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US Ambassador To Libya, Three Others, Killed

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Yesterday it was the US embassy in Egypt which fell victim to rioting as angry protestors stormed the building and replaced the US flag with a black one. Today, the violence shifts to Libya where the US ambassador and three staffers was just killed after an attack over a US-produced filmed deemed insulting to Muslims. Perhaps it is time for the US to replace one "pro-democracy" regime with another. From Reuters: "The U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other embassy staff were killed in a rocket attack on their car, a Libyan official said, as they were rushed from a consular building stormed by militants denouncing a U.S.-made film insulting the Prophet Mohammad." Number of US ambasadors to Libya killed under Gadaffi's regime? Zero.

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The U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other embassy staff were killed in a rocket attack on their car, a Libyan official said, as they were rushed from a consular building stormed by militants denouncing a U.S.-made film insulting the Prophet Mohammad.

 

Gunmen had attacked and burned the U.S. consulate in the eastern city of Benghazi, a centre of last year's uprising against Muammar Gaddafi, late on Tuesday evening, killing one U.S. consular official. The building was evacuated.

 

The Libyan official said the ambassador, Christopher Stevens, was being driven from the consulate building to a safer location when gunmen opened fire.

 

"The American ambassador and three staff members were killed when gunmen fired rockets at them," the official in Benghazi told Reuters.

 

There was no immediate comment from the State Department in Washington. U.S. ambassadors in such volatile countries are accompanied by tight security, usually travelling in well-protected convoys. Security officials will be considering whether the two attacks were coordinated.

 

Libyan deputy prime minister Mustafa Abu Shagour condemned the killing of the U.S. diplomats as a cowardly act.

 

The consular official had died after clashes between Libyan security forces and Islamist militants around the consulate building. Looters raided the empty compound and some onlookers took pictures after calm returned.

 

In neighbouring Egypt, demonstrators had torn down an American flag and burned it during the protest. Some tried to raise a black flag with the words "There is no God but God, and Mohammad is his messenger", a Reuters witness said.

From Al Jazeera:

The US ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, has died from smoke inhalation in an attack on the US consulate in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi, the country's interior ministry and security sources have said.

 

An armed mob attacked and set fire to the building in a protest against an amateur film deemed offensive to Islam's Prophet Muhammad, after similar protests in Egypt's capital.

 

The ambassador was paying a short visit to Benghazi when the consulate came under attack on Tuesday night, Al Jazeera's Suleiman El-Dressi reported from the eastern Libyan city.

 

He died of suffocation during the attack, along with two US security personnel who were accompanying him, security sources told Al Jazeera. Another consulate employee, whose nationality could not immediately be confirmed, was also killed.

 

Two other staffers were injured, Idrissi reported. The deaths were confirmed by Wanis al-Sharif, the Libyan deputy interior minister, to the AFP news agency.

 

Mustafa Abu Shagur, the Libyan deputy prime minister, condemned the "cowardly act of attacking the US consulate and the killing of [the ambassador] and the other diplomats".

 

The bodies of the dead were transported to the Benghazi international airport, to be flown to Tripoli and then onwards to a major US airbase in Germany.

 

Abdel-Monem al-Hurr, a spokesman for Libya's Supreme Security Committee, said on Wednesday that rocket-propelled grenades had been fired at the consulate from a nearby farm.

 

"There [were] fierce clashes between the Libyan army and an armed militia outside the US consulate," he said. He also said roads had been closed off and security forces surrounded the building.

 

A group calling themselves the 'Islamic law supporters' carried out the attack in response to the relaese of the film, Al Jazeera's El-Dressi reported.

 


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Wed, 09/12/2012 - 06:53 | Link to Comment Non Passaran
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Hope & change, the Middle East version

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 06:59 | Link to Comment theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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RIP a brave man trying to bring liberal western democracy to the world

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:04 | Link to Comment TwoShortPlanks
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You mean, enforce...right?!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:08 | Link to Comment Davalicious
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I thought this film was from an Israeli film maker? 

Just the Jews writing checks that American blood has to cash.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:14 | Link to Comment ThirdWorldDude
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+1 You got that right and even the Jooz themselves are admitting it:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/israeli-filmmaker-in-hiding-after-anti-islam-movie-sparks-deadly-libya-egypt-protests-1.464459

 

"Bacile, a California real estate developer in his fifties who identifies himself as an Israeli Jew, said he believes the movie will help his native land by exposing Islam's flaws to the world. "

"Islam is a cancer, period," he repeatedly said in a solemn, accented tone.

The two-hour movie, "Innocence of Muslims," cost $5 million to make and was financed with the help of more than 100 Jewish donors, said Bacile, who wrote and directed it.

The film claims Muhammad was a fraud. An English-language 13-minute trailer on YouTube shows an amateur cast performing a wooden dialogue of insults disguised as revelations about Muhammad, whose obedient followers are presented as a cadre of goons."

 

False-flag deep-fried swans, anyone?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:19 | Link to Comment strannick
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Portraying the followers of Muhammad as a cadre of goons? As in killing random people because a movie gets made? I guess they just helped prove the truth of that premise. Islamists murdered close to a million Christians in Sudan. This continues in Nigeria, Tunisia, Egypt. The western press refuses to cover this because it doesnt fit their script that all beliefs are happy happy. Why be shocked that a US Embassador got killed over a movie? Remember the Satanic Verses? or the Dutch having the audacity to criticize Muhammed? Anyone actually ever read what is between the covers of the Koran? Islam is demented.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:21 | Link to Comment Vagabond
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Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:51 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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From the shores of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli.

 

A long history of peas with those guys.

 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:59 | Link to Comment CharlieSDT
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So Allah and his Prophet must be the biggest pussy gods ever if violence from his followers is required every time someone "insults" them.  Doesn't Islam mean "peace" anyways?

His Noodly Appendage wouldn't put up with shit like that, he'd send a flaming meatball down on the blasphemer.  Or just hit the bowl again.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:29 | Link to Comment Hi Ho Silver
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Islam means Submission.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:38 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Sheria.....NOW!!!

 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:41 | Link to Comment N. B. Forrest
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Just another day of Muslims behaving badly. 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:44 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Been doing that crap for years....they're pretty good at it now.

 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:06 | Link to Comment BaBaBouy
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Quick, Quick, We Need Another War, Im Not Paying Enough For Gas Yet ...

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:18 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Just be patient.

 

Brazil is about to come online.

 

Alaska.....not so much.

 

The only sound you hear from the gulf of Mexico is crickets chirping...

 

 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:18 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:30 | Link to Comment Popo
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Anyone got a YouTube link to the "offensive" film?

 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:38 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Would you like a match with that cup of gas?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:49 | Link to Comment Slewburger
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Are we really supposed to believe 13 minutes of Youtube caused this, not years of occupation in the ME.

I don't believe it.

!Bring meee ZeE mecro Filmz!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 10:00 | Link to Comment Manthong
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 Well, he was an Ambassador, but the concern is whether he was like an Archduke to Obama.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 10:24 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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This audience, those killers, the shekinahhhh, shock-in-awers, the diplomats doing dirty deeds...

Actors all. Surprising, the degree of anti-muslim sentiment on this "globa" and "informed" board...

Funny that people still buy the lie, so to speak.

It's all propaganda...

ori

/for-dis-believers/

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 10:26 | Link to Comment Slewburger
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I have to wonder, what did security look like at an embassy in a recently destabilized country.

This is expected blow back for supporting the rebels is it not?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 11:00 | Link to Comment sushi
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Did this movie have scenes depicting the horde of goons firing Hellfire missiles from an UAV and incinerating a wedding party?

Any footage of a helicopter gunship firing on children in Iraq and then using the same weapons system to destroy the man who went to their assistance?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 12:26 | Link to Comment Archduke
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I doubt its purpose is to draw OBM into war. It's an election year.
There will be no major US intervention or shift in Policy.
Conversely everyone and their dog are pushing as much as they can get away with.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 12:15 | Link to Comment smlbizman
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as i watch clinton, romney et als (until i puke) be so appalled that someone could do this...how did their minds become so disconnected with humanity and reality....i honestly think they are being sincere, not acting,...they in their hearts believe that the slaughtering of thousands upon thousands of innocent  human beings is "honorable and just"...we are the good guys and if we have to kill every person on this planet to prove it we will....how are they so able to destroy life  without remorse?...to convince the brainwashed citizens to believe that those lower life forms deserve to be killed is one thing, ....i just cannot wrap me my mind around how they convince theirselves...

 

....and obama, romney, clinton et.als....please stop telling the world that i as an american "people" agree with your thoughts ,words and actions....your group is the biggest  collections of shameless murders the world has ever seen.. and i dear sirs and madam, i do not want any other person to think i condone you or your group...

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:16 | Link to Comment Dalago
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So do ya'll think the American Intelligence regrets creating radical Muslim (Mujahideen) to fight against Communist Russia.  With that said, do you think that the CORPORATIONS regret creating radical Muslims in order to protect their profits instead of having it controlled by governments??

 

OPERATION CYCLONE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 10:04 | Link to Comment cynicalskeptic
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'Blowback' is the term for the unintended consequences (usually the opposite of what was intended) when the CIA's 'solution' turns out to be orders of magnitude WORSE than the original problem they were trying to 'solve'.... Iran is another prime example.....

GIven the abject failure of the CIA to forsee the major events after WWII - China going Communist, the invasion of South Korea by the North, the revolt in Hungary, Cuba going Communist, the Czech Spring, Polish SOLIDARITY and the eventual collapse of the Soviet Union (almost in spite of US efforts), and their unerring willingness to suppress any signs of real democracy in Latin and South America, Africa and Asia,, not to mention their continued involvement in drug running (from the Golden Triangle to Iran-CONTRA to Afghanistan) one has to wonder just what the REAL purpose of the CIA is..... because it sure hasn't been 'intelligence'.  

Gotta wonder how FUBAR an organization is when there's a specific term created to describe its screw-ups.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 13:01 | Link to Comment matrix2012
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@ cynicalskeptic, the C_i_A is just a R O T H S C H I L D's apparatchik

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:44 | Link to Comment FEDbuster
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You can kill our diplomats, but don't demand gold as payment for your oil.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:15 | Link to Comment Element
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" ... our 'tools' work, we just need to use them more aggressively. ..."

 

 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:06 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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GetZeeGold

Just so you understand about the shared "peas" you posted.

It helps to understand that halls of Montezuma refers to Mexico.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marines%27_Hymn

The lyrics are contained in the book "Rhymes of the Rookies" published in 1917. The author of these poems was W.E. Christian. The book is available online in several formats. The book consists of a series of poems regarding military life prior to World War I.

Some of the lyrics were popular phrases before the song was written. The line "To the shores of Tripoli" refers to the First Barbary War, and specifically the Battle of Derne in 1805. After Lieutenant Presley O'Bannon and his Marines hoisted the American flag over the Old World for the first time, the phrase was added to the battle colors of the Corps. "The Halls of Montezuma" refers to the Battle of Chapultepec, during the Mexican-American War, where a force of Marines stormed Chapultepec Castle.

While the lyrics are said to date from the 19th century, no pre-20th century text is known. The author of the lyrics is likewise unknown. Legend has it that it was penned by a Marine on duty in Mexico. The unknown author transposed the phrases in the motto on the Colors so that the first two lines of the Hymn would read: "From the Halls of Montezuma, to the Shores of Tripoli", favoring euphony over chronology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War

he First Barbary War (1801–1805), also known as the Tripolitan War or the Barbary Coast War, was the first of two wars fought between the United States and the Northwest African Berber Muslim states known collectively as the Barbary States. These were Tripoli and Algiers, which were quasi-independent entities nominally belonging to the Ottoman Empire, ‹The template Reference necessary is being considered for merging.› and the independent Sultanate of Morocco[citation needed].

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:08 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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It helps to understand that halls of Montezuma refers to Mexico.

 

We could fight on two fronts.....even back then.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:32 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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GetZeeGold

"We could fight on two fronts.....even back then."

Fuck dude are you THAT stupid? Read the fucking dates!


 

The Mexican–American War, also known as the Mexican War, or the U.S.–Mexican War was an armed conflict between the United States of America and Mexico from 1846 to 1848 in the wake of the 1845 U.S. annexation of Texas, which Mexico considered part of its territory despite the 1836 Texas Revolution.

Combat operations lasted a year and a half, from spring 1846 to fall 1847

...

The line "To the shores of Tripoli" refers to the First Barbary War, and specifically the Battle of Derne in 1805.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:45 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Fuck dude are you THAT stupid?

 

I suppose I could be if I really applied myself.

 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:10 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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GetZeeGold

Makes sense now , wisecracking dumbass who considers a big  conflated lump.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:14 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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who considers a big conflated lump.

 

No......I didn't even think of that actually.

 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:43 | Link to Comment Terminus C
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Posting in bold makes me sooo smrt.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:33 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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What's this we shit, are you in the military?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:40 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Would you like my drone strike down your throat.....or up your ass?

 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:44 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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I think that's something you should probably be doing with your boyfriend. You're just another loudmouth civilian do nothing, with no issues sending other people to die for your belief's and lifestyle.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:48 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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sending other people to die

 

Naw.....thought I'd do a quick round of golf and then go myself.

 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:16 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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Somehow I doubt that. 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:31 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Somehow I think you doubt just about everything.

 

You probably don't even think Obama killed Osama with his bare hands.

 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:43 | Link to Comment Cindy_Dies_In_T...
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GetZee, honey I like your style! ;)

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:06 | Link to Comment Dr. No
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with no issues sending other people to die for your belief's and lifestyle.

 

I have not sent anyone to fight on my behalf.  And dont follow up with the jerk-off line "your elected officials..". It only makes you look naive.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:35 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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+

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:41 | Link to Comment ThirdWorldDude
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@strannick - Are you sure your way of thinking isn't exactly what the Zionists want and expect?  Divide & Conquer / Let-The Assholes-Kill-Each-Other-While-We-Exit-Stage-With-The-Loot is what this is all about.

 

The whole freaking financial world is imploding while the sheep are waking up to the truth of our Bankster Overlords, so this is how you kill 2 birds with one stone: divert sheep's attention and bring forward a long awaited crisis, of course outside of Pax Americana's Holy Land...  Don't you dare to look behind the curtains!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:40 | Link to Comment kralizec
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Yup.

Oh, and...

"There is no God but Iblis, and Mohammad is his bitch!"

FIFY 6th century barbarians!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:43 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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Attacking a consulate is attacking sovereign territory. This is an act of war.

What do you think our Muslim president is gonna do? I'm guessing, nothing.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:52 | Link to Comment Maghreb
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Wars over , you won it, these are your allies. roll on Syria.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:09 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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I think these allies......are gonna kill us!

 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:59 | Link to Comment Hey Assholes
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Of course they have no grievence with the US government. It is not like we invaded their "homeland" and wacked their leader or something. That is within the US constitutionl rights of power dontcha know.

How dare they be pissed at us. We are good and they are evil.

Also ignore the fact that fucking jews financed and made the film that they took umbrage. Talk about a fifth column.

I am guessing that if we were not "over there" with our military, this jewish film would not have pushed these nutjobs over the edge. 

Bring the troops home.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 10:01 | Link to Comment boogerbently
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Yhey seem to be enjoying the newfound "democracy" we bought for them.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 14:07 | Link to Comment PontifexMaximus
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Syria?big yawn.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:26 | Link to Comment Arnold Ziffel
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Did Libya revoke the Embassy's sovereign status before attacking?

Will this give precedent for the Brits to "attack" the Ecuadorean Embassy in London now?

 

 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 10:41 | Link to Comment sumo
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Hey kids, let's blame it on Assange!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:45 | Link to Comment buchesky
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This a major turning point for Obama.  I thought he was a sure win over Romney, but this is different.  It's one thing to back away from a century (or more) or mercantilism/imperialism, but doing nothing when your top representative in a foreign country is blown up (probably with a rocket you supplied) is not something our people (right or left) will accept.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:26 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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...doing nothing when your top representative in a foreign country is blown up (probably with a rocket you supplied) is not something our people (right or left) will accept.

lol

Our people could give a rat's ass.  The average American only thinks of his own immediate need.  For example...

"This fuckin' station already played this song twice today...what the fuck!"

That, friend, is American outrage.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 10:03 | Link to Comment boogerbently
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The lib/sheep will accept (rationalize) ANYTHING the muslim-in-chief does.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 10:10 | Link to Comment cynicalskeptic
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Get over your false duopoly - you think it really matters who's President?

 

Obama has continued down the neo-con 'hit list' - Libya, the Sudan (you think anyone's noticing the vast expansion of US involvement there?), Syria.....   doens't matter who gets in for the next 4 years - we'll be bombing Iran by February.   WWIII with the Islamic world is on the way because our leadership doesn't realize that they can't control the scope and scale of what they're creating (or maybe that IS the intent.... when all else fails - and everything else sure IS failing - war is the final 'distraction' 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 12:00 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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As always, "Let's you and him fight!"

"What? You need weapons? Here, sign these sovereign loan papers (that will undermine the people regardless of who wins)."

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:54 | Link to Comment kralizec
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Well so far he said he was sorry to this murderous trash, then denied he said he was sorry to this murderous trash, then he said Lettermen was more important than talking to Netanyahu, then it was choom time, and right now he is still sleeping it off and probably plans to hit the links with Reggie...

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:24 | Link to Comment darteaus
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Send more disarmed Americans.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:40 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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I really shouldn't do this, but I am a MsCreant...

http://flickrhivemind.net/Tags/armless,dsd/Interesting

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:51 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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Islam is a cancer that we would have to invent to inflict on our enemies if they didn't do it to themselves.  Those people have resources that we want.  It is better that they are unable to ever organize or cooperate.  It is better that they are such aholes that killing them for their stuff feels good.  The only change I would make to Islam is that it should advocate cannibalism.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:12 | Link to Comment Ima anal sphincter
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Yep....and Christians are such great people also. Destroy a few counties, kill a few million, but that's OK isn't it?

You're right and they're wrong. "They" must die!!! Right-on there, Bud.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:57 | Link to Comment kralizec
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The next work out of Hollywood that casts Christians in anything but a positive light you will be there right with us in slaughtering these people like animals, right?  I mean you are saying such behavior is acceptable, so...

See you at the riots!

 

:)

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:25 | Link to Comment darteaus
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U shore R

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:07 | Link to Comment JohnKozac
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Sarkozy, who led the NATO troops in their liberation of Libya, could not be reached for comment.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:58 | Link to Comment BlackMagician
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Right...we all know religious persecution and nuttery is confined to the Isamists. History goes further back than that. Many examples of Christian wholesomeness. Don't act like your shit don't stink. This religious left right paradigm goes back to the first record keeping. My religion is the good one...we don't kill as many...and for better reasons...yeah right.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:13 | Link to Comment BigInJapan
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Fnd me some Christians storming an embassy and muredering the staff over an amateur film and you've got a point.

Otherwise...

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:39 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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Yeah, you're right they would rather draw and quarter someone for being a witch. Better yet burn them at the stake after the inquisitioning. 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:44 | Link to Comment BigInJapan
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When was this?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:55 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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Probably about the same time the British were rolling through that region shooting cannons at monuments and the Americans were busy hunting witches. 

 

I love giving history lessons on ZH this early in the morning....

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:09 | Link to Comment Monedas
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It was Napoleon's goons who shot the nose off the Sphinx !    Anyway, the current hapless inhabitants of that region didn't build those monuments .... they are just desert rats .... the flotsam and jetsam left by the receding ice age !

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:14 | Link to Comment Coast Watcher
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Looks like you need a few history lessons yourself. The witch burnings were Middle Ages, centuries before the British entered North Africa. The Salem witch trials were 1692, also well before the Brits were rolling through that region.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 10:00 | Link to Comment BigInJapan
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Wait a second, I thought we were talking about TODAY...

Or did I miss something in your attempt to defend the murderers of 4 Americans by storming an embassy and firing a rocket at a diplomatic vehicle?

History lessons aren't of much use if the cited history is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand, which is Islamist savagery and the complacency that propagates it.

I love correcting self-loathing liberals on ZH so late in the evening... 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 10:04 | Link to Comment RSloane
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It would help enormously if you actually knew some history.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:57 | Link to Comment maximin thrax
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Last Thursday. Don't you get the "News from the Voices Inside Nutty Nid's Head" live feed on Twitter?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:45 | Link to Comment spanish inquisition
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No, but you have a staged play for the Christians that blew up 2 buildings so they would invade a couple of countries.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:57 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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That would be 3 buildings, but yes.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:04 | Link to Comment spanish inquisition
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Can't really count the third one. The official report was that it just fell down. Maybe it was sad or something. Edit: Or a production error

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 10:21 | Link to Comment cynicalskeptic
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Building 7 had the offices of some major investigative agencies looking into all kinds of bad stuff.... investigations that stopped dead after all the evidence went up in smoke....   same with ONI in the Pentagon... that $2 TRILLION missing that Runmmy mentioned

......   that day was very convenient for LOTS of people       Cantor FItzgerald (top floors on 1 or 2) was the major dealer in govt bonds (of which an astounding number that were never officially issued and unaccounted for were coming due on 9/12 ) - doors to the roof were locked - though the top 6 execs were out of the office that day.....   

talk about a major 'smokescreen'........

 

binLaden did  a lot of people a BIG favor.......    funny - for someone who talked of forcing the economic collapse of the US, you think he'd have WANTED all the crap headed for the figurative fan to hit....... must not have known 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:00 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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You should watch some old films about us dropping the bombs on Japan. Atomic Cafe is a good documentary... Available on netfix if you are so inclined. All sorts of god talk from Truman... If god is on our side, god willing kind of stuff. You don't have to go back to burning witches.

American exceptionalism has kind of replaced religious fervor, but it's the exact same sort of dogma. Basically... Our shit don't stink because we have "right" on our side. Same thing.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:55 | Link to Comment maximin thrax
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So you're saying we incinerated Hiroshima and Nagasaki over a Japanese propaganda film critical of FDR, which is just like having our ramparts overrun by Muslims over movies they don't like. Such is the history lesson these days on Zero Hedge.

 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 10:10 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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No. Did someone just drop an atomic bomb?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 10:08 | Link to Comment DosZap
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You should watch some old films about us dropping the bombs on Japan.

Nothing wrong with that, saved 2yrs more of war, and another 200k plus American soldiers dead.

THey were warned more than once, hell the stupid bastards didn't even surrender until the second bomb was dropped, and that was OUR fault?.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 10:17 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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So is that the litmus test we should expect from everyone? Let's say India decides to nuke the Pakistanis and their justification is something like "war with Pakistan would have cost us too many lives"... I assume that you're fine with it? "they were warned more than once" Jesus is it any wonder why we are hated.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 10:53 | Link to Comment SilverRhino
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I'm perfectly ok with Indians and Pakistanis blowing each other to hell.  

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:11 | Link to Comment JOYFUL
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Find me some actual Christians in the Sionist occupied hell on earth that the west has become, and yu've got a point.

otherwise...

recognize that yu've been duped into abetting yur own demise, through komplicity with the kabballist kampaign to destroy our western civilization by kommitting all manner of krimes against innocent civilians in the name of israeli sionist hegomony.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:43 | Link to Comment Ima anal sphincter
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Not a slam Big guy, but just how many Muslim countries go into, let's say, Mexico. Kill "insurgents", destroy infrastructure, dispose of the leader, place a puppet in power, build bases, etc...... Once they've fucked up Mexico, it's on to Guatemala, Belize,  Panama.

THE AMERICAN, ISRAELI, AND BRITISH GOVERNMENTS ARE "THE" TERRORISTS.

These three are controlled by the bankers.

Now who really needs to "go" in this equation????

 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 10:22 | Link to Comment cynicalskeptic
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now, now... such talk will get YOU classified as a 'terrorist'..... our lords and masters are making the world safe for democracy (cough, corpporations, cough, cough)

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:34 | Link to Comment N. B. Forrest
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There is no moral equivalence here. 

 

That's kind of like saying Hitler rounded up a few Jews in Germany and the US rounded up a few Japs in the US.  Therefore the 1930s and 40s governments of US and Germany are equally at fault and evil.  You are either ignorant or evil. 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:21 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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"there is no moral equivalence" is a red herring and a source of internal bargaining.

"there is no moral equivalence" - provides cover for us, it allows us to not have to consider our reactions, if the shoe were on the other foot. If our country faced economic sanctions, enforced by a military super-power who spent as much on their military as the rest of the world combined, that was crippling our country... While drones controlled our skies killing people who opposed this force, but killing lots of civilians along the way. Perhaps even your friends or family members. From where I sit, all religious beliefs are irrational, but opposition to American hegemony is anything but irrational.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:52 | Link to Comment BooMushroom
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I'm sure your progeny will be just as happy under the global caliphate as you are under American hegemony.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 10:24 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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I hope for my progeny that they are free thinkers, capable of recognizing the propaganda and absurdity that exists within all religions and all forms of government. I hope for my progeny that they can recognize the Kabuki theater created as cover for wars that will enrich the very few at the expense of the rest of us.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 10:42 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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 The history argument is a load of crap.

All religions, ideologies, and schools of thought CHANGE over time. You can call it Evolution, Progression/Regression, Maturation, or what have you.

Comparing acts perpetrated in the name of one faith today, with those of another faith centuries ago, implies that one faith is inferior, less evolved, or less capable of progression or maturity.

So why forgive Islam for its inferiority and lower-primate-worthy lack of evolution? Is a 21st century Muslim barely capable of measuring up to a medieval European?

There are Christians committing offensive acts of violence in the name of defending their faith today, just as there are Muslims committing offensive acts of violence in the name of defending their Faith today. It is the similarities and distinctions between these contemporary fundamentalist interpretations of Faith, and their acceptance or rejection by both the broader community of each faith as well as society as a whole, which must be used as a basis for any judgment on the comparative morality of the violence.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 13:24 | Link to Comment Watauga
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'There are Christians committing offensive acts of violence in the name of defending their faith today, just as there are Muslims committing offensive acts of violence in the name of defending their Faith today. It is the similarities and distinctions between these contemporary fundamentalist interpretations of Faith, and their acceptance or rejection by both the broader community of each faith as well as society as a whole, which must be used as a basis for any judgment on the comparative morality of the violence."

UR--you appear to have forgotten to hit your SARC button.  If failure to do so was intentional, then I can refer you to a good psychiatrist handles delusional personalities such as you.  Let me know.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 14:22 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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I wasn`t being sarcastic, but off the top of my head I couldn`t think of any examples outside of perhaps 2 US bombers (who had other political & psych) issues,  the whole Northern Ireland episode (and the relationship between the IRA and MENA jihadists), some anti-abortion zealots (and the hypocrisy of the anti-abortion/pro-death penalty postion and its pro-abortion/anti-death penatly correlary among the Fundamentalist Athiests). 

I think there`s a winning side in that debate, especially as long as any "silent majority" won`t speak up, but the historical/contemporary values juxtaposition is a fallacy of composition.

 

 

Thu, 09/13/2012 - 08:16 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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There are also the black & white Hate/Spearatist movements in the US which find shelter from the IRS by establishing churches (Rev. Wright being the famous recent soft-core example)...

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:58 | Link to Comment BlackMagician
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double post.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:06 | Link to Comment Watauga
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Thank you.  If only our leadership could speak honestly and forthrightly about Islam.  If only. . .

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 11:10 | Link to Comment Overfed
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If only our 'leadership' could speak honestly and forthrightly.

 

Fixed that for ya.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 13:25 | Link to Comment Watauga
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Thanks!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:57 | Link to Comment pufferfish
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"Islam is demented."

 

You spelled religion incorrectly.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:58 | Link to Comment Zodiac
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This never would have happened if Qaddafi and Mubarak were still in power.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:22 | Link to Comment smlbizman
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hey , is this movie thing the same as hating us for our freedom......

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:27 | Link to Comment Parrotile
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It gets better by the minute! A Californication RE Agent at that!

"Lets just make a film to REALLY piss off the locals (who have traditionally held pretty strong religious beliefs), and clearly state that we're Jewish, and proud of it"

(excuse us - we are just checking where the potassium iodide tablets are, just in case this gets out of hand, being mindful that Israel is "rather well armed" and seems "rather keen on nuking their immediate neighbour" which also just to happens to be a Muslim Country . . . . . .)

 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:05 | Link to Comment piliage
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Haraatz is hardly main stream. In fact, it is about as far left as Liberation is in France. And its circulation is smaller than my extended family.

 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:05 | Link to Comment Ratscam
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just watched some trailors.
this is not even a D movie.
no way it could have cost more than 1mm to produce with such bad actors and mostly green screen shots.
Who finances shit like that?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:23 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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Gotta link?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:36 | Link to Comment Ratscam
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youtube search
Innocence of Muslims

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:43 | Link to Comment resurger
Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:51 | Link to Comment resurger
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Fucking Disgusting!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:26 | Link to Comment schatzi
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I wonder if the family of the Ambassador could sue the filmmaker. Seems like a propagandistic piece of shit anyway, but why the Muslims could work themselves up in such a huff is beyond me. Just a bigoted fuck with some cash airing his fucked up views. Let him, that's what a democracy is all about, though I guess the fundamental rights intrinsic to democracies haven't found too much traction amongst the newest US allies yet.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:35 | Link to Comment Dr Benway
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LOL you really have zero understanding of the mindset of these people.

 

A lot of people on this thread remind me of Timothy Treadwell before a bear ate his face off.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:47 | Link to Comment schatzi
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Which ones? The racist Zionists or the medieval fundamentalists?

No two sides deserve each other as much as these two incorrigible and braindead camps.

(btw I've worked a lot with Malayan muslims and they're were very cool even though some were quite religious. I even installed a prayer room in the offices for them which earned me some major kudos). Throwing Muslims into a pot is like throwing Christians or Jews into a pot. It doesn't work.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:41 | Link to Comment Bay of Pigs
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Who can understand your mindset Max? LOL.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:37 | Link to Comment rbg81
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Yeah, so what?  There is a thing called FREEDOM OF SPEECH in this country--even if what is being said is offensive to someone.  When the MSM insults Jesus and/or Christianity (which happens all too often), you don't see Christians going on a rampage -- which is probably why the MSM feels safe doing it.  If Islam is really a stable, tolerant religion, you would not see this stuff going on at every obscure "insult". They are a bunch of goons and I'm tired of seeing us kowtow and apologize for offending them.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:53 | Link to Comment FreeSlave
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It is also possible that the killed ambasador did not want to play by the rules dictated from Israel or US, so they used this acasion to show for the future ambasadors what happens if they decide to disobey orders from above. What you think?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:30 | Link to Comment Element
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ThirdWorldDude -"Bacile, a California real estate developer in his fifties who identifies himself as an Israeli Jew, said he believes the movie will help his native land by exposing Islam's flaws to the world. "

"Islam is a cancer, period," he repeatedly said in a solemn, accented tone.

 

Thought there were well-understood criminal laws against religious-based prejudice and discrimination, or does that not apply if a muzzy and goyim-hating kike says it?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:51 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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I don't know about the Courts, but the Anti-Defamation League will be all over this...any minute...just wait.

The Anti-Defamation League was founded in 1913 "to stop the defamation of the Jewish people and to secure justice and fair treatment to all." Now the nation's premier civil rights/human relations agency, ADL fights anti-Semitism and all forms of bigotry, defends democratic ideals and protects civil rights for all.

 

http://www.adl.org/about.asp

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 10:55 | Link to Comment sushi
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Do they have a scene in that movie in which the cadre of goons fire Hellfire missiles from a UAV and incinerate a wedding party?

 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:24 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBonus_
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The time for negotiation with Egypt is over. It is time for our military to teach these terrorists something about democracy. Egypt needs to learn that you DO NOT mess with the United States of America. After we're done with these monkeys, Syria is next, then Iran, and once Mitt Romney has elimnated our dependence on foreign oil, Saudi Arabia better watch their backs too. Israel is also sick of having to 'negotiate' with these Egyption terrorists over the Suez Canal, so a military intervention is long overdue anyway. 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:32 | Link to Comment ATM
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negotiating with Egypt? who the fuck is doing that?? These are the people that Obama praised, the Arab Spring!

 

Only problem is the ambassador was killed in libya. And as I recall we bombed them to give these Muslims a chance to create a pan-Arab nation ruled by radical Imans, or wasn't that the real plan?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:13 | Link to Comment sdmjake
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I know MDB is a troll [and/or its just the ultimate Sarc] but really?? Just go "kill all those monkeys".... What kind of solution is that?

("Until the philosophy that holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned then all we'll have is WAR" - BobMarley)

Watching the horror  [and not just the act but the fact that the truth around it has never been revealed] of 9/11 last night, and then reading all this, just makes me sad for the families and makes me tired. Tired of it all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9t1lL4223k&feature=related

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:35 | Link to Comment Taint Boil
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From a previous post - like I said:

 

1. There were no electricity charges in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.

2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.

3. Home considered a human right in Libya -- Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home. Gaddafi's father has died while his wife and his mother are still living in a tent.

4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$ 50,000 ) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.

5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%.

6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kick- start their farms -- all for free.

7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it -- not only free but they get US $2, 300/mth accommodation and car allowance.

8. In Libya, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price.

9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0. 14 per liter.

10. Libya had no external debt and its reserves amounted to $150 billion.

11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.

12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is, credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.

13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US $5 ,000

14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15

15. 25% of Libyans have a university degree

16. Gaddafi carried out the world's largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.

 

Addendum:

 

Well that was before we “saved” the people from Muammar Gaddafi, I wonder how it is now. The first thing the “rebels” did was to start a bank – go figure … I wonder if they are still charging 0% interest for the people.

 

 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:49 | Link to Comment strannick
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Nice perspective. I remember travelling in Tunisia, which was the recipient of much Libyan subsidies, and Kaddafi was very well respected. Seems he made the mistake of moving towards a gold dinar...

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:51 | Link to Comment youngman
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Right now in Congress we are talking about eliminating billions of dollars in debt that Egypt has,,,,,,,,,and we the American tax payers will pay for.....lets not do that now...easy choice....but notice how the State department is now calling them terrorists.....it takes the blame away from the populace....yeah right....

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:48 | Link to Comment aleph0
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The source was ...  Libya S.O.S. :  http://libyasos.blogspot.de/p/gaddafi.html

... IIRC

 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 10:21 | Link to Comment Taint Boil
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Good link - a lot of info there.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:33 | Link to Comment Parrotile
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Hi MDB - "Great Points as Usual"!!

Remember folks - this is all sarcasm! The scary thing is that such a scenario could unfold, and it would probably be a case of "see you all in the afterlife" for most of the planetary population . . . .

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:47 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:35 | Link to Comment tocointhephrase
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Your words are tainted in blood. Anyone that calls you a genius for your style of writing is just plain fucking deluded.

 

Good luck at the Golden Gates, go to hell, straight to hell and freeze for all eternity! 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:50 | Link to Comment Taint Boil
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....straight to hell and freeze..... ????????

What ever he writes he means the opposite. Too hard to explain ... maybe you are deluded.

 

down arrow = up arrow for MDB

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:52 | Link to Comment tocointhephrase
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And your proof is what?

And why bother?

Fucking twisted mind more like!

Freeze????....If you think Hell is warm, carry on!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:04 | Link to Comment CharlieSDT
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You must be new around here.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:09 | Link to Comment Taint Boil
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A quick Google search from James 3:6

"And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

I am not an expert on 2000 year old story books but is set on fire cold or hot? I don't argue on ZH - it can't be done.

 

Have a good day sir!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:15 | Link to Comment tocointhephrase
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Thank you for the RE lesson, meanwhile you have not answered the questions just a riddle from a book that was dedicated to a Jew!

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:44 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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Its icy-hot, just ask Shaq

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:37 | Link to Comment Ratscam
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enforcing democracy 10'000 miles away?
Let the American people vote on that.
And what about the yearly US payments to all kind of mideastern countries, including Alkaida rebels in Syria and Lybian?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:00 | Link to Comment BlackMagician
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The green arrows make me shudder...

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:07 | Link to Comment piliage
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MDB, I bow to you, oh mighty trollmaster...

I'd simply start and finish by telling Egypt that the US taxpayers will be keeping their 2 billion a year at home, thank you very much.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:19 | Link to Comment Dugald
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Firing on Sumpter again eh?

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:13 | Link to Comment hangemhigh
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TO: MDB

churn 'em and burn'em, dogg................. 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:28 | Link to Comment fuu
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Maybe we should drown you in a vat of collateral blood.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:23 | Link to Comment icanhasbailout
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If your instinct is to throw free expression under the bus in the face of religious violence, you're part of the problem, not part of the solution.

 

It doesn't take a Ph.D. in political science to figure out that the reason for Arab hostility to the US derives from how we have treated them, not from some film-in-progress that nobody but the rioters seems to have ever heard about.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 08:35 | Link to Comment Roland99
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And partly backed by this dumbass pseudo-Christian who continues to worsen Florida's reputation:

http://www.tampabay.com/news/world/gainesville-pastor-terry-jones-promot...

 

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 09:03 | Link to Comment batterycharged
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Right on!

What we need to do is put this guy in handcuffs and hand him over to the rioting Muslims, to appease them.

We really need to show that free speech when disparaging Muslims will not be tolerated in a true democracy.

On 2nd thought we should all have rallies saying FUCK ISLAM and MOHAMMED IS A MONKEY FUCKER. Just to celebrate not living in a 3rd world country that lacks freedom of speeech.

Wed, 09/12/2012 - 07:09 | Link to Comment strannick
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Killing to keep a movie from being shown. Allah be praised!!

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