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Turkey Scrambles F-16s On Syria Border As US Intelligence Says Syrian Story Was Correct All Along

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Last week's false flag story of baseless Middle Eastern provocation refuses to go away. Even after, in a shocking turn of events, US intelligence confirmed this weekend that Syria's version of events surrounding the downed Turkish F-4 jet story was the right one all along, pulling the media narrative rug right from under Hillary Clinton's provocative feet (and making others wonder just which country is the only one that stands to benefit of NATO does pull Article 4 or 5 and does invade Syria on now invalidated and false premises), today we read that Turkey continues to try to escalate. From the BBC: "Turkey has scrambled six F-16 fighters jets near its border with Syria after Syrian helicopters came close to the border, the country's army says. A total of six jets were sent to the area in response to three such incidents on Sunday, although there was no border violation, the Reuters news agency quoted the statement saying. On Friday, Turkey said it had begun deploying rocket launchers and anti-aircraft guns along the border in response to the downing of its F-4 Phantom jet." Of course, without an actual confirmed provocation, such as the one Turkey itself pulled against Syria, it is left with the same media rhetoric that continues to expose just one side of the Syrian story - the Western media spun one. "Turkey has strongly criticised Syria's response to the 16-month anti-government uprising, which has seen more than 30,000 Syrian refugees enter Turkey." Fair enough, we do however wonder what Syria would say about Turkey's treatment of Kurdish minorities. Finally, confirmation that just as we first suggested two weeks, this whole incident has been nothing but a provocation stage test to get NATO involved without any of the facts being on the table, comes from no other source than US military intelligence.

From the WSJ:

U.S. intelligence indicates that a Turkish warplane shot down by Syrian forces was most likely hit by shore-based antiaircraft guns while it was inside Syrian airspace, American officials said, a finding in tune with Syria's account and at odds with Turkey.

 

The Turkish government, which moved tanks to the Syrian border after the June 22 incident, says the debris fell in Syrian waters, but maintains its fighter was shot down without warning in international airspace. Ankara also has said the jet was hit too far from Syrian territory to have been engaged by an antiaircraft gun.

 

Damascus has said it shot down the plane with an antiaircraft battery with an effective range of about 1.5 miles.

 

"We see no indication that it was shot down by a surface-to-air missile" as Turkey says, said a senior defense official. Officials declined to specify the sources of their information. The senior U.S. defense official cautioned that much remains unknown about the incident.

And finally the truth:

A former senior U.S. official who worked closely with Turkey said he believed the flight's course was meant to test Syria's response. "You think that the airplane was there by mistake?" the former official said.

 

"These countries are all testing how fast they get picked up and how fast someone responds," said a senior U.S. official. "It's part of training."

 

The Turkish official said the plane wasn't on a surveillance mission. "All NATO members have condemned the Syrian hostile act and have supported Turkey," the official said.

Gee, let's see here: confirmed self-defense and yet "all NATO members" are promptly on the side of the aggressor. How original. Finally, there's this:

The U.S.-Turkish relationship is unlikely to be affected by the apparent discrepancies in accounts of the downing of the jet. Cooperation between Ankara and Washington has grown closer in recent months, after a period of significant strain in 2009 and 2010.

 

That marks a turnaround for Turkey, which 18 months ago moved to cultivate relations and trade with neighboring Muslim regimes, including Mr. Assad's, while downgrading ties with former ally Israel, raising concerns in Washington.

Which begs the question: now that the US has openly sold Turkey down the river, was this whole plan merely one spun out of that other "former ally" which after seeing its provocative clout vis-a-vis Iran's "despotic dictators" evaporate, is urgently trying to come up with other locus of potential warmongering?

Of course, as long as NATO has the back of any aggressor no matter what the facts say, all is good.

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Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:18 | 2578699 Treeplanter
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Nazi Garbage.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:44 | 2578777 lizzy36
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More racist links like this and you will have commenting privileges suspended.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:48 | 2578788 otto skorzeny
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some of us look forward to Tamboo's links

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:54 | 2578808 markmotive
Sun, 07/01/2012 - 14:43 | 2578918 Jack Napier
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These bankers are not Jewish. They call themselves Ashkenazi Jews, but they are from the nation of Georgia, not Israel, and they are in fact luciferian. They hide behind the label of Jew to deflect any opposition as antisemitic which is not true. Censoring this or calling people racist who expose this is ignorant.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 15:57 | 2579050 AldousHuxley
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zionists are fucked.

Israel supported Gaddafi's troops in Libya by sending 50,000 mercenaries on the same side with Russia and China.

 

France beat US by invading first and secured cheap oil contracts.

 

Syria is fight between EU (France, Turkey) vs. Russia/China over oil pipelines.

 

Best for US to stay out of it until the very end like in WWII. Time for China/Russia to waste money on military conflict.

 

 

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 07:23 | 2580100 New_Meat
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France?

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 16:55 | 2579155 Jake88
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are you sure they aren't shape shifting reptilians. put your tin foil hat back on. they can tell what you're thinking.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 20:11 | 2579494 Randall Cabot
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"These bankers are not Jewish. They call themselves Ashkenazi Jews, but they are from the nation of Georgia, not Israel, and they are in fact luciferian. They hide behind the label of Jew to deflect any opposition as antisemitic which is not true."

What lame-brained drivel that is.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 20:34 | 2579535 TSA gropee
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Randall, I'm not advocating any position here. What I am bringing to light as that you call it lame-brained drivel but yet offer zero to support your statement. Just sayin'

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 21:43 | 2579603 Bringin It
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Randall - educate yourself.

Shattering a 'national mythology' - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

Not Georgia, but a little north east of Georgia.  On the Caspian, not the Black Sea.

Ghengis Khan sent them fleeing Westward and the rest is history.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 22:46 | 2579661 Randall Cabot
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TSA, The OP didn't offer any support to back his link's claim that the Rothschilds aren't jews. The grandfather of the original five brothers was a rabbi, they lived on Jew Alley, they worked for other jew banks, the Rothschild males were only permitted to marry other jews, preferably first cousins -even a softball author like Morton wrote that. Now, if the OP meant to say that they, and all the other Askhenazi jews, weren't related to the original jews of the Levant than that is a different ball of wax.

Bringin It, I know all about The Thirteenth Tribe by Koestler and I believe that theory has some merit but I don't believe that the Khazars or any other peoples who lived in the Khazar Kingdom, comprise a large proprortion of the Ashkenazi jews. The most credible theory is that jew males migrated into Europe long ago and intermarried with converted European women and that is where most Ashkenazi jews originated. Recent DNA testing supports this.

I'm not buying into the Luciferian tripe either, I think jews like the Rothschilds are jew supremacists first and foremost but that doesn't necessarily mean that mindset derives solely from their supremacist religion. I think the ethnic in-group bonding that has persisted from ancient times plays a major part in it as well.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 22:52 | 2579690 Bringin It
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Randall - read the link.

The author, Prof. Shlomo Sands - says the Romans did not exile populations because the game plan was to tax the conquered. 

The most credible theory is that jew males migrated into Europe long ago and intermarried with converted European women and that is where most Ashkenazi jews originated. Recent DNA testing supports this.

Everything you are saying is true.  And most of this inter-marrying with converted European women took place in Khazaria.  Hence, they're mostly Khazars.  No big deal one way or the other about Khazars, except that they have no direct ancestral connection to Palestine.

The study of population genetics has been gamed to steer away from looking too deeply into Ashkenaz origin.  For example, something like the NYT will proclaim that 'New study shows that all Jewish mitochondrial DNA is from the ME.'  Ever hear of 'Out of Africa'?  Look at a map.  The mitochondrial DNA of almost everyone alive passed thru the ME.  I could go on.

 

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 00:17 | 2579816 Bringin It
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Wow!  I almost forgot. 

The Romans did not exile populations. 

So what became of the Biblical Jews and their descendants?

While generally remaining in Palestine, they fell under the Islamic conquest after 700 AD and for the most part converted.  Ironicly, their present day descendants are of course the Palestinians brutally oppressed by the very people who have usurped their ancestral identity.

 

 

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 10:28 | 2579821 Bringin It
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.

 

 

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 09:03 | 2580289 Randall Cabot
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Khazaria didn't convert to judaism until the 9th century ad, the jews I'm referring to migrated into Greece, Italy, France and Germany, etc. centuries before that. Many of the jews in Germany later migrated into Eastern Europe and brought the Yiddish language with them. Explain why the Ashkenazi jews spoke Yiddish and not the language of the Khazars.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 10:23 | 2580513 Bringin It
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Where did the earliest Jews in Europe come from?

You assume ... for some reason ... that they originated in Palestine.

In this interview, Sands was asked,

And how did millions of Jews appear around the Mediterranean Sea?

“The people did not spread, but the Jewish religion spread. Judaism was a converting religion. Contrary to popular opinion, in early Judaism there was a great thirst to convert others. The Hasmoneans were the first to begin to produce large numbers of Jews through mass conversion, under the influence of Hellenism. ... After the victory of Christianity in the fourth century, the momentum of conversion was stopped in the Christian world, and there was a steep drop in the number of Jews. Presumably many of the Jews who appeared around the Mediterranean became Christians. But then Judaism started to permeate other regions – pagan regions, for example, such as Yemen and North Africa. Had Judaism not continued to advance at that stage and had it not continued to convert people in the pagan world, we would have remained a completely marginal religion, if we survived at all.”

http://peoplesgeography.com/2008/03/24/sands-the-invention-of-the-diaspo... 

Also, German was for a long time the trade language of Eastern Europe.  So it is not surprising that E. European Jews developed a modified version.  At what point did Khazars stop speaking Khazar?  I don't know.  You can take that up with P. Shlomo.

 

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 10:58 | 2580652 Bringin It
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What he does claim is that Jews of Sephardi descent are likely to have originated in North Africa and that those of Eastern European descent are likely to come from the Khazarian kingdom, between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea.  ...  “It’s not my idea,” says Sand. “The great Jewish historian, Ben-Zion Dinur, described the Khazar kingdom — a land of converts to Judaism — as ‘the mother of the diaspora’. It is the only thing that can explain the massive number of Jews in Eastern Europe."

http://www.thejc.com/lifestyle/the-simon-round-interview/21817/interview...

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 13:37 | 2581092 Randall Cabot
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I said the Levant which is a larger area then Palestine and I don't think anyone knows where the earliest jews came from exactly: In The Hiram Key, Knight says that Abraham originated in Sumer and then migrated to the Levant. Who knows?

I agree that there was a lot of conversion-that's what I have been saying all along! If they converted at some point especially if it was a thousand or two years ago, aren't they jews??? Hellenism means Greek and I said that jews migrated into Greece, and other places, and converted women to marry which explains the preponderance of non-jewish mitochondrial DNA in Ashkenazi jews!

I think your main point is that the Ashkenazi jews are comprised mostly of Khazars but you pass the shekel tp Shlomo when I ask when the Khazars took up Yiddish and didn't bring any cognates of their own language with them. Wouldn't you think that if nearly all the Ashkenazi jews were Khazars there would be some Khazar cognate words adapted into Yiddish?

Aslo, how do you explain the recent DNA testing on Ashkenazi jews which shows that the majority of their DNA is European??? And don't say to take it up with Schlomo.

Bottom line: The Yiddish-speaking, significantly racially-mixed jews were forced out of Central Europe and they headed east where they joined up with the jews who were already there some of whom were converts from Khazaria.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 21:32 | 2582353 Bringin It
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o I don't think anyone knows where the earliest jews came from - Kashmir? but if you go back far enough, appearently we're all 'out of Africa'.

o If they converted at some point especially if it was a thousand or two years ago, aren't they jews??? - Sure, who said they were not?  But their connection to the "Holy Land" is not ancestral ... get it?  It's based on their religion.  Just like a Christian or a Muslim has a connection to the "Holy Land" via their religion.  They're not returning.  There was no "Exodus'.    

o you pass the shekel to Shlomo when I ask when the Khazars took up Yiddish and didn't bring any cognates of their own language with them. - No, I said German ws for centuries the trade language of Eastern Europe.  It's not surprising at all that urban newcomers, engaged in commerce would adopt a version of German.  Here's what Sands says about Yiddish -

If the Jews of Eastern Europe did not come from Germany, why did they speak Yiddish, which is a Germanic language?

“The Jews were a class of people dependent on the German bourgeoisie in the East, and thus they adopted German words. Here I base myself on the research of linguist Paul Wechsler of Tel Aviv University, who has demonstrated that there is no etymological connection between the German Jewish language of the Middle Ages and Yiddish. As far back as 1828, the Ribal (Rabbi Isaac Ber Levinson) said that the ancient language of the Jews was not Yiddish. Even Ben Zion Dinur, the father of Israeli historiography, was not hesitant about describing the Khazars as the origin of the Jews in Eastern Europe, and describes Khazaria as ‘the mother of the diasporas’ in Eastern Europe. But more or less since 1967, anyone who talks about the Khazars as the ancestors of the Jews of Eastern Europe is considered naive and moonstruck.”

http://peoplesgeography.com/2008/03/24/sands-the-invention-of-the-diaspo...

o Wouldn't you think that if nearly all the Ashkenazi jews were Khazars there would be some Khazar cognate words adapted into Yiddish?  Good question.  - Are you so familiar with Yiddish that you know there are not?

o Also, how do you explain the recent DNA testing on Ashkenazi jews which shows that the majority of their DNA is European???  - About DNA testing,  my employment for many years involved analyzing human genetics.  A big tip off that there's something fishy going on here regarding the Ashkanaz origin is that population genetics that touch on this area are gamed, ... just like Libor, etc.  Having said that, your making a non-sequitor here.  Of course, we agree that for Ashkanaz Jews, the majority of their DNA is European, as in not Semetic.  We agree.  Khazaria was in Eastern Europe, so you're not saying anything here.

 

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 12:25 | 2584230 Randall Cabot
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o If they converted at some point especially if it was a thousand or two years ago, aren't they jews?? - Sure, who said they were not? But their connection to the "Holy Land" is not ancestral ... get it? It's based on their religion. Just like a Christian or a Muslim has a connection to the "Holy Land" via their religion. They're not returning. There was no "Exodus'.?

Who said they are not??? The guy who started this thread said the Rothschilds are not jews!!! I said all along that most Ashkenazi jews are European.. I'd appreciate it if you'd make a better effort.

 

o you pass the shekel to Shlomo when I ask when the Khazars took up Yiddish and didn't bring any cognates of their own language with them. - No, I said German ws for centuries the trade language of Eastern Europe. It's not surprising at all that urban newcomers, engaged in commerce would adopt a version of German. Here's what Sands says about Yiddish

No, you said to take it up with Schlomo. My question was why aren't there any Khazarian words, loan words or cognates, in Yiddish? I find it more believable that Yiddish is derived from the Khazarian language rather than the Khazars just abandoned their language and leaving no trace of it in Yiddish but even  if true that doesn't mean the Khazars are the predominant racial stock of the Ashkenazi jews and when I say Khazars I'm referring to the Turkic peoples who ruled the Empire not any subject peoples under them.

 

 

If the Jews of Eastern Europe did not come from Germany, why did they speak Yiddish, which is a Germanic language?

"The Jews were a class of people dependent on the German bourgeoisie in the East, and thus they adopted German words. Here I base myself on the research of linguist Paul Wechsler of Tel Aviv University, who has demonstrated that there is no etymological connection between the German Jewish language of the Middle Ages and Yiddish. As far back as 1828, the Ribal (Rabbi Isaac Ber Levinson) said that the ancient language of the Jews was not Yiddish. Even Ben Zion Dinur, the father of Israeli historiography, was not hesitant about describing the Khazars as the origin of the Jews in Eastern Europe, and describes Khazaria as ‘the mother of the diasporas’ in Eastern Europe. But more or less since 1967, anyone who talks about the Khazars as the ancestors of the Jews of Eastern Europe is considered naive and moonstruck."

http://peoplesgeography.com/2008/03/24/sands-the-invention-of-the-diaspo...

Again, if the Khazars, a Turkic Asiatic people were the bulk of the Ashkenazi jews then why are there not any jews with Asian features or many jews with Asiatic DNA?

 

 

o Wouldn't you think that if nearly all the Ashkenazi jews were Khazars there would be some Khazar cognate words adapted into Yiddish?Good question. - Are you so familiar with Yiddish that you know there are not?

No, but I would think proponents of the theory would have these words as a centerpiece of their argument.

 

 

o Also, how do you explain the recent DNA testing on Ashkenazi jews which shows that the majority of their DNA is European??? - About DNA testing, my employment for many years involved analyzing human genetics. A big tip off that there's something fishy going on here regarding the Ashkanaz origin is that population genetics that touch on this area are gamed, ... just like Libor, etc. Having said that, your making a non-sequitor here. Of course, we agree that for Ashkanaz Jews, the majority of their DNA is European, as in not Semetic. We agree. Khazaria was in Eastern Europe, so you're not saying anything here.

But the Khazars were Turkic Asians, not European, and the latest DNA study I saw found that only a small percentage of Ashkenazi jews (12% I think) have Slavic DNA and very much less Asian DNA.

Here's my theory:

Khazaria did convert to judaism but most of the people in the empire were not Turkic Asians. Most of the Khazars who remained jews migrated to various places in Eastern Europe and brought judaism and Yiddish with them. They merged with non-Khazarian jews who probably spoke an East German dialect who were already there and converted and intermarried with local Europeans. The Yiddish language is derived from the Khazarian language. When jews from Central Europe began to migrate east they brought the West German dialect they had been speaking with them and merged it with the East German-Khazarian-Yiddish language. It was falsely postulated that Yiddish was derived from German because of the many German loan words in it. Most Ashkenazi jews are not descended from Turkic Asiatic Khazars but are mostly a mix of Middle Eastern and North African people, and Central and Southern Europeans and to a lesser extent Slavs.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 02:13 | 2579929 Clashfan
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Lame-brained drivel? Try researching it before spouting off.

First, many Jews (no one knows how many) are not of Hebrew descent. DNA has shown this. The Khazar conversion is a matter of history, not "lame-brained drivel" or racist imagination. They became "Jews" when they converted, sure, but satanic elements and occult infiltration exist within all religions (or many, fine).

If these folks were not originally Khazars, why do their ancestors speak Yiddish but not Hebrew?

If you research Rothschild + satanism (or occultism or, most appropriately, Luciferianism), you will see much research online that supports this theory. One need not be racist or deluded to believe that the world's most powerful families interbreed and practice Luciferianism.

It is what many years of research and my own, personal experiences have proven to me, beyond any doubt.

If the Rothschilds were not Luciferian, for example, why would they choose the hexagram as Israel's flag and then misrepresent it as "the star of David?" The most evil symbol known to man?

I could go on, but I'm not sure yet if it would matter. Seriously, look into it before calling it "lame-brained drivel."

And I still don't understand how any of this is racist. I wish someone would explain that to me because I would like to be able to interact with sensitive, aware people. I have no problem with honoring certain rules of decorum, and I don't consider myself to be a racist (or anti-semite or whatever).

But anti-semitic literally means Anti-Arab or anti-ME person. Khazaria is not in this location. The people converted to a religion, but that didn't change their DNA. Of course, Zionist influence is literally changing the dictionaries so that "anti-Jewish" is now appearing alongside the original definitions of the word. This is, of course, a common feature of language: It changes. Now one may say "anti-semite" and mean "anti-Jew," and it's technically fine, according to many dictionaries. But the word "semitic" does not mean "Jewish," literally.

And at least one of the people involved in this spat has publicly stated that she does not believe that 911 was an inside job. My strong advice to all of you is to not trust the judgment of people who spout such "lame-brained drivel." That is lame-brained drivel, not the obvious conclusion that the Luciferians are in charge.

And stating these facts should not make one a racist. Should it?

It's what you do with or imply with these facts that makes it racist (or not racist). Just because many elite, occultist, illuminati families fit this description or seem to fit it does not mean that all Jews are bad people, does it? That does not follow. That's a fallacy. And I don't see where that's stated in the links that were attacked? Did I miss it?

I am a non-denominational Christian, white male, American. If someone traces my ancestry to Greek Orthodoxy and then back to paganism, is that person being racist against me?

If someone says that George Bush poses as a Christian but is really a Luciferian, does that mean that that person is making a racist argument against all white Christians?

How far does this scare tactic have to go before it is exposed as total bullshit?

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 05:58 | 2580019 Element
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You forgot this bit, it really clears up quite a bit of confusion about what we're all going to have to deal with in Israel:
 
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"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."
 
— Menachem Begin - Israeli Prime Minister 1977–1983

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If people won't open their eyes, you can't force them to.

They are the 'sheeple'.

I'd like to see the Israeli Foreign Minister and its diplomats explain to the world what Begin meant by this .. that would get really interesting, and really fast ... you'd hear a few going ... bah?? ....  ba ... baaaaahhh!??!!!!?????

And we can't have that, so what now? ... someone within zh wants us to go 'bah-bah' for them? ... sorry lizzy36, that will be a firm but cordial;

 

H E L L   N O !

 

"All that it takes for evil to prosper...", and all that.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 21:21 | 2579581 meizu
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This "leak" from US official is a message to Turkey that they will be getting no help from NATO on this, how sad for Erdogan.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 20:25 | 2579525 TSA gropee
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I wish Tamboo would contribute to the topic on hand. I see him as more of a fuckin' troll.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 21:38 | 2579602 Treeplanter
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Yeah, dirtbag Nazis.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 14:14 | 2578869 john39
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why not address the facts rather than censor?  isn't this fight club?  its seems rather obvious to me that bankers have funded both sides of wars since banking began...

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 14:57 | 2578939 Hamsterfist
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When did ZH start this policy?

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 20:12 | 2579489 Bringin It
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There is no such policy.

Our "news" is spun visciously to show only the Zionist perspective, driving us over the proverbial cliff to serve their ends.  Endless warfare in the ME for example.  I for one don't want to participate, fund or otherwise enable endless warfare in the ME.

It is helpful to look / see what suppressed truth is out there. 

Deal with that Lizzy.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 16:13 | 2579077 Think for yourself
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I'm sorry if I need to ask this, but who the fuck are you?

You might have been hanging around this forum for 3 years, but if you still confuse Zionism and jews you can't have learned much ever since... well, the 20th century.

Moreover by now you should know this is fight club, so bring out your war rhethoric and fight for your positions, or get your ass kicked. You're making absolute, broad statements without subtantiating them.

But if you're so much into sophisms, how about this nice Ad Hominem for you? I mean, I really love your name. Lizzy36. Lizzie... Reptilian, cold-blooded, psychopath. 36... occultism, kabbalah numerology, masonic. Is it really a coincidence that you bring out the classic anti-zionism (political ideology) = racism nonargument?

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 20:20 | 2579509 TSA gropee
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Great stuff. +1

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 16:34 | 2579111 tmosley
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Lizzy keeps commenting as though she were a moderator (something I doubt very much is the case).

I notice you only do this when someone posts something that is anti-Israeli. 

There is and has been racism, racism everywhere on ZH forever, and not a thing was done about it, now all of a sudden you are claiming people will get banned for it?  Lunacy.

Further, Lizzy should read about the Streisand Effect.  I wasn't going to read it, as I thought it was probably racist BS, but thanks to her threats, I did.  It's a little out there with the "lucerferianism" and such, but there is every likelihood that the Rothschilds funded both sides of that war just as they have all the other wars since their rise to power.

Sorry, was that RACIST?

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 17:07 | 2579165 Think for yourself
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Please, whatever you do, never mention the streis.and effect. Can't you see all the replies our dear old repti-lizzie garnered? It's like her sophism triggered the forum's rational immune system.

This is good for everybody, except those of ill intent who want to spread FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt).

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 02:18 | 2579939 Clashfan
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Tmosley, I am not sure why you would suggest that suspecting the ruling families of being practicing Luciferians is "a little out there."

I think perhaps you have not carefully examined it? Or do you have reasons to doubt it, reasons that you would like to share?

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 01:49 | 2579910 Clashfan
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I'm not being rhetorical. I really don't understand. Why is the second link of Tamboo's "racist" or inappropriate?

Thanks for your time. :)

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 14:05 | 2578847 magpie
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Now, there was this pamphlet created by a fictional Mr. Warburg...

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 14:59 | 2578936 tony wilson
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i had a terible traditional one sided british education.

the bbc and channel 4 gave us a view of the world.

all true they said it's the bbc we employ the greatest journalistic brains and the best world history men.

we cannot lie,it is not in are nature.

nobody told us about the jewish warburg brothers one in nazi germany one running wall street.

none of are teachers had heard of anthony c sutton if they did they never told us of him.

no mention of the rockefella synthetic oil technology that kept the nazi tanks rolling.

money,power and plunder

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 20:33 | 2579534 Randall Cabot
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Filix Warburg also played a huge role in WWI and it didn't work out very well for humanity:

"Lenin was sent into Russia in the same way that you might send a vial containing a culture of cholera to be poured into the water supply of a great city." Winston Churchill commenting upon the manner by which Lenin found himself in Czarist Russia. When the Kaiser's German government allowed itself to be used in the international conspiracy to destroy the Romanovs by transporting Lenin and Trotsky in a sealed train through Germany, who also carried hundreds of millions of counterfeit 10 ruble notes. Although the German General Staff co-ordinated the venture the guiding hand behind it was the Kaiser's Minister of the Interior, the Jew Felix Warburg, an in-law of Jacob Schiff.

"By sending Lenin to Russia, our government assumed a great responsibility." General Erich Ludendorff, the German Chief of Staff.

"The Jews are responsible for Bolshevism in Russia, and Germany too. I was far too indulgent with them during my reign, and I bitterly regret the favours I showed to prominent Jewish bankers." Kaiser Wilhelm II an embittered but wiser man: interview in exile after the Great War to the Chicago Tribune July 2nd, 1922

"Put more force into the terror . . . shoot every tenth person, place all the suspects in concentration camps!" Vladimir Ilyich Lenin (1870-1924) the supposed founder of the Bolsheviks and leader of the Bolshevik Revolution and first head of the USSR.

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.overlordsofchaos.com/html/jewish_conspiracy_35.html    

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 21:32 | 2579590 Joseph Jones
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I can't remember the name, but in the not too distant past someone was running for either POTUS or VP.  He wasn't the choice of the Rabbis so they needed to black list him.  The scandal was that he had some relationship with some group that said the Jews got what they deserved in WW2.  (I'm a pure pacifist who proclaims only peace even in the face of certain death or any crminial act being perpetrated on me, so don't confuse me with anyone wishing pain on anyone else.)

The funny thing is the Rabbis themself during WW2 said exactly the above: yes, they state that the Jews who died under Hitler got exactly what they desereved?  Why did they deserve starvation, and wrongful imprisonment?  Because they turned against the Rabbis and did not obey the Rabbis.

So the rub is, the hypocrisy is: it's OK to setup hateful theology about Jews that lead to innocent Jewish death, but only if you are a Rabbi.  If the Rabbis consider someone their enemy, and desire to destroy that person, then the same act that is OK for Rabbis is suddenly the most profane evil extant. 

Get it, you stupid goyim?   

Standard Oil indeed invented the mass-processing method used by Hitler to convert oil into deisel fuel.  Many Americans, including members of the US Congress benefitted financially by owning stock in Standard Oil at the time.  

 

 

 

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:28 | 2578724 otto skorzeny
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AIPAC/Israel enabler

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 21:45 | 2579613 Joseph Jones
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The Rabbis decided at least a C prior to 1948 to invent their cochamamie nation of "Israel" for god's alleged "chosen people" (who John the Beloved Apostle calls "the Synagogue of Satan" in Revelation 2:9, 3:9), people alleged to have the world's best DNA, better than yours, a mere goyim, because only Jews are human beings and all goyim are only mongrels.  

The Rabbis picked this magic number of "six million" innocent deaths way back to at least the early 20th C.  In at least two other incidents several decades prior to the alleged "holocaust" the Rabbis proclaimed the same lie as per "holocaustianty": that some evil goyim killed "six million" poor innocent Jews.  They tried ratcheting the holocaust figure up to 10 million, but it wouldn't stick, so they had to settle on 6 million later (what hateful bigots you evil goyim are!)

The fact that apparently there were more Jews alive at the end of WW2 then before the war started seems to not hurt their little tale one bit.  But why should it, when "holocaustiantiy" is the true single Western Religion?  Also the fact that there are plenty of German eyewitnesses who deny the holocaust happened as per the history books is of no problem to the West either.  Everyone knows all Germans are only liars and evil scum, right?

I'm sure you won't believe this unless you've read Michael Hoffman's book or you are a Rabbi yourself who studies the Talmud: The Rabbis teach they argued/debated with God, God lost, and now God takes orders from the Rabbis.

Rabbinical Talmudism in essence, is the worship of the Judaic male as God.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:37 | 2578741 Nikao7
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There is a lot of evidence pointing to Jewish elements using there brethren as a sacrifice via Germany to set up the greatest "poor us" mentality in order to estrablish there stronghold in Middle East.  An us against the world mentality used to absolute perfection to this very hour to do as they please as elements of the fake Jews walk all over the rest of the world.  Screaming anti semite when all the just criticism of those fake Jews is rightfully leveled against their many crimes against humanity.  Not the least of which the Palestinians.

Their refusal to let their Nuclear capabilities be investigated.  HYPOCRITES of the highest level.

A disgusting display of utter wickedness.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:43 | 2578763 otto skorzeny
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Israel has been brainwashing the US evangelicals(via Pat Robertson,advertising on CBN,etc) for dacades that all of this mid-east religious bullshit will ignite Book of Revelations-type Gotterdamerung where Judeo-Christians will prevail. the sad part is its all a front for the US to keep  the cheap oil flowing and the House of Saud to maintain power. If Iran would "play the game" they would be left alone-but then again Qadaffi was axed for no reason

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 18:56 | 2579382 Think for yourself
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If you really think that Judeo-Christians will prevail or that the entire theater is solely orchestrated for mere national hegemony over ressources, you'll be in for a shock. In order to implement absolute globalism (or fascism or statism - at their extrema all of these continuums join together), all cultures, religions and nations need to be - and are being - destroyed.

What is going on is not regional geopolitical play, nor even a play for global hegemony between major powers. As political events are calculated, cultures shaped, national identities redefined and individual subjectivities conditionned ,through all the levels of manipulation currently going on, it is the actual historical narrative of the human race which is being traced. Our future is being carved in a nice block shape with nice, controlled straight lines so it fits in the globalists' cage like a hand in a glove.

Iran is playing the game, and has been for a while, even if - maybe - they themselves are not aware of it. The Shah was a dialectical prelude to an anti-american polarization that was used to place CIA-trained Khomeini into power, thus radicalizing Iran's politics towards islamism (although apparently not enough, which is why the west needs to keep poking it with the cattle prod)... War is in the air, and avoid making the naive mistake of thinking it wasn't the goal all along. 

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 02:26 | 2579947 Clashfan
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Yes, TFY, and it's Luciferian conditioning.

And Jews as a whole are different and function in sects. Some pay less attention to the Talmud. I have had Jewish people tell me that they don't believe the racist crap in the Talmud. And there are even different versions of the Talmud. Plenty of people, even non-Jews, use the Kabbala. It is suspected to be the book or one of the books used in SRA programming. Other Jews pay more attention to the Torah. And like Christians, many Jews don't practice "Judaism" or practice very little.

See how this develops from Phariseeism. Jesus himself said something to these Pharisees, allegedly. Then there's that little bit of history called Babylonian captivity.

But Luciferianism, the religion of the secret societies and the subculture of the elites, infiltrates all religions. Several bishops have written books about satanism being practiced in the Vatican, for example. Yes, bishops. Yes, books.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 13:51 | 2578801 CrockettAlmanac.com
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There is a huge amount of literature describing how the Zionists made it very difficult to save Jews during and after World War II. As various individuals and organizations were trying to arrange departures of Jews to western countries, the Zionists worked overtime to prevent this from happening. They expressed the opinion that building up the Jewish population of Palestine was more important than enabling Jews to go to third countries, and they insisted to western powers that Jews should not be accepted anywhere other than Palestine. Indeed, Yitzchak Greenbaum, a famous Zionist, proclaimed that “one cow in Palestine was worth more than all the Jews in Poland.” The infamous David Ben-Gurion said in 1938:

"If I knew it was possible to save all the children in Germany by taking them to England, and only half of the children by taking them to Eretz Israel, I would choose the second solution. For we must take into account not only the lives of these children but also the history of the people of Israel."

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/zanda.cfm/

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 15:26 | 2578985 mick_richfield
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You can't get votes, up or down, if the first character in your comment is italicized.

I am starting this post with a blank line, to see if I can give myself an uptick.

Sun, 07/01/2012 - 15:27 | 2578987 mick_richfield
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Yes, that works. 

But if the very first character is italicized, you might wonder why you get no feedback.

Sacrilege -- bugalert.

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