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US Citizens Dump Stocks And Precious Metals To Afford Obamacare

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After some initial confusion in stocks (though Precious Metals and Treasuries were convinced) equities are now down markedly (with Hospitals holding up while Managed Care is down) but it seems that US citizen/investors are selling down their gold, silver, and stocks to 'save up' for the new Obamacare tax...

Gold and Silver plunge...

and now stocks too...

and it seems they are selling their cars too (and deciding to cut back on heating perhaps) as WTI is crashing too...

Charts: Bloomberg


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Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:42 | 2568554 Squishi
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fairness is against nature!

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:43 | 2568569 CURWAR2012
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Forced collectivism is unnatural

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:44 | 2568595 SilverTree
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So whats next?

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:46 | 2568616 veyron
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If you followed the chat last week, I recommended CYH and THC.  Now's time to take profits ...

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:48 | 2568632 MillionDollarBonus_
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Behind the ranting of hyperventilating doomer libertarians, many people are sitting quietly behind their screens with a wry grin on their faces (myself included). Libertarians can cry all they want, but today is a victory for intellectuals and visionary social scholars. Soon, criticizing the healthcare bill will be invoke the same reaction by average Americans that criticizing social security or the minimum wage invoke today. This law is here to stay, and whiny libertarians better get used to it. 

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:50 | 2568660 fonzannoon
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I keep waiting for you to cave in MDB and just cry out that you are just a sarcastic dude having some fun. If this did not make you cry uncle maybe you are the real deal.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:56 | 2568726 camaro68ss
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I remember the day when in america, men were free

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:02 | 2568763 Precious
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"wry grin".  What a ludicrous piece of incredulous shit.  Take your Hemmingway adjectives over to HuffPost, pervert.  They're not accepted here.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:41 | 2569124 11b40
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Please advise just who set you up to decide what is accepted here?

Even dimwits who don't get the sarcasm are obviously accepted here. ;-)

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:54 | 2569207 Chuck Walla
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Even dimwits who don't get the sarcasm are obviously accepted here. ;-)


He's not being sarcastic, he actually believes this shit. Thats why he works for OFA and Bold Progressive. He actually thinks this stupid shit will cause people to embrace our fresh, articulate, Kenyan Moon Cricket. 

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 13:14 | 2569754 Roger O. Thornhill
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MDB is always trolling - he always be trolling!

What is funny is fixing healthcare was really simple - allow individuals to buy in groups. The individual gets killed because they are out there alone without a group to bargain. I joined a group of small business owners and we get a cheaper negotiated rate on whatever plan we choose. It would have taken about 10 pages for congress to authorize that - but the insurance co's, big pharma hated it, plus unions wouldn't get their 'cut' of the graft.

What we got instead were big unions and big pharma colluding with statists politicians and, well, we got this ridiculous, unworkable, healthcare disaster.

And just in time! As we (as a nation) go into debt destruction overdrive!

Enjoy the momentum (off the cliff).

Sat, 06/30/2012 - 00:45 | 2575439 MeelionDollerBogus
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fuck. You are dim.

MDB has posted with bold italics and keyword phrases enough to hint to the actual intellectual elite here what his real deal is. You missed it, now you look like a tard.

Come on. My very name & icon have a purpose only in mocking MDB and even I get that it's a mockery of a satire of Poe's Law.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:08 | 2568866 duo
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it's hare to believe he's not being sarcastic.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:28 | 2569011 Precious
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He's not kidding.  He's just delusional.  He's waiting for his nurse to stick her union-provided taser up his ass today.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:50 | 2568669 i_fly_me
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Thanks for the comic-relief MDB ... you are doing God's work.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:17 | 2568946 Spastica Rex
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If God is an absolute bore.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:57 | 2569221 Chuck Walla
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If God is an absolute bore.


God is laughing the hardest. How can such stupid creatures fuck up such a beautufl thing?  No wonder he gave us free will, look what we do with it. Elect our tyrannts based on how much of other peoples money they'll give us.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 21:15 | 2571848 11b40
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Well, if you really want to drag God into the healthcae debate, if God is laughing, he is probably laughing at you.

 "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's" (Matthew 22:21).

Jesus had quite a lot to say about caring for the poor, chalenges of the wealthy making it to Heaven, and lest I changers.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:56 | 2568723 Precious
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The individual mandate is a "tax" about as much as an AK-47 is "free speech".

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:21 | 2568977 johnQpublic
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hold on now....

no one, and i mean no one, has ever impinged upon my right to freedom of speech when i was carrying an ak-47

i give to you that carrying a firearm IS freedom(of speech)

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:26 | 2569023 Precious
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You should be on the Supreme Court.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:57 | 2568740 Precious
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MDB, your bullshit flies best on HuffPost.  That's what it's for.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:58 | 2568755 Zero Govt
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well MDB us "hyperventilating doomer libertarians" contrast nicely with the bankrupt desperate Statist tossers on their last legs pretending their Empire of Idiots is still afloat

wouldn't want reality to enter your tiny nut mate, keep believing you're not a zombie falling off a cliff and have a future

bye bye

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:17 | 2568944 Dexter Morgan
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Don't feed the trolls.

Sat, 06/30/2012 - 00:42 | 2575436 MeelionDollerBogus
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like Gremlins after midnight? Sorry, I got a brand new jumbo bag of Troll-Feed(tm) and I can't return it to the store...

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:17 | 2568945 Dexter Morgan
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Don't feed the trolls.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:47 | 2569164 balz
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This is probably the first and last time, but I agree with you MillionDollarBonus_.

US Health Care was pathetic, worst than each and every other developed country, and twice as expensive.

It was time to do something.

Obama isn't perfect, but you don't have a civilization if you let people die because they are too poor to get health care.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:07 | 2569328 NidStyles
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Theft and coercion is not civilized. If I can not openly discuss the opposition of the Obama healthcare plan without being labelled a racist, it isn't civilized. You're just another idiotic statist that doesn't understand anything about the real world. 

Sat, 06/30/2012 - 00:42 | 2575434 MeelionDollerBogus
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So you're smugly happy that poor people will pay even more for health insurance that takes money yet delivers nothing due to "pre-existing conditions" and even more unnecessary deaths and pro-longed illness?

Just copy Canada, you idiots.

We have universal health-CARE. We have tax-free investing accounts. What the hell is wrong with you people?

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:47 | 2568637 HoofHearted
HoofHearted's picture this shitstorm, the Tylers can still make us smile about it. Thank you. See you in the breadlines.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:47 | 2568628 g speed
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one time tax on 401K  -- 

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:04 | 2568812 asteroids
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You will now be taxed to DEATH. The POTUS and SCOTUS said so. You Americans are sooo screwed and you don't even know it yet.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:16 | 2569384 resaci
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Get off your asses and vote. Hold your nose and vote republican for the House and Senate. All democrates must go! President won't matter except maybe the VP when he votes in the senate to dismantle this TAX. If it will make you feel better write in Ron Paul for President.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:48 | 2568644 Stoploss
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Save up?

For Obama tax care??

No, you mean PACK UP.

The selling is to PACK UP AND GET THE FUCK OUT.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:57 | 2569234 HungrySeagull
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This is not saving for Obamacare, this is a statement that they are not gonna do it anymore.

Now the physical Gold and Silver, they are gonna be sorry and run back to buy.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 13:00 | 2569702 RockyRacoon
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I can't figger out the article title. "US Citizens Dump Stocks And Precious Metals To Afford Obamacare"

What?  I don't own stocks, I ain't selling gold or silver, Obama Care is a blip.  What's with all the hyperventilating?   So, the politicians have driven over the populace and are now in reverse to back over the body.  What's so new about that?

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:59 | 2569242 beachdude
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And the sheeple sell their hard assets, real actual physical things, in exchange for little green pieces of paper.

Fine with me... I'm buying.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:18 | 2569403 Fred Hayek
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Does Tyler or anyone else believe that there's anyone actually selling their gold right now?  A JP Morgan powered HFT algo dumping naked shorts on the Comex does not constitute anyone actually selling gold.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:42 | 2568566 VonManstein
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its getting hot out here

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:43 | 2568583 fonzannoon
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So we just guaranteed we would blow out the national debt. Yes sell those metals.

What the hell is going on?

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:48 | 2568612 VonManstein
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just another day in life of a PM buyer. Who are these sellers? pffff who knows but its not physical selling thats for sure. We may reverse of december lows yet anyway, gonna be an interesting day

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:53 | 2568700 g speed
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No need to hold PMs for hedge on future health care costs-- future is assured-- PMs selling to avoid tax on 401K that is sure to come-- sell it and get FRNs --blow them in casino on insurance company paper and realize short term growth-- bullish

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:43 | 2568574 Everybodys All ...
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This could easily cause the markets to tank... small business is dead with this kind of taxation.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:47 | 2568629 HelluvaEngineer
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Anyone trying to make it in small business at this point is just tilting at windmills.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:49 | 2568634 dwdollar
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Well... I'm not sure they were making money before this (with current taxes, permits, fees, etc.), but this will surely be a death nail for some.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:39 | 2569555 noses
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Could you explain why Denmark is still alive and kicking?

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:43 | 2568577 sudzee
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Everything paper finding is true value.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:43 | 2568582 YellowShark
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What the hell are you talking about, you seriously think that's the reason PM's are dropping right now? That's a pretty idiotic conclusion.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:48 | 2568641 FieldingMellish
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Yes. Its clearly chart painting and stop hunting by paper players going into the London close. Its been happening for several days now, I don't see why people can't see it.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:48 | 2569168 11b40
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Because the fringe only sees what they want to see. 

This is one of the more pandering, misleading headlines I have had the pleasure of seeing lately.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:00 | 2568771 Mr Kurtz
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Could not agree more. It is a ridiculous stretch to try and link the two.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:44 | 2568584 TMT
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Fuck Obama.

Fuck Roberts.

Fuck Bush.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:46 | 2568619 Vincent Vega
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Don't forget Bernanke.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:30 | 2569044 dannyboy
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I think the bernank is a given at this point.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:49 | 2568649 Stuart
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we're all fucked.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:55 | 2568708 gdogus erectus
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Thats what us old timers that still like bush do.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:43 | 2569136 crawldaddy
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dude, keep your fantasies to yourself,  but as they say, not that there is anything wrong with that..


I know those 3 arent in my top 4 billion tho

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:44 | 2568590 ReallySparky
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Great Title for article.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:44 | 2568594 CURWAR2012
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The weak will sell their PMs, the strong will hold for the longer view that FIAT IS DYING. Obamacare just added 1.2 trillion to the US debt for 10 years!

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:11 | 2568888 Think for yourself
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yeah but what's a trillion or two between friends?

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:45 | 2568610 Intelligence_In...
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This is highway robbery, the liberals have gone too far this time.  Socialist are going to destroy this country.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:50 | 2568668 billwilson
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Huh? Socialized health care is better cheaper and more equitable! ... plus better for companies (level playing filed) and for employee mobility (workers can chnage jobs without worrying about health care). Only a total fool would support the US private care system.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:55 | 2568710 dwdollar
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Changing jobs....


Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:39 | 2569091 Paul Atreides
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I walk in with my OHIP card to any medical facility in Canada and get whatever medical services I need (minus perscriptions, dental, eye and foot) and it costs me peanuts in yearly taxes. It's not the fastest in the world, its not the best in the world but you can be damn sure that if I am sick or in need of medical attention it gets taken care and there is no $20,000 bill once I am released. EVERYONE is covered.



Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:00 | 2569267 HungrySeagull
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I grow tired of how the Hospitals themselves are bleeding. That too shall be history.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:26 | 2569485 amadeusb4
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But Canadian employment suffers by not having an army of insurance paper pushers not to mention executive bonuses that trickle down creating additional jobs. /sarc

My 1 month old daughter got RSV. A week in the hospital with time in the ICU cost over $50,000!!! This on top of bills for the birth which being a pretty standard affair only cost about $10,000. Insurance should have topped out at $4,000 out of pocket max BUT, and this is the funny part I'm sure you'll laugh, OUT OF POCKET doesn't mean what you think it means. For example, you have to cover your deductible and your copays and oh drugs don't count against any of these expenses. The birth was charged to the mother so those expenses don't go towards the out of pocket max for the baby. After all is said and done, and she's not even 4 months yet, so you can be sure not all is said and done when insurance is concerned, this was several thousand dollars OVER the stated out of pocket maximum.

When my wife and I had our first baby, our daughter is 3 years old now, because my wife was covered by her employer and I put her on my policy as well, it took almost a A YEAR to resolve all expenses for the birth because BOTH insurance companies pointed fingers at each other when it came time to pay. No kidding. When you have LESS coverage, it is actually easier to resolve claims. Nobody had a problem resolving who the primary insurance was BEFORE the birth but suddenly the primary insurance acted like they were secondary when it came time to pay and in the meantime hospitals and doctors are sending collectors after YOU because while I have TWO insurance policies, neither will pay out. Trust me, had I paid those bills, it would have been the end of that and I never would have seen my money again.


Thu, 06/28/2012 - 16:39 | 2570973 Gift Whores
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I had to look on my 3rd monitor for the end of your ha ha's.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:55 | 2568724 Vincent Vega
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Better and cheaper? For who?

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:05 | 2568820 TMT
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Fuck off statist.  You have no idea what you're talking about.  Check out the healthcare system in the UK, then get back to us.  You fucking idiot.  Pay for your own shit; it's not my fucking responsibility to take care of you.  Fuck off.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:20 | 2568967 Precious
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C'mon. Let him enjoy his fantasy about American healthcare, the most expensive and not even in the top 40 in the world.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:24 | 2569008 Think for yourself
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I'm anti-statist but pro-universal healthcare; the portion of my taxes (back when I still paid some) that went to socialized healthcare did not cause me any concern. This is about everybody's quality of life, not little pieces of paper and virtual numbers. A humane universal healthcare system, even if it is slightly less efficient on a case-by-case basis, is leagues beyond an individualized private system in terms of benefit to society, which comes straight back to every individual within it - after all it's the environment we're immersed in for every moment of our life. 

It's alright to be anti-statist, but for the right reasons. Yours lack foresight and systemic thinking, while being egoistical and conceited. That is being part of the problem, not of the solution.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:38 | 2569100 TMT
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"I'm anti-statist but pro-universal healthcare"

Read that 10 times out loud, then maybe you'll realize how fucking absurd that sounds.  You're a statist if you're for socialized medicine.


Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:46 | 2569132 Think for yourself
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This is a very clearly defined black and white picture you've got there. Does it come in paint-by-numbers?

What I'm saying is that I would have the common human decency to opt-in into taxes that would go into a universal healthcare program to help you if you had a genuine need for it - even if you weren't able or willing to contribute to it. You could keep being a douche and I would still do so as long as it did not radically affect my lifestyle (for instance, I would be perfectly comfortable with something on the order 10% of my salary, 30%, not so much).

I, for one, understand enough about the situation that I would actually hold out a hand for you when life - or the system - tries to smash your face in. 

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:53 | 2569194 TMT
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That's what charity is for.  Good for you for being generous.  But the government is not a charity and it's not there to provide everything to everyone.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:05 | 2569309 Think for yourself
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There you go. At least now we speak the same language. I understand your point. But while it exists - and especially as long as its power is properly circumscribed - government would be as good as any other well-overseen non-profit to coordinate such a kind of universal healthcare program.

This is not a black-and-white world we live in. Evil is rampant, corrupting the institutions of society. Yet well-meaning people also get in, and try to divert the flow of energy into more productive ends. Better spend the taxes - whether they're ill-gotten or not - on universal healthcare than on war and destruction.

By the way, I'm not saying this is what Obama-care is. It's a fascist measure for forcing the government and the people into consuming services from the privatized, for profit system. I was not praising it but rather talking about a true universal system like many countries in the world currently manage, in varying degrees of success, most of them quite satisfying.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:07 | 2569314 Paul Atreides
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Universal healthcare is not a charity it is a right to life and promotes a productive, happy and healthier society. I pay may taxes for healthcare and I am happy to continue doing so because I know that it creates a better society for us all. If you remove the bankers and the insurnace companies it is a great system.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:57 | 2569553 Paul Atreides
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Playing asshole and digging up a nasty MSM article from 3+ years ago in an attempt to counter balance the millions and millions of people who have had their lives saved, illnesses cured and diseases treated by doctors and nurses only paints you as a hateful bulllshit spewing troll that has no interest in bettering humanity.

I have volunteered over 100 hours to my local hospitals ER over the course of 2 years to assist in the quality of care of Ontario hospitals. Cleaning shit and puked stained beds, re-stocking bandages and cast carts, helping family members find their loved ones all without a thought of a reward or recognition. What have you done for your community or society?

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 13:16 | 2569768 TMT
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Let me see if I understand your tortured logic - since I don't want to be forced (and if I don't comply I go to jail) to pay for other's healthcare then I have no interest in bettering humanity.  Makes sense.

BTW you can find thousands of articles about how bad socialized medicine is.  It kills the quality of care, kills our financial health, and kills our freedoms.


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Sat, 06/30/2012 - 00:36 | 2575427 MeelionDollerBogus
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Bottom line is that every nation using single-payer healthcare is healthier than the USA which refuses single-payer healthcare. It's a fact and you know it.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 14:51 | 2570281 YellowShark
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How about this: you take your shit, and move into the woods, and live off the land, like fucking Minecraft... smelt your own pickaxe,grow your own wheat, and GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY POCKET. I'm tired of paying for assholes like you to have roads and bridges and internet and firefighters and police and soldiers, while you ENDLESSLY BITCH ABOUT HOW EVERYONE ELSE IS ROBBING YOU. Like it or not, you're sucking off the very system you condemn. Grow the fuck up. You think this shit comes for free? Move to fucking Somalia.

Sat, 06/30/2012 - 00:35 | 2575426 MeelionDollerBogus
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I am ALSO anti-statist pro-universal-healthcare.

It's simple: the state need not be involved and you need not contaminate any region, area, nation, in which I reside which WILL Have single-payer healthcare.

You're unwanted. You're welcome to die all by yourself with unaffordable health INSURANCE while everyone along with me gets affordable health CARE - not insurance - and survives very well. Cheaper costs, faster turn-around times, less sick-days, better economy. Facts are facts.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:45 | 2569150 MachoMan
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Do you think healthcare professionals treat everyone that comes in the door the same?  What about their staff?  Good luck with your thesis...  it's never been that way and never will.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:51 | 2569186 Think for yourself
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I'm Canadian. I wouldn't change our healthcare system to the US style if you paid me 1000 oz Au per year to do it. There's corruption and systemic innefficiencies in it, for sure, while lobbyists are trying to pervert it as much as they can - but the inconvenience of it doesn't come close to the inhumaneness of the US system.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 13:53 | 2569980 Moe Howard
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At $1500 an toz for Au, that would be $1,500,000. A year.

Correct me if I am wrong.

You must be Canadian, and you are an idiot for sure.


Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:42 | 2569569 delacroix
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I read a study, that stated that only 13 cents out of each healthcare dollar, actually went to treatment. the rest must go to quality of life issues, for the providers.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:23 | 2569005 LTJ
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Yep - that's why so many people come to the USA for operations and other health issues.  We have the best health care system in the world.


We don't have to wait 6 months for tests and some procedures.


We can find primary care doctors in days - probably not for much longer now with the Obama Tax - other countries takes months.


And it is not cheap!!!!!

Sat, 06/30/2012 - 00:33 | 2575423 MeelionDollerBogus
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you mean "that's why the USA is trying to poach so many doctors from Canada" and "that's why so many Americans are faking Canadian Health Cards to get health care IN CANADA"

You're welcome for the repairs to your presentation of retardation. No actual repairs to your actual retardation are in any way guaranteed nor were attempted.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:54 | 2569206 11b40
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Yo!  Bill!  Don't try to confuse the fringe with facts.  Their blood pressure is dangerously high today.

Never mind that the healthcare system is already socialized....jsut in the most outlandish and expensive way possible.  Don't think so?  Just go to the emergency room of any hospital and watch all the free services being provided....the most expesnive service in the world, in an emergency room near you.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:00 | 2569261 TWSceptic
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"Only a total fool would support the US private care system."


Yeah, since there never was a truly free private health care system ...


But if you think it used to be bad, wait for the new one.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:02 | 2568675 Paul Atreides
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Socialism has nothing to do with it....this healthcare bill was written by insurance companies.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:22 | 2568988 Precious
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And to think you used to actually like nurses...  That was before they stuck their union-supported tazer up your ass. 

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:31 | 2569047 Paul Atreides
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I love nurses, treat them with the respect and dignity they deserve please.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:34 | 2569073 Precious
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Yah.  You love them cowgirl position.  Respect enough son?

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:01 | 2569277 TWSceptic
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Socialism comes from Obama, sorry if you are too blind to see that.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:13 | 2569352 Paul Atreides
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Obama is a fascist dictator puppet by and for big business. How are you so far off the mark?

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:51 | 2569635 AurorusBorealus
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You are exactly correct.  This bill will not change the nature of American medicine; it will simply transform the entire system into something resembling the Medicare HMO system, and will be a massive windfall for insurance companies at the expense of every citizen.  What it will also do is ensure that most major medical decisions will be made by RN case managers who have never seen the patient or any patient for that matter.

Of course, there had always been universal healthcare in the United States; since 1964 the program is called Medicaid, and is administered by each state according to federal guidelines. This just goes to show how uninformed most Americans are.  All I have heard from those who support this nonsense legislation is how poor people have no access to healthcare in the United States.  This is ridiculous.  Poor people have exactly the same access to healthcare as anyone- the Department of Health and the Department of Public Welfare have many jackboots who patrol the system to ensure that this is so.  I have never seen an Emergency room throw someone out onto the street because they were poor.  Ridiculous that people believe this stuff.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 13:56 | 2569989 Moe Howard
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Don't confuse the idiots with facts and figures. People are dying in the streets, don't you know that? Just ask any Canadian.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:58 | 2568752 Toolshed
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Dude......that avatar photo is a tad over the top don't you think? Or is it a self-photo? Apologies in advance if so.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:11 | 2568884 Seasmoke
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i cant even tell what half the avatars does everyone else seem to be able to see what they are ???

Sat, 06/30/2012 - 00:31 | 2575421 MeelionDollerBogus
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What socialists? This is Fascism, corporate governance. You're a fool to think this is socialism

What Is Fascism?

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:46 | 2568618 J 457
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My insurance premiums have incrased 114% since 2010, and my total health care cost (co-pays, etc.) have increased 140%- WITH NO CHANGE in medical condition and overall good health for family of four.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:48 | 2569170 MachoMan
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Until you stop medical professionals from absolutely raping the shit out of the free money out there (seldomly enforced at best), then you're going to get runaway costs...  each time it happens, they get rewarded with more and more money... 

the solution is really, really simple...

Sat, 06/30/2012 - 00:30 | 2575419 MeelionDollerBogus
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My health care is a fraction of my taxes. Canada. Single-payer and highly affordable compared to the USA.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:46 | 2568625 oak
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Obamacare will generate much larger deficit, buy gold, it s on sale now.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:55 | 2569211 XitSam
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If I had any Federal Reserve Notes left, I could buy some money.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:47 | 2568635 toady
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I was going to ask, but Mr. Durden is a step faster, as usual.

I was thinking stocks, particularly healthcare stocks, would skyrocket, knowing trillions would be forced into their coffers. NOT!

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:49 | 2568646 billwilson
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One day Americans will wise up to see what the rest of the world knows - single payer health care is cheaper, better and more equitable. But NO, the right wingers want inferior, more costly private care. Insane.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:56 | 2568731 Toolshed
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You are a partisan idiot. Right or Left are irrelevant. This benefits the elite who will make money hand over fist off of this ruling while someone else pays for their Cadillac health insurance plan. Get a clue and drop your partisan crap. The right/left bullshit is just another way the elites keep us fighting among ourselves instead of eating them for lunch. I can't wait to see what the rich taste like. 1%'ers........the other white meat.


Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:00 | 2568775 billwilson
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Huih? Of course it is a political issue. the right wing scream for private care, the left for single payer. The US pays duble what the rest of the world pays for worse results. Of course Romney/Obama care is horrible because it just feeds more money to the Sickness Complex. Go single payer and see real savings ... and better results ... and a more efficient economy.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:43 | 2569589 Toolshed
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Yes, it is a political issue. But you infer in your comment that the health care situation in the USA would somehow be better if the Left gets it's way. How absurd. Both parties are bought and paid for by Corporate America. The cost of healthcare will continue to increase rapidly under the control of either party. It is what their masters demand -  MORE! MORE! MORE! of YOUR money! The Left and Right have become the same thing - control mechanisms for the elite. You yourself have validated this theory by referring to it as Romney/Obama care. Continuing to muddy the waters of the debate with your patisan sniping only plays into the hands of the evil geniuses that are controlling our daily lives. With the grip the healthcare industry already has established on us, I can assure you that the single payer system will not happen in the USA short of violent revolution. Want proof? Do a little research on the current governor of FLorida. He should be in prison, yet he is in a public office (which he purchased with his ill gotten gains) with great power and influence over legislation. What else is there to say?

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:06 | 2568846 TMT
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How about you pay for your own shit and I pay for my own shit?  Get out of my pocket you fucking statist.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:16 | 2568928 billwilson
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Hey, as long as you are fine dying by the side of the road when you can't pay for your own cancer care and have been forced out of your home to pay the bills, and declared bankrupt, and lost your job. Great, more power to you. Me, I'm a bit less selfish.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:38 | 2569106 Think for yourself
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Yep. It's a bit sad to see that people hanging out on ZH, who have such a good understanding about how the system does its best divide and conquer, pitting the full might of its treacherous ways against every single individual, will still act according to their conditioning and think of healthcare in such individualistic terms. There is no systemic thinking here, no humaneness.

To the grandparent of this post: please tell me if I understood you correctly:
So you get corzined or MF Global'd (no, no, can't happen to you, you know better than that, right? what if it happened to your brother, sister, cousin, parents, kids, good drinking buddies?), layed off and robosigning-foreclosed, all of it traceable back to the machinations of the elite in their insatiable quest for profit and power. You tripped on one of their many well-concealed traps, and you fell down. They're lacing on the boot to bash your face in the pavement. What you're basically saying is that you want all of us to stand by and look despondently - because after all this is what you would do for anyone else. Is that what you're saying?

Fuck, man, what will it take you to learn? Get off your fucking knees and come stand up with the rest of humanity! 

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:48 | 2569172 TMT
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Show me where people are dying in America on the side of the road from a lack of healthcare.

Not wanting to be FORCED to help others is not selfish.  Get it through your fucking head.  Perhaps I should walk over to my neighbors house and take his car - if he protested he would be selfish, right?  Same fucking concept.

Charity is there to help people.  Unfortunately statists like you look to the government to take care of you.

One last point that probably means nothing to you - we as a country are BROKE and can't afford all this "free" stuff.

Sat, 06/30/2012 - 00:29 | 2575414 MeelionDollerBogus
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"Show me where people are dying in America on the side of the road from a lack of healthcare."

New York

Las Vegas




list gets pretty long, actually.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:54 | 2569204 Saro
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I'm fine with that.

It's my responsibility to make decisions about my own life.  I won't force anyone else at the point of a gun to pay for the consequences of the decisions I make.  The "selfish" position is the one that demands from others.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:50 | 2568664 pleseus
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Holy Shit! Huge new tax on society.  Fuck that!  I'm selling everything.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:51 | 2568671 gdogus erectus
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I can't wait to get my free health care! This is great news!

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:51 | 2568679 Zymurguy
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Perfect timing to place a new PPT chief, eh?  Time to get "on the job" ol' boy!

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:54 | 2568705 billwilson
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Amazing ... conservative court upholds Romney Care (after all Obama stole it from Mitt).

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:58 | 2568748 JustObserving
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Bullish for precious metals.  Instead of debts and unfunded liabilities growing at $8.2 trillion a year, they will grow at $10 trillion a year.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 10:58 | 2568754 Magnix
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That might be not enough for our ends meet.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:00 | 2568772 WhoMe
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Is Gold on the Edge of a Violent Downturn?



Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:37 | 2569094 Overfed
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I do love a good blowout sale.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:38 | 2569101 ParkAveFlasher
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Maybe, into any number of our nation's great waterways on weekends and holidays.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:05 | 2568827 El Yunque
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Putting forty-five million new customers into anything is a business opportunity, not a call to bail out because you just can't get by with less than 50% returns.

I really don't give a fuck about where the money comes from myself, as long as it's flying around there so we can all take part.

Having it all sit in a few bank vaults while it's few possesors bitch about taxes and ZIRP is getting kind of fucking old.

I'm sure we'll find a greedy way to fuck this up as well.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:07 | 2568845 roadhazard
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The thread title sounds right out of NewsMax, lol.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:07 | 2568847 monopoly
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Or upturn. Is this not absurd. We just inreased our deficit by 2 Trillion thanks to the supreme court and they sell gold.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:28 | 2569498 lasvegaspersona
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No gold was sold, just paper for paper.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:07 | 2568856 ghostfaceinvestah
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The SCOTUS dismissed Edwards, too, that is a big deal, because it opens up the door to massive class action lawsuits.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:08 | 2568864 slewie the pi-rat
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in the long run, healthcare is completely irrelevant

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:14 | 2568918 insanelysane
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Apparently it wasn't priced in...

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:16 | 2568932 RobotTrader
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"Stackers" are getting obliterated.


My prediction is that King World News will close down by the end of July.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:23 | 2569001 PeterSchump
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Everyone is getting obliterated.  Winston had it nailed.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:25 | 2569013 GrinandBearit
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Really?  I bought the bulk of what I own below $15.

Now go back to sucking on Ras's cock you myopic asswipe.


Sat, 06/30/2012 - 00:25 | 2575409 MeelionDollerBogus
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This is the dip. Stackers are getting the best deals possible, the most gold & silver for the least money. Next year they'll be seeing 50% profits on that gold and silver. That's not what "obliterated" means.

2012 apr 17 gold ROC trends | 52week ROC gold to 2400/oz

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:17 | 2568934 crawldaddy
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I sure hope Tyler being sarcastic isnt lost on people here

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:18 | 2568947 east paris trader
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Guess i'm not surprised by the decision.  The entire system is currently rigged --- markets, courts, tax codes.   Take a look at the bigger picture.  Notice how the individual herds of sheep are being moved into collective pens.   Can't have individual rights that leads to thinking.  Thinking by the sheep is bad!   Everyone gets the same thing, no decisions to make, no need to think here... free will?  We're giving it away.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:19 | 2568961 Mordan I
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Yoni my boy what are you thinking?

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:56 | 2569076 epwpixieq-1
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I am sure, NO Doctor will refuse equivalent weight of Au or Ag for any bill payment. In that way they should have gone up, but of course, we live in a parallel Universe, with no implied exposure to the underlying reality. And, the thinking is ALWAYS wrong, when it does not express the underlying (meta)physical reality.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 11:45 | 2569149 oldgasII
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Looks like a lot of small businesses are going Galt. I look for unemployment to rise and tax revenue to drop. SCOTUS may have just killed the Obama's chance of re-election by giving him what he wanted.  By calling the payment a tax instead of a fee will raise the question of what is a fair tax.  It looks like there is going to be a lot of sturm and drang in Congress since that is where tax rates are supposed to be decided.  

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:09 | 2569345 Joe A
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Can someone tell me how an American would pay monthly for Obamacare?

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:15 | 2569373 Temporalist
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I think this is awesome.  I didn't pay for health insurance before and now I don't have to.  And if I don't ever want to work again you suckers are going to foot the bill.  Also I can get my own EBT card and get diabetes without worrying that I can't get medical attention.


I'm just curious, who pays to lift the roof off of my house and the crane to lift me out of my bed because I'm too fat to move when I need to get to the hospital?

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:26 | 2569473 GOLDTEETHSILVER...

Follow the yellow brick road...

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:30 | 2569505 HungrySeagull
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Don't worry, they simply chop your bedroom wall out and bring a Class 6 heavy duty vehicle for you.

I had a Obese Cousin once. He did not make it to see 45. He essentially grew fat and fatter until the heart and lungs gave out one evening. Died right there.

Apparently he worked a liquor shop and got depressed about his shitty life and it was down hill from there.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 12:25 | 2569468 lasvegaspersona
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I suspect that NO precious metal was dumped...only paper sold for paper. The metal endures.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 13:03 | 2569718 ejhickey
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why would you sell PM to raise cash to buy health insurance?   the tax for NOT buying it is only 1% of income , far cheaper than buying insurance.  Save your money and buy coverage when you need it since you can't be denied coverage.  Of course this strategy wouldn't work for an accident or sudden illness but would be effective for most types of health problems.

Save your prescious metals to bribe the doctors and hospital people to move you to the head of the line or as a bribe to get out of the country

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