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Two Chinese Fighter Jets Repelled US Spy Aircraft In Taiwan Strait Last Month

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Mon, 07/25/2011 - 11:46 | 1490672 redpill
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Why are we dicking around with China anyway, don't we have enough shit to worry about as it is?

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 11:51 | 1490688 qussl3
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The US stands to benefit the most with an internal destabilzation of China, less competition for oil and destruction of offshored manufacturing.

Tho is suspect US vs China has less to do with US interests but more with maintaining the dominance of the string pullers we do not see.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 11:59 | 1490718 redpill
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It's flawed logic, and stems from the same failed megalomanical viewpoint that the US can control the world.  We should knock it off before we make things even worse.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:21 | 1490809 dlmaniac
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Obama sent the spy plane out in a desperate attempt to find out how much more debt China is willing to add to finance his 2nd term.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 14:06 | 1491235 tekhneek
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Aw c'mon, what about tradition?

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:10 | 1490759 papaswamp
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Best way to get the US economy and manufacturing base kicked to life….WW3. You it's sickening, but wars cost money…which means they make money. they also tend to polarize nations. Common enemy gets everyone on the same page.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:39 | 1490901 Missiondweller
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No need for that. We can declare China a "currency manipulator" and slap a 25% trariff on their goods or even demand "safety inspenctions" on all CHinese goods coming to the US (The same tactics the Japanese used againts us in the 80's). This would essentially stop all commerce.

The resulting demand for manufacturing jobs in the US would be enough to reduce unemployment by 5% but would of course, cause an economic war with China dumping all US treasuries.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:34 | 1490863 Chief KnocAHoma
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Chill pill... our pilots were just looking for the best Kung Pow Chicken in the World. Where else should they go?


I am The Chief

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 11:54 | 1490680 dwdollar
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I'm not sure if this was on zerohedge.  I just learnt about it this past weekend...

Fishy Chips: Spies Want to Hack-Proof Circuits [From China]

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:13 | 1490766 dwdollar
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I doubt people understand the gravity of corrupted ICs from China.  There could be commericial chips which currently have kill switches (not just military, which is less likely since presumabley at least some of them are tested for such things).

What does that mean to you?  Either you pay up or your electronics are turned off.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:14 | 1490780 dwdollar
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Don't worry though.  Just pretend I'm wearing a tinfoil hat and forget about it.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:17 | 1490795 Broomer
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It is true for both sides. Your computer can be disabled by Microsoft if you use Windows.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:26 | 1490823 dwdollar
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If it does I'm sure they are fully aware of it.  How many people does Microsoft outsource again?  I doubt the typical IC fabricator based in Chongqing does much outsourcing.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 15:32 | 1491612 Hacked Economy
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That's why I have a separate laptop that I NEVER connect to the Interwebs.  I use it as an offline backup.  Currently for things like Powerpoint presentations and piddly stuff, but it's a backup nonetheless...just in case.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 18:25 | 1492278 Bobbyrib
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AAPL is not just a stock.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 11:51 | 1490686 KCMLO
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Any word on the type of "spy" aircraft they intercepted?  That could be very telling...

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:08 | 1490752 HungrySeagull
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We have any number or types of Electronic Birds in our Inventory. Any of which would have done welll.

Feels like the old Cold War days all over again.

I hope we had a few Raptors in the area in chase if the Chinese did some shooting....

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:11 | 1490764 Conrad Murray
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Those junk buckets have been grounded since May for being pieces of shit that kill our Airmen.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:33 | 1490860 KCMLO
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Well I used to fly on one of those during my AF days.  Hence my curiosity.  However, the different aircraft type/variant would let me know what we were doing there.  Some of them are wise to intercept, and some of them are silly (like Hainan EP-3 incident).

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 13:03 | 1491014 terryg999
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Me too!  As a 208.



Mon, 07/25/2011 - 13:36 | 1491115 KCMLO
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:) just to show how often they shake these things up, I'm not sure what a 208 is anymore.  I was a 1A8 (but that's just AF terminology for that period [98-2004] so it could be meaningless now).

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 21:25 | 1492756 terryg999
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Chinese linguist circa the 80's.

I feel old!

Also, spent 5 years at Clark in it's heyday......I feel young again

Tue, 07/26/2011 - 13:01 | 1494958 KCMLO
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Nice!  I was a Serbian/Croatian Linguist.  Spent 2 great years at Mildenhall, UK actually doing something, and then 3 years at Offutt AFB trying not to lose my mind with boredom and additional (ie busywork) duties.  Offutt was my first introduction to government waste.  Over 400 enlisted aviators (mostly linguists) which cost about $2 mil to train a piece sitting around doing nothing.  Of course the ground training equipment we had (which we frequently had to dust off, no shit) was probably worth about $250 mil as well.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 15:51 | 1491751 DosZap
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I wish the unarmed US aircraft had ignored the Chinese aircraft............they actually think they would shoot it down?.

China is not STUPID.

Tue, 07/26/2011 - 13:04 | 1494971 KCMLO
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I wouldn't gamble a pilot and a U2 on that, especially considering the fighter reaction might be what they were going for in the first place.  Considering how close they were flying to the Chinese mainland, the Chinese might have been well within their right to shoot it down.  Doesn't mean they would, but if you already have the intel you want, why risk anything more?

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:41 | 1490916 Missiondweller
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Almost certainly a drone these days. Global Hawk?

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:45 | 1490928 KCMLO
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According to this article:


It was a U2.  They have a comms suite available for that which has a wide footprint for communications intercept, but given how close they were to China's coast that would have bee unneccesary.  Probably an imagery run.  It probably wasn't done intentionally to provoke a fighter response (we do that all the time) considering the on-board equipment wouldn't glean much from the fighters, maybe the ground controller reaction.  I'm thinking it was an imagery run of the Chinese navy in the area.  Not exactly the brightest way to do it...

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 11:54 | 1490696 Transitory Disi...
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Also hardly any coverage of that "missile" that was launched off the coast of California either.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:02 | 1490730 Manthong
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Linking to articles that you need a subscription to read is irritating.

A note indicating that a subsription is required to access link would avoid wasted bits, bandwidth and time.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:05 | 1490739 Ghordius
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ZH! By Jingo! Where did you get this "...with the sole purpose of humiliating the US" from? Murdoch? The Sun? Fox News?

With phrases like "...the sole military superpower and the nation believed to be its most likely challenger" you behave like the worst tabloids before a new aggression war.

China has never shown much military interest beyond their own territory (ok, ok, Taiwan is a special case).

The spy plane was there. China and the US Fleets have those tussles in the straits of Taiwan since DECADES.

Please, don't "break the news" like it never happened before. It's not financials, it's politics-as-usual.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:10 | 1490760 HungrySeagull
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I agree. I have been around for Decades and the pushing of "Breaking News" is new to the children who are becoming of age unaware of History because our Public Schools have failed them.

These incidents will continue as they have. It's a very... dangerous game that we must endure to gather any kind of information we can. The Chinese are doing the same with us as well.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:27 | 1490832 Ghordius
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You mean young people in the USA are not aware of the purpose of the US Fleets and their seasonal engagements?

This one goes back to the fifties http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Taiwan_Strait_Crisis .

It's usually the Seventh Fleets playground. Got to ask my nephews in Florida if they ever heard of it...

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:24 | 1490824 InconvenientCou...
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Teach the children to critically evaluate new information presented. That skill will open the door to others.

Of course, if you are a conservative, teach them to ignore the urge to have new ideas and just listen to religious leaders, their parents, faux news and other approved sources.


Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:49 | 1490953 Vergeltung
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mono-focused moron that you are, can you not see the same orthodoxy on the left? I imagine not.....

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:57 | 1490982 Rodent Freikorps
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That's a nice False Choice you present. I give it a six.

The irony is you are championing critical thinking. Heh.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 13:13 | 1491053 fuu
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Mon, 07/25/2011 - 13:43 | 1491138 ibjamming
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WTF???  You think the "right" are the on;y ones with fucked up ideas?

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:32 | 1490858 oa92000
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china is an evil country, we shold hit them hard.

Tue, 07/26/2011 - 08:10 | 1493886 goldfish1
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Note to Tyler:

A captcha for the ignorant and uninformed might be a solution to the above.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:34 | 1490866 arby63
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Without being completely "tongue in cheek," I say fuck the bastards. Defeating China would be pretty darn easy: Just close all the Wal Marts.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:39 | 1490899 downrodeo
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Slik Hill'y...

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:46 | 1490931 Laddie
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In April 2001, China shot down a US Jet with Israeli supplied PYTHON missiles. The Python is an Israeli short-range air-to-air missile, which is a re-engineered version of the U.S.-made AIM-9 “Sidewinder.”

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 14:03 | 1491216 optimator
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Note that the Chinese don't use the J-10 (U.S. engineered Israeli Lavi) for these intereptions of American recon assets like the U-2 (TR-2 as the U-2 is now modified).

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:54 | 1490980 suteibu
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Clinton has already given an answer.  At this weekend's ASEAN Forum (obviously after this incident), Clinton declared that the US was a "resident power" in Asia.

The US must be using Okinawa and South Korea to fulfill their Asian residency requirement.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 13:04 | 1491020 Rodent Freikorps
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The Strait of Malacca is kind of important. It is a legitmate strategic concern.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 13:15 | 1491057 suteibu
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A "resident power"?  That might be stretching it a bit.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 13:52 | 1491165 bugs_
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be careful going up against Wong Wei

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 14:06 | 1491234 Lazane
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the day of the great war between the yangs and the coms maybe just around the next corner

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 14:26 | 1491310 Hannibal
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SO,..Dont fuck with China's front yard,.....eh!

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