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Turkey Scrambles F-16s On Syria Border As US Intelligence Says Syrian Story Was Correct All Along
Last week's false flag story of baseless Middle Eastern provocation refuses to go away. Even after, in a shocking turn of events, US intelligence confirmed this weekend that Syria's version of events surrounding the downed Turkish F-4 jet story was the right one all along, pulling the media narrative rug right from under Hillary Clinton's provocative feet (and making others wonder just which country is the only one that stands to benefit of NATO does pull Article 4 or 5 and does invade Syria on now invalidated and false premises), today we read that Turkey continues to try to escalate. From the BBC: "Turkey has scrambled six F-16 fighters jets near its border with Syria after Syrian helicopters came close to the border, the country's army says. A total of six jets were sent to the area in response to three such incidents on Sunday, although there was no border violation, the Reuters news agency quoted the statement saying. On Friday, Turkey said it had begun deploying rocket launchers and anti-aircraft guns along the border in response to the downing of its F-4 Phantom jet." Of course, without an actual confirmed provocation, such as the one Turkey itself pulled against Syria, it is left with the same media rhetoric that continues to expose just one side of the Syrian story - the Western media spun one. "Turkey has strongly criticised Syria's response to the 16-month anti-government uprising, which has seen more than 30,000 Syrian refugees enter Turkey." Fair enough, we do however wonder what Syria would say about Turkey's treatment of Kurdish minorities. Finally, confirmation that just as we first suggested two weeks, this whole incident has been nothing but a provocation stage test to get NATO involved without any of the facts being on the table, comes from no other source than US military intelligence.
From the WSJ:
U.S. intelligence indicates that a Turkish warplane shot down by Syrian forces was most likely hit by shore-based antiaircraft guns while it was inside Syrian airspace, American officials said, a finding in tune with Syria's account and at odds with Turkey.
The Turkish government, which moved tanks to the Syrian border after the June 22 incident, says the debris fell in Syrian waters, but maintains its fighter was shot down without warning in international airspace. Ankara also has said the jet was hit too far from Syrian territory to have been engaged by an antiaircraft gun.
Damascus has said it shot down the plane with an antiaircraft battery with an effective range of about 1.5 miles.
"We see no indication that it was shot down by a surface-to-air missile" as Turkey says, said a senior defense official. Officials declined to specify the sources of their information. The senior U.S. defense official cautioned that much remains unknown about the incident.
And finally the truth:
A former senior U.S. official who worked closely with Turkey said he believed the flight's course was meant to test Syria's response. "You think that the airplane was there by mistake?" the former official said.
"These countries are all testing how fast they get picked up and how fast someone responds," said a senior U.S. official. "It's part of training."
The Turkish official said the plane wasn't on a surveillance mission. "All NATO members have condemned the Syrian hostile act and have supported Turkey," the official said.
Gee, let's see here: confirmed self-defense and yet "all NATO members" are promptly on the side of the aggressor. How original. Finally, there's this:
The U.S.-Turkish relationship is unlikely to be affected by the apparent discrepancies in accounts of the downing of the jet. Cooperation between Ankara and Washington has grown closer in recent months, after a period of significant strain in 2009 and 2010.
That marks a turnaround for Turkey, which 18 months ago moved to cultivate relations and trade with neighboring Muslim regimes, including Mr. Assad's, while downgrading ties with former ally Israel, raising concerns in Washington.
Which begs the question: now that the US has openly sold Turkey down the river, was this whole plan merely one spun out of that other "former ally" which after seeing its provocative clout vis-a-vis Iran's "despotic dictators" evaporate, is urgently trying to come up with other locus of potential warmongering?
Of course, as long as NATO has the back of any aggressor no matter what the facts say, all is good.
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Cherrypicker,gave you an uparrow.What should we do with chiken hawks?
obviously the top level military guys in the U.S. and NATO sold their souls long ago. but I have to wonder when do the mid level officers and nco's finally wake up and figure out that the U.S. military is being used to fight the bakers' dirty blood money wars? the suicide rate in the military is off the charts. Sure they are bainwashed, but at some point this shit gets so obvious that even a slug can see it.
If you are dumb enough to go then why do we care if they kill themselves . If they all came home and stoped killing people for the bankers this whole game would stop , but they wont so the more that die the quicker the game ends . so go ahead kill yourselves .
all of us feed their system in one way or another? pay your taxes? guess what, you are funding murder and mayhem via the U.S. military (same in other NATO countries). all of us need to lose our fear of the consequences and stop cooperating with the system.
Just because someone is stupid does NOT mean they deserve to die!!!
Moreover, with the intensity of today's programming and general oppression of mankind at all levels, from mainstream media/education to vacuous entertainment, from law to food, failing to learn about the red pill is far from a sign of being stupid.
You're quite the deep thinker aren't you? A real credit to the human race.
Maybe you'd care to enlighten us about your OWN worldview, TSA?
Do you think America is fighting Israel's war? If so, should we?
Should we (Nato) attack Syria? Or stay the hell out? What say ye?
I asked a retired vet who served in the military his whole career the other day if the US military would fire on its own brothers and sisters within our country. His response really made me think. The answer given was " without a doubt." I asked why and he said its a lot of young kids on the frontline and they do as their told without questioning anything. They are brainwashed. It will take some very strong leaders within the military who are against it to persuade these kids to not follow orders.
not sure how many vets read veterans today, but, those that do have been getting quite a bit truth... hopefully it will spread:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/05/07/911-shattering-the-spell-of-myth...
I was at a large summer party last night where a lot of military and recent military were in attendance. It was a fairly intelligent and thoughtful crowd which almost exclusively identified themselves as "libertarians."
I had high hopes for the military from my view afar, but talking frankly with so many up close and personal last night was kinda depressing. Virtually all the "libertarian" sentiment is focused upon the poor and they were virtually uninformed about the criminal underbelly of the "Global Economic Crisis." They preferred to focus upon their moral revulsion about the parasitic poor, which I realized was clearly a timeless issue that requires no continuing education or real thought--it's a powerful scapegoat that's always there, no questions asked. Easy to sound thoughtful on that one and, hey, what more is there to know? Speak against banksters and you sound like somebody trying to grind the axe of "class warfare," which could only be legitimately ground in one direction, to their minds.
It was a great opportunity to discuss their commitment to their oath, which they believe they take very seriously. Yet they were united in their lack of "sympathy" for OWS and believed strongly in the need of police to "maintain order" among people who don't "follow rules" (such as $10k sanitation permits) in exercising their constitutional rights.
They were deeply invested in the burning issue of whether protestors are "legitimate" voices of the politics they profess (e.g, if they had really tried hard to get a job before protesting about unemployment) and saw this as a critical and necessary qualification for exercising constitutional rights of protest/seeking redress.
An NCO Marine sargent took pride in supporting UC-Davis cops pepperspraying the students there, claiming that my small-minded view was due to my lack of understanding that those students had been told for a couple hours to clear the sidewalk . . . and had continued to block it. The cops were just doing what needed to be done, in his opinion.
Hey, oathkeepers talks a great story, but where were they on OWS?
Bottom line, if orders go out to shoot unarmed fellow citizens, said civilians are gonna be fucked, imo.
Too bad--these guys were some of my favorite people last night, but if TSHTF, I think that's gonna change real quick. They will simply be following orders and executing their mission.
It's one thing to agree with a cop using pepper-spray, and another to agree to violating posse comitatus and then firing into a crowd. You should ask what they would think if they were ordered to 'secure' an American city during a bank holiday.
And then ordered to clear a street, using live fire.
True, but it would have been a fat pitch over the plate kind of question. An easy one to come out as an "idealist" on without really being tested. I wouldn't have had any confidence in that easy correct answer.
If TSHTF in America, it will be predominantly the poor and otherwise "illegitimate" out in the streets practicing large scale civil disorder.
It seemed to me that will answer the question for them.
Hey, they embraced me as "brother" by the end of the night . . . but I'm sure the issues I challenged them to consider last night are already forgotten.
I think that's wishful thinking and somewhat ignorant of human nature. Protesters are not seen as US citizens, certainly not ones with any rights. The numerous videos of militarized police and their use of excessive force is a the canary in the coal mine imho. When authorized, shit, even when not, they will shoot because of the perceived (and in many cases correctly so) immunity from prosecution.
Ahh . . . based on your description, those folks weren't libertarians, regardless of what they they thought they were.
Kent State was where ?
Time to get Maverick, Goose and Iceman in the air
Not without a regulation approved wing-woman.
I blame all of this mess on Iran.
Just have a look, how close they have put their country, to the US bases in the region.
LOL exactly. But don't go around calling the US imperialistic, that would just be wrong. Truth be told the military is just a tool of international psychopath powermongers, the same ones who control the financial, political and legal system in the 'civilized' world.
If one has too much money and no guns, one will soon lose it. Its a simple principle.
The name is Rothchilds Criminal Empire , Dont leave them guessing as to who this power is.
Let them all do what they will. Any intervention on our part would obviously be futile and another waste of money. That said, I fully expect the US to intervene...
Neither 'side' actually gains anything from a war so until that changes there won't be any. Unless of course third parties start (or continue) messing around The only real question IMO is whether or not a war between Turkey and Syria would fit in with Israel's plans to attack Iran. If it fits, it will go. If it's too early, it won't happen.
Israel's got Uncle Sam, it don't need nothin else
All they waitin for is Obomba to win the election and then they go after Iran
actually Mitt Goldstein is more likely to give go-ahead next spring- but Israel-firsters in Congress will get whichever tool is in Oval Office to do their AIPAC master's bidding
Yes.By the way,whta do you think of the story that your avatar's namesake came to the US and lived in Florida?
Go Kurds.
seems in the long history of war, no one has come up with a way to economicly kill the leadership of your enemy, almost seems like the leaders of every side, dont like that idea one little bit..ways to kill thousands, machine guns - what ever, but no way to just wipe out the leadership in one strike..something to think about if you are able and wanna go fight a war for god and country.
There is no profit with that tactic.
Plus, you don't go to war until you control both sides. That is just standard procedure the last 100 years or so.
Turkey, from being the head of Asia to a tail of Europe now.
Send over the USS Enterprise
Is your son or daughter serving on the USS Enterprise or are you sending someone else's kid to get killed?
TPTB don't give a whit
James T Kirk has retired so forget sending TV series anywhere. Iron Sky is the future
sacrifice POS F4 and save the F16s for the big job
Exactly. Makes it even more obvious that Turkey was testing Syria.
Turkey is going full tilt Islamic state. Which means they don't give a damn what the US thinks and they are not our ally. The Obama Crime Family has yet to figure this out. Turks are now buds with Iran so this whole thing is just theater. Muslims will be muslims.
You mean Muslim governments will be Muslim Governments. I still believe that most Muslims would prefer non aggression and that it is only their governments that get them riled up.
Most Muslims, like most people, want to just live.
substitute "Americans" in last sentence for "Muslims"-fixed it for ya
Wake up and smell the jihad, little dhimmi.
You are no tree planter.
Oh yes I am. I've planted thousands and thousands of trees.
How can you hate life and plant a thousand trees?
You dropped the brown acid.
No, ... that would be you TP.
You are either ignorant or pretend to be one.Turkey is a state ruled by sabbateans.
'...meant to test Syria's response. "You think that the airplane was there by mistake?"'
That's a bit like when Russia was sending nuclear bombers to UK air space a few years ago. Any escalation is going to make things look real bad.
You have references of the Soviets actually penetrating UK airspace?
http://www.scotsman.com/news/raf-catches-russian-bombers-in-uk-airspace-...
Google is your friend
From this to border hostilities:
Syria, Turkey Discuss Free Trade Zone (2004)http://www.arabnews.com/node/245484
I guess Turkey realised they can make more money by getting their neighbours bombed back to stone age and then getting the mega reconstruction contracts for their part in it.
I am Jacks total lack of surprise.
Deadliest Attack To Date In Zamalka!! BREAKING NEWS IN SYRIA: Huge Explosion goes off in Middle of Funeral – 85 Killed! Bloodiest day – 174 innocent men, women, & children killed by Assad in JUST 24 hrs.
Frankly, I think it's just as likely they were killed by Mossad as they were by Assad.
I think I'll worry about this when I see Turkish tanks in Damascus.
et tu Turkey?
Eat two turkeys? No, thanks, I'm full!
The sad thing is if Turkey with Nato's ok (and help) is going to act on Syria it's going to use the F4. The F4, like in Gulf War I, will be used to take out air defenses. Back then, and literally now, it is the only thing it is capable of doing.
So if Syria sees an F4 above their airspace, their first thought should be, this is a plane known for taking out air defenses, and probably act accordingly.
This all could really backfire on Turkey, given how Turkey has been at war with Syria for the last 16 months unofficially when you allow a staging ground from your soil. It wouldn't surprise me if Turkey kept acting a fool that Syria would attack the staging ground and the western (UK, France, US, etc) funded TERRORISTS. Yes we are still one of the biggest state sponsors of terrorism. Far more than anyone we attack.
Afterall, we do it in Pakistan.
Make no mistake, there is a (metaphoric) war going on inside our military and intelligence circles. Some dumbshits are pushing for war. But they are being countered forcibly now by the sane circles of these institutions. Some who somehow didn't know this wasn't the way 15 years ago, still haven't learned their lesson after this century of disaster, others clearly have. It's clear this evidence was a premeditated counter blow from the sane forces against the insane.
Glass-Steagall
- It's clear this evidence was a premeditated counter blow from the sane forces against the insane.
I sincerely hope so.
NEWS FLASH: Turkey just reported that they lost contact with a Sopwith Camel recon aircraft when it went slightly off course due to someone with a mirror in Syria blinding the pilot with reflected sunlight. According to unnamed Turkish officials this was when the string connecting the two communication tin cans broke. The same officials were quoted as saying "this is sad, and Assad is bad and now we are mad." Updates as they happen.
The Zionists are just the puppeteers. The real ones pulling the strings are our Reptiod overlords. For thousands of years they have ruled the world from behind the scenes. It is time we break free of the slimy parasites sucking away at earths resources.
Turkey has neo-Ottoman aspirations, people.
Turkey is gonna step on some big boy's toes pretty soon e.g Russia/Israel whatever...and they will get cut down to size....Viva Kurdistan!
They won't go to war against Syria without Iran's okay. All smoke and mirrors. Sure, they want to expand and restore the Caliphate, but Iran is too strong right now. Stirring the pot, watching reactions.
You are out of your aboretum TP. You're just throwing out non-sequitors here.
Iran and Syrian regiemes have a strong relationship. Under what conditions would Iran approve an attack on their partner?
Treeplanter seems like a disinformation agent for a particular country.
Agreed. He's got that GIYUS odor about him. Terribly obvious, but fun to watch him try. The ad-hominem approach always. Like a dog can't learn some new tricks for a change.
Assads army would wipe the floor with Turkey in a one on one. Obvouisly, no match for NATO tho.
NATO is great at bombing TV stations and bridges - time they came face to face with Russia defending its border areas and suffered real casualties. Must be worth trading San Francisco for a few shots at Damascus. After all didn't Medvedev warn nuclear warheads might get tested on live targets if rampant NATO imperalism did not stop soon ?
Pure idiocy.
Downvoted u for your stupid name and lack of effort
Downvoted u for your stupid name and lack of effort
Yup those Syrian MiGs 23 will do well aginst F-16 and F-15s. Yup those t-72s are excellent against Leopard 2a4 tanks. Yeah Syrian military is stronger then the second largest power in NATO after the USA. Yeah Tukey's military is weak and will breakdown against the invincible Syrian military who can't defeat Israel. You sir are a military genius.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/06/helmets-found-but-no-pilot...
QF-4 DRONE
http://www.af.mil/information/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=13226
Great find Bunga. Definitly plausable.
Erdogan simply wants to posture against Russia and have the Americans play big brother to protect him when Putin gets irritated. There is some real nationalism around in Turkey with Erdogan banning Greek TV so noone can see riots - and an attitude that Turkey is on a roll and everyone admires Erdogan's new Islamic Republic
since turkey is training terroists on air bases and allowing them to cross the border to rape and kill syrians.
assad needs to arm the kurds for some payback
Tony,unless I'm mistaken,you did an excellent post on Niall ferguson, some time ago.Meant to tnak you.
Perhaps the CIA can make us a video simulation of the shoot down and crash.
Qui bono? Sure as heck none of us will ever know.
The Syrians did act with unnecessary violance, so that is rightly condemmed. It is not the normal modus operandi to shoot down foreign aircraft without warning, you simply escort them out of your skies.
>> Gee, let's see here: confirmed self-defense and yet "all NATO members" are promptly on the side of the aggressor. How original.
You didn't read this part well:
"These countries are all testing how fast they get picked up and how fast someone responds," said a senior U.S. official. "It's part of training."
Russian aircraft used to play games many times over NATO territory. In fact they still do now & then.
NATO F-16's scramble & escort the foreign aircraft out of NATO airspace. Time and time again.
We did the same in return (perhaps not that deep as them).
One does not immediately shoot them down (easily enough to do with our aircraft & air defenses).
And the Russians did not just do this with some harmless F-4 class of fighter, but with long range strategic bombers (as in nuclear warfare capable ones ...). A clear danger.
You are suggesting that instead we should shoot them out of the air??
That is not the common way of doing things & the Russians would see that as a clear provocation.
Why would this case be different?
So of course the NATO members do not like what the Syrian outlaw (unelected = not legitimate) government is doing.
It was a clear & needless act of agression.
NATO and the Warschaupact were able do these kinds of flights since there was no civil war going on on either side. If there was a civil war going on in either territory, presumably the other side would do not these kinds of flights because it could trigger a wider conflict. If any of them would have done flights like these while there was a civil war going on on the other side, the violated party for sure would have blown the flight out of the sky without warning. It is the civil war that is going on in Syria which changed the whole equation. Any violation of air space will be considered by them as a threat. The Turkish flight was a clear & needless act of provocation.
NATO and Warsaw Pact played games - it was sport not war
ask garyPowers; but this is now
some voice on the radio gives a turkish pilot one of these headings and he checks his intruments he is now gonna come back with: \that was last week's data! please say again\ before he loses radio contact...entirely...
well handled. joe
checking out the guy you're answering: 36 weeks; not even close to 1 post/week; last post abt 6 weks ago
so he stopped by and did his post, but he obviously believes it, too joe; i don't think he is deep sarking and neither did you
his avatar is a symbol with which i am familiar united (dutch) east india co coinage and here is a pic of the 1790 1790 VOC ...
and here is a little squib: Coin Collecting: 1790 VOC COIN, united east india company, standard catalog of world coins
"antiLeMaire" may mean sifferent strokes for different folks... but where a V0C is concerned i thnk we hafta look into the rearly roots of the counter-reformation in the city of liege and the case of the execution of thomas wathelet as it was later "explained" by leMaire
this is no ordinary shithead; i kinda like his flag, actually, but calvinism? priceless!
Slewie, I fail to see the relevance of the number of posts a person makes and what bearing it has to the discussion. Perhaps he is a person of few words, perhaps others have said what he would have on previous articles and felt he didn't need to chime in.
I can see challenging his post with some pertinent counter point, but let's dispense with bringing in shit like number of posts.
well, as i said: it may not be too relevant here in this case
but joe is not as dumb as many of the assholes who hang here and think they understand zH but do not; so i think joe will understand me
if not, i'll explain it to him
who was takin to you?
check my posts back over a few months and i think you'll see where i've addressed this and why it is important and that is also why, btw, others who understand what zH is abt join me in watching the trolling here
then again, you may not have the capacity to understand; i have the time energy and inclination to be here a lot b/c this is very important to me and to others who participate w/ tyler
i'm glad you didn't need me to explain his VOC avatar and the antiLeMaire meaning and how such an old-school europeon in the Reformed tradition would not necessarily be an abject troll in this situ: analysis
i also direct stuff to tyler even when i may not seem to so so outwardly; for example tyler may see what i wrote about VOC and it may be intel to him
he also directs stuff my way from time to time but may not mention it
you may not notice b/c you do not; have you spent the last 11 months questioning tyler QE III calls and why they are not right to the point that he may understands your perspective and may have a growing respect for what you have to say about the FED?
you are aware that there are many here who hate zH and what it stands for but are very concerned about rules and fairness too?
tyler said in the intro: it is not longer up for grabs what the hell happened here, responsibility-wise
the VOC anti-lemaire guy wants to piss in tyler's face from his EU bankruptcy, joe gave it back to him straight and i backed joe, but didn't take the voc's head off
i like his flag, ok?
but i can't discuss the guy with joe unless a i take a look at VOC and tell joe what i see and we check out a gut who posts less than once/month till today and the goes ape-shit over syria being WRONG?
you are obviosly ignorant of the dymanmics which we are addressing
the idea that this has anything to do with the zH you are on is somewhat comic, actually
but you express this dissonance honestly so i will take the better part of an hour to answer you
i invite you to attempt to understand why i discuss these aspects of the bloggers here with certain people
once you understand that "registrations on zH" are almost like domain names and people set them up for use for different purposes here (pro-nuke, pro-MIC, pro-partisan candidate, pro QE (LSAP) [b/c they are banksters], when you see a blogger who is acting out and you don't recognize him, take a minute and check him out: that is why the information is there; tyler is nok with the bloggers OWNING how long they've been here and what they have done and written
it is a total record of them as zeroHeads
most people here are who they appear to be; many are not; after you pick off your first 20 trolls, come back and correct me again, ok
I never looked at it that way but perhaps you are right and he is a troll. I have no agenda, I try to look at things objetively and rationally and sometimes or often fail at that. The VOC thing? For some Dutch nowadays that is a sign of 'hawkism'. I never heard of antiLeMaire actually. Calvinism and reformation is the secret behind the success of Northern European countries. Nothing better to get people in line than saying that what they do in this life will have consequences for them in the next life, unlike Catholisism where you just need to say your hail maries and say just before you die how sorry you are for all the bad things you've done in life. But Calvinism can lead to self rightiousness and masochism. All of this I write is of course a great exageration but there is some truth in it.
Best to escort them AFTER they have bombed your nuclear reactor. No doubt Israeli fighrers will escort iranian aircraft out of their airspace after they bomb Dimona !
Not "over " NATO airspace, they were escorted away prior to penetrating NATO airspace. Or do you have references of Soviet airplanes flying unannounced within US airspace?
Yes over our airspace.
See for example http://defensetech.org/2011/08/24/f-16s-intercept-russian-bombers/
Above link shows a nice picture of Dutch F-16s intercepting Russian Tu-95s. Now how can Russian long distance bombers be intercepted by Dutch fighters without violating NATO airspace?
"The cool video video (after the jump) was shot by a pair of Royal Netherlands Air Force (Dutch) F-16s that intercepted two Bears that entered Dutch airspace without identifying themselves on Aug. 17. This apparently marked the fourth time this year that Dutch fighters have been scrambled to intercept Russian bombers."
I've actually seen them fly last summer. That's why I remember. Had they been shot down at that time, it would have created a big mess in my garden ;) Before they were over Dutch airspace they had been over Danmark (and presumably Norway before that...) "Still, its not a very big deal. The Tu-95s were shadowed by Danish F-16s before they entered Dutch airspace and where tailed by RAF Eurofighter Typhoons upon leaving." So yes, over NATO airspace. They did it all the time & have recently resumed that game.Wrong again. They flew over a Dutch controlled section of NATO airspace which in fact is still international airspace. NATO does not own that airspace, it is something they just monitor. The Bears had every right to be there just like any other airplane would have. In that article they made it look like it was Dutch airspace, which it wasn't. It was a section of NATO airspace.
>> Or do you have references of Soviet airplanes flying unannounced within US airspace?
Sure, here is a recent one: June, 2012
"Russia Violates U.S. Airspace
Northcom says Russian nuclear bombers violated U.S. airspace during arctic war games
The U.S. Northern Command and joint U.S.-Canadian North American Aerospace Defense (NORAD) Command said two Russian bombers violated U.S. airspace near Alaska during recent arctic war games."
http://freebeacon.com/russia-violates-u-s-airspace/
It was a clear & needless act of agression.
By Turkey.
-o.o5 points for trying to distort the obvious.
Don't be silly. This happens all the time & it is not the normal response to shoot down such aircraft.
"Turkey could have downed 114 planes for airspace violations: Army" http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-could-have-downed-114-planes-for...
Turkey's air space has been violated 114 separate times so far this year but each instance was quickly resolved peacefully, the General Staff has said following Syria’s downing of a Turkish warplane for violating its airspace.
"We would have shot down 114 planes if every aircraft that violated a country's airspace were shot down without questioning," the General Staff said, according to daily Milliyet.
Syria violated Turkish territory several times over the last year, while pursuing refugees.
In at least one incident shells landed on Turkish soil when Syria's army was shelling a refugee camp on Turkish soil. http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/04/30/211357.html
Have the Turks shot back in response? I don't think so.
Those Syrian air-defense guys were perhaps a bit trigger happy, or perhaps even ordered to make an example...
ALM - This happens all the time & it is not the normal response to shoot down such aircraft.
You need to get it thru your thick head that this is not a normal neighborhood we are talking about. Syria is in a state of Civil War with various neighbors participating and the evil entity occasionally buzzes in and bombs away.
Did the Americans try to shoot down the Japanese who showed up undeclared to bomb Pearl Harbor? Yes they did.
Turkey violates Iraq and Greek airspace all the time. Even worse, they bomb Kurds in Iraq. That is a gross violation of someone else's airspace. You could reply by saying that Kurdish rebels in Iraq attack Turkey but Turkey is home to Syrian rebels. I am not defending Assad but this whole thing in Syria is cooked and intransparant. Just like in Lybia, the West has intelligence and special forces on the ground and uses Al Qaeda to do the dirty work. It is just geo-politics while the media is making us believe it is an Arab spring. Perhaps some good comes out of this Arab spring but this thing could escalate into a full fledged civil war in Syria.
It is hard to escort planes when the enitre Syrian air force was grounded. Why was it grounded? Apparently a few days before a few pilots flew their planes and left the country. So assad locked down the entire air force to purge out the traiters.
Not giving excuses. The reality is the US should havs spanked Assad a long time ago. The most recent being when he was funneling men and arms to those fighting the US in Iraq.
- The reality is the US should havs spanked Assad a long time ago.
Who is this US you speak of? The country of the United States? Or the Beltway/GMIC/Ziono-Complex?
No Assad ever called me nigger.
Why do you pump for the Beltway/GMIC/Ziono-Complex? Why do you consider it a good thing?
Article 4The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened.
Article 5The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security .
It seems the US military and US admin are at odds. Good thing too, as the US military are the ones who have to pull the freight. Clinton has a bunker she can safely hide in.
Hilary Clinton in a blimp to test Syrian Air Defense response time.
It is the only thing that makes any sense at this point.
It would also give Hilary a chance to get involved at a "contact" level, instead of trying to stir the pot and get a bunch of young men killed.
He peed on my rug dude.
Nobody fucks with the Jesus!
Fuck it, Dude, let's go bowling.
So NOW US Intellience is to be trusted when it serves the interests of those who denigrate America?
Douce-bag Jim misses the point as usual.
So NOW US Intellience is to be trusted when it serves the interests of those who denigrate America?
It is the conflict in the descriptions of what went on that is the point of interest. The US military agreeing with Syria's description is pleasant to see.
Why don't you tell us what DEBKA is saying, Jimbo? That should be entertaining.
You don't know shit and it's obvious.
Ad homenem - Your trade mark. You are exposed you phoney zino-shill.
Now go cover up. That's disgusting.
Hillary. I knew it. That woman. Someone must have stopped her from trying to eat Chelsea when she was born. A chairsatan worshipper from hell.
Off topic but Happy Canada day to all fellow Canadian zerohedgers. Not a perfect country and I am not a Harper fan, populace is too complacent, technological innovation and research could be better but ... love this country.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xfoip_sum-41-fat-lip_music (underated Canadian band)
I like your money more than ours.
"These countries are all testing how fast they get picked up and how fast someone responds," said a senior U.S. official.
True.
"It's part of training."
No, it's what militaries do before a war to decide the tactics to be used.