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Turkey Scrambles F-16s On Syria Border As US Intelligence Says Syrian Story Was Correct All Along

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Last week's false flag story of baseless Middle Eastern provocation refuses to go away. Even after, in a shocking turn of events, US intelligence confirmed this weekend that Syria's version of events surrounding the downed Turkish F-4 jet story was the right one all along, pulling the media narrative rug right from under Hillary Clinton's provocative feet (and making others wonder just which country is the only one that stands to benefit of NATO does pull Article 4 or 5 and does invade Syria on now invalidated and false premises), today we read that Turkey continues to try to escalate. From the BBC: "Turkey has scrambled six F-16 fighters jets near its border with Syria after Syrian helicopters came close to the border, the country's army says. A total of six jets were sent to the area in response to three such incidents on Sunday, although there was no border violation, the Reuters news agency quoted the statement saying. On Friday, Turkey said it had begun deploying rocket launchers and anti-aircraft guns along the border in response to the downing of its F-4 Phantom jet." Of course, without an actual confirmed provocation, such as the one Turkey itself pulled against Syria, it is left with the same media rhetoric that continues to expose just one side of the Syrian story - the Western media spun one. "Turkey has strongly criticised Syria's response to the 16-month anti-government uprising, which has seen more than 30,000 Syrian refugees enter Turkey." Fair enough, we do however wonder what Syria would say about Turkey's treatment of Kurdish minorities. Finally, confirmation that just as we first suggested two weeks, this whole incident has been nothing but a provocation stage test to get NATO involved without any of the facts being on the table, comes from no other source than US military intelligence.

From the WSJ:

U.S. intelligence indicates that a Turkish warplane shot down by Syrian forces was most likely hit by shore-based antiaircraft guns while it was inside Syrian airspace, American officials said, a finding in tune with Syria's account and at odds with Turkey.


The Turkish government, which moved tanks to the Syrian border after the June 22 incident, says the debris fell in Syrian waters, but maintains its fighter was shot down without warning in international airspace. Ankara also has said the jet was hit too far from Syrian territory to have been engaged by an antiaircraft gun.


Damascus has said it shot down the plane with an antiaircraft battery with an effective range of about 1.5 miles.


"We see no indication that it was shot down by a surface-to-air missile" as Turkey says, said a senior defense official. Officials declined to specify the sources of their information. The senior U.S. defense official cautioned that much remains unknown about the incident.

And finally the truth:

A former senior U.S. official who worked closely with Turkey said he believed the flight's course was meant to test Syria's response. "You think that the airplane was there by mistake?" the former official said.


"These countries are all testing how fast they get picked up and how fast someone responds," said a senior U.S. official. "It's part of training."


The Turkish official said the plane wasn't on a surveillance mission. "All NATO members have condemned the Syrian hostile act and have supported Turkey," the official said.

Gee, let's see here: confirmed self-defense and yet "all NATO members" are promptly on the side of the aggressor. How original. Finally, there's this:

The U.S.-Turkish relationship is unlikely to be affected by the apparent discrepancies in accounts of the downing of the jet. Cooperation between Ankara and Washington has grown closer in recent months, after a period of significant strain in 2009 and 2010.


That marks a turnaround for Turkey, which 18 months ago moved to cultivate relations and trade with neighboring Muslim regimes, including Mr. Assad's, while downgrading ties with former ally Israel, raising concerns in Washington.

Which begs the question: now that the US has openly sold Turkey down the river, was this whole plan merely one spun out of that other "former ally" which after seeing its provocative clout vis-a-vis Iran's "despotic dictators" evaporate, is urgently trying to come up with other locus of potential warmongering?

Of course, as long as NATO has the back of any aggressor no matter what the facts say, all is good.


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Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:18 | 2578699 Treeplanter
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Nazi Garbage.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:44 | 2578777 lizzy36
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More racist links like this and you will have commenting privileges suspended.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:48 | 2578788 otto skorzeny
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some of us look forward to Tamboo's links

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:54 | 2578808 markmotive
Sun, 07/01/2012 - 14:43 | 2578918 Jack Napier
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These bankers are not Jewish. They call themselves Ashkenazi Jews, but they are from the nation of Georgia, not Israel, and they are in fact luciferian. They hide behind the label of Jew to deflect any opposition as antisemitic which is not true. Censoring this or calling people racist who expose this is ignorant.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 15:57 | 2579050 AldousHuxley
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zionists are fucked.

Israel supported Gaddafi's troops in Libya by sending 50,000 mercenaries on the same side with Russia and China.


France beat US by invading first and secured cheap oil contracts.


Syria is fight between EU (France, Turkey) vs. Russia/China over oil pipelines.


Best for US to stay out of it until the very end like in WWII. Time for China/Russia to waste money on military conflict.



Mon, 07/02/2012 - 07:23 | 2580100 New_Meat
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Sun, 07/01/2012 - 16:55 | 2579155 Jake88
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are you sure they aren't shape shifting reptilians. put your tin foil hat back on. they can tell what you're thinking.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 20:11 | 2579494 Randall Cabot
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"These bankers are not Jewish. They call themselves Ashkenazi Jews, but they are from the nation of Georgia, not Israel, and they are in fact luciferian. They hide behind the label of Jew to deflect any opposition as antisemitic which is not true."

What lame-brained drivel that is.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 20:34 | 2579535 TSA gropee
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Randall, I'm not advocating any position here. What I am bringing to light as that you call it lame-brained drivel but yet offer zero to support your statement. Just sayin'

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 21:43 | 2579603 Bringin It
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Randall - educate yourself.

Shattering a 'national mythology' - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

Not Georgia, but a little north east of Georgia.  On the Caspian, not the Black Sea.

Ghengis Khan sent them fleeing Westward and the rest is history.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 22:46 | 2579661 Randall Cabot
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TSA, The OP didn't offer any support to back his link's claim that the Rothschilds aren't jews. The grandfather of the original five brothers was a rabbi, they lived on Jew Alley, they worked for other jew banks, the Rothschild males were only permitted to marry other jews, preferably first cousins -even a softball author like Morton wrote that. Now, if the OP meant to say that they, and all the other Askhenazi jews, weren't related to the original jews of the Levant than that is a different ball of wax.

Bringin It, I know all about The Thirteenth Tribe by Koestler and I believe that theory has some merit but I don't believe that the Khazars or any other peoples who lived in the Khazar Kingdom, comprise a large proprortion of the Ashkenazi jews. The most credible theory is that jew males migrated into Europe long ago and intermarried with converted European women and that is where most Ashkenazi jews originated. Recent DNA testing supports this.

I'm not buying into the Luciferian tripe either, I think jews like the Rothschilds are jew supremacists first and foremost but that doesn't necessarily mean that mindset derives solely from their supremacist religion. I think the ethnic in-group bonding that has persisted from ancient times plays a major part in it as well.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 22:52 | 2579690 Bringin It
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Randall - read the link.

The author, Prof. Shlomo Sands - says the Romans did not exile populations because the game plan was to tax the conquered. 

The most credible theory is that jew males migrated into Europe long ago and intermarried with converted European women and that is where most Ashkenazi jews originated. Recent DNA testing supports this.

Everything you are saying is true.  And most of this inter-marrying with converted European women took place in Khazaria.  Hence, they're mostly Khazars.  No big deal one way or the other about Khazars, except that they have no direct ancestral connection to Palestine.

The study of population genetics has been gamed to steer away from looking too deeply into Ashkenaz origin.  For example, something like the NYT will proclaim that 'New study shows that all Jewish mitochondrial DNA is from the ME.'  Ever hear of 'Out of Africa'?  Look at a map.  The mitochondrial DNA of almost everyone alive passed thru the ME.  I could go on.


Mon, 07/02/2012 - 00:17 | 2579816 Bringin It
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Wow!  I almost forgot. 

The Romans did not exile populations. 

So what became of the Biblical Jews and their descendants?

While generally remaining in Palestine, they fell under the Islamic conquest after 700 AD and for the most part converted.  Ironicly, their present day descendants are of course the Palestinians brutally oppressed by the very people who have usurped their ancestral identity.



Mon, 07/02/2012 - 10:28 | 2579821 Bringin It
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Mon, 07/02/2012 - 09:03 | 2580289 Randall Cabot
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Khazaria didn't convert to judaism until the 9th century ad, the jews I'm referring to migrated into Greece, Italy, France and Germany, etc. centuries before that. Many of the jews in Germany later migrated into Eastern Europe and brought the Yiddish language with them. Explain why the Ashkenazi jews spoke Yiddish and not the language of the Khazars.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 10:23 | 2580513 Bringin It
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Where did the earliest Jews in Europe come from?

You assume ... for some reason ... that they originated in Palestine.

In this interview, Sands was asked,

And how did millions of Jews appear around the Mediterranean Sea?

“The people did not spread, but the Jewish religion spread. Judaism was a converting religion. Contrary to popular opinion, in early Judaism there was a great thirst to convert others. The Hasmoneans were the first to begin to produce large numbers of Jews through mass conversion, under the influence of Hellenism. ... After the victory of Christianity in the fourth century, the momentum of conversion was stopped in the Christian world, and there was a steep drop in the number of Jews. Presumably many of the Jews who appeared around the Mediterranean became Christians. But then Judaism started to permeate other regions – pagan regions, for example, such as Yemen and North Africa. Had Judaism not continued to advance at that stage and had it not continued to convert people in the pagan world, we would have remained a completely marginal religion, if we survived at all.” 

Also, German was for a long time the trade language of Eastern Europe.  So it is not surprising that E. European Jews developed a modified version.  At what point did Khazars stop speaking Khazar?  I don't know.  You can take that up with P. Shlomo.


Mon, 07/02/2012 - 10:58 | 2580652 Bringin It
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What he does claim is that Jews of Sephardi descent are likely to have originated in North Africa and that those of Eastern European descent are likely to come from the Khazarian kingdom, between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea.  ...  “It’s not my idea,” says Sand. “The great Jewish historian, Ben-Zion Dinur, described the Khazar kingdom — a land of converts to Judaism — as ‘the mother of the diaspora’. It is the only thing that can explain the massive number of Jews in Eastern Europe."

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 13:37 | 2581092 Randall Cabot
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I said the Levant which is a larger area then Palestine and I don't think anyone knows where the earliest jews came from exactly: In The Hiram Key, Knight says that Abraham originated in Sumer and then migrated to the Levant. Who knows?

I agree that there was a lot of conversion-that's what I have been saying all along! If they converted at some point especially if it was a thousand or two years ago, aren't they jews??? Hellenism means Greek and I said that jews migrated into Greece, and other places, and converted women to marry which explains the preponderance of non-jewish mitochondrial DNA in Ashkenazi jews!

I think your main point is that the Ashkenazi jews are comprised mostly of Khazars but you pass the shekel tp Shlomo when I ask when the Khazars took up Yiddish and didn't bring any cognates of their own language with them. Wouldn't you think that if nearly all the Ashkenazi jews were Khazars there would be some Khazar cognate words adapted into Yiddish?

Aslo, how do you explain the recent DNA testing on Ashkenazi jews which shows that the majority of their DNA is European??? And don't say to take it up with Schlomo.

Bottom line: The Yiddish-speaking, significantly racially-mixed jews were forced out of Central Europe and they headed east where they joined up with the jews who were already there some of whom were converts from Khazaria.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 21:32 | 2582353 Bringin It
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o I don't think anyone knows where the earliest jews came from - Kashmir? but if you go back far enough, appearently we're all 'out of Africa'.

o If they converted at some point especially if it was a thousand or two years ago, aren't they jews??? - Sure, who said they were not?  But their connection to the "Holy Land" is not ancestral ... get it?  It's based on their religion.  Just like a Christian or a Muslim has a connection to the "Holy Land" via their religion.  They're not returning.  There was no "Exodus'.    

o you pass the shekel to Shlomo when I ask when the Khazars took up Yiddish and didn't bring any cognates of their own language with them. - No, I said German ws for centuries the trade language of Eastern Europe.  It's not surprising at all that urban newcomers, engaged in commerce would adopt a version of German.  Here's what Sands says about Yiddish -

If the Jews of Eastern Europe did not come from Germany, why did they speak Yiddish, which is a Germanic language?

“The Jews were a class of people dependent on the German bourgeoisie in the East, and thus they adopted German words. Here I base myself on the research of linguist Paul Wechsler of Tel Aviv University, who has demonstrated that there is no etymological connection between the German Jewish language of the Middle Ages and Yiddish. As far back as 1828, the Ribal (Rabbi Isaac Ber Levinson) said that the ancient language of the Jews was not Yiddish. Even Ben Zion Dinur, the father of Israeli historiography, was not hesitant about describing the Khazars as the origin of the Jews in Eastern Europe, and describes Khazaria as ‘the mother of the diasporas’ in Eastern Europe. But more or less since 1967, anyone who talks about the Khazars as the ancestors of the Jews of Eastern Europe is considered naive and moonstruck.”

o Wouldn't you think that if nearly all the Ashkenazi jews were Khazars there would be some Khazar cognate words adapted into Yiddish?  Good question.  - Are you so familiar with Yiddish that you know there are not?

o Also, how do you explain the recent DNA testing on Ashkenazi jews which shows that the majority of their DNA is European???  - About DNA testing,  my employment for many years involved analyzing human genetics.  A big tip off that there's something fishy going on here regarding the Ashkanaz origin is that population genetics that touch on this area are gamed, ... just like Libor, etc.  Having said that, your making a non-sequitor here.  Of course, we agree that for Ashkanaz Jews, the majority of their DNA is European, as in not Semetic.  We agree.  Khazaria was in Eastern Europe, so you're not saying anything here.


Tue, 07/03/2012 - 12:25 | 2584230 Randall Cabot
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o If they converted at some point especially if it was a thousand or two years ago, aren't they jews?? - Sure, who said they were not? But their connection to the "Holy Land" is not ancestral ... get it? It's based on their religion. Just like a Christian or a Muslim has a connection to the "Holy Land" via their religion. They're not returning. There was no "Exodus'.?

Who said they are not??? The guy who started this thread said the Rothschilds are not jews!!! I said all along that most Ashkenazi jews are European.. I'd appreciate it if you'd make a better effort.


o you pass the shekel to Shlomo when I ask when the Khazars took up Yiddish and didn't bring any cognates of their own language with them. - No, I said German ws for centuries the trade language of Eastern Europe. It's not surprising at all that urban newcomers, engaged in commerce would adopt a version of German. Here's what Sands says about Yiddish

No, you said to take it up with Schlomo. My question was why aren't there any Khazarian words, loan words or cognates, in Yiddish? I find it more believable that Yiddish is derived from the Khazarian language rather than the Khazars just abandoned their language and leaving no trace of it in Yiddish but even  if true that doesn't mean the Khazars are the predominant racial stock of the Ashkenazi jews and when I say Khazars I'm referring to the Turkic peoples who ruled the Empire not any subject peoples under them.



If the Jews of Eastern Europe did not come from Germany, why did they speak Yiddish, which is a Germanic language?

"The Jews were a class of people dependent on the German bourgeoisie in the East, and thus they adopted German words. Here I base myself on the research of linguist Paul Wechsler of Tel Aviv University, who has demonstrated that there is no etymological connection between the German Jewish language of the Middle Ages and Yiddish. As far back as 1828, the Ribal (Rabbi Isaac Ber Levinson) said that the ancient language of the Jews was not Yiddish. Even Ben Zion Dinur, the father of Israeli historiography, was not hesitant about describing the Khazars as the origin of the Jews in Eastern Europe, and describes Khazaria as ‘the mother of the diasporas’ in Eastern Europe. But more or less since 1967, anyone who talks about the Khazars as the ancestors of the Jews of Eastern Europe is considered naive and moonstruck."

Again, if the Khazars, a Turkic Asiatic people were the bulk of the Ashkenazi jews then why are there not any jews with Asian features or many jews with Asiatic DNA?



o Wouldn't you think that if nearly all the Ashkenazi jews were Khazars there would be some Khazar cognate words adapted into Yiddish?Good question. - Are you so familiar with Yiddish that you know there are not?

No, but I would think proponents of the theory would have these words as a centerpiece of their argument.



o Also, how do you explain the recent DNA testing on Ashkenazi jews which shows that the majority of their DNA is European??? - About DNA testing, my employment for many years involved analyzing human genetics. A big tip off that there's something fishy going on here regarding the Ashkanaz origin is that population genetics that touch on this area are gamed, ... just like Libor, etc. Having said that, your making a non-sequitor here. Of course, we agree that for Ashkanaz Jews, the majority of their DNA is European, as in not Semetic. We agree. Khazaria was in Eastern Europe, so you're not saying anything here.

But the Khazars were Turkic Asians, not European, and the latest DNA study I saw found that only a small percentage of Ashkenazi jews (12% I think) have Slavic DNA and very much less Asian DNA.

Here's my theory:

Khazaria did convert to judaism but most of the people in the empire were not Turkic Asians. Most of the Khazars who remained jews migrated to various places in Eastern Europe and brought judaism and Yiddish with them. They merged with non-Khazarian jews who probably spoke an East German dialect who were already there and converted and intermarried with local Europeans. The Yiddish language is derived from the Khazarian language. When jews from Central Europe began to migrate east they brought the West German dialect they had been speaking with them and merged it with the East German-Khazarian-Yiddish language. It was falsely postulated that Yiddish was derived from German because of the many German loan words in it. Most Ashkenazi jews are not descended from Turkic Asiatic Khazars but are mostly a mix of Middle Eastern and North African people, and Central and Southern Europeans and to a lesser extent Slavs.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 02:13 | 2579929 Clashfan
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Lame-brained drivel? Try researching it before spouting off.

First, many Jews (no one knows how many) are not of Hebrew descent. DNA has shown this. The Khazar conversion is a matter of history, not "lame-brained drivel" or racist imagination. They became "Jews" when they converted, sure, but satanic elements and occult infiltration exist within all religions (or many, fine).

If these folks were not originally Khazars, why do their ancestors speak Yiddish but not Hebrew?

If you research Rothschild + satanism (or occultism or, most appropriately, Luciferianism), you will see much research online that supports this theory. One need not be racist or deluded to believe that the world's most powerful families interbreed and practice Luciferianism.

It is what many years of research and my own, personal experiences have proven to me, beyond any doubt.

If the Rothschilds were not Luciferian, for example, why would they choose the hexagram as Israel's flag and then misrepresent it as "the star of David?" The most evil symbol known to man?

I could go on, but I'm not sure yet if it would matter. Seriously, look into it before calling it "lame-brained drivel."

And I still don't understand how any of this is racist. I wish someone would explain that to me because I would like to be able to interact with sensitive, aware people. I have no problem with honoring certain rules of decorum, and I don't consider myself to be a racist (or anti-semite or whatever).

But anti-semitic literally means Anti-Arab or anti-ME person. Khazaria is not in this location. The people converted to a religion, but that didn't change their DNA. Of course, Zionist influence is literally changing the dictionaries so that "anti-Jewish" is now appearing alongside the original definitions of the word. This is, of course, a common feature of language: It changes. Now one may say "anti-semite" and mean "anti-Jew," and it's technically fine, according to many dictionaries. But the word "semitic" does not mean "Jewish," literally.

And at least one of the people involved in this spat has publicly stated that she does not believe that 911 was an inside job. My strong advice to all of you is to not trust the judgment of people who spout such "lame-brained drivel." That is lame-brained drivel, not the obvious conclusion that the Luciferians are in charge.

And stating these facts should not make one a racist. Should it?

It's what you do with or imply with these facts that makes it racist (or not racist). Just because many elite, occultist, illuminati families fit this description or seem to fit it does not mean that all Jews are bad people, does it? That does not follow. That's a fallacy. And I don't see where that's stated in the links that were attacked? Did I miss it?

I am a non-denominational Christian, white male, American. If someone traces my ancestry to Greek Orthodoxy and then back to paganism, is that person being racist against me?

If someone says that George Bush poses as a Christian but is really a Luciferian, does that mean that that person is making a racist argument against all white Christians?

How far does this scare tactic have to go before it is exposed as total bullshit?

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 05:58 | 2580019 Element
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You forgot this bit, it really clears up quite a bit of confusion about what we're all going to have to deal with in Israel:

"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."
— Menachem Begin - Israeli Prime Minister 1977–1983


If people won't open their eyes, you can't force them to.

They are the 'sheeple'.

I'd like to see the Israeli Foreign Minister and its diplomats explain to the world what Begin meant by this .. that would get really interesting, and really fast ... you'd hear a few going ... bah?? ....  ba ... baaaaahhh!??!!!!?????

And we can't have that, so what now? ... someone within zh wants us to go 'bah-bah' for them? ... sorry lizzy36, that will be a firm but cordial;


H E L L   N O !


"All that it takes for evil to prosper...", and all that.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 21:21 | 2579581 meizu
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This "leak" from US official is a message to Turkey that they will be getting no help from NATO on this, how sad for Erdogan.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 20:25 | 2579525 TSA gropee
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I wish Tamboo would contribute to the topic on hand. I see him as more of a fuckin' troll.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 21:38 | 2579602 Treeplanter
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Yeah, dirtbag Nazis.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 14:14 | 2578869 john39
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why not address the facts rather than censor?  isn't this fight club?  its seems rather obvious to me that bankers have funded both sides of wars since banking began...

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 14:57 | 2578939 Hamsterfist
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When did ZH start this policy?

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 20:12 | 2579489 Bringin It
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There is no such policy.

Our "news" is spun visciously to show only the Zionist perspective, driving us over the proverbial cliff to serve their ends.  Endless warfare in the ME for example.  I for one don't want to participate, fund or otherwise enable endless warfare in the ME.

It is helpful to look / see what suppressed truth is out there. 

Deal with that Lizzy.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 16:13 | 2579077 Think for yourself
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I'm sorry if I need to ask this, but who the fuck are you?

You might have been hanging around this forum for 3 years, but if you still confuse Zionism and jews you can't have learned much ever since... well, the 20th century.

Moreover by now you should know this is fight club, so bring out your war rhethoric and fight for your positions, or get your ass kicked. You're making absolute, broad statements without subtantiating them.

But if you're so much into sophisms, how about this nice Ad Hominem for you? I mean, I really love your name. Lizzy36. Lizzie... Reptilian, cold-blooded, psychopath. 36... occultism, kabbalah numerology, masonic. Is it really a coincidence that you bring out the classic anti-zionism (political ideology) = racism nonargument?

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 20:20 | 2579509 TSA gropee
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Great stuff. +1

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 16:34 | 2579111 tmosley
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Lizzy keeps commenting as though she were a moderator (something I doubt very much is the case).

I notice you only do this when someone posts something that is anti-Israeli. 

There is and has been racism, racism everywhere on ZH forever, and not a thing was done about it, now all of a sudden you are claiming people will get banned for it?  Lunacy.

Further, Lizzy should read about the Streisand Effect.  I wasn't going to read it, as I thought it was probably racist BS, but thanks to her threats, I did.  It's a little out there with the "lucerferianism" and such, but there is every likelihood that the Rothschilds funded both sides of that war just as they have all the other wars since their rise to power.

Sorry, was that RACIST?

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 17:07 | 2579165 Think for yourself
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Please, whatever you do, never mention the streis.and effect. Can't you see all the replies our dear old repti-lizzie garnered? It's like her sophism triggered the forum's rational immune system.

This is good for everybody, except those of ill intent who want to spread FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt).

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 02:18 | 2579939 Clashfan
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Tmosley, I am not sure why you would suggest that suspecting the ruling families of being practicing Luciferians is "a little out there."

I think perhaps you have not carefully examined it? Or do you have reasons to doubt it, reasons that you would like to share?

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 01:49 | 2579910 Clashfan
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I'm not being rhetorical. I really don't understand. Why is the second link of Tamboo's "racist" or inappropriate?

Thanks for your time. :)

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 14:05 | 2578847 magpie
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Now, there was this pamphlet created by a fictional Mr. Warburg...

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 14:59 | 2578936 tony wilson
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i had a terible traditional one sided british education.

the bbc and channel 4 gave us a view of the world.

all true they said it's the bbc we employ the greatest journalistic brains and the best world history men.

we cannot lie,it is not in are nature.

nobody told us about the jewish warburg brothers one in nazi germany one running wall street.

none of are teachers had heard of anthony c sutton if they did they never told us of him.

no mention of the rockefella synthetic oil technology that kept the nazi tanks rolling.

money,power and plunder

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 20:33 | 2579534 Randall Cabot
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Filix Warburg also played a huge role in WWI and it didn't work out very well for humanity:

"Lenin was sent into Russia in the same way that you might send a vial containing a culture of cholera to be poured into the water supply of a great city." Winston Churchill commenting upon the manner by which Lenin found himself in Czarist Russia. When the Kaiser's German government allowed itself to be used in the international conspiracy to destroy the Romanovs by transporting Lenin and Trotsky in a sealed train through Germany, who also carried hundreds of millions of counterfeit 10 ruble notes. Although the German General Staff co-ordinated the venture the guiding hand behind it was the Kaiser's Minister of the Interior, the Jew Felix Warburg, an in-law of Jacob Schiff.

"By sending Lenin to Russia, our government assumed a great responsibility." General Erich Ludendorff, the German Chief of Staff.

"The Jews are responsible for Bolshevism in Russia, and Germany too. I was far too indulgent with them during my reign, and I bitterly regret the favours I showed to prominent Jewish bankers." Kaiser Wilhelm II an embittered but wiser man: interview in exile after the Great War to the Chicago Tribune July 2nd, 1922

"Put more force into the terror . . . shoot every tenth person, place all the suspects in concentration camps!" Vladimir Ilyich Lenin (1870-1924) the supposed founder of the Bolsheviks and leader of the Bolshevik Revolution and first head of the USSR.



Sun, 07/01/2012 - 21:32 | 2579590 Joseph Jones
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I can't remember the name, but in the not too distant past someone was running for either POTUS or VP.  He wasn't the choice of the Rabbis so they needed to black list him.  The scandal was that he had some relationship with some group that said the Jews got what they deserved in WW2.  (I'm a pure pacifist who proclaims only peace even in the face of certain death or any crminial act being perpetrated on me, so don't confuse me with anyone wishing pain on anyone else.)

The funny thing is the Rabbis themself during WW2 said exactly the above: yes, they state that the Jews who died under Hitler got exactly what they desereved?  Why did they deserve starvation, and wrongful imprisonment?  Because they turned against the Rabbis and did not obey the Rabbis.

So the rub is, the hypocrisy is: it's OK to setup hateful theology about Jews that lead to innocent Jewish death, but only if you are a Rabbi.  If the Rabbis consider someone their enemy, and desire to destroy that person, then the same act that is OK for Rabbis is suddenly the most profane evil extant. 

Get it, you stupid goyim?   

Standard Oil indeed invented the mass-processing method used by Hitler to convert oil into deisel fuel.  Many Americans, including members of the US Congress benefitted financially by owning stock in Standard Oil at the time.  




Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:28 | 2578724 otto skorzeny
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AIPAC/Israel enabler

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 21:45 | 2579613 Joseph Jones
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The Rabbis decided at least a C prior to 1948 to invent their cochamamie nation of "Israel" for god's alleged "chosen people" (who John the Beloved Apostle calls "the Synagogue of Satan" in Revelation 2:9, 3:9), people alleged to have the world's best DNA, better than yours, a mere goyim, because only Jews are human beings and all goyim are only mongrels.  

The Rabbis picked this magic number of "six million" innocent deaths way back to at least the early 20th C.  In at least two other incidents several decades prior to the alleged "holocaust" the Rabbis proclaimed the same lie as per "holocaustianty": that some evil goyim killed "six million" poor innocent Jews.  They tried ratcheting the holocaust figure up to 10 million, but it wouldn't stick, so they had to settle on 6 million later (what hateful bigots you evil goyim are!)

The fact that apparently there were more Jews alive at the end of WW2 then before the war started seems to not hurt their little tale one bit.  But why should it, when "holocaustiantiy" is the true single Western Religion?  Also the fact that there are plenty of German eyewitnesses who deny the holocaust happened as per the history books is of no problem to the West either.  Everyone knows all Germans are only liars and evil scum, right?

I'm sure you won't believe this unless you've read Michael Hoffman's book or you are a Rabbi yourself who studies the Talmud: The Rabbis teach they argued/debated with God, God lost, and now God takes orders from the Rabbis.

Rabbinical Talmudism in essence, is the worship of the Judaic male as God.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:37 | 2578741 Nikao7
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There is a lot of evidence pointing to Jewish elements using there brethren as a sacrifice via Germany to set up the greatest "poor us" mentality in order to estrablish there stronghold in Middle East.  An us against the world mentality used to absolute perfection to this very hour to do as they please as elements of the fake Jews walk all over the rest of the world.  Screaming anti semite when all the just criticism of those fake Jews is rightfully leveled against their many crimes against humanity.  Not the least of which the Palestinians.

Their refusal to let their Nuclear capabilities be investigated.  HYPOCRITES of the highest level.

A disgusting display of utter wickedness.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:43 | 2578763 otto skorzeny
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Israel has been brainwashing the US evangelicals(via Pat Robertson,advertising on CBN,etc) for dacades that all of this mid-east religious bullshit will ignite Book of Revelations-type Gotterdamerung where Judeo-Christians will prevail. the sad part is its all a front for the US to keep  the cheap oil flowing and the House of Saud to maintain power. If Iran would "play the game" they would be left alone-but then again Qadaffi was axed for no reason

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 18:56 | 2579382 Think for yourself
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If you really think that Judeo-Christians will prevail or that the entire theater is solely orchestrated for mere national hegemony over ressources, you'll be in for a shock. In order to implement absolute globalism (or fascism or statism - at their extrema all of these continuums join together), all cultures, religions and nations need to be - and are being - destroyed.

What is going on is not regional geopolitical play, nor even a play for global hegemony between major powers. As political events are calculated, cultures shaped, national identities redefined and individual subjectivities conditionned ,through all the levels of manipulation currently going on, it is the actual historical narrative of the human race which is being traced. Our future is being carved in a nice block shape with nice, controlled straight lines so it fits in the globalists' cage like a hand in a glove.

Iran is playing the game, and has been for a while, even if - maybe - they themselves are not aware of it. The Shah was a dialectical prelude to an anti-american polarization that was used to place CIA-trained Khomeini into power, thus radicalizing Iran's politics towards islamism (although apparently not enough, which is why the west needs to keep poking it with the cattle prod)... War is in the air, and avoid making the naive mistake of thinking it wasn't the goal all along. 

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 02:26 | 2579947 Clashfan
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Yes, TFY, and it's Luciferian conditioning.

And Jews as a whole are different and function in sects. Some pay less attention to the Talmud. I have had Jewish people tell me that they don't believe the racist crap in the Talmud. And there are even different versions of the Talmud. Plenty of people, even non-Jews, use the Kabbala. It is suspected to be the book or one of the books used in SRA programming. Other Jews pay more attention to the Torah. And like Christians, many Jews don't practice "Judaism" or practice very little.

See how this develops from Phariseeism. Jesus himself said something to these Pharisees, allegedly. Then there's that little bit of history called Babylonian captivity.

But Luciferianism, the religion of the secret societies and the subculture of the elites, infiltrates all religions. Several bishops have written books about satanism being practiced in the Vatican, for example. Yes, bishops. Yes, books.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:51 | 2578801's picture

There is a huge amount of literature describing how the Zionists made it very difficult to save Jews during and after World War II. As various individuals and organizations were trying to arrange departures of Jews to western countries, the Zionists worked overtime to prevent this from happening. They expressed the opinion that building up the Jewish population of Palestine was more important than enabling Jews to go to third countries, and they insisted to western powers that Jews should not be accepted anywhere other than Palestine. Indeed, Yitzchak Greenbaum, a famous Zionist, proclaimed that “one cow in Palestine was worth more than all the Jews in Poland.” The infamous David Ben-Gurion said in 1938:

"If I knew it was possible to save all the children in Germany by taking them to England, and only half of the children by taking them to Eretz Israel, I would choose the second solution. For we must take into account not only the lives of these children but also the history of the people of Israel."

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 15:26 | 2578985 mick_richfield
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You can't get votes, up or down, if the first character in your comment is italicized.

I am starting this post with a blank line, to see if I can give myself an uptick.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 15:27 | 2578987 mick_richfield
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Yes, that works. 

But if the very first character is italicized, you might wonder why you get no feedback.

Sacrilege -- bugalert.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 17:51 | 2579252 BigJim
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 The trick is to start a quote with a space, but make sure the space is not italicized - like this.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 15:51 | 2579041's picture


You can't get votes, up or down, if the first character in your comment is italicized.

I am starting this post with a blank line, to see if I can give myself an uptick.


Yeah, if you start with an blank line and make sure that it is not included in the quoted area then folks can vote. Sometimes I forget. Thanks for your comment.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 02:29 | 2579949 Clashfan
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Many Jews spoke out against Zionism throughout history and even during Israel's creation. Many speak out against Israeli policy today.

The folks who would call others who do this "racist" or "antisemitic" call such Jews "self-hating Jews." Yes, they do call them that. I have seen at least one Jewish-by-birth Israeli supporter do this very thing on FB.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:37 | 2578750 cossack55
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"Give me an N"

"Give me an A"

Give me a Z........I mean T"

"Give me an I.......I mean O"

"Whats that spell"

"NAZI.......we mean NATO"


Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:46 | 2578785 otto skorzeny
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the nazis at least dressed it up as nationalism for a "Greater Germany"-NATO is just a front for some half-assed NWO where there is one cashless currency and no borders for the flow of cheap labor/no enviromental regulations

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 21:05 | 2579570 Joseph Jones
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You forgot the simple retort, a favorite of practitioners of Rabbinical Talmudism like yourself (or their sycophants): "anti-semite."

I find your comment anti-Germanic in that it suspends Germans in the never ending pergutory of acts committed mostly by persons never even born when the alleged acts occurred.  Why is it that only Judaics deserve laws to send persons to prison for certain speech, such as that considered "holocaust denial".

Oh yes, then there is your beloved "holocaustianty" the true, highest religion and sacrament of all western thought and culture.  The alleged crime that finally wiped off the face of history, erased from man's memory, the fact that Ioudaios (u-DI-ohs, not j-e-w) committed the worst crime in man's history, the murdered Jesus Christ.

And why do we employ the word Ioudaios?  Because, of course, the word "j-e-w" first appeared in print in 1775AD in a play ("he has a beard like a Jew").  Don't argue with me, but rather take your pathetic old transparent contradiction to Oxford. 

Yes, indeed, Jesus Christ was not a so-called Jew, because someone can not be labeled by a word that does not exist.  Pilate's transcription was not "King of the Jews" but rather "Jesus of Nazereth, Leader of the Judeans" and "Judeans" means only someone from Judea, with absolutely no religious connotation whatsover.   

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 02:31 | 2579951 Clashfan
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Some even claim that different printings and translations of the Bible have eroded the difference that originally existed between Jews and Judeans in the texts.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 14:42 | 2578795 LULZBank
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I think both "sides" are being fed crap and have been conditioned for a big war. I read something similar to the article below about 20 years ago and thought it was just some fairy tale. Now I would think, probably not.

According to the Hadith No.11 it is very clear that the Antichrist will enter Syria followed by 70,000 armed Zionists to position himself in Damascus. One morning, Jesus (pbuh) will descend in the eastern part of Damascus near a white minaret to begin the holy campaign against the false messiah. The Antichrist will flee towards Israel through the Afiq Pass, but Jesus (pbuh) will overtake him and destroy him at the airfield in Lod just 13 miles south east of Tel-Aviv. The Israelites will be destroyed putting an end to their treacherous community; whereas with the destruction of the Cross, all the religious communities will merge into the single community of Islam.

This war has surely been in the making for 20+ years atleast.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 18:41 | 2579373 zuuuueri
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if all these religious freaks of every flavor already know how it's supposed to play out, can't they just call it a day, go the hell home and cut the crap already? the rest of the world would prefer to not have some maniacs trying to start ww3 every other week!

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 20:51 | 2579563 Iwanttoknow
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Why is Jesus coming in Islamic armageddon?

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 23:57 | 2579794 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Iwanttoknow asked:

Why is Jesus coming in Islamic armageddon?

Belief in Jesus is a requirement of being a Muslim.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 14:42 | 2578919 Cortez the Killer
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And this is a bad thing, why?

Arabs have done nothing with their land.  Let the Jews take it (by force if necessary) and turn it into a garden in the desert.

It is the natural order of things

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 16:38 | 2579120 tmosley
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And turn it into an unlivable wasteland within a hundred years.

Irrigation in regions that get no rain will slowly build up salt in the soil, making the land uninhabitable.  This is what caused the downfall of many great Middle Eastern civilizations.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 17:57 | 2579263 BigJim
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Hey, your neighbours tell me you've done 'nothing' with your property, too... at least compared with Japanese terrace farmers.

I say that means they're entitled to take your land and grow rice on it.

Racist cunt.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 20:21 | 2579512 Bringin It
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re. Racist cunt.

Well check out his handle ... Cortez the Killer.  I'm afraid you've been MDB'd.

Wht would you expect Cortez the Killer to say?

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 21:13 | 2579576 Joseph Jones
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Pay attention to the above transparent pure, unadulterated hatred and bigotry you stupid goyim!

I suppose we're supposed to approve of a group of people who's highest holy book (BT, Babylonian Talmud) specifies: "Even the best of the gentiles deserve only death"?  Or the Rabbis, like the one in NYC now who murdered a baby by sucking its penis during bris, gave the baby herpes, and it died?

You hate Muslim Sharia Law?  How about Talmudism in NYC, where the lovely law-makers of NYC enshrined the Rabbis by allowing them to felate babies.  Yes, they are legally protected to felate babies! 


Mon, 07/02/2012 - 02:33 | 2579954 Clashfan
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Link? Is this true? Tough to believe it w/no other support, sorry. :)

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 15:02 | 2578945 Vigilante
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I hope so. the way Turkey has grown too big for its boots...

Downsizing time!

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 23:35 | 2579778 rotagen
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False flag light.... quasi false flag....false flag dress rehearsal.....FALSE FLAGGOT.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:47 | 2578633 lizzy36
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How about a nice game of chess.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:05 | 2578668 sunaJ
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Me no gorilla.  Me smart!  

Must.  Pound.  Chest.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:06 | 2578670 Ignatius
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Cui Bono?

Keep tension on a bedsheet and by morning you'll own it.

That is, until your partner gets tired of being cold and 'corrects' the situation.


Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:17 | 2578693 FeralSerf
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It sounds like not all of America's Power Elites are on the same page on the desireablity of war with Syria.  The elites with the military/intelligence power seem to be more cautious than the political power side now.

This is a very interesting development.  It may be a clue about who our future rulers might be.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 20:23 | 2579519 Bringin It
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Admiral Fallon was a great guy.  A Patriot in difficult times.

Maybe there are more?

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 20:54 | 2579565 Iwanttoknow
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I commented on this site on Admiral fallon.Thank you for your post.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:50 | 2578637 Kataphraktos
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The Turks have been doing this to Greece for decades, violating our airspace and provoking us, and now you give a shit?

We shall most certainly see you in hell, on the level reserved for all broke-ass idiots.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:00 | 2578660 RoadKill
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But Greece can't afford surface to air missles - so its ok!

Maybe Greece should start sucking up to despots in Russia, Iran and China to get some money!

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:36 | 2578744 otto skorzeny
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greece just bought/took delivery a bunch of German U-boats dumbass- I'm sure the Germans bankers floated the loan-it'll be fun to see the size of the tow truck neede to repo them

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 18:45 | 2579381 zuuuueri
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yeah a wonderful scandal.. these submarines cost more than the 'list' price and were delivered in non-funcitoning condition. that whole submarine deal was just a nice side-scam on the bigger scam of all this debt.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:01 | 2578661 Tyler Durden
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It appears that Syria actually did something about it.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 16:51 | 2579138 slewie the pi-rat
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i was reading this yesterday morning and got into the second half of it all and couldn't process any more info

the author (judyBello) puts her biases and process on the table, but whether her contact info interests them or not,  people may want the xlnt content here Hands Off Syria! » Counterpunch

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:02 | 2578665 Abitdodgie
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If you go to Google Mars and go to "71"49'19'77 N 29"32'30'06 W and zoom into -16924FT " you will see we have a base there , so this kind of changes the rules of the game , if they nuke us all they just go off planet .

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:42 | 2578766 LowProfile
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Yep, that tiny white pixilated blob is clearly a base.  /sarc

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 16:35 | 2579117 Bansters-in-my-...
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Hey Abitdodgie....

Meds are a lttle strong for ya...?

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:30 | 2578732 Peter Pan
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The hypocritical Germans and French want the Greeks to repay their debts and for her to buy weapons systems from them, yet they have never told Turkey to stop making threats to the Greeks about drilling for oil in the Aegean so she can then at least service her debts.

It's funny how throughout the whole Greek crisis those Germans, the IMF and the US have never encouraged the Greeks to drill for oil.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 15:48 | 2579037 fiddy pence haf...
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that's because they have already told Greece that they want the oil, at next to no variable cost. They want the oil for pennies on the barrel, or else they'll keep the Turkish boot on their throats for as long as they need to, or want to.

I'm surprised that the sold out politicians in Greece have sold the oil yet.


Sun, 07/01/2012 - 15:37 | 2579014 mick_richfield
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Well -- what would you suggest, when the aggression is between two NATO members? 

If an attack against one is an attack against all, would that make a fight between Turkey and Greece two attacks against all?

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 15:53 | 2579042 fiddy pence haf...
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no. Greece would lose before it starts.

You do realise, I hope, that Turkey was the benefactor when Greece had a junta forced on it by the US, largely in order to create the right conditions to split Cyprus in two. And with that done , in 1974, the junta just walked out of the government offices, like they had been there for a visit.


Now you might have an idea why more Greeks didn't vote

Syriza. The others are corrupt, but we know what they're capable of.

We don't know who the boss of Syriza is (he's not Greek) and just

how badly they're sold out to foreign powers of another stripe.

Even if we did vote Syriza, the bankocracy is dead set thatthe EU will not go bankrupt now, so Syriza would get tricked and Greece would get sent deeper into the fires of hell.

THis whole debt illusion is just US vs EU financial jockeying, but the starvation is very real.

Foreign occupation in Greece is never an simple issue.

There's still hope that Spain will revolt.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:51 | 2578638 DoChenRollingBearing
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Turkey scrambles some jets because Syria flies some of their choppers near their border?  Big deal.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:56 | 2578648 CrashisOptimistic
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Maybe the F16s were there to marvel at the accuracy of the chopper pilots' navigation skills, staying on their own side of the border.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:17 | 2578695 LULZBank
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Syrian chopper pilots: This is how you do it Bitchezz!!!

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 14:28 | 2578895 ghengis86
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Why didn't they just scramble some more F4's?


Sun, 07/01/2012 - 15:15 | 2578964 GCT
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The F4 was cheap and expendable and that was the plan all along.  NATO is checking Syria's air defenses.  The bird was flown in to check the response times and the time it took to take it down.  Once those Radar installations powered up we located them. If they were not mobile installations they will be doomed once NATO intervenes. We cannot have those expensive F16's doing that now can we!

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 18:33 | 2579360 Lumberjack
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"The bird was flown in to check the response times and the time it took to take it down.  Once those Radar installations powered up we located them."


Remember what they did in bosnia with off the shelf microwave ovens?  

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:51 | 2578639 squexx
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I hope they nuke Israel but wait until Hillary and Obongo visit!

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:53 | 2578643 BattlegroundEur...
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aka.  Hitlary & Odumba.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:00 | 2578658 john39
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Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:36 | 2578748 Overfed
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Sun, 07/01/2012 - 15:04 | 2578950 Vigilante
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Sutoro in modern Indonesian...

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 02:37 | 2579957 Clashfan
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Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:51 | 2578640 Judge
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Simple fact is, planes cross borders all the time, they pick up an escort or are warned away.... most nations don't fire on them unless they are at war.   While turkey's plane crossing is a 'violation' it could have been a simple mistake - happens often and that's why countries don't just blow planes out of the sky when they cross an imaginary, insignificant line.

Doesn't mean NATO should go to war either, but to say Syria was exercising 'self-defense' is simply wrong.....

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:15 | 2578689 financial apoca...
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smartest comment on the list judge

why does Tyler always have to take Syria's side?

"they pick up an escort or are warned away...."

Paranoid Assad's assholes, the fuck can a F-4 do, its a miracle these things can even take-off

Then again Turkey was in enemy airspace and is also making a big fucking deal

I wonder if the puppet masters on either side are orchstrating this to kickstart the global war machine agn, things are getting pretty fuckin dull with all this peace and love in the air

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:21 | 2578706 LULZBank
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Their are secret services and agents of various countries operating inside Syria, it already is a war, just that CNN is not covering it that way.

In peace times, such violations are normal as you say, but when you are fucking with someone and the other party knows you are fucking, then you cant just get away with "oopss, sorry. My bad."

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 20:32 | 2579532 Bringin It
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- Simple fact is, planes cross borders all the time,

Syria does not live in your 'Mr. Roger's Neighborhood'.

It's a dangerous place the Syrians find themselves in.

Sometimes they act accordingly.


Mon, 07/02/2012 - 04:42 | 2579998 BorisTheBlade
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Their are secret services and agents of various countries operating inside Syria, it already is a war, just that CNN is not covering it that way

yeah, and there is a reason for that.

“In time of war, when truth is so precious, it must be attended by a bodyguard of lies” / Churchill

CNN, just like other MSM are the bodyguards of lies covering otherwise routine covert operations.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 20:33 | 2579533 DrewJackson
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Remember Israel bombed their nuclear program a few years ago.   With the rebellion actively going on, with new cold war overtones unindentifed objects are going to be shot at.  

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 22:01 | 2579630 sumo
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"Simple fact is, planes cross borders all the time, they pick up an escort or are warned away"

Yes of course.

You know that all mapping and GPS technology that you get in your smart phone?

Turkey's military can't afford it, so, whoops, their planes just cross those pesky borders sometimes.

Gosh! It's so hard to fly a military jet with a paper map and compass. Please, give generously, so Turkey can upgrade.


Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:51 | 2578641 BattlegroundEur...
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You won't see this on main stream news.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:00 | 2578655 I am Jobe
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U are right . MSM will never cover this. How about TomKat Divorce to keep the masses happy, like they don't have anything to worry about. LOL. Must love the sheeples.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:25 | 2578675 AssFire
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When the American people seek justice, they will seek out Judge Judy.

If they learn the truth- Television will never be the same. Reality TV etc, all of it will be ruined for them.

The EBT cards will still work at McDonalds, so for most this will be worse than the dollar collapse.

Unable to read most will demand more cartoons to ease their pain.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:52 | 2578642 slaughterer
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I hear NATO will launch a full-out attack for a few vintage Bollingers.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:53 | 2578644 GeneMarchbanks
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HoS supposedly has sent troops to the southern border of Syria near Jordan.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:53 | 2578646 ZeroAvatar
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Just bring it, already.  Let's get this show started. I'm tired of waiting.


    A young nephew of mine returned from Russia 2 days ago, where he is learning Russian (as an exchange student?).  I asked him, " Why is it that no matter what the US says, Russia has an opposing view?  (US wants to 'defend the freedom fighters vs Russia sez fighters are terrorists), or US wants to assist innocent civilians (Lybia) vs Russia sez govt's should be left alone do deal with their own problems). 


   My very intelligent 23 year old Mormon nephew said, "Russia will 'spite' the US every chance it gets.  Putin, et al, hates the US, and does everything it can to, again, 'spite' us.  Wow.  I never actually saw it that way, but it's true.  Russia wants the downfall of the US, plain and simple, and war is not very far off.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:58 | 2578651 Spastica Rex
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Where does one even start?

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:01 | 2578664 john39
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lost me at intelligent mormon.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:28 | 2578726 FeralSerf
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." -Lucius Annaeus Seneca (4?BCE - 61CE)

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:49 | 2578793 Nikao7
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I'm a man who has poured over the scriptures found in the HB.  But I will be the first to acknowledge the whole of Christendom is a disgusting groupl of hypocrites.   They are religious people and religion is truly a tool of oppression.

No different now than it was in the times of Jesus.  He told the leaders back then that they (paraphrasing)"shut up the Kingdom of God from those trying to enter in,  so that neither they nor those who listened to them could enter in to any rest".

What I searched through and was able to apply to my own life has forever changed me for the better.  But I find it immpossible to take part in any religious sects.  They disgust me with their utter lack of completely missing the beauty of what the NT writings can lead a man from.  Most of Christendom do not treat nor love their fellow man as himself.  Thereby trampling all over the golden rule.

Imagaine if the whole of mankind did truly treat and love his fellow man as himself?  That would make for a lovely world.  But the whole of Christendom fails miserably at just that.

Christendom as a whole is a disgusting display of "religion".  Hence my continual study of scripture accompanied by no affiliation with any of the religious sects of Christendom.


Sun, 07/01/2012 - 14:29 | 2578897 sablya
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Sure, there are lots of false Christians but it is possible to find real ones.  The Church is Christ's body and the gates of hell will never prevail against it.  Therefore, a lack of affiliation with any Christians is a sign of hatred which is a sign of being far from Christ.  

Whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness.  Whoever loves his brother abides in the light, and in him there is no cause for stumbling. But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.

(1 John 2:9-11 ESV)


Sun, 07/01/2012 - 15:04 | 2578948 tenpanhandle
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He who takes a book written by the hand of man thousands of years ago and revels in it as opposed to what his own eyes show him is led off a cliff.


(tenpanhandle 7-12 zerohedge comments)

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 16:07 | 2579066 Nikao7
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Disgusted and hatread are not the same.  Jesus made it blatantly obvious that he was disgusted by the orginized religion of his days.  YOU ARE WAY off base with your comment in regards to me.

Favorite of your type is say things like "don't forsake the gathering of the saints".  Sorry but there is no gathering of Saints in Christendom.  Just a gathering of a lot of hypocrites and carnal Christians who don't know Jesus at all.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 19:52 | 2579470 TSA gropee
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You judge the many by the few. Myopic at best. Besides, who are you to judge anyone anyways? Do you often read the cover of a book and decide it's not worth reading because?

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 20:36 | 2579538 Think for yourself
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He´s rather arguing that it´s the other way around - there are many more conceited, self-righteous or poser types involved in the Church as an institution than genuinely loving people. He´s judging the few by the many they decide to hang out with.

Then consider the fact that the Church is led by corrupt luciferian fucks, compounded by the fact that genuinely loving people will be even more loving once they withdraw themselves from the corrupt influences embodied in the Church, and you´ll find that there is much wisdom in not passively sustaining it by your participation. The Kingdom of God is within you, not within a church, not in a statue of holy jesus fucking christ on a stick, and even less in the Holy See, a throne of gold and blood sitting atop the corpses of abused children.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 22:33 | 2579670 Nikao7
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I was going to make a reply until I read your reply.  Well said.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 14:06 | 2578849 Herd Redirectio...
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So what if Russia says something and the US says the opposite?  Is that the US spiting Russia?  Or is that Russia spiting US still?   Or does Russia have to wait for 'America' to get its turn to speak?  Lets face it, the oligarchs over here in North America need to have an enemy for the sheeple to fear, thats why the image of Russia has been cultivated like it has been.  Its basically a grown-up version of the boogeyman, and yet, people still fall for it.

I don't give two shits about who is in power in Russia, or in North America and what they claim their values to be, but I can tell you the average person in both countries is very similar.  But if you tell people that its not so easy to keep them in fear, and 'divide and conquer' them, is it?

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 23:57 | 2579795 ZeroAvatar
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So, the average person in both countries is very similar? I agree.  That's not going to stop Russian nukes from landing on American soil. Did you hear about the huge demonstation last week, the people against Putin?  They don't want him.  We don't want Obummer.  But they're calling the shots, not 'the people'.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:01 | 2578662 GeneMarchbanks
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Wow. Your nephew should hook up with my 21 year old virgin nymphomaniac niece.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 00:02 | 2579805 ZeroAvatar
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He says he's not into dating that much, believe it or not.  Studies all the time.  He says Russian 'girls' are very loose.  I told him to make as many babies as he can.  His 'demographic' is threatened.  I also advised him he may end up better off staying in Russia.   When the war starts, he might be able to claim asylum.


  I think Russia (with China's help, of course) is either going to win the war against the US or at the very least end up in a 'tie'.  American infrastructure will be in shambles, the atmosphere likely poisoned.  People here in the US just are too stupid to see what's about to take place.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 15:10 | 2578958 Poetic injustice
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No need for Russia, USA is reason for it's own downfall. Entitlement and careless spending.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 17:34 | 2579224 Sandmann
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Never mind USA at least China loves U

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:55 | 2578647 mark7
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" Fair enough, we do however wonder what Syria would say about Turkey's treatment of Kurdish minorities."

I love it when Americans act like they have never done anything wrong, like bombing of Cambodian peasants during Vietnam War or treatment of Native Indians over period of three hundred years or more recently, Gitmo, torturing of Iraqis in Iraq. I wonder what Iraqis would say about that...

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:38 | 2578691 AssFire
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What we have done to some peaceful cultures versus what we have done for some deplorable cultures is amazing.

Send in the Detroiters, the Kurds will be loved.

Diversity is our weapon...ahh, I mean our strength.

Can you imaging the devastation if instead of dropping bombs we simply delivered our President's policies and our precious multicultural entitled along with UN observers to monitor the situation?

For starters; How about a 3 hour commute for all brown flight Turks in every major city?

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 15:44 | 2579026 mick_richfield
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Send in the Detroiters, the Kurds will be loved

Dog.  Take it easy on the 313.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:58 | 2578649 Tsar Pointless
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ZeroAvatar, you can interchange the two countries - the US and Russia - in that spiel, and you'd also be correct. It's what the Hegelian dialect - much like the "hokey-pokey" - is all about.

Oh, and here is this from the archives again, just for a few pointless shits and giggles.

Blood borders
How a better Middle East would look
By Ralph Peters
Armed Forces Journal - June 2006

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 12:59 | 2578654 RoadKill
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Talk about puffing up a bunch of BS as an excuse just to slam the US in support of a monsterous regieme.

Please!  Who gives a F**K if the jet was shot down in Syrian airspace or not.  It was shot down, and if that's not an act of war its an extremely shitty thing to do.

First this is not like the US where our enemies are thousands of miles across an ocean.  These countries are practically on top of each other.  If a Canadian or Mexican jet breifly crossed into our territory would we shoot it down?  No!  We'd think it was in some kind of trouble and contact it to offer help.

But this is an asshole regime that is killing tens of thousands of its own civilians.  And its shit scared that Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Isreal and the US are willing to go to war with it to stop it (as well as hopefully get Iran to do something stupid to give them an excuse to cut the head off the snake).

I don't want the US to move against Syria or Iran because I am selfish and don't want to pay the tax bill, but if I could push a button and send somebody else's millitary in to kill the shitheads in charge of Syrai AND Iran I would.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:07 | 2578672 GeneMarchbanks
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Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:08 | 2578676 Abitdodgie
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You watch to much MSM.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:09 | 2578678 mark7
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That is why we got international weapons dealers :) Too bad they arrested that Russian guy, he was very helpful during first Gulf War with his big cargo planes. I'd bet there is an ongoing big gun show inside Turkey for Syrian rebels with fancy SWAP cards (Supplemental Weapons Assistance Program), resetting every turn of the month.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 20:39 | 2579543 Bringin It
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His mistake was he took his business to Columbia.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:26 | 2578717 mkhs
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Our enemies are not thousands of miles away; they are currently in DC and they hate us for our freedoms.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 15:46 | 2579033 mick_richfield
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And they currently don't have any electricity, so they are not reading this.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 19:39 | 2579454 TSA gropee
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Now that's funny no matter how you slice it. haha.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 21:03 | 2579569 NoClueSneaker
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Pssst, the Muppets in DC have a price tag ~ 1.8 M$ per pork face, and they're kinda cheapo wetbacks fer the real nmies ... How about lounching some cruise missiles on 200 West Street, NY ?

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 15:04 | 2578949 tony wilson
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roadkill crawl back onto the highway so you can be killed for real.

for fuck sake another bin laden just when you thought he was dead he is back.

roadkill i suggest suicide by a strangers truck

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 17:33 | 2579220 Sandmann
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Of course you would shoot it down. They failed to do so on 9/11 and look what happened

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 23:14 | 2579738 Iwanttoknow
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Failed to do so?Hmmm.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 19:12 | 2579420 Think for yourself
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I wonder what would happen if a cuban F-4 entered floridian airspace for approx 5. minutes, technically enough to fly over 100 miles and make a bombing run practically anywhere in the state - Orlando, Tampa, Miami, what have you....

I won't even talk about your blatant warmongering and psychopathy. You seem to have a critical case of MSM-itis, and no solution short of inserting a metallic proboscis through your ocular globe and into the brain could possibly work.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:00 | 2578657 cherry picker
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I am "Insurgent"

I carry no weapon for I do not wish to hurt the innocent.

I believe NATO should be disbanded.

I no longer honor any flag.

I bow to no "leader" as they pull on trousers the same way I do, therefore they do not deserve the honor of being bowed to.

I no longer believe in this system.

I will live free by my own principles and wish my brothers and sisters well. 

I hope the children of this world are all fed, loved and sheltered.

I am "insurgent".

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:18 | 2578697 Winston of Oceania
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natural law

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 19:25 | 2579439 TSA gropee
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Nicely put. I am though, dying to read the logic and reason behind why the asswipe gave you a minus. Should make for enlightening reading.

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