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As US Closes June With $15,856,367,214,324.44 In Federal Debt, US Debt/GDP Hits Post WWII High Of 101.5%

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Last week's bond auctions have finally settled and the numbers are in. As of the last day of June, the US had a record $15,856,367,214,324.44 in debt, a $75 billion increase overnight, and a post World-War II high Federal debt/GDP ratio of 101.5%.* That is all.

* Assuming GDP in Q2 grew at a 1% sequential rate, which in light of the global economic contraction, is quite generous.

 

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Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:29 | 2581630 Dick Darlington
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We need MOAR!

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:35 | 2581649 sunaJ
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Somebody had to buy all those bonds at auction.  Didn't know it was you and me, did you?

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:39 | 2581665 Manthong
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And it seems like just a few short months ago it was less than 100%.  Oh wait…

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/its-official-us-debtgdp-passes-100


Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:43 | 2581679 veyron
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Soon we'll find out that the computer programmer accidentally multiplied the gdp number by 2, so that we actually are above 200% debt to gdp ...

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:47 | 2581697 SHEEPFUKKER
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Just a rounding error. 

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:59 | 2581749 knukles
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Seasonally adjusted rounding error

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 21:29 | 2582355 Harlequin001
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Well done guys, that's nearly $1 trillion for a postage stamp, yet to b e priced in...

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:00 | 2581750 Stackers
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I wonder what the percentage is if GDP was recalculated using the old method from 30 years ago ?

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:03 | 2581760 knukles
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+++++++++++++++++++

Like unemployment would be closer to U whatever at 20%+.

(sigh)

Good thought....

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 20:52 | 2582296 economics9698
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122% with state and local.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:03 | 2581761 NotApplicable
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You really don't want to know.

Besides, until government spending is removed from the GDP equation, it will never measure growth, but instead, only consumption.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:12 | 2581786 Buckaroo Banzai
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WE DID IT!!!!

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:21 | 2581813 DaveyJones
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It's good to break a US and Olympic record.

A gold medal is the only appropriate response

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:26 | 2581829 The Watchman
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I'm so tired of talking trillions. Ben needs to add a couple of zeros to the discussion. Wake me up when we're talking quadrillions.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 20:18 | 2582242 Anonymouse
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Do they make tungsten medals?

Maybe that's why incandescent light bulbs were banned.  We need the tungsten for national security purposes.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:30 | 2581843 JackT
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NaN

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 20:07 | 2582219 Buck Johnson
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Yep we are buying are own debt, but in this twisted economic world thats not considered bad at all.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:22 | 2581817 stocktivity
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It's all Bullshit!   The Fed prints more $$$ out of thin air to buy more debt and keep the markets up. All in the hope that stupid Americans will see their 401 K rising and thus spend more money now.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 18:02 | 2581940 Blankenstein
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Being good little sheeple, they are falling for it hook, line and sinker.   In the Chicago area they are spending it on expensive homes.  It's unbelievable the number of "under contract" homes in my area.  The NAR propaganda campaign worked like a charm.  The prices aren't much off the highs of the bubble either.  IT'S CRAZY!

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:29 | 2581631 ghostfaceinvestah
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It sure is nice to be able to print your own currency.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:48 | 2581703 pods
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Au Contraire mon frere!

There is no printing until after it is borrowed (with interest) in existence.

pods

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:53 | 2581721 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Except in special cases, like TARP, STIMULUS, QE....

QE 2, OT2, POMO....

LTRO, ESFS, ESM....

When the PBoC does a 4T Yuan bailout....

When the BoJ buys ETFs, when the BoI buys AAPL....

Hmmm, maybe monetary policy is no longer so extraordinary?

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:56 | 2581735 LawsofPhysics
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Can't wait for all that fiat paper to find it's way back into the real economy, could be fun.  But then again, how much of that is simply going to service debt?  Sounds like capital mis-allocation and mal-investment to me.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:31 | 2581847 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Central Bank shit smells like roses.

This is bullish, by the way.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:05 | 2581766 JeffB
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The Fed can do that by buying Treasuries whenever they want.

 

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:08 | 2581774 pods
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Yep.

And what are treasuries?

Debt.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:50 | 2581715 Peter Pan
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As they say, luck cannot protect you from stupidity forever. The US is lucky it can still print but deep down we know the US is on borrowed time.

What I have noticed is that people have cried wolf so many times without a collapse having taken place, that a dangerous sense of complacency has set it.

The collapse is however in motion but is not greatly noticeable because the whole world is more or less sinking.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:16 | 2581797 OutLookingIn
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Its a frame by frame, slow motion train wreck!

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:31 | 2581846 Citxmech
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Ha ha - this is like a fleet of Titanics all reporting their respective seaworthiness based upon the height of their decks in relation to all the other sinking ships!

Brilliant!

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:31 | 2581638 Linus2011
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"i need some change" that is what social worker obama said.

not "change" as all the americans heard

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:42 | 2581677 veyron
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Problem is that there are no african americans in that south park scene.  It was all white people ...

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:44 | 2581687 The Swedish Chef
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"I want all the change and the notes too" is apparently what he meant...

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:59 | 2581745 brewing
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obama - that's all we need is another black guy panhandlin for change...

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:31 | 2581640 ArkansasAngie
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The only question I have about "the debt" is whether we will surpass the ceiling before or after the election.

But hey ... who cares about the debt when we don't even bother to have national budgets anymore.

Imaginary numbers in the sky only matter to the 1%'ers

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:33 | 2581644 Dr. Engali
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Brother can you spare an aircraft carrier? I'm good for it I promise.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:50 | 2581709 Linus2011
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yeah!

7000 of 'em!

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:34 | 2581647 bdiggs77
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Greece was in same position 2 years ago!

 

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:35 | 2581652 Linus2011
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looks like you americanos pay in quadrillions at the bakery soon as well.

that is probably why you guys all drive big pick-ups!

lol

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:38 | 2581654 falak pema
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how long can the US continue generating a current account deficit of 3-6% per yr of gDP?

with a debt that is already in the never-never zone; >90% of GDP.

Its asking the world to kick uncle greenback up its obese ass! Exorbitant privilege will get butt bashed, whatever happens in Nov 2012. 

And ALL these PD banks and HFs can think about is to go rob the Euro cupboard! What a cannibalistic world of oligarchs. 

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:46 | 2581695 francis_sawyer
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 "how long can the US continue generating a current account deficit of 3-6% per yr of gDP?"

~~~

& the chanting begins... 4 more years!... It's all about 'HOPE & CHANGE dontcha know?

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:55 | 2581914 Zymurguy
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Yes!  I HOPE they CHANGE the speed of the printing presses... turn it up to 11

/sarc

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 18:49 | 2582025 BooMushroom
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Interesting train of thought: what would be the best length of a hyperinflationary collapse, for the muppets to manage to survive it?

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:33 | 2581852 dizzyfingers
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I think it was Wall Street Greek that said debt to GDP is 101.5% "now"...but I didn't look at the date on the article.

When those percentages are figured, is it done by some guv agency like BLS or is it real... well, like if it were on a chart here?

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:36 | 2581656 hannah
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if we 'only' has $15bil i will eat my own shit.......

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:36 | 2581657 Seasmoke
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good thing we have that retractable roof on the debt ceiling

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:38 | 2581664 A Lunatic
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Debt Schmet. What the printing presses won't cover; fear, intimidation, and drone attacks will...........

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:41 | 2581671 Euro Monster
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Where is the champagne?

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:51 | 2581718 Linus2011
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in Frogland!

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:41 | 2581672 Endgamer
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Our children will be good for it.

 

 

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:26 | 2581827 Miffed Microbio...
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This would be a good reason not to have children. Unfortunately too late for me. Ours is going to be an interesting " golden" years. I shudder to think what theirs will be. Frightening times ahead.

Miffed:-)

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:42 | 2581673 DoChenRollingBearing
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#Winning!

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:50 | 2581682 phijammaslamma
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Does someone have a graph of Debt / Income of US (taxes,fees,etc)  ? 

I don't think Debt/GDP is accurate measure anymore. Debt is a liability that accrues entirely to US taxpayer,  but the fruits of GDP has been siphoned off through offshore tax havens plus globalized workforce.  So GDP grows, but very little incremental tax income results because corporations avoid the taxes, and companies hire many new workers in low cost countries, and those workers pay taxes and consume in their country not the US.   If you could take that into account, I think the picture is much worse.

I guess Debt / Income  and Debt / US taxapyer are more accurate picture in my mind.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:13 | 2581791 JeffB
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Some of the raw numbers have been collected on the U.S. National Debt Clock website.

If you count "unfunded", "off-the-books" liabilities, it's more than $1,000,000 per taxpayer.

That isn't likely to get better any time soon with some 9,000 baby boomers hitting age 65 every day for the next couple of decades.

 

 

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:40 | 2581876 dizzyfingers
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"Some of the raw numbers have been collected on the U.S. National Debt Clock website.If you count "unfunded", "off-the-books" liabilities, it's more than $1,000,000 per taxpayer.That isn't likely to get better any time soon with some 9,000 baby boomers hitting age 65 every day for the next couple of decades.

Does DebtClock have muni pension default factored in? http://www.pensiontsunami.com/public.php  (this is just Calif.) Wonder if other states' pension tsunamis are all on line waiting to be added up.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 23:12 | 2582593 JeffB
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I imagine most of that's lumped into the categories for State debt and Local debt.

The $1,000,000 + per taxpayer is just federal debt, however. It isn't counting personal, corporate, local or state government debt.

Of course I don't know how much it matters once you get beyond "No way in hell of paying it back."

I suppose it does factor into how big of a haircut will be needed either through bankruptcy or inflation.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:35 | 2581859 Hal n back
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would you or anyone loan money to a company which had 16 trillion of debt now-1.5 trillion of annual losses on annual  revenues of 2 trillion, and unrecorded liabilities of somewhere between 80 and 200 trillion.

 

When will people see this as the worlds greatest ponzi scheme? At least we do something well.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 23:14 | 2582598 JeffB
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You must be mistaken. I'm pretty sure I read that the U.S. Treasuries are the world's "safe haven" where one can park their life's savings in risk free assets.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:44 | 2581683 OutLookingIn
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"The US economic system is about to blow up.

The banking sector has been kept technically alive on the life support of accounting fraud since 2008, but that artful racket is coming to an end because sooner or later the abstraction called "money" must make truthful representations of itself in relation to reality, or else people cease to accept its claim of value."

http://www.kunstler.com/blog/2012/07/hostage-racket.html

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:53 | 2581725 LawsofPhysics
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Nice read, thanks for posting the link.  Diminishing returns indeed.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:10 | 2581780 aerojet
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It's about to blow up, but Kunstler can't predict when.  Japan has something like 200% debt/gdp an they haven't headed into SHTF yet.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:21 | 2581815 OutLookingIn
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Nobody can make that prediction.

Anyone who attempts to is guessing.

Just because Japan is over 200% debt/GDP does not insulate the US from a blow up. Because most of Japan's debt is held internally, and are not responsible for the worlds reserve currency. 

Can you say BOOM? I knew you could.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:28 | 2581834 LawsofPhysics
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I wouldn't call life in many part of Japan pleasant right now for the majority of the population, but it really depends who holds the debt.  I often find that I owe myself money.  Fortunately, I decide if the debt is forgiven. Get it?

Now if only the U.S. treasury were printing it's own money, then it would be holding the debt.  Unfortunately, a private banking cartel holds the debt, maybe you heard of them - The Federal Reserve.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:45 | 2581692 LawsofPhysics
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Time for a few more unfunded wars, yeah that should do it. Just give me a head's up so I can buy those companies.  ZH should do a piece on all companies connected to the industrial war complex and include the domestic providers of riot gear, mace, etc.  Some are obvious players, but I would be willing to bet that many of us would be enlightened and somewhat suprised.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:04 | 2581764 OutLookingIn
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Surprised? Maybe not.

Many of the names on the stock holders list or on the board of directors or as upper management, would most probably read like a who's who in either Washington or Wall Street, or both!

Corporatism is just another way of saying fascism. Military/industrial/governmental corporatists.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:46 | 2581694 Snakeeyes
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And that's the way, uh-huh, uh-huh, he likes it. uh-huh. uh-huh.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:47 | 2581700 Jena
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Obama really doesn't want to talk about the debt deiling before the election.  He doesn't want anyone else talking about it, either.  Shhh.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:56 | 2581920 Hal n back
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he would not want to talk about it after the election either.

 

Of course, he campaigned in 08 about fiscal responsibility, just like any candidate would have done.

 

Change we can believe in.

 

 

 

 

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:52 | 2581705 TWSceptic
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It's ok, according to liberals the president didn't increase debt that much percentagewise so we're actually all fine and don't have to worry.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:57 | 2581741 knukles
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My uber-liberal friends say the problem's not enough's been spent.... (Krugmanesques horse shit)

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:38 | 2581866 sosoome
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My uber-liberal friends have dropped all pretense, and tell me they don't care about any "debt".

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:58 | 2581929 Hal n back
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my uber liberal friends, mostly teachers, retired at age 55 have houses in warm climates and go on 2-3 cruses a year and have no sense of reality; at least until the pensions go into default.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 23:42 | 2582645 DanDaley
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I tell my uberlib neighbors to stock up for the crash so they don't come begging when the time comes, saying, "what's happening, what's happening, why the martial law", etc., etc.?

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:51 | 2581717 Linus2011
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All your dept are belong to Germany!

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:51 | 2581719 Whoa Dammit
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$75 billion overnight = approximately a $600 cost for a family of 4.

Did you get your moneys worth outta that deal? I sure didn't. 

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:55 | 2581729 Uncle Remus
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! He's got a PIN!!! Somebody dial 419!!

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 16:54 | 2581731 surf0766
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Does this officially put an lid on the "The debt was higher after WWII than it is now" crap ?

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:15 | 2581742 LawsofPhysics
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Sure, now what did the tax rates look like after WWII again?

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 18:01 | 2581936 TMT
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70-80% but the effective tax rates were much lower.

Check out the % of the budget during that period - entitlements and interest were de minimis.

Are you advocating for an 80% top tax bracket?

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 23:39 | 2582641 JeffB
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How much did they cut spending when the war was over?

 

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 19:56 | 2582195 surf0766
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I believe they cuts taxes and cut spending and the economy took off.. I could be wrong..

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:01 | 2581751 knukles
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Is that before or after the BLS seasonal adjustments and weekly revisions?

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:02 | 2581754 ptoemmes
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Big numbers hurt my head - not enough fingers and toes - but if I read the chart correctly there's about $580 billion until we - who the frack is this we - bump our heads on the debt ceiling limit.  Looking like they might make the election without a circus show in the main tent.  But I could be off a decimal or a few months...

 

Pete

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:03 | 2581763 Tum
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Considering we're most likely involved in more countries openly and covertly today with our military than even in WWII, I'm not surprised. Add to that the welfare state and a few different accounting books for the Feds to use, and you have yourself a nice little cluster fuck and shit storm coming our way.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:04 | 2581765 reader2010
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We haven't reached the level of the largest known prime number yet. Inflate or Die, BitcheZ!

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:06 | 2581769 YesWeKahn
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At the same time, the criminal FED has been printing at the record pace.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:11 | 2581783 yogibear
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Print faster Bernanke and the Fed!! Make the US dollar go to 0. All debts and wealth is worthless. Then start a new currency.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:15 | 2581795 monopoly
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But is just does not mean anything yet. Few seem to care or worry and even less know what the number is. And until it does matter, maybe next year, rally on. So absurd. A country being destroyed.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:16 | 2581798 bnbdnb
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If this contraction (ISM number) brings about some firings/layoffs, tax receipts will start dropping, and we'll hit the debt ceiling much sooner.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 18:00 | 2581934 Hal n back
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nah-they stop paying into the federal pension system and if thats not enough, they stop paying vendors

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:16 | 2581799 Piranhanoia
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You are required to have faith that the above charts making claims of fact are not cloud based double secret revisions dreamed up by the head revisionist.  Like the facts we get from NAR, Chamber of Congress, BLS, GDP,  NFP, et cet.   From Aardvark to Zyzyx.  And Zyzyx is likely moving to Nevada or Arizona if it gets a decent offer or there is a big enough quake to make it oceanfront.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:17 | 2581803 duckarooni
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How much of that is military debt? Most of it! 2/3 of a trillion a year. Over 25 years that can add up.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:21 | 2581814 Piranhanoia
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I have a question that I haven't seen a story on;   How much actual greenbacks (roubles, rial, euro, all the actual money in circulation,  compared to the amount of money is claimed to exist on other piece of paper?   And how much that doesn't seem to exist in a real sense even on paper?

That might scare people into waking up.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:27 | 2581830 OutLookingIn
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If physical gold was allowed to trade freely?

The price would need to be north of $20,000.00/oz to cover the worlds fiat currency.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:27 | 2581832 TMT
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The Hope Bonds line item was unchanged at $493 MM.  Aren't they all "Hope Bonds"?  I hope these idiot investors buying this garbage don't realize they're getting a negative real return to lend money to an insolvent government.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:28 | 2581835 dizzyfingers
Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:30 | 2581842 dizzyfingers
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The Watchman

 

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:48 | 2581900 TMT
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Now.

But with the veloicty doesn't that point to deflation?  With all the trillions of fiat slushing around, is it accurate to say that it can't result in inflation as long as velocity is dead?

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:36 | 2581862 Turin Turambar
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and who says we don't give it our all?  100+% BABY!!

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:37 | 2581864 koaj
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to infinity.....and beyond!!!!

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:43 | 2581865 LouisDega
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Gee wilikers, That is a lot of money. Enjoy your holiday.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:38 | 2581869 Diablo
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debtclock has it at 103.9%

 

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:41 | 2581880 stant
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mean-while in blacked out dc the prince of darkness feels more at home

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:47 | 2581898 Uncle Remus
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And now for something completely different: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1rKQReqJZg&feature=related

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:49 | 2581903 Heroic Couplet
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Let the IRS close down Swiss Bank Accounts, Cayman Islands accounts and return the monies to the IRS. Find the total dollar amount of damage Phil Gramm and the repeal of Glass-Steagall did and charge that to Phil Gramm, along with the crap derivative products created in a private, unregulated environment. Republicans want deregulation but they're too dumb to realize it leads to increased risk.

Housing Bubble: Alan Greenspan and the banks. Get rid of Alan. Limit New York City to credit unions only.

 

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 18:09 | 2581951 TMT
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You're painting with a very broad brush there.  I (not a Republican, since you're into labels) want the least amount of sensible regulation possible.  GS is good regluation.  Regulating lemonade stands is not.  Not all regulation is equal.

But it's not just the regulation on the books that matters - it's the willingness to enforce them (prosecute those responsible).  Do you not think that many laws were violated during 2008 and the runup to the collapse?  The problem is no one is held accountable.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:53 | 2581909 Zymurguy
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I love how on another topic ("green" fuel for the navy) there's tons of liberal wank yankers trying to defend the administrations green agenda and it's forcing it upon our navy.

On this topic however, doesn't seem to be one of them here.  The facts are the facts... debt, fiat, fractional reserve lending is killing every 1/2 way modern society on the planet.

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:55 | 2581915 yogibear
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Double or nothing Bernanke and the Fed. Double the Fed's balance sheet to 6 trillion. Do a $3 trillion fiscal stimulus. Add another $3 trillion to the deficit to make it $19 trillion and party on!!!

If that doesn't work, add another $6 trillion to the federal Reserve deficit and make it $12 trillion. Add 12 trillion to the US deficit and make it $31 trillion. 

If that doesn't work double up again. Keep doing it until nobody accepts the US dollar and it all blows up!!

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 17:56 | 2581921 Chartist
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I expect a world wide debt write down in five years....

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 02:35 | 2582218 GoinFawr
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$15,856,367,214,324.44 In Federal Debt? Good grief why don't these lazy Greeks just give it up and default already.

oh wait, wrong thread?

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 20:31 | 2582261 Walt D.
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It seems that there is always a big spike at the end of the month. Does anyone know why? 

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 20:51 | 2582293 sickofthepunx
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same reason your bank account tanks on the 1st of the month,

 

that's when the bills get paid

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 11:09 | 2583855 Walt D.
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Except this is not a bank account balance - this is more like a credit card balance (that keeps increasing every month).

Mon, 07/02/2012 - 22:19 | 2582470 Tom Green Swedish
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I'm not bad with 16 trillion.  When it gets to 32 trillion then I might have an issue.

 

Disclosure.  Long Facebook forever.  I will only buy facebook stock nothing else. No diversification. Strong Buy.  Based on Salesforce.com, Want Want China, Linked In, Netflix,  and Zillow P/E's thefacebook should be a 180 dollar stock and Zuckerberg should be the wealthiest person in the world with a net worth of 90 billion dollars.

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 01:42 | 2582802 electronpaul
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$500 billion till the next debt "ceiling' is hit, what's the over on that ? election day?

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 04:13 | 2582911 natty light
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Electron Paul

Is that like Neutron Jimmy?

Tue, 07/03/2012 - 07:15 | 2583045 richard007
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Scripture seems to indicate where the US debt is taking us.

Habakkuk 2:7 describes what will happen to the USA immediately after the War with Iran starts.

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