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Turkish Skyscraper On Fire - Video

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A large blaze has broken out in a 42-story tower block in the center of the Turkish city of Istanbul. Firefighting crews brought the fire under control, rescuing those who had been trapped inside by the flames. Watch footage of the fire here.

More from RT:

Footage from Turkish TV showed the building wrapped in a cloud of black smoke and debris falling from the block. State TV reported that helicopters were deployed to help bring the inferno under control.


"All of them left [those trapped by the fire] the building in a healthy condition. We also rescued a few pets. Our biggest reward is there was no loss of life,” said Adnan Polat, owner of the tower block. He added that the “building has an early warning system and this incident showed the importance of it to everyone."


A faulty air conditioner may have triggered the blaze, Istanbul’s governor Huseyin Avni Mutlu was quoted as saying.


"The building's fire-extinguishing system automatically activated. Otherwise we could have faced a huge disaster," Mayor Mustafa Sarigul told the Associated Press, adding that the inside of the tower had not been damaged by the flames.


The Polat Tower in Istanbul’s Fulya business district is made up of both residential flats and offices.


Nearby buildings and a petrol station were evacuated as a precaution. Roads have also been cordoned off in the area.



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Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:11 | 2623474 Anne Ominous
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Be careful, as a steel framed building it may collapse at freefall speed any second.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:16 | 2623493 johnQpublic
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i know

i kept waiting to see it fall into its own footprint

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:23 | 2623509 Spirit Of Truth
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Why would Russia target a building in Istanbul?

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 08:25 | 2623651 SWRichmond
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Damned Syrians!  It's the turrurists!

Durka Durka!

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 08:59 | 2623778 Thomas
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The official report will be so obtuse: "We do not know at this time why it did not collapse."

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 09:09 | 2623817 Au Member
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Apparently there was an applied companies van hanging around outside an hour before it went up. Standing by to see steel columns turn to dust again

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 09:57 | 2623965 machineh
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"We do not know at this time why it did not collapse."

Some dumbass didn't sprinkle enough kerosene, whose white-hot open-air combustion can melt steel!

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 10:55 | 2624216 Stuck on Zero
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The Government will soon announce that 14 terrorists were behind the whole thing.  The site will be cordoned off with armed guards and all the wreckage will be hauled away without an investigation.  Engineers will be banned from the site ...  oh, wait, that's Turkey, not the U.S.


Tue, 07/17/2012 - 10:46 | 2624179 monkeyboy
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I heard they found some Syrian passports a couple of blocks away from the burning building totally undamaged...or were they Iranian...might have been Canadian.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:34 | 2623528 Skateboarder
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So what are the freedoms we are giving up for security this time?

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 15:16 | 2629508 Overfed
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I dunno. Are there any left?

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:57 | 2623578 Al Gorerhythm
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It's the surrounding buildings that concern me. They should all start falling soon. I noticed a fire in the dumpster a block away from one of them that should cause imminent collapse.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 08:14 | 2623617 Karl von Bahnhof
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Larry! Just pull it!

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 09:06 | 2623804 Shaktipalooza
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Not possible. Turkey has much more stringent building standards.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 11:17 | 2624340 Matt
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joking, right? I mean, these are the guys that have whole apartment buildings full of people collapse with sub-6.0 magnitude earthquakes.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:53 | 2623574 Dismal Scientist
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How is this in any way newsworthy for this site ?

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 08:53 | 2623756 NidStyles
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Read the comments above yours for reference. 

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 10:39 | 2624149 Dismal Scientist
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A predictable reaction...surprised not more than -27 when I looked. Merely tells me that not many others thought the article was worth paying attention to.

Lets get back to the doomer economics and collapse of western civilisation meme. So much more to rage against there than the (non)collapse of a Turkish tower block...

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 08:12 | 2623612 kieran1968
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The BBC has announced it has collapsed, so expect it to fall down within the hour.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 08:14 | 2623620 Parabolic
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is that nanothermite i smell?

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 08:23 | 2623640 Mitzibitzi
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Oh! I love the smell of nanothermite in the morning!

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 02:56 | 2627186 All Risk No Reward
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BTW, that's free fall *acceleration*, not speed.

Put another way, in order for Building 7 to have fallen evenly at free fall acceleration, a full 10 story cross section of the building would have had to instantaneously vaporized into nothingness.

The key word there is *instantaneously*.  One instant the cross section was there, the enxt there was some minor failures, the next 2 seconds nothing was there - the 10 stories just disappeared as a support.

Think abotut that for a moment.

That is what people are addressing when they say Building 7's fall defies physics.

WTC7: NIST Finally Admits Freefall

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:11 | 2623476 Dr Benway
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A skyscraper on fire, eh? For some reason it reminds me of that movie where there was a skyscraper on fire.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:32 | 2623522 Itch
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Is that the one that ended with a bearded man being thrown overboard?

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:45 | 2623559 bank guy in Brussels
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Film 'The Towering Inferno', 1974, with Paul Newman, Steve McQueen, Fred Astaire, Faye Dunaway and many more

Great line from the Paul Newman character at the end, responding to a thought about what to do with the smoking remains of the giant burning building:

« ... I don't know. Maybe they just oughta leave it the way it is. Kind of a shrine to all the bullshit in the world.»

Here is the movie trailer

And here is the imdb (Internet Movie DataBase) page, with all the details and more quotes

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 08:04 | 2623590 slackrabbit
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Nah I think he's thinking of a more recent one - in HD

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 08:46 | 2623732 shovelhead
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My father in law was one of the fireman hired as extras on that movie. Even made one of the publicity stills with Steve McQueen. He was the guy in the oxygen mask. Almost

He thought getting paid to drink beer with Newman and McQueen was a pretty good gig.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 15:12 | 2625285 tony wilson
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your a filthy liar..

no way mcqueen and newman understood structural engineering.

if anything those guys would of gone along with the  mit engineers  and the commission report.

this was nothing to do with the jews it is simple metalurgical LAW.

aviation fuel is hotter than the sun.

so stop your conspiracy stuff about butch cassidy and john bullet

keep your lies at home and leave the truth telling to your heroic government

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 15:20 | 2625331 akak
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His a filthy liar?


Perhaps your argument would have more weight if you had any grasp of third-grade-level English grammar, including knowing that sentences begin with a capital letter and end with some form of punctuation.

Why should anyone take seriously the comments of a near-illiterate?

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:12 | 2623477 q99x2
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Where's Rumsfeld?

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:16 | 2623491 Disenchanted
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That's an unknown fool me once, we can't be fooled again. Shit that's not it either.


ah fuck it!

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 10:54 | 2624214 AssFire
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fool me twice??

Well, then you have some really big tits.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:12 | 2623478 bigkahuna
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When is it going to collapse?

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:13 | 2623480 spinone
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shouldnt it have collapsed into its own basement by now?

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:36 | 2623537 rufusbird
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Only if the basement is full of gold...

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:39 | 2623549 my puppy for prez
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Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:13 | 2623481 Disenchanted
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I guess we should have hired Turkey to rebuild the WTC complex. We now know their highrises can withstand fires without collapsing into their own footprint. s/

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:13 | 2623482 New_Meat
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"Steel doesn't melt" Rosie O'Donnell

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 08:41 | 2623710 General Decline
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Really? I guess I'm going to sell my oxy-acetelyne torches now. They're useless to me.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 11:02 | 2624266 Mad Max
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You might notice that those are oxygen-acetylene, not air-kerosene or air-office paper?

Have you ever melted steel over an open-air fire of phone books and loose paper?

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 22:17 | 2630542 FeralSerf
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Oxy-acetylene torches do not cut steel by melting it.  The steel actually burns.  After the steel gets to ignition temperature (quite high) the acetylene can be turned off and the (pure) oxygen does the job by itself.  This is not very similar to what happens when kerosene and air (at normal pressure) burns in contact with steel.  The temperature of an oxy-acetylene flame is also much higher than the temperature of a kerosene and air flame.

Do you wonder why kerosene-air heaters don't melt?  It's because they don't get hot enough.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 07:48 | 2627459 New_Meat
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I guess I should have put </sarc> in, but after all, it was Rosie running her mouth.  Hooke's Law and building design in the plastic region are beyond her.

- Ned

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:14 | 2623484 grunk
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Hillary Clinton will blame it on Syria.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:14 | 2623487 Herodotus
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A Syrian HVAC subcontractor had recently been observed doing work in the building.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:18 | 2623499 Disenchanted
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'Syrian' HVAC contractor that was cleared by the Israeli 'security' team at the building...a company such as ICTS maybe?

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 08:02 | 2623587 slackrabbit
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GE make air conditioners...just saying


Tue, 07/17/2012 - 08:24 | 2623649 Mitzibitzi
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They make military aircraft engines, too. What a fuckin' coincidence!

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 08:34 | 2623684 Zero Debt
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Sprinkler installation done by a company from Athens.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:16 | 2623492 shokdee
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Golly, those flames look huge! I really hope the steel doesn't melt and weaken the structure so that it pancakes into a cloud of dust.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:16 | 2623495 Bogdog
Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:18 | 2623498 Seize Mars
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Yeah, it's not the collapse at freefall speed that gets ya. It's the sudden stop at the end.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:20 | 2623501 Hannibal
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Lets see if they'll "pull it" like building 7.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:22 | 2623503 max2205
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Auntie Em!!!

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:22 | 2623504 CCanuck
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Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:25 | 2623513 Seize Mars
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Yeah, pull it. And for heaven's sake, can't we get a BBC reporter to stand in front of it and say that it collapsed minutes ago? That would round it out.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:35 | 2623534 Itch
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Ordinarily that would be an outrageous insinuation, but when you consider the amount of MI5/6 that work in the BBC, its not that outlandish.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:37 | 2623540 my puppy for prez
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The comments above are HILARIOUS!  I knew I would find some clever ones when I saw the article title.  So I will add my own:

You know what comes next:  Freefal pancake implosion and dust clouds for miles!  I hope the Tylers will link to that footage...


Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:51 | 2623571 General Decline
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Have they searched the surrounding sidewalks for any unusual passports?

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:40 | 2623551 Skateboarder
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Maybe they aired a special a few months ago on what a fire drill in Turkey would look like, if a 42-story building were to catch fire in Istanbul.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:55 | 2623575 General Decline
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Did Larry Silverstein recently purchase this building?

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 08:02 | 2623588 JustObserving
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No.  Lucky Larry just got a one week lease and $3 billion in fire insurance.  Some people have all the luck.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:22 | 2623505 paint it red ca...
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we starting a pool on whether the girders remain standing or not?

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:28 | 2623518 Frastric
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Of course they will remain standing! Even if the fire remained out of control, it will eventually burn out most of the interior save for the steel frame which will be probably degraded and a bit deformed but still standing.

Unless of course the girders and fireproofing materials are lading with thermate to erm... prevent fires from happening.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:24 | 2623510 Mitzibitzi
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Wonder what happened to the 757 that was supposed to crash into it first? Hey, maybe the passengers 'fought back'?

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:26 | 2623515 Disenchanted
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The passengers clicked their heels together three times and flew to Shanksville...

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:24 | 2623511 Hobbleknee
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"A faulty air conditioner may have triggered the blaze, Istanbul’s governor Huseyin Avni Mutlu was quoted as saying."

How could they possibly know that already?

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:46 | 2623562 Skateboarder
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So... air conditioners are terrorists now!? FUCK!

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 08:03 | 2623585 Diogenes
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How could they know this?


Because some guy saw his air conditioner explode, went "holy shit! my air conditioner exploded!" in Turkish, and ran like hell. When the neighbors asked what was the matter he told them and everybody ran out of the building. They told the reporters, and the reporters told you.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:45 | 2623541 Dr. Engali
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Clearly the reason this tower hasn't collapsed is because the fire runs up and down the length of the tower leaving three sound sides. Now had the fire been in the center mass at the very top floors it would be a different story. Everybody knows that scenario will flatten the building like a pancake.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:38 | 2623543 10044
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So is the bbc correspondent going to stand in front of this one and say it's already collapsed??

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:50 | 2623560 JustObserving
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Then the BBC will promptly lose all footage of the event due to a "cockup."

BBC Responds to Building 7 Controversy; Claim 9/11 Tapes Lost

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:41 | 2623548 Yellowhoard
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The fire seems to be under control but they'll clearly need to "pull" it.

It's a good thing these things come pre wired for demolition.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:42 | 2623554 BigInJapan
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Istanbul was Constantinople now it's Istanbul, not Constantinolpe

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:51 | 2623556 Pike Bishop
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They're calling in Rudy G. That fucker will be junk in cargo holds tracking out of Istanbul before the sun comes up tomorrow.

In a few weeks it'll be at the bottom of the Lauretian Abyss along with the WTCs, anybody who knew what really happened, and Megatron.

Then Rudy will run for Prime Minister of Turkey on the "Elect Me or We'll All Be Killed by al Qaeda" ticket

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 09:20 | 2623843 New England Patriot
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And the Red October.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:58 | 2623567 Paul Atreides
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Humour aside RT posted a video yesterday of cooling stacks being brought down by controlled demolition then today a skyscraper totally a blaze that does not collapse. The fire was a coincidence but RT is using both incidents as an opportunity to send its viewers a message and to mock western media.



Tue, 07/17/2012 - 08:12 | 2623611 Mitzibitzi
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I'd say Western media make a mockery of themselves without any help, but props to RT for the effort.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:52 | 2623573 razorthin
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Were there any suspicious looking Cretans in the area?

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 09:44 | 2623922 Bastiat
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Manhattan was crawling with cretins around 9/11.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 07:55 | 2623576 slackrabbit
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I'm waiting for the building beside it to collapse as well.... 

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 08:16 | 2623624 Mitzibitzi
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Which one? That one with the wisp of smoke coming out of it, like maybe a waste-basket is on fire? Well known that those kinds pf fires are the most dangerous, cos, like... the building just totally looks like it's gonna do anything except collapse into it's own footprint at freefall speed... then it does!

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 08:15 | 2623613 bigkahuna
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Still hasn't collapsed? WTF! I thought they all went down in free fall when they caught fire, and then Turkey would go terrorist hunting and then go after another country to settle the score after accusing them of having WMD.

Is that not what happens in all countries?

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 08:20 | 2623635 Mitzibitzi
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What? Syria has WMDs, you say? How'd you find out about that? Surely you must have a network of spies all throughout the Middle East, who are totally reliable when it comes to spotting those things? You're not making this shit up cos you want a war to further your colonial ambitions and secure even more of the global oil supply than you already have, are ya?

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 18:38 | 2626217 bigkahuna
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I've been found out! Perhaps if I invite you into my club of get whatever the fuck you want you won't tell anyone?

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 08:24 | 2623645 shutupnsing
Tue, 07/17/2012 - 08:28 | 2623658 Temporalist
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Mmmm turkey and stuffing

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 08:48 | 2623689 kill switch
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 The Turkish defense minister just announced they are missing over a trillion dollars...hmmmmm

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 08:42 | 2623714 Benjamin Glutton
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Damn airlines are never on schedule...what was the destination of that Delta Flight?

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 08:48 | 2623738 Hman
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If it does not impload and fall at free fall speed, then, there must be a consperacy.


Humm .. 

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 08:51 | 2623747 buzzsaw99
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Only American made buildings melt like ice cream?

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 09:45 | 2623927 Bastiat
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Even better than that: they mostly turn into powder before they hit the ground.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 09:00 | 2623784 tmosley
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Somehow I knew this would be another 9/11 conspiracybait thread.

Watch me get downvoted for telling people to watch this video, which details what freefall speed is, then shows the length of time it took for each tower to collapse.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 10:01 | 2623984 Urban Roman
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That's just weak. They start and stop the video, and cut back and forth, and then tell us at the end that it took 22 seconds or whatever. The timer was started ... 22 seconds before it was stopped.

There's a frame-by-frame analysis of Bldg 7 around somewhere ... showing 9.8m/s^2 acceleration. The curve fits with the real-time video without intercutting clips of Rosie O'Donnel.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 10:29 | 2624109 tmosley
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That's pretty weak, dude.  They stopped the video and stopped the timer.  Then restarted the video and restarted the timer.  You are just fishing for excuses.

Not only that, but you can confirm it for yourself.  Just watch the unedited video.

I WANTED to post one where it showed the collapse from the side with lots of other buildings in the frame, which allowed you to not only see that the debris that fell to the side of the building was falling much faster (ie at freefall), but also allowed you to calculate the speed, as the other buildings are of a known height.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 13:59 | 2625014 Killtruck
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Ummm...I think you're forgetting the whole "every action has an equal and opposite reaction" thing. You know, like how if the top section hits the bottom section, there's an equal force directed upwards? I didn't see that on your magic video. Even if it took 22 seconds (which it didn't, because I watched it happen live), there wouldn't be anything left of the top section by the time the collapse reached an equal number of floors.

Damn you, Ike Newton!

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 10:16 | 2624043 Scalaris
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Should the current formula be applied to the calculation of freefallling-speed, for buildings that weren't hit by anything whatsoever but collapsed nonetheless, in the same fashion as the rest of the buildings which did indeed got hit within the vicinity, as well?

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 10:30 | 2624116 tmosley
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The tunnels were on fire, guy.  Literally turned into a giant blast furnace.  Burning tunnels have been used to collapse buildings since the invention of fortification.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 22:25 | 2630565 FeralSerf
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What was the fuel and what was the oxidizer in those tunnel fires?  How much was available?  Or do you belong the nuclear theory group?   It takes a hell of a lot of BTUs to melt a thousand tons of 4 inch thick steel plate all at once.

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 02:43 | 2627170 audiorbit
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NIST investigation admits its free fall.

re: WTC-1 and WTC-2

"the building section above came down essentially in free fall, as seen in videos" -- Structural Fire Response and Probably Collapse Sequence of the World Trade Center Towers (page 320) [ ]

re: WTC-7

"This freefall drop continued for aproximately 8 stories or 32.0m (105ft), the distance travelled between times t=1.75s and t=4.0s" --  Final Report on the Collapse of World Trade Center Building 7, Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster (page 45) [ ]

When you are ready to open your mind, you can then watch this:

Or not. I don't care.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 09:04 | 2623793 LFMayor
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Miles Wide


Stories hiiiiiigghhh

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 11:11 | 2624316 KK Tipton
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Were there people gettin' down on the roof?

Burn baby burn...

Disco Inferno

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 09:08 | 2623811 Au Member
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double post


Tue, 07/17/2012 - 09:28 | 2623865 Fix It Again Timmy
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DHS will have a 10am news conference and declare all air conditioning illegal from this point on, they have to keep us SAFE.  Also, B1 bombers are being scrambled to drop tons of bombs on suspected air conditioning factories in the US and in fer'en countries.  DHS, they're do'in a heckuva job!!!  Citizens, please call 1-800-STOP AC if you see suspected air conditioning units.  Together, we kin win this ware!

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 09:30 | 2623869 DutchDude
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Meh, it's just a fleshwound...

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 09:34 | 2623880 Mr Pink
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Every party needs a we invited tmosely!  Why does there always have to be one idiot who says " freefall speed is actually 9 seconds and the buildings fell in 10.5 ! so the OS must be right!"

Please explain why the upper floors didnt topple in the direction that they began to lean, instead taking the path of the most resistance. Then explain how the 47 steel columns in the core and all the concrete floors just turned into dust

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 09:44 | 2623925 Seize Mars
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There is no point arguing about whether it was a scam. It's obvious. The point is to try to understand its meaning.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 10:06 | 2623999 Inthemix96
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Here, I have never laughed as much reading the comments, cheers all.

Oh, and another thing, who stole the fucking plane?  Where is it?  Has J6M rehypothicated the fucker?

Oh?  Hang on?  Never mind.........


Tue, 07/17/2012 - 10:45 | 2624174 TheCanadianAustrian
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Show me evidence that the fire in this building burned with enough heat to mimic what a plane load of jet fuel provides, then maybe I'll give the 9/11 conspiracy theories some consideration.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 10:49 | 2624196 jaap
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it is not the amount of kerozine that matters, it is the max. temperature burning kerozine can reach. That is not enough to melt steel (in Turkish buildings).

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 11:12 | 2624320 TheCanadianAustrian
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I'll concede to you that it's not hot enough to melt steel. I won't even bother looking it up.

But the key (and oh so often avoided) question is this: Is it hot enough to weaken steel? I was taught as a kid, long before 9/11, that temperatures below steel's melting point are still hot enough to cause steel to lose its strength.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 11:59 | 2624529 jaap
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Many high rising buildings had fires... much heavier too. Only in one occasion they collapse. That was when 2 planes hit 3 buildings.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 12:30 | 2624624 TheCanadianAustrian
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Please define "much heavier". I'm not an expect on building fires, so if you can point to a building fire that a layman can easily recognize as being "worse" than the twin towers, then I'll examine that. I'm trying to help you convince me.


And regarding the fact that only after planes full of jet fuel crashed into them did a scyscraper ever collapse: This argument empowers the conspiracy doubters. You do realize that, don't you?

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 14:23 | 2625089 Disenchanted
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How about the length of time the fire burned as a factor?


South WTC Tower 56 minutes, North WTC Tower 102 minutes...south tower hit last collapsed first. That is some fast acting fire...


As a comparison:


The One Meridian Plaza Fire


One Meridian Plaza is a 38-floor skyscraper in Philadelphia that suffered a severe fire on February 23, 1991. The fire started on

the 22nd floor and raged for 18 hours, gutting eight floors and causing an estimated $100 million in direct property loss. 1   2   3  

It was later described by Philadelphia officials as "the most significant fire in this century".


The fire caused window breakage, cracking of granite, and failures of spandrel panel connections. 4   Despite the severity and duration of the fire, as evidenced by the damage the building sustained, no part of the building collapsed.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 12:04 | 2624547 mvsjcl
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"I was taught as a kid, long before 9/11, that temperatures below steel's melting point are still hot enough to cause steel to lose its strength."


Yeah. And I still remember my old pappy sitting me up on his knee and telling me that tall, steel-framed towers were dangerous and should be avoided as they were prone to collapsing at the slightest strain and falling at nearly free-fall velocity straight through the undamaged portion of the building. Told me this long before 9/11, mind you. Freaking clairvoyant, he was!

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 12:20 | 2624593 TheCanadianAustrian
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See, all 9/11 conspiracy debates go exactly like this. Legitimate questions are raised, and the theorists have no response except for condescension and deflection. And you wonder why the rest of the population won't "wake up" to your truth?


Sorry, but if your entire argument depends on the premise that steel cannot weaken below melting temperature (how did blacksmiths ever do their job?) then you're going to continue to have a very difficult time convincing open-minded people to pay attention to the rest of your arguments.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 13:15 | 2624827 WorkingClassHero
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Just watch a video of building 7's collapse.  It's not a slow, localized deformation of a portion of the building on top of the weakened steel beam.  Its a complete global collapse with a very sudden onset.  Look at the roofline.  The entire roofline, all 4 corners, all start falling at exactly the same time.  For this to happen, every single perimeter column must fail at exactly the same time.  Its impossible in the real world without some very precise engineering.  Now watch the collapses of the towers.  You have roughly a 25% chunk of the top of the building crushing straight thru the bottom 75% chunk below it.  Its a direct violation of the law of conservation of momentum.  The top 25% should only have crushed roughly the 25% below it before it exhausted all of its gravitational potential energy, which would have left a full 50% of the building still standing.  That didn't happen, so obviously there was additional energy added to the system.  If you really want to continue in your government sanctioned fantasy land, you better change your argument to include the fact that the buildings were built with a demolotion system in place, and the gov't just decided to use the system after the towers had been hit.  

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 13:59 | 2625007 TheCanadianAustrian
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No, I don't need to change my argument, because your assumption that 50% of the building should have remained standing is pulled out of someone's ass.

Your argument is like saying when you tip over a domino, there should only be enough energy to knock over another domino of equal size, and any domino from #3 onward should remain standing, and therefore all falling domino videos on YouTube are government sanctioned fantasies.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 14:51 | 2625210 WorkingClassHero
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I pulled that one out of Newton's ass buddy.  He proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt about 300 years ago.  You're obviously a little slow to come around to the idea.  And your comparison of a rigid skyscraper to a series of independant dominoes tells me everything I need to know about your scientific literacy.  I'll move on. Clearly I'm wasting my time trying to educate you.      

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 00:27 | 2630790 Daniel Noel
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Don't look for complex explanations to 9/11. Just start by affirming the official narrative until you bump into a TV problem. is more than you need.


Tue, 07/17/2012 - 17:04 | 2625905 Maghreb
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If the fire was hot enough to burn steel why were all those poor bastards standing around where the planes went in? Why didn't those passports burn up. Wouldn't the black boxes have survived however bad the fire was? However piss poor the theorists are the official story is also piss poor. I didn't see any conspiracy theorists calling for war the very next day and fighting for over a decade in the Middle East on the basis of a piss poor story.



Tue, 07/17/2012 - 10:59 | 2624240 Mr Pink
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The jet fuel, the jet fuel! The magical substance that melts steel! Do yourself a favor and look up what jet fuel actually is and what temperature it burns at. Then go back to watching CNN or reading Popular Mechanics

Wed, 07/18/2012 - 02:52 | 2627181 audiorbit
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What amazes me is jet planes are made of... steel! and burn... jet fuel! That be pure magic, sir!

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 10:50 | 2624203 torak
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OK, waiting to see it implode like a controlled demolition (but why do I think that won't happen?).

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 12:32 | 2624634 robertocarlos
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There are videos of the thermite charges going off as the tower falls.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 14:46 | 2625179 Sokhmate
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Start scouting for a van and 5 persons in surrounding blocks.

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 14:47 | 2625188 miltiadis
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I want to add that the Turkish fire brigade used Aerial firefighting in order to combat the fire. Although i am not an expert i wonder why this didn't happened in 9/11

Tue, 07/17/2012 - 14:57 | 2625208 tony wilson
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it had been such a terrible,terrible day here today.

the event here today in turkey today was a terrible day today.

so much wasted traitorious turkish life.

so much smoke,so much dirt and asbestos in the air covering all the fruit and nut sellers today in instabully bull bull

so i gave the order to the bbc to release the press statement that the building collapsed from fire damage into it's own footprint freefall style.

my cousin larry silversteins upgrading of the insurance policy last week was a mere mad coincidence.


lloyds of london  need not fret like  911 the cost monies for this tragic event will be loaded onto the tax payer


Tue, 07/17/2012 - 20:31 | 2626468 _SILENCER
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I guess Chertoff will have to rush right in and sell the Turks an assload of naked body scanner cancer booths.



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