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US Consumers Hit Peak Schizophrenia - A Chart

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An hour after getting a whopper in the retail sales number, which handily beat all expectations, we get "confirmation" that consumers are not only more optimistic, with overall Michigan confidence sliding from 59.4 to 57.5, on expectations of 60.2, but that they have less to look forward to than ever in the past 31 years, with the consumer expectations number dropping from 49.4 to 47.0, the lowest since May 1980. Yet expectations for a Dow 36,000 are easily the highest since October 2007. Although the chart that will blow everyone's mind is this comparison of the YoY change in retail sales and consumer sentiment. Two words: Peak Schizophrenia.

h/t John Lohman

 


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Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:09 | Link to Comment TooBearish
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Its inflation - RS nominally reported DOOD!

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:11 | Link to Comment Corn1945
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Yeah, I don't believe retail sales are adjusted for inflation. So you can't just look at the headline number.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:16 | Link to Comment Comay Mierda
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real CPI running hot at 11.4% shadowstats.com

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:21 | Link to Comment tekhneek
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Easy now fuzzy little man peach.

You're not accounting for expansion and contraction in efficiency! If steak's expensive, people will buy ground beef instead thus maintaining their standard of living!

Everyone knows this. Go back to sleep. Nothing to see here.

No but seriously... inflation really is at 11.4% and real unemployment's hanging out around 24%. Good times. What was the great depression? 34% unemployment? 10% off...

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:25 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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Yeah.  And it is nothing that a 11% pay cut can't reverse, or an 11% drop in employment.  Everyone knows the key to printing money, giving it to your buddies, and having it maintain some value, is perma-recession.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:33 | Link to Comment idea_hamster
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Isn't this just what loss of confidence in a currency (i.e., pre-hyperinflation) looks like?

In 2008, people thought 'things are going to get worse, so I better stock up on what will help -- cash.'

Now, people think 'things are going to get worse, so I better buy [whatever] now -- I don't think I'll be able to afford it later.'

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:40 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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You're right, but we aren't there yet.  The tipping point is when the masses realize that the almighty fiat is losing value and they begin in earnest to convert it to just about anything else.  Money velocity is THE KEY indicator of confidence loss and the accelerant to hyper-inflation (if it goes that way).

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:00 | Link to Comment Pinto Currency
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Now wait for the markets to pile into general equities.  That will be the next sign that our currencies are failing.

 

P&G will sell soap in whatever currency - and make a profit.

 

There's been a pop in consumer discretionary purchases (usually leading indicator of consumers going on a buying binge) :

 

http://www.consumerindexes.com/  (see second graph).

 

But also a mother of a pop in M1 money supply which is very inflationary :

 

http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/money-supply-charts

 

The Fed is hell bent on getting Obama re-elected.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:05 | Link to Comment Smiddywesson
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Weimar Republic:  Oct 1922 to Oct 1923, the markets rose 28x.  Generally, people flee to another currency when their own fails, but this was outlawed so people had nowhere to run but to stocks.  The same holds true today.  Interest rates are 0% and all other currencies are also being debased.  Hence, nowhere to run but real things.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:33 | Link to Comment darkhorse007
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Don't worry... the inverted yield curve will fix everything. 

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:31 | Link to Comment pettolicious
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Let them eat ground beef and donuts??  

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 20:52 | Link to Comment Newsboy
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"I'm OLD GREG!"

What a twisted reference.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:22 | Link to Comment Won_Over
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Maybe it is inflation, maybe it's not.... I think it's bigger than that.... it's the depression that has hit mainstream that in order to feel good and not kill yourself the last thing to do is hit the mall and spend that last dollar of your last credit card that still has available credit. After that they will jump off the closest bridge wearing their new Armani clothes and coach bags.

Someone look at the pharma sales, specifically the division of anti-depressants.

 

 

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:09 | Link to Comment Smiddywesson
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A friend works for a major distiller.  He told me the same.  People might not buy a new car during a recession, but they will buy luxuries like expensive booze because it makes them feel better.  His company is making massive profits from their most expensive lines.

That's why Hollywood made all those sappy synchronized swimming movies during the Depression, it make people forget for a while.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:20 | Link to Comment Janice
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Or...people are stocking up on expensive booze to be used as barter should it become necessary....liquor, the real poor man's gold.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:23 | Link to Comment JPM Hater001
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Someone look at lipstick sales.  They are the #1 indicator of "depression treat".

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 18:43 | Link to Comment toady
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Hmmmm

I wonder how lipstick would be used in a barter situation...

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 12:09 | Link to Comment SemperFord
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A friend works for a large cable installer and not only are they getting overtime as more Americans sit on their fat ass, they are hiring! So bullish for anything the sheep dumb themselves with until umemployment benefits stop rolling in.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:55 | Link to Comment Jay Gould Esq.
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Must be that Herm Cain rise in the polls which has everyone juiced.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:14 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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Good point, i'd like to see the inflation adjusted and gold comparison chart next to it and it will look like a cliff!

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:10 | Link to Comment Divided States ...
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Its not the Americans buying, its all the Chinese coming over here to buy up all brand name high end stuff with their wads of cash....while we buy up their plastic useless junk in droves at Walmart. Thats a fair trade

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:20 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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Good point. Make sure to call your Congressman in support of the China currency bill, it'll support job growth.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:34 | Link to Comment Divided States ...
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Had to buy a scarf for my gf at a LVMH store, which costs me and arm and a leg (1k) and when I went into the store, it was a like a chinkfest over there and these effers bought up the whole store like it was on sale. Guess the weak USD is indeed doing wonders for everyone else except the 99% of the US citizens. Those effers took all the stock in the scarf that I wanted to get so now I am on a waiting list for the next shipment. I hope it comes in soon because I have 2 weeks before her bday arrives. If it dont come in, I may have to go to Old Navy and pick one of those Made in China ones. Hope she dont mind.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:39 | Link to Comment unky
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For 1k i would consider change your gf. You can find many cheaper ones

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:40 | Link to Comment earnulf
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Reality Check!    If you pay 1K for a scarf, you probably paid at least 975 too much.

Heck, Wally World has long sleeve shirts with free scarves for less than $10!!

(Wow, 1K could have bought 31 oz of Silver, which would be a lot better birthday present IMO!)

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:54 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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Suckers like you are part of the problem.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:57 | Link to Comment spartan117
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What's the old saying about a fool and his money...

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:02 | Link to Comment Divided States ...
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I will admit, I am a total idiot for doling out like this but I am sure when it comes to a girl, ppl do stupid things. Hopefully this is a one-off...I have my fingers crossed.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:12 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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I have an idea since you have two weeks.  Return the scarf, find one for $500.  Send me $100 for saving you $500 and you will have still saved $400.  Or you can send me the whole $500 in savings since I saved you the money after all.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:16 | Link to Comment Divided States ...
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Fortunately havent bought yet since I am only on a long waiting list so not out of the money just yet on it but will consider. your proposal.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:32 | Link to Comment JP McManus
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Here's an idea: Why don't you give me half the money your were gonna to [spend], then we'll go out back, I'll kick you in the nuts, and we'll call it a day!

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:43 | Link to Comment Divided States ...
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Heres an idea: Go to the Occupy protest in your city and find a banker/cop/politician to kick in the nuts...will be more productive.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 12:57 | Link to Comment totem
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Why do you think it'll be a one-off?  If you give her a $1K scarf, you're setting yourself up for higher expectations.  And then maybe this: "What happened to the expensive gifts? Don't you love me anymore?"

Just be yourself.  If it's money she wants, let her go (she will ultimately leave anyway).  But if it's you she wants, what you get is not really important; so find something nice but not-too-expensive.

(On a slow-market day, ZH can morph into "Dear Abby"!  :-))

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:40 | Link to Comment Divided States ...
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Kinda like what the markets are expecting out of the Europeans and their plan of a plan right now?? Going higher on higher expectations?

Good advice, l am thinking like the Europeans right now...wishful thinking.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:04 | Link to Comment The Limerick King
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YOU PURCHASED A SCARF FOR 1k!!!!

My God, what's a fellow to say???

If you think that is wise

While some poor child dies

You're the essence of moral decay!  

 

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:05 | Link to Comment Jay Gould Esq.
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A thousand bucks. Such is love. 

Here's a Louis Vuitton...but, sorry, DS: Even for a thousand, the chick doesn't come with it.

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljretgqCz31qf9hjno1_500.jpg

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:06 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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Man - that's the business to get into: selling really expensive shit to stupid rich people.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 12:15 | Link to Comment SemperFord
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1K for a scarf, you have to pay for her to slip off the panties, how sad. For that cash you can get a couple of girlfriends to do things your current one won't and you don't have to worry about going shopping!

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:12 | Link to Comment jdelano
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My interpretation is that the confidence numbers just show you how doctored the activity numbers are....

 

go out and talk to your neighbors, the people that own your local bar, restaurant, dry cleaners--they ain't buyin' shit.  Nobody's buying shit except the 1%.  

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:55 | Link to Comment Ctrl-Alt-Defeat
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Done that, you are entirely correct in my experience :(

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:56 | Link to Comment centerline
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Most people I know are still on tight budget and continue to exercise restraint.  I do think some of these statistics are bogus and/or do not express the true nature of what is going on.

Like Mark Twain said "Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics."

On the flipside, I do think that large segment of the population who is in debt originally went into a deleveraging mode with the S first hit the F.

Now, after taking on the revolving credit issues due to higher rates, many may have stalled due to low rates.  Either they have been lulled to sleep by the low cost to carry debt combined with economic uncertainly (holding cash), and/or they actively expect debt or the banks or both to blow up and don't want to send good money chasing bad money.

Either way, spending might tick up a little as the population becomes numb and/or says "fuck it, we are all screwed, so I might as well have a iPhone."

Just thoughts

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:11 | Link to Comment Lone Mad Minute...
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I believe that small uptick in retail sales comes from three paychecks in sept.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:15 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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45,000 Verizon workers ended the strike and went back to work. They had to put gas in their cars...hence the uptick.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:11 | Link to Comment pauhana
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True.  If the cost of everything you buy goes up, retail sales will look up as well but the hit to the pocketbook will affect how you feel about that spending - not so good.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:25 | Link to Comment Raynja
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Exactly, its not schizophrenia, its stagflation.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:22 | Link to Comment AbelCatalyst
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Actually, it's screwflation - higher prices, lower salaries... Thanks Ben!!

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:12 | Link to Comment sabra1
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no santa claus for you, forever!!!!

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:13 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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Tyler, I think you fail to understand that the market is merely celebrating the crushing of all middle class hopes. That was, after all, the goal.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:13 | Link to Comment Johnny Lawrence
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A few people pointed out that retails sales was all seasonal-adjustment.  Not one category of the report should an actual increase in sales.

I am curious where Tyler got his "everyone expects Dow 36,000" info from.  I love seeing sentiment indicators on Wall Street.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:17 | Link to Comment Corn1945
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The retail sales numbers just don't jive with the other data out there: stagnant income, no real credit growth, high unemployment, and abysmal confidence readings.

I can only think of three things:

1) The gains are really from inflation because I'm pretty sure the numbers are not adjusted for inflation.

2) The rich command so much purchasing power that they alone drive retail sales.

3) The data is seasonally adjusted to show gains (ie, made up)

 

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:49 | Link to Comment LongBallsShortBrains
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4).....the numbers are bullshit, like all the others. Did they get BLS to figure their "numbers"?

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 12:09 | Link to Comment s2man
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5) You are a prepper.  Your confidence is in the shitter, and you turn every FRN you can into phsyical stuff.

Prep on

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 19:27 | Link to Comment BooMushroom
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Food stamps can buy a whole crapload of rice, beans, sugar, spam, and bottled water.  Not everyone spends it all on steak, lobster and pepsi.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:14 | Link to Comment Vergeltung
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the recent spending/sales spike was just school supply shopping and some Gov't motors hand outs (via cheap loans).

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:14 | Link to Comment Sandy15
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Buying extra food, ammo, water and gold will send retail sales higher.

However confidence in other spending is practically zero..........

I'm just sayin'...............

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:14 | Link to Comment BurningFuld
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Could this be the Blow Off Top of the spending Mania?

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:22 | Link to Comment Archimedes
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Are you refering to Mises "Crack up Boom!"  then yes!

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:14 | Link to Comment Racer
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and all the retail sales 'improvements' were just made up

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:16 | Link to Comment Dick Darlington
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Retail sales are NOT adjusted for inflation and htat is the thing that makes up for the massive difference. It's NOT REAL gains, it's INFLATION.

Even though Chairsatan uses fabricated CPI-index to show that there's no inflation to justify printing trillions out of thin air in order to keep the zombie banks alive, it def does not mean that there's not inflation in the real world.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:16 | Link to Comment Iam Rich
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Denninger has a good analysis, at least for this months data... 

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=195952

Bottomline, m/o/m is in the shitter and all gains are due to seasonal adjustments.  Stupidity wrapped in retardation.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:22 | Link to Comment Hohum
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That's interesting.  I think it's also useful to look at one year ago (non-adjusted).  I didn't blow up the graph, but I think Sept 2011 numbers are a little higher than Sept 2010.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:31 | Link to Comment Cone of Uncertainty
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They are higher in total by about 8%.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:16 | Link to Comment nobusiness
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Somebody is Lying?  Government or consumer?  I wonder.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:16 | Link to Comment swissaustrian
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That´s what Mises called a crack up boom, a rush out of cash into tangible assets:

http://blog.mises.org/10902/goyette-were-near-the-crack-up-boom/

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:40 | Link to Comment steve from virginia
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Yeah ... tangible assets, like anything that can be had at a $.99 store.

Cars are tangible assets ... until they are driven off the lot losing 30% of their value instantly.

Houses just lost another 5%. Look out below.

What crackup boom? Everyone is broke (except in the DC area, home of the United States Treasury).

The consumption figures are lies. The government permanently lies.

Looking for gas prices to run back up to the $4 per gallon level one last time, I doubt prices will get that high. People are broke and won't spend the money.

Gasoline isn't an asset.

Stock market swindlers are telling each other the European crisis is over while having the computers trade that one share of Amazon stock back and forth a few billion times per day. Some asset(s) ...

More wishcasting for hyper-inflation which ain't gonna happen. Nobody has any money.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:17 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Paper and reality divereging all over the place.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:18 | Link to Comment RobotTrader
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Things are pretty much horrid, but not really getting any worse.  Mauldin's "Muddle Through" economy.

Imagine what the S & P 500 is going to do when things actually start improving.  Could be a real shocker.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:22 | Link to Comment Corn1945
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You said a few weeks ago we were going to revisit the March 09 lows.

Why the sudden change?

Are you the one who calculates the retail sales numbers?

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:27 | Link to Comment RobotTrader
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Tom O'Brien said we could go down to the March 2009 lows again, but that was invalidated when the NY Composite got back into the trading range.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:31 | Link to Comment Corn1945
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I don't care what Tom O'Brien said.

You stated that we would revisit the March 09 lows.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:52 | Link to Comment LongBallsShortBrains
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I green arrowed you because I feel sorry for you RobotRetard

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 12:12 | Link to Comment s2man
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I red arrowed you because of your avatar

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:25 | Link to Comment jdelano
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Too jaded to even bother junking you anymore.  Carry on Robo.  You know what I'd like to know though--what's your angle?  Why do you play the charging bull so persistently?  Do you really only know how to ride the market one way or are you in fact a paid schill?  Or worse, do you actually think America can continue to have a stable "low growth" environment while the rest of the world collapses around it?  

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:28 | Link to Comment Everybodys All ...
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Rest of the world is doing measurably better ... while here in the states companies and people are struggling. S&P 500 being mostly now internationally focused can show decent earnings. The problem for instance is a company like GAP who is looking to open new stores in China(300% growth there) and at the same time close down stores here in the US. That is a wtf moment for all of us here in the states and we should all be aware of the implications.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:35 | Link to Comment jdelano
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you are very badly misinformed.  'Rest of the world doing measurably better...'  

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:39 | Link to Comment Everybodys All ...
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measurably may have been too strong a word. Don't get me wrong I am not bullish at all. Shade better might be a better word. The thrust of my point is that companies that have exposure outside of the US are showing decent earnings results and those that only have exposure internally in the US are struggling.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:41 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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The rest of the world has learned to accept less consumption in their lifestyle.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:47 | Link to Comment jdelano
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okay--but I listen to what you're saying and I hear you groping for any thin reason for the market to go up in the face of a thousand reasons why it should go down.  Earnings have nowhere to go but down--for international as well as domestic corporations.  The world is cooling.  Should p/e go up for the MCDs and the Coca-Colas?  Maybe.  But the CATs etc should get smashed.  Markets are forward looking. Guidance, when it is realistic, is going to poor, and when it is exuberant, with all but a few exceptions, it is going to be a crock of shit.  I cannot comprehend why so many reasonably intelligent people are fighting that so hard, almost desperately hard.  It reminds me, uncannily, of 08. 

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:59 | Link to Comment Everybodys All ...
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No other way to explain the GOOG earnings or the expected Apple sales of their new phone. Certainly I don't see it coming from US sales. BTW I'm loaded on the short side and I am playing the market as I see it running into huge resistance right here. As a trader you have to use a sense of wht others are trading on right or wrong and not just your own opinions.

One other overriding factor above all others is the weaker dollar over the last week or so has caused the stock market to go higher.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:30 | Link to Comment jdelano
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I explain goog earnings by Groupon spending a half trillion in advertising to get 3 paying customers.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:18 | Link to Comment Lord Blankcheck
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Apply Benford's Law to Goverment numbers.See what kind of deviation there is with those numbers.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:19 | Link to Comment Archimedes
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Looks like 1220 hit strong resistance.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:20 | Link to Comment vote_libertaria...
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Here is why retail sales are rising...store closures.  It only counts stores open at the beginning AND ending measurement period.

 

store a: sales last month 40, sales this month 48

store b: sales last month 40, sales this month 48

store c: sales last month 20, store closed

Retail sales are down 4%....???....no

The way retail sales are measured they are up 20% (96\80)

 

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:27 | Link to Comment Iam Rich
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Interesting.  I know Mish usually is all over this "phenomenon".  Further, based upon his typical approach, I think a look at the sales tax receipts would be a good place to start to see a confirmation of the retail sales numbers.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 19:37 | Link to Comment BooMushroom
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Green arrow away.  This is especially true in over-saturated markets.  If BigCo Drug has 5 stores in the city, close two, and the remaining three only get 10% of the closed store's customers each, "Same Store Sales" (the market metric) says they're up 10% YoY, instead of down 70%.  Growth!

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 22:04 | Link to Comment Bob Sacamano
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Incorrect.  This retail sales report is not same store (or comp store) sales.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:21 | Link to Comment gringo28
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two words: stag flation

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:26 | Link to Comment AbelCatalyst
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One word: screwflation

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:21 | Link to Comment Lady Heather...UNCLE
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bullish

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:24 | Link to Comment cbaba
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Its inflation.

I have purchased a 4.4oz chocolate( made in USA) two days ago 10.12.11  ( Lint classic recipe-hazelnut) for $2.48  in Walmart.

I have checked my old receipts and found that I had purchased the exactly same 4.4oz chocolate about 5 months ago 05.11.11 for $2.18 in the same Walmart.

Thats a stunning 13.7% increase in only 5 months.

 

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:45 | Link to Comment bnbdnb
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Strange, considering cocoa, has gone down.

http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/future/COCOA

 

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:27 | Link to Comment virgilcaine
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Santa Claus rally in October!.. its going to be a LOONG WInter.  Keep shopping sheeple Xmas is only 12 weeks away.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:25 | Link to Comment Silver Dreamer
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The data is easily understood if you look at it from the perspective of a prepper.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:26 | Link to Comment RobotTrader
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SBUX now at world record highs with 9% unemployment.

Amazing.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:38 | Link to Comment Richard Head
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"World record"?  Who talks like that about stock prices?  STFU.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:28 | Link to Comment unky
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I believe the surge in retail sales is due to sales of precious metals. That would explain record retail sales while sentiment is bad.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:30 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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Retail sales are not keeping up with inflation.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:32 | Link to Comment MFL8240
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Makes perfect sense in todays world.  People who are not confident about the economy spend more money. lol!

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:33 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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Reality-disreality spread in colorful graphics.  Joy!

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:39 | Link to Comment virgilcaine
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what will they do without the pied piper of electronic items.  develop new gizmo.. display at over hyped corp event.. sheeple stand and applaud and are led out the door to best buy. repeat as necessary.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 13:52 | Link to Comment Esso
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Oooooooooo, are you saying the new iDooDad is out?

Howfastisit?How manygigsisit?Doesithavethelatest&greatestunobtainiumbatteries?WhenisBestBuygoingtostartsellingit?Ooooooooooo,Ican'twait!

Drool. [/sheeple]

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:37 | Link to Comment LoneStarHog
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Two words:  Peak Manipulation

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:39 | Link to Comment rocketboy
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Possibly the hoarding has begun in earnest?

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:39 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Answer; The government is still buying.  

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:40 | Link to Comment digalert
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I'll up you a thousand

DOW 37,000!

...and I have a CNBS tattoo on my ass.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:40 | Link to Comment The Axe
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This is because my neighbors don't pay their mortgage, yet they are all in line at the apple store today, eating lunch at the Chipotle Grill, then going to buy their kids some Uggs. I, however, am enjoying 1/2 of a tuna sandwich.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:08 | Link to Comment ceilidh_trail
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I've got neighbors like that too. Lost their house, kept their late model car, big screen tv's & direct tv whilst living in relatives basement, continue to go to pro baseball and football games... Ain't life grand? Party on dudes!

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:41 | Link to Comment rocketboy
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Possibly the hoarding has begun in earnest?

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:42 | Link to Comment cdude
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How much of the retail "boost" can be attributed to hurricane Irene?

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:43 | Link to Comment LarryC
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Read this for yourself. All increases were seasonal adjustments.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:44 | Link to Comment LarryC
Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:44 | Link to Comment Abitdodgie
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Buy rice , you can eat it , there will be a shortage soon .I live in North Dakota on average the harvest has been down about 30% (not corn) but USDA says we have had a good harvest (bull shit) once they have sold all the food to china they will revise the figures ( around Jan) to say it has not been as good as projected.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:04 | Link to Comment beaker
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Shitty corn yields in MO, too.  Beans ok.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:20 | Link to Comment adr
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I love our globalist corporate farms. Selling out Americans to feed the Chinese because the communists will pay more.

Pretty soon the FDA and the IRS will put every single independent farmer out of business and just like the Ukraine, Americans will be starving next to full field of grain surrounded by fences and armed guards.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 12:34 | Link to Comment kennard
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Split peas are cheap and are high in the limiting amino acids in wheat: lysine, methionine and threonine. Combine this with pasta and you have all the essential amino acids, permitting you to remove expensive animal products from your diet. It'll get you by. So there is the solution to world hunger. I'm surprised that the guns and gold crowd isn't discussing this.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 12:23 | Link to Comment kennard
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x

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:45 | Link to Comment LarryC
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Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:49 | Link to Comment djsmps
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So Jeetner is going to bail out Europe's banks now. http://www.cnbc.com/id/44902075

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:17 | Link to Comment ceilidh_trail
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The German people don't want to pay for Euro bank mistakes so this ASSHOLE decides that Americans should step in and bail 'em out?!? F'ing bastards! Why are the OWS bunch not all over this? F'ing tools. I guess I'm a sucker too, as all I can do is gripe on a keyboard as I have a family to feed...

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:00 | Link to Comment WoodMizer
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The shit is gonna hit the fan! I need get the new IPhone, so I can save myself.

I love Amerikan reasoning.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 10:59 | Link to Comment Smiddywesson
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How much of that rise is accountable in people buying guns and ammo? Sturm Ruger stock skyrocketed last year. Most guns are between $200-$500. That's a whole lot of discretionary income for most families.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:03 | Link to Comment beaker
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Mean-reversion, anyone?

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:10 | Link to Comment jtlien
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If your current job is looking like it is going to go over a precipice

it is best to go out and finance that car loan now so that you will at

least have wheels when TSHTF.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:13 | Link to Comment the grateful un...
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first they outsource the workers

then they outsource the consumers

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:14 | Link to Comment JPM Hater001
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I am in the Long Term Care industry as a wholesaler and on a peer call it was commented that sales are down in the last month or so.  They blamed it on everything under the sun except the economy.  I forwarded this.

Was I the only one that remembered 2008?

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:15 | Link to Comment the grateful un...
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your consumers probably can't remember what they had for breakfast

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:16 | Link to Comment adr
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I really don't understand how seasonal adjustments work. It makes no sense.

If consumers spent $10 in August and spent $8 in September, how can you adjust spending to $11 in September based on a seasonal adjustment? You can;t just make up money that wasn't there. If a guy spent a dollar he spent a dollar. I guess because of a seasonal adjustment he spent $1.50 even though he only had $1 in his wallet.

That is actually exactly what happened.

Only in US economics can spending less actually count as spending more.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:18 | Link to Comment rosiescenario
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One is measured in $$$ the other is based on people interviewed; therefore, what we are seeing is further evidence that a few have most of the $$$$.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:20 | Link to Comment Snakeeyes
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One month doesn't equal recovery. Consumer gloom (mostly about housing) AND import prices rose 13.4% YOY. Now THAT will add to consumer gloom!

http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com

 

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:26 | Link to Comment andyupnorth
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On a similar topic, I would love for Tyler or someone to look into this:

Look at the Baltic Dry Index over the past five years, and comparing it to the DOW or TSX. It seems to have been nicely correlated up until August 2010, where they diverge drastically.

It really resembles the confidence vs. sales presented above...

So what's the root cause? What happened in mid 2010? Was it QE?

I just want to know in order to get a glimpse of the future and invest accordingly...

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:31 | Link to Comment reason_1
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Binge bling buying before filing for bk.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:35 | Link to Comment Tuco Benedicto ...
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Crack up Boom:

This first stage of the inflationary process may last for many years. While it lasts, the prices of many goods and services are not yet adjusted to the altered money relation. There are still people in the country who have not yet become aware of the fact that they are confronted with a price revolution which will finally result in a considerable rise of all prices, although the extent of this rise will not be the same in the various commodities and services. These people still believe that prices one day will drop. Waiting for this day, they restrict their purchases and concomitantly increase their cash holdings. As long as such ideas are still held by public opinion, it is not yet too late for the government to abandon its inflationary policy.

But then, finally, the masses wake up. They become suddenly aware of the fact that inflation is a deliberate policy and will go on endlessly. A breakdown occurs. The crack-up boom appears. Everybody is anxious to swap his money against ‘real’ goods, no matter whether he needs them or not, no matter how much money he has to pay for them. Within a very short time, within a few weeks or even days, the things which were used as money are no longer used as media of exchange. They become scrap paper. Nobody wants to give away anything against them.

 

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:36 | Link to Comment Nobody For President
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When folks get depressed, the depressed go shopping!

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:52 | Link to Comment the grateful un...
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The non-M1 components of M2 are primarily household holdings of savings deposits, time deposits, and retail money market mutual funds. bullandbearwise.com

 

just guessing that this component of M2 is being counted (perhaps against consumer debt), we know M2 is parabolic, because the FED parks money in M2, and now Euro-M2. Otherwise these numbers make no sense. this is wildly speculative, FED parks money in M2, the stats people count all debt vs all assets and come up with their number?

someone said government is buying, well this is one way for them to buy consumer debt, at least on paper, pump up MM funds.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 11:56 | Link to Comment ian807
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I don't have to ask my grandparents to recognize Stalinist numbers when I see them. I can gin up numbers too. They mean  just about as much as the patterns of sheep livers, but don't cook as well.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 12:17 | Link to Comment s2man
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That's 5 votes for preping and 4 for inflation

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 12:37 | Link to Comment zerozam
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cooking the books + bull trap?

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:06 | Link to Comment Blackface
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What inflation? Groupthink gone wrong for how many consecutive years now?  I just got free Sunday ticket bitches- how about that for deflation.  And $5 footlongs, come on people.  Clothing is cheap as shit now, except for the idiot paying a grand for a scarf.  Quik Trip sodas are a steal now.  For 59c, holy shit you can get a lot of soda.  

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 14:51 | Link to Comment skunzie
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This chart makes perfect sense to me.  Consumers know that the economy is tanking, so now is the best time to buy stuff, knowing that very, very soon our money will be worthless.  Could be people are wising up to the coming disaster and stocking the pantry.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 16:07 | Link to Comment Alpha Monkey
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Which will signal increased demand, which signals increased pricing, which signals increased production, which causes prices on everything to increase, which compounds price increases, which tells people to get more while they can, which leads to out of stock basic necessities, which leads to panic buying, which leads to... hyperinflation.  Printing not required.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 15:04 | Link to Comment nonplused
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It just means inflation has finally run head into "non-discretionary spending".  Toilet paper must be up.

Next up: misery.  Once you can't afford the "non-discretionary" part of "living", life starts to suck.  Imagine not being able to afford toilet paper.

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 16:15 | Link to Comment Caveman93
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W T F!?

Fri, 10/14/2011 - 17:13 | Link to Comment Eireann go Brach
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The Gap is just folks not paying their mortgage, but even though they are all miserable as fuck they are still spending their money on retail purchases!

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