent weapons, ammo etc) by that war's end the Turks outlasted the Romanov Russian empire, the Austrian Hapsbourg empire whilst FIGHTING WAR OVER 5 DIFFERENT FRONTS and only capitulated to the Triple Entente around the same time as Germany and within a decade after that fought another war with the Greeks and handing their arses on a plate driving the last Greek out of Anatolia...you sound quite young so here's a tip go ask one of your grandparents or great uncles who fought in the Korean war and ask them what they think of the Turk as a soldier and am pretty sure they'll have nothing but admiration for him.
Thanks, Spirit, been reading your stuff for years now. It's been a great head's up.
Your welcome. It's obvious an uphill battle in that almost everyone WANTS to be misled since they can't handle the truth.
http://youtu.be/UXoNE14U_zM
http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2010/03/quick-review-of-history.html
Those old gas pyres on treads... It wont take much to burn. At least I hope they replaced the truly flammables.
Syria will hold on to the Golan Heights though. They will NEVER loosen the grip on that. Damascus will burn first.
I would be skeptical that Turkey is mobilizing, except perhaps at a very small scale. And apparently Turkey's rhetoric is not all fire-and-brimstone.
What would Turkey's INTEREST be in starting a war with Syria? What do they get out of a land war in Asia? Nothing.
china and russia have no reverence for life.
why do we let them chime in on the civilized worlds activitys?
Ruskis and Chinis very uncivilized, thay hord gold
That barbarous relic... not like us Americans with our 11 Nimitz Class carriers and petrodollar system, two illegals wars and drone strikes in more places that I can count... not to mention monsanto & friends flogging their bioweapons. Salt of the Earth.
"Never get involved in a land war in Asia!"
You know what the quid pro quo was that Obamney and Hitlary promised them? Somehow, entry to the EU seems to be lower on their list of priorities than it was 5 years ago. Bet from taking a long look at history, they would like a chance to participate in the Greek bail out. Or maybe another putsch to Viena?
Maybe there is a little bit of shooting with Syria and Turkey, but no one cared until now.
No one really cared that little Georgia got stomped by Russia in a week or two, however stories of courage and battlefield valor on the part of Georgian forces were to be respected.
Uhh no. Intransigent Georgia were the aggressors, egged on by their sinister sponsors.
Russia gave them a well-deserved spanking and I am waiting for Vlad to do the same to any punks chumps cowards and a-holes who disturb Mr. Assad..
The Turks are great fighters. On their own turf. Last time I checked Syria ain't Turkey.
Interest???
Why do you speak of abstract entities as if they're living beings? Until you stop this exercise in fantasy, you'll never come to understand the nature of this game, even though you're fully aware of it.
Just how many individuals within the the government of Turkey do you think determine this "interest" at any point in time? Now, how many of that number can influence the rest? That number is the key to your entire flawed paradigm of collectivist thinking.
That number is also the number of agent provocateurs needed to pull off the oldest trick in the book, "Let's you and him fight!"
That number may be as low as a single digit, and likely not more than three, yet you've equated it with the desires of nearly 73M others.
Like I said, nothing you didn't already know, yet you help them pull it off by ignoring what is really going on.
DCRB: your skepticism is well taken.
... er ... Large Numbers? Hardly, a battalion or two movin' around. Maybe a skoshi' battalion task force, hardly what could invade Syria.
Turkey starts the war? The NATO General Secretary disavows all knowledge of the situation.
- Ned
Does he support financial backing for the GAM (Gray Alien Military)? Never quite got his take on it.
Edgar Casey was right, this is getting scary... Other then him saying Ankara instead of Turkey, but still the same place...
What is next?
Whatever it is, you can't stop it or change it.
fuck yeah, let it roll.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJAlIHsXcLY
This?
Strifes will arise through the period. Watch for them near Davis Strait in the attempts there for the keeping of the life line to a land open. Watch for them in Libya and in Egypt, in Ankara and in Syria, through the straits about those areas above Australia, in the Indian Ocean and the Persian Gulf.” Edgar Cayce reading (3976-26) April 28, 1941
Population control.
ahhh, did you mean, "physical stimulus?"
That tank. M60A3. The Patton. It's 1960s technology - although upgraded over the years. It should be on the Antiques Road Show.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/m60/
Wonder if it's operational or if it's a museum piece?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AmericanTank.jpg
The Turks are tough soldiers.
"Cav to ya!"
they fucked Lawrence in the ass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYbsDKpfsKM
Uh yeah but that was near a hundred years ago. Recently they have been taking it in the ass.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/31/israel-kills-activists-floti...
I will probably be "destroyed" by "Syrian" forces.
Just need to round up that towtruck to put it in place.
Sacrificial reserve/training equipment. The Turks have several hundred Leopard2A4 in service, plus more than a few 2A5's. Sending a company's worth of M60A3 along with an artillery battery and some foot fodder is asking - nay, begging - to have your ass handed to you.
HOPE AND CHANGE!
Obamney Wills it ..
Don't make me worship the throne. It makes me sick as it is with the reference to the Templar Crusades.
God wills it my ass.
lol
okay, here is a /sarc
You mean, Obummer wills it? Romney's not President, yet.
Do you really think it matters? Obamney 2012, Hasten the Collapse
British special forces are already in Syria according this article. Deployed on the Turkish boarder, target Assad's palace.
http://www.debka.com/article/22133/British-forces-in-Syria-Assad-preside...
debka is notorious psy-op material... no doubt designed to spread confusion and dissention in Syria...
Just like our Bureau of Labor Statistics.
British special forces are alleged by some to have been in country for many months, allegations that they are helping (fanning) anti Assad elements, have been made by conspiracy theorists and tin foil loonies.
I wonder what happens when the British forces run into the Russian and China forces. Will they drink some vodka?
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/will-russian-and-chinese-military-forces-on-syrian-soil-prevent-obama-from-bombing-syria
Spy vs. Spy
WW3 has to start somewhere, might as well be Syria. Bullish, bitchez!
Unfortunately, it may end up here, in the United States. Don't think for a minute American soil can't be attacked.
Already has been on several occasions. I still think most of the action will be in Mideast. TPTB don't want to soil their nests.
So you would prefer Syrian people to live under the President for Life, Bashar al-Assad? Have you people ever stopped to think, even for one fucking second, before you spew out these "illegal war!" and "CIA IS THERE"-posts?!
How do you or anyone else know that they won't end up with a dictator for life worse than Assad??? We should just stay the hell out of it.....we have no clues who all the players are.....
We know that they won't end up with something worse than Assad because of what happened in Egypt after Mubarak...oh, wait
you are the definition of shit for brains 100%
Your skull is so empty there are not even Planck length level quantum vibrations in there. It is a fucking miracle, the perfect void.
Look at your red arrows. Everyone here spotted you as a Troll and a liar from your first post.
When Assad, the protector of Christians in Syria, goes, the Christians of Syria will be wiped out, as they were in Kosovo and Iraq. Naturally this is your goal. Why not be honest about it Yitzak?
We should care about the people, not the religions.
No we would perfer the truth. Something you refuse to believe in.
What the Syrian people do domestically is their fucking business. You prefer we live under Obamney for life (if you can call it life)?
False dichotomy much?
That's exactly how the hawks rationalized Iraq after the WMD story was exposed.
@ mark7
You would be my 1stmark
Hit a soft spot with that CIA comment.....did they.....?
So ,which department are you with...?
You will never get a straight answer from professional liars. Not in the game plan.
Fresh red meat for End Timers - be they Christian, Jewish, or Shiite.
That aside, which I tossed out as an aside, Syria is critical at this point in the ME. It pits Iran backing its Shiite brothers running the country, allied with Russia, who has no intention of losing its only Med naval base, and China, who is getting a great deal on Iranian oil these days, against NATO and Israel.
This is a very serious situation. Do the Turks think that NATO is going to back it if it comes down to facing off with Russia?
And what is the real deal between Obama and Putin - remember Obama asked Putin to understand he'd have more "freedom" of action after his presumed re-election.
And what exactly did Putin tell the Israelis when Putin visited to participate in a Remembrance for those Jews killed during the Great Patriotic War?
A war between the Great Powers over their vassals could change everything - none of it good.
And is this the distraction Obama needs to turn the slipping tide against him in the US?
Stay tuned . . .
-30-
If the mafia kingpins known as the US executive branch didn't have the backing of the banksters they'd all be in prison by now.
Anyhow Turkey better hurry with less than 48 hours to go till the Soros collapse.
Whoa! Obama inherited all of the mess Bush made. It is unfair and probably racist for you talk about Obama in this manner. He did not understand how messed up things were. He should be given another term so he has the time to understand the issues he currently has no answers for. Hope and Change take time. Change and Hope takes even longer.Are you kidding me? He has no good intentions for this Nation. He is a puppet who came out of nowhere made possible by the Masters he works for. Wake the fuck up
the Chess match has moved from the middle game to the end game.....are ruskies good at Chess?
Hey unemployed stupid monkey! Look! Over there! It's a new war for you to watch!! Be sure to pull a red or blue lever, or monkey gets no treat!
Russia and China might make this a Turkey shoot.
Gazprom, Rosneft tighten energy grip on Europe
By Vladimir Socor
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/NF27Ag02.html
Oh the Gaz boys at it again. They do it before and during every winter.
WAR!
war is for pussies.
Financial repression is for real men!
I saw this today from The Times of Israel: “The Turkish military mobilized large numbers of reinforcements from its eastern provinces to the Syrian border on Tuesday, amid rising tension with Damascus, after the downing by Syria of a Turkish Air Force jet on Friday, Turkish media reported.
“Large numbers of Turkish troops — including at least 15 long-range artillery pieces and tanks – moved to the Syrian frontier from the eastern city of Diyarbakir. A video published by the Turkish Cihan News Agency showed Turkish tanks being transported by carrier trucks toward the frontier.”
http://www.timesofisrael.com/turkey-mobilizes-troops-to-syrian-border/
what time is extreme makeover on tonight?
More theatre for the masses
This all stinks to high heaven. However, with the end of the EU the need for a distraction has never been greater. I suspect that Israel needs to take out Syria so that it can then fly unimpeaded into turkey and then Iran. Sometimes I think this is the last summer of "peace" that I am ever going to enjoy.
WWWIV bitches whether you want it or not.
This is not the peace you are seeking, not when you inventory ammunition next to the silver purchasing.
What happened to you? Your'e not the same "Seagull".
I have been under a cloud lately, I cannot shake it.
End of the EU. ROFLOL!
The rebels said the same thing in 1861. King Lincoln, meanwhile, proved conclusively that unions are indissoluble. People on the other hand; well, on a long enough time line...
15 Vehicles, wow.... How many camels, goats and sheep? What about Trebuchets and Spearmen? Great opportunity to shoot some background for the next seasons Game of Thrones....
As I speculated before the F4 that went down was a ECM bird, sniffing out the Syrian air defenses, in advance of a presumed no NATO no fly zone.....
In other words a wild weasel that got caught and throttled after running back and forth taunting the farmer going nyah nyah nyah.
'the F4 that went down was a ECM bird' gatorengineer
If the photo of the F4 was in fact the actual model that was shot down then it was an F4-E not a F4-G. There was no ECM dome on board -- there was a 20mm gun. But all this is speculation that the photo was accurate -- which we have no way of knowing.
Turkey is strengthening its border guard. No big. The rest is all hot air. Move on.
The satanists are reporting this in their own media as well:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/report-turkey-deploys-tanks-on-s...
"It was Moscow's first official reaction which made it quite clear that Russia will not just stand idly by awaiting for NATO to unilaterally take a decision to punish the middle eastern nation for daring to defend itself"
So let me get this straight...ZH is actually on the side of that asshole Syrian dictator scum? The same fucking scum whose troops just killed a bunch of kids, just like that! Well, that is certainly NEWS to me...
There is a fog of war there now, the CIA backed insurgents might have killed the kids.
Not So: "the CIA backed insurgents might have killed the kids."
The Pope or Santa Claus MIGHT have killed the kids. So much for baseless speculation.
So many newsfeeds, keep an open mind to all.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/confirmed-us-cia-arming-terrorists-in-syria.html
The fog of war is nothing compared to the fog inside Mark7's cranium.
He probably believes wrestling is real, too.
"Look out, he's got a rope in his trunks!"
"Why doesn't the referee notice!"
"It's not fair!"
You got it right in spite of youself.
The SYRIAN scumbag.
Deal with your own fucked up country before interfering in someone elses
fucked up country.
do yourself a favor and turn off the fox news... but for the NATO backed mercenaries operating in Syria, no death would be occuring at all. Assad is no saint, but, this does not give Hillary and the NWO the right to back an armed uprising, murder civilians and try and pin it on the Assad government. screw the NWO and its mindless slaves.
wait...are you claiming Hillary and the NWO were on the same side as faux news???
I thought that was the libtards on PMSNBC
The left / right and liberal media / fox is all a fucking charade to give an appearance of non unity. It's blatantly clear that D.C. power is on the same page when it comes to Emperial pursuits and the complete looting of this Nation and much of the world as well. Get with the fucking program. Nothing but smoke and mirrors with philisophical issues being utilized to give the appearance of Right vs. Left.
The red and blue feathers of the bird continually change and yet the flight plan stays the same.
So Assad is a saint who is beloved by his people and is being framed by Hillary, the NWO and who else? You are a comptemtable piece of shit. Excusing the torture and murder of children to sate your own, conspiratorial view of the world.
Umm... they ALL kill women and children. I bet Obummer has Assad beat tenfold.
Where do you live, troll?
EDIT: In which country...
You are either a fool or ... errrrmmm.... a fool....
Mark7 you need to consider The fog of war and all that jazz....killing kids is a tried and tested pr booster shot. Remember the incubator babies on the cold floor of gulf war one fame? No? Look it up.
It really made me mad when I saw that video of Saddam kicking that blond-haired baby like a football.
I've always been amazed how those stories work. Because I honestly don't care what happens to Jews and Arabs arguing over the some of the most useless real estate imaginable half way around the planet. And I sure as shit don't care what happens to their kids who would grow up to be just as insane and insufferable as their parents.
"They're killing their children, so let's go kill them!"
How many real journalists are there reporting the facts? Journalists parroting second-hand headlines from "official" sources don't count.
Oh, there is some secret "real" journalists' club out there? Al Jazeera journalists are not among them? Do they carry some special badge or they just use some secret hand sign in teevee? That only you "real" news listeners are able to see?
Wow, that is some heavy shit! Have you seen Elvis or maybe even Amy Winehouse lately too?
NIce spin...
By "real" journalists I meant people wanting to report the facts, not spread propaganda like you.
I don't care if it's a blogger making his/her first post. Where are the facts? Then we can debate whether it's legitimate or not. You guys are too dumb to even manufacture blogs with fake pictures. You still rely on legacy media for your central propaganda thrust accompanied with a few spot comments on blogs. You're way behind the curve.
I don't think you can deduce your way out of that bag on your head.
Mark7 -
I see it as an observation that World Powers like Russia and China are just as anxious to get at the oil and maintain access to the region as the U.S. and Europe are.
Before the U.S. was in Afghanistan getting their young people killed, Russia was.
The care and compassion for the children of these countries extends only so far as a barrel of oil.
No doubt there are good peoople on both sides who care, but they aren't pulling the strings or making the money.
Speaking of oil access, does any of this parallel what the Russians are doing in the Arctic?
http://freebeacon.com/the-bear-at-the-door/
Keep in mind, the planes are easily taken down, although some missles will get through. But the submarine that launched off Vandenberg that no one seems to know anything about???
Russia already had enough oil.
No oil in Afghanistan (although poppy has always commanded a good ROE), but it is easier to invade oil rich countries from Afghanistan.
Yea, Tyler seems to support Assad regime just because supporting a muslim NATO member country is too mainstreem.
Tyler dude, there are more than 40.000 Syrian refugees living at camps in Turkey and if you check the news you'll find out that Assad's soldiers opened fire and killed both Turks and escaping refugees insideTurkish borders. If Turkey ment to start a war before they already had an excuse for it, but they didn't.
ROOT FOR YER TEAM!!!! TURKEY KICKS MAJOR ASS!!! WE'RE #1! WE'RE #1!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTOQUnvI3CA
ZH member for 75 weeks and this is your first and only post? Nice plant.
And now they're down-voting you... LOL..
You can't make this shit up. We are so fucked.
Oh well.
Probably out-sourced, below minimum wage, work-at-home help.
Exactly. This Syrian president fucker is just as brutal asshole as any dictator from former one in Libya to existing asshole in North Korea. But it is too mainstream to support Turkey, which is getting huge numbers of Syrian refugees every day btw, so some people here in ZH have to start writing these "CIA is there killing kids!" and other really twilight zone like comments!
I'd bet those Syrian refugees would kick your stupid asses because of those comments...
I agree.
I think people cannot accept that one nation in the world may actually think to overthrow a dictator for the sake of misarable people suffering, not for fucking oil or we're bringing democracy shit.
You guys don't know that AKP which is the party in power in Turkey is a conservative muslim party. Most of the members including Erdogan believes that Muslims in the world have suffered enough from dictators and Western occupation. This might be their first chance to fuck an Arab dictator and establish an parlamentery Islamic regime withouth western help.
Get ready for the New Ottomans folks.
Ah and now we know who pays your salary...
I state a fact and your response is "who pays your salary".
Thank you dude. I thought I was answering to adults. I forgot that internet is full of 14 year olds.
Hey you are the one who had nothing to say for 75 weeks till today when you just had to jump in there and share some "facts".
Why you're uncomfortable with that?
I've been visiting this website more than 10 times a day for at least 3 years and there is a topic that I can share what I know.
I don't care what anybody thinks and vica versa. So I'm just sharing information that I know.
Tell me does anyone here know who is AKP or PM Erdogan or the history of 50 year political struggle of American supported Army plus state party (CHP) versus conservative parties in Turkey?
I guess not. So please don't accuse me doing bullshit propoganda.
I meant to flesh your character out beforehand. So you finally read a Wikipedia entry?
I'm really sorry that I wrote at that comments folks.
I didn't mean to offend you, hurt you or spread some fairy tales about Turks and their politics. I'm just a under waged, college drop out poor guy who learns everything from internet lives at his parents basement.
I'm trully sorry.
I should have thought that this is not a place to share information.
Carry on, keep us updated with the advances of Turkish tanks and Kurdish villages razed.
This is really starting to crack up, with next week's Iran embargo and Cyprus representing the EU.
hey Argun, if we are 14 year old and idiots why dont' you fuck off?
Why would you waste your precious time with 14 year olds? Haven't you got a few million Armenians to kill?
Next time you should flesh your character out a little bit and at least pretend to be interested in ZH before you start manufacturing dissent whenever it's convenient.
"manufacturing dissent " wow!
I didn't know that you guys were that nervous about us. By "us" I mean people not from US or western nations.
You guys are intolerant, paranoid and aggressive. I guess you're not much different from people you hate most. I better go watch Fox News.
I gotta go. I guess we'll be hearing more of your "expert" analysis around here won't we? See you around.
What do you want mate, should I post my phd dissertation? Is that how things work here?
How things work around here is we laugh at transparent lies and propaganda.
Now scoot you have got a war to start and Christians to kill....
Dude, where do I sign up? I need to make a few bucks. PM me.
First off, drop the "Dude."
Second off, pay off your debts first.
Dude, they're already paid. How about you?
Reinforcements!!!
The old ottoman was looking kinda ratty anyway. We just keep a pile of old Sunday papers on it to cover it up.
Will they match my sofas? I've got a nice dark Italian leather combo. And it'd be nice if they are the ones that have the lids on top so I can store stuff in them.
And oh, judging by that video, I've seen more fire power at a monster truck rally.
MARK7 There is one country on this planet that make Starlin, Mao, Hitler , look like rookies with the amount of people they have killed worldwide. In the 230 years of exsistance they have had 10 major wars and killed more people than any previous dictator. In fact if we got rid of that nation we might even get somewhere close to world peace, so why dont you run along and keep paying your 53 cent out of every dollar in tax to kill brown people YOU are the problem, so untill you make a stand against this shit and stop paying taxes shut the fuck up. ( I bet you even go to church on Sundays to feel better about yourself)
"if you check the news you'll find out that Assad's ......" Yeah "the news" Lol.
Well, for your information there are many news agencies in Turkey which are actually news agencies. It's is not United States of Mass Media Propoganda here mate.
Well if you said they were shooting at reatreating insurgents and collaborators and some civillians got cought in the crossfire we would be on the same page, but you didn't so we are not...but if they were shooting into Turkey they should stop, we might agree on that.
Nobody goes to war for humanitarian reasons. Ever.
Refugees have escaped the prospect of becoming collateral damage as well.