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Two Opposing Views On The SNB Intervention, Or Rather One View (Goldman's) And One Cartoon

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Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:15 | 1638534 GeneMarchbanks
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That's funny! Also, kinda sad.

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:19 | 1638552 wang (not verified)
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Ron Paul on Bloomberg TV with Tom Keene between  12:20 and 1pm  http://www.bloomberg.com/tv/

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:22 | 1638562 JW n FL
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the show will not be uploaded to youtube after and will be destroyed so no one can see it ever again! LOL!!

Invisable Ron Paul shall be scrubbed from any and all hard drives!

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:46 | 1638643 trav7777
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we've always been at war with Eastasia

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:59 | 1638689 spiral_eyes
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I'm really happy about the SNB decision. They just destroyed the last fiat haven (Krugman would say treasuries are still a haven, except that when priced against gold they're not). Hastens the Keynesian endgame, bitchez

(and UBS — who are sure to appreciate the "boost" — told us yesterday about Keynesian endgames)


Tue, 09/06/2011 - 13:11 | 1638717 Miss Expectations
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JL, they scrubbed dutchsinse from Youtube yesterday. 


Tue, 09/06/2011 - 20:00 | 1640138 RagnarDanneskjold
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Ron Paul interview is on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zu0U58MvSQ

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 13:52 | 1638819 Shrimp Head
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Like dancing clowns on fire.

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:17 | 1638543 Mediocritas
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Overall, we therefore expect the impact on FX markets of today’s announcement to be limited to the Swiss Franc.


Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:25 | 1638573 Mountainview
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Remember George Soros' fight against Pound Sterling... Expect GS to do the same with CHF!!!

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:46 | 1638642 Ghordius
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It's not a peg, it's a floor. You can't fight it...

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:50 | 1638659 outsidertrader
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Soros was selling an overvalued currency whose central bank was trying to maintain the cuurency level. Thus the Bank of England had to sell foreign exchange reserves and BUY sterling---clearly the BOE's FX reserves are not unlimited so the intervention failed. The SNB is doing EXACTLY the opposite--it is SELLING CHF and is not limited by the size of it's FX reserves. IT can sell as many CHF as it wants to. The two examples are diametrically opposite.


Tue, 09/06/2011 - 13:22 | 1638750 Mountainview
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I think the cartoon explains it well. Obviously the SNB can create money at discretion. But if they create it out of reasonable relation to other macro economic figures (GDP, Credit market) they will create distortion in other markets. This is already visible in form of a real estate bubble.

I would recommend the SNB to peg to a trade weighted basket or to separate commercial and financial CHF.

To fix a target against an obviously sick currency is a bad idea.

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 13:36 | 1638766 Ghordius
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They will soon debate in parliament about a second currency, the talk in Switzerland is about a "Gold Franc".

This is handy since they coined in the last century some fifty millions of the famous "Gold 20 SFr.", aka "Vreneli", which is identical in weight (some 6 grams - roughly one fifth of an ounce) with all the other historical Gold 20 Francs which France and other European Countries coined.

Now this could be fun - an Exchange Tradable Swiss Currency fully backed by gold and which you can "enjoy" in small coins...

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 13:39 | 1638781 Ghordius
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Sorry, the EUR is not sick.

I repeat: it's all well with the ECB.

The trouble in the EuroZone is not (yet) in the currency, it's in the gov debt. Which does not translate into currency troubles (yet).

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 13:43 | 1638796 Mountainview
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If a central bank starts to buy massively sovereign debt (Like the ECB in the case of Greek, Irish, Portuguese, Spanish and Italian debt, in the case of the FED of Treasuries) it's a sign of currency sickness. The SNB has no need to buy Swiss debt.

I go with your Gold CHF...

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 14:30 | 1638986 outsidertrader
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It's a cap not a peg. But nevertheless I agree that it would make more sense to cap against a basket. Still, for the moment, although the euro is in my opinion a very sick concept, it is not in fact particularly sick in terms of fx rates. both eur/$ and eur/gbp are very slightly above their average for the last 12 months. The fact is that the chf is grossly overvalued by any rational measure against all other majors. i believe that this is entirely due to the perception that is a safe haven. take away that notion and why would anyone buy chf at these levels?


Tue, 09/06/2011 - 15:33 | 1639242 Mountainview
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Correct, remain Norwegian Crowns, Yen, the final undervalued currency--RENMINBI and real commodities -GOLD. Renmibi you have to buy on the blackmarket and in the case of commos you should insist on physical possession...

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:20 | 1638547 topcallingtroll
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Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:18 | 1638548 swanpoint
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Cartoons, Bitchez!

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:23 | 1638566 Zola
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Exactly why this market will not bottom until GS goes to 0...

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:53 | 1638670 Ghordius
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How dare you, mentioning the Holy Vampire Squid, you blasphemer.

To zero? It would be like cutting one head and a hundred new arise.

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:24 | 1638570 Archimedes
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Europe closes so the market rises 150 points like clockwork............

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 13:14 | 1638727 sbenard
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Yup! Just like clockwork!

The Fed is welfare for Wall St!

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:26 | 1638574 hungarianboy
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I wonder if this will fail at all.





Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:49 | 1638651 Hephasteus
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Now I don't know what you call funny but ^ is funny.

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:28 | 1638581 ramirez
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<offtopic>Greek 1YR bonds went up in the sky, bitchez:</offtopic> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=GGGB1YR:IND

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:30 | 1638585 r101958
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I posted this yesterday and something similar last Friday:

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 12:52

I don't like it but watch out for TPTB selling paper gold to prop up market tomorrow. Another paper gold -100 day. Just like before.

Fri, 09/02/2011 - 09:59

I don't like it but, as I said elsewhere, the TBTF's will sell their paper PM's near the near term top and then prop up the market with the proceeds next week (maybe sooner).

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:32 | 1638595 adr
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No way they let this market close red today. Not with Amazon up and RIM up. At some point today either the humans or algos are going to win and will getan up or down day but the algos have won more than the humans is this game.

This is again total insanity.

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 13:20 | 1638743 djsmps
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It's a good day to eat out. OPEN is up too.

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:38 | 1638612 Oh regional Indian
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The templar safe haven has so much ill-gotten wealth stashed away it would boggle the mind. Over centuries. And now, if investigators are to be believed, just the Indian Political class and gangster class has over 1.5 trillion dollars in swiss accounts.

Think also of all the dead dictators and drug king-pins who have had their money stashed there.

I don't think the Swiss have a liquidity problem. Lots of funds for them to access. Such a major crack-down and noise in India, I think the politico/gangsters will not raise a peep.

That, or the Swiss clock stopped. Or they went cuckoo.



Tue, 09/06/2011 - 16:17 | 1639386 ManufacturedOpinion
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OMG - yet ANOTHER pump for your lame water article.

Jeezus H., dude - give it a break already.

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:40 | 1638615 carbonmutant
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Cats must be sleeping with dogs... this out of Paul Krugman today

"The Peasants Are Revolting... by blaming democracy, the people who have gotten everything wrong are letting themselves off the hook. The elites on both sides of the Atlantic have messed up catastrophically, and need to face that fact.


Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:46 | 1638639 MsCreant
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All hands on deck, all hands on deck!

Captn' she's gonna explowde! She caain't take it any longer!!

Bwwwaaaaap! Bwwwaaaaap! Bwwwaaaaap! Bwwwaaaaap! 

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 13:04 | 1638697 carbonmutant
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That's what you get when you shovel too much fuel into the boilers...

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 13:08 | 1638710 MsCreant
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+1 Trillion!

Gosh, do ya think they know? Should someone go tell them?

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 13:22 | 1638747 carbonmutant
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Pitchforks and Torches are usually considered a clue...

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 13:23 | 1638749 Mediocritas
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If you try, they'll just look at you slyly, then shovel you into the boiler.

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:45 | 1638637 BigJim
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The Swiss CB shouldn't be buying Euros.. they should be printing money to buy gold.

Imagine if you could conjure almost infinite currency at will... would you use it to buy other currencies that could also be conjured at will? No, not unless you were fucking stupid.

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:50 | 1638655 Ghordius
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Do you have any idea what would happen if Central Banks would break their agreement on ignoring the yellow metal?

No way. They will stop ignoring it only when they can't do otherwise - and by then gold will be their only asset.

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:48 | 1638645 Tense INDIAN
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dollar is looking very strong::



Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:50 | 1638656 bozzy
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hang on - I thought I read that the SNB accepts the strong Franc, and will do other things to try to stimulate the Swiss economy.... Holy shit - I am SO out of date - that was at least a day or two ago....

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 12:57 | 1638679 Ghordius
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One of the rules out of the old CB Handbook: develop a badass street cred.

Never announce when you are going to strike, never pull your blow.

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 13:07 | 1638704 THE DORK OF CORK
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Any Central bank can destroy its currency if it wants to - it is not trying to peserve the value of its paper which is much more difficult objective.  - the next stop for CHF holders is Gold Baby.

The SNB wants to see Dollars flowing into Gold  , not into CHF.


Tue, 09/06/2011 - 13:12 | 1638722 MsCreant
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Poor central bankers, must be like herding cats!

I hope you are right. That would at least be something that made sense in this insanity.

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 13:26 | 1638756 Ghordius
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Hehehe, nice picture, "herding cats!"

I have to disagree with The Dork of Cork:

Central Banks don't want anybody in gold. Meanwhile, gold is the "Fallback Scenario" in case they really, really print too much.

China is fine with it because they control one third of the world's production AND they have a cultural "love" for Au.

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 14:29 | 1638983 THE DORK OF CORK
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Well 30 years of credit opium is in the system - and they seem to have a aversion to bank default so if that continues its Got to be Gold as this wall of credit is just getting negative real returns.

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 23:16 | 1640709 Alpha Monkey
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I thought the Euro had some gold on it's books marked to market.  Wouldn't that provide incentive for directing traffic into gold?

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 21:53 | 1640479 slewie the pi-rat
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hey msC!

when i read about the SNB this morning, i thought about you!  i read a post of yourZ over the weekend where you said someone had devoloped the idea that the dollar would hafta be devalued, and w/in about 48 hours, the swiss devalue the Franc! 

wowser!  what nefarious banksterism!  just last week, the SNB decided not to do this, then the trap is sprung, this morning, before the US markets start up after 3 days.  tyler doesn't think it will last, and neither do i, but as far as jawboning goes, today was practically biblical!

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 13:12 | 1638721 eurusdog
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As long as USD is headed up, Au stays soft. I am not saying it falls, it just stays soft at these levels. Good time to look at more Ag and Au purchases.

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