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UBS Down 9.6% As Unauthorized Trade Results In USD2bn Loss
UBS has started European trading off on the wrong track. 'Astonishingly', coming clean to a USD2bn loss on the back of unauthorized trading. No details on whether this was selling Greek credit protection or buying Portuguese bonds (for the yield) but the Bloomberg headlines, UBS equity price crash, and the ES reaction are clear:
*UBS SAYS TRADING LOSS OF $2 BLN :UBSN VX
*UBS CITES UNAUTHORIZED TRADE IN INVESTMENT BANK :UBSN VX
*UBS SAYS MAY MAKE LOSS IN THIRD QUARTER BECAUSE OF TRADE
*UBS SAYS NO CLIENT POSITIONS AFFECTED :UBSN VX
*UBS SAYS MATTER IS STILL BEING INVESTIGATED :UBSN VX
*UBS DROPS 9.2% IN ZURICH TRADING :UBSN VX (now 9.6%!!)
...and ES, after ramping back up to VWAP out of nowhere, ripped back below it - almost 3 standard deviations in an instant. FX seems relatively stable (though Swissy is strengthening a little vs the USD and jumped 20 pips in EURCHF's channel) but oil is dropping relatively quickly. Credit spreads are not budging much - though off their earlier tights. Gold and Silver seem unaffected for now.
Senior Financials opened 8.5bps tighter but quickly snapped back around 5bps - trading 285bps now.
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Just checked and you are correct. My gold and silver are unaffected by this development.
No Sh*t, we are going into a crisis much worse. This USA will go back, kicking and screaming if necessary, to a gold standard. The total amount of leverage, derivatives outstanding and assets held in the financial markets is enough to buy the western world several times over.
no chance in hell that will hapen. Fiat is the life line of the scum-sucking banksters.
They will switch only when it's good and proper for them (as in their best interest) to switch.
Does the SDR have a GOld piece to it? Didn't think so.
Will the Amero have a golden backside? Doubtful.
It's cashless transacting via "Human Capital Utility Factor" for serfs. Count on it.
Yes SIR, your forehead against that scanner.....beep...thank you. One Ration Unit for Number MCJ2319 on Aisle 666. PLEASE.....
ORI
Gold Will Fold
Rogue trader lol. More like hired gun who was short Gold and Silver. Notice they didn't tell you what he lost 2 billion on. When Kerviel went down it was instantly announced that it was natural gas. #Maniupulationfail
Just wait your gold silver will be very affected very much! In unexpected direction.
U.S. futures down because of this news. This could be bad. Whatever that trade was, there might be much more to this headline.
Good point.
word on the street is this was a naked silver short...
Doubtful.. all traders have to deal with evil risk mgmt division which basically never ever lets you take a naked bet unless its puny in size.
I heard someone on the floor mention it was a horrible rates bet but seemed more like a joke: 'a Bill Gross bet'. No idea what desk this guy sat on either.
My guess is buying Greek 1yr for the yield :)
My guess is signing up for a 10 percent currency hair cut and getting a 50 percent fat tail ass fucking that comes from a totally corrupted system.
Nah somebody got stuck on the 12 handle swiss drop last week.
Are Thursdays "bath day" for Mr. Buffet?
Oh Mr. Buffet, can you do me a favour and just hold this toaster for a minute. That's it, you're a love. Now just a sec while I plug it in. There you go.
AAAAAGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
Show me the Bloomberg topless top 12 calendar bell deviations.
This news can only be seen as BULLISH for US markets!
Boohoo. Time to die UBS.
Really, they should have been RIP'd in '08/'09. My money is on a complete US withdrawal by the Swiss investment banks (UBS first) by 2014.
Jerome Kerviel take 2, and the vol in futures was from Waddell and Reed
"unathorized" like in "you double down and we will look away and cross our fingers"?
Indeed. It's only rogue when there is a loss.
Nick Leeson ftw!
ha! i called it...knew there would be a rogue trade, so 2007/2008.....
fat fingered bitchez
Ever wonder why you never hear about "unauthorized" trades that make $2B profit? You lose on one and you're terminated and handed over to the prosecutors. You win and you're now head of the division, and well, we're still calculating your bonus, it's going to take us a while with numbers that big.
Say why YOU want to work for UBS...
lol got caught on the EUR/CHF short side for 2 mln a pip, ohhhh scared for life! (wtf gets into these people?)
Unauthorized GAMBLING Results In USD2bn Loss!
There fixed...trading would require skill and a solid knowledge of fundamentals and the fact that fundamentals actually mattered.
the 31 yr old trader was arrested in london @ 5 AM today EST or 10 AM london time.............
what.. you don't like satire?
Yeah, I do, but pretend a relative reads your post, hahaha!
oh ok... Hey family peeps. That didn't really happen.. I made it up.. it was 3 holes in the head and donkey porn.. *ba dum dum*.
Please use standard Stardate nomenclature. We here on planet Zargonzo don't understand this am/pm stuff.
Max Keiser rumor: this UBS loss was due to silver shorting
Well so far, the dollar is down maybe 25 pips, bondos are off maybe a half point and gold has rocketed $17 upward. I am sure this will change as soon as the programmers get to lower manhattan and blend with Tabasco, then filter through free Bennie bucks.....
Now I am confused.
Heart...bleeding....not very.....
Simply laughable excuse...some poor employee will get arrested today so UBS can save face and hang on to their clients
Agreed. Unless the bank itself is criminally incompetent, it is basically impossible to wear that much risk without the knowledge (and consent) of several layers of management above the trader.
Man arrested in London..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14927432
Madness man, and he's only 31, what a complete headfuck. I wonder what he thought when he seen that his positions were 2bln in the red...probably something like "if i close my eyes its not real".
you are assuming he actually did it himself, which I think is probably a great distance from the truth, poor bastard is a scapegoat
Well I wanted my money - they did not have it so they blamed a Jockstrap. Fuck em I'm insured ... but the fine print IS a bit of a worry. I Think I'm insured .. I paid the fee for service.. But they are insurance people... Fuck ... I'm Screwed
Such is the days of our drearies - He who Holds the Gold Fucking makes the rules .. OK
Wait for it I have Clarke and Dawes take on the whole thing. You know them ....two men and a question time about who owes what to what sovereign country..... Well when it is available it will all become Cognitave
According to FT Alphaville the guy worked in the equities division... might result in an interesting unwind
Compliance much?
Compliance we much..
from ETF desk
Let me guess, they bought Gold at 1920?
This is priced in.
It's only fiat.
well well, it could not possibly be UBS stupidity to lose 2 billion,lets find a patsy fall guy, my whiff is that the bank neglected somewhere to allow for a knock on from the Swiss euro peg sudden action,,It is entire nonsense for them to expect us to believe this rogue trader BS..no one operates like that with millions never mind billions
Seriously. Either UBS is technologically in the steam age (riiight) and can't even identify trades outside of basic risk controls or they are liars that depend on selling stupid lies to cover a horrendous move by a trading desk.
Which will it be UBS? You suck as a bank or you suck as a business?
At least Goldman doesn't sell their employees out like these bitch-banks across the pond.
When it is a loss, it is a "rougue" trader. When it is profit, it is Mr. Paulson, time for him to raise some money...
financial false flag!!!!
come on ubs, grow a pair. admit your books were cooked and you needed a fall guy to cover it up before you got caught when the euro blows up and investigations get started.
when it blows up... ha, it is blowing up as we speak and nobody involved wants to admit it till they cover themselves better. look at the stories/rumors about several euro members already printing currencies, Iceland puts out a story claiming they will not return to theirs and drachmas already trading. how many coutries are putting up finacial 'fences' to cover? germany says no 'period' on euro bonds which is the only way possible to save it. now big daddy soros has to put his idiotspeak powers to try and buy some time. sorry but it is just toast and ubs will be crushed in the process. this is just trying to buy time they no longer have.
Those darn pesky rogue traders. They just seem to pop up at the worst times. We had a rogue trader causin problems in 2008 and one now. It's a good thing they caught him before he did more damage.
Sarcasm off
It's like groundhog day.
Yes I heard he worked in the ETF division...now what ETF has been acting wierd....or will be..they did not say the trade has been unwound....they might have to buy themselves out of it....I´ll put my hat on gold and silver...his name is out..but I can´t spell it..
UBS reports $2 billion loss by rogue trader http://www.economicvoice.com/ubs-reports-2-billion-loss-by-rogue-trader/50023671
The silver bugs also have an unsubstantiated theory that this loss was due to an attempt by the bank to exit a naked silver short position. http://maxkeiser.com/2011/09/15/breaking-ubs-rogue-trader-was-trying-to-exit-a-naked-silver-short/
Rogue trader costs UBS $2bn http://www.fx-mm.com/8493/news/rogue-trader-costs-ubs-2bn/
UBS’s apparent reluctance to identify the precise source of the loss fuelled early speculation that the bank itself may have been culpable.
One unsubstantiated rumour circling in Zurich was that the $2 billion shortfall arose from a risky short on silver.
Kweku Adoboli is the name of the London Rogue Trader
https://www.facebook.com/people/Kweku-Adoboli/777375270?sk=wall
Apparently trying to exit a short naked position in Silver as mentioned above
Naked short position on silver does not add up to that kind of a loss in my opinion. Long the Swiss Franc on the other hand could do it considering what the Swiss National Bank intervention did to the Franc.
Funny when the money is lost someone gets blamed on a trade... How about the 20 plus point up move in the ES in fifteen minuits on Monday? What you have here is sector rotation out of usury leverage.. When you understand/play the game you know what is going on. The banksters are hoping that the people care about Eliot Spitzer's $5,000 peccadillo and ignor the $130,000,000 NYSE Grasso inicendent that got Eliot elected. We know Person owns a good portion of Financial Times, Murdock owns Dow Jones, Fox ect.. UBS issue yea blame it on a trader! What did they forget the "usury" line? Blame it on sub/alt/liar... THE BANKS LEVERED THIS JUNK 40 TO 1. Why? Gee government spending property tax a FICO system that rewards non-risk takers.
"The Rothschilds, and that class of money-lenders of whom they are the representatives and agents -- men who never think of lending a shilling to their next-door neighbors, for purposes of honest industry, unless upon the most ample security, and at the highest rate of interest -- stand ready, at all times, to lend money in unlimited amounts to those robbers and murderers, who call themselves governments, to be expended in shooting down those who do not submit quietly to being robbed and enslaved." by: Lysander Spooner(1808-1887) Political theorist, activist, abolitionist Source: "No Treason #6" (1870)
Irony:
UBS rogue held/incarcerated for $2B loss limited to those holding an interest, Fed racks up TARP, $787 Stimulus, and $600B QE2 losses, affecting virtually everyone, and they get to campaign for re-election.