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The US Has Finally Done It: Mexican Immigrants Become Emigrants

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You know its bad when...the net flow of Mexicans into the US has fallen so much that there is a high probability that it is now in reverse ending around forty years of inward migration. The Pew Hispanic Center notes that the standstill - after more than 12 million current immigrants have entered the US - more than half of whom are illegal - appears to be the result of many factors including a weakened US job and construction market, tougher border enforcement, a rise in deportations, growing dangers associated with border crossing, a long-term decline in Mexico's birth rate, and changing (read perhaps more opportunistic) economic conditions in Mexico (especially if you work at WalMex). This sharp downward trend in net migration has led to the first significant decrease in at least two decades in the number of unauthorized Mexican immigrants living in the U.S. - to 6.1 million in 2011, down from a peak of nearly 7 million in 2007. In the five years from 2005 to 2010, about 1.4m Mexicans immigrated to the US – exactly the same number of Mexican immigrants and their US-born children who quit the US and moved back or were deported to Mexico. By contrast, in the previous five years to 2000 some 3m Mexicans came to the US and fewer than 700,000 left it. It will be interesting to see the spin that the Obama and Romney camps put on this hot-button topic as the 'Dream Act' turns into a nightmare and hardline anti-illegal immigration stances become, well, less relevant as Mexicans become Mexican'ts.

 

Among the report’s key findings:

  • In the five-year period from 2005 to 2010, about 1.4 million Mexicans immigrated to the United States and about 1.4 million Mexican immigrants and their U.S.-born children moved from the United States to Mexico.
  • In the five-year period a decade earlier (1995 to 2000), about 3 million Mexicans had immigrated to the U.S. and fewer than 700,000 Mexicans and their U.S. born-children had moved from the U.S. to Mexico.
  • This sharp downward trend in net migration has led to the first significant decrease in at least two decades in the number of unauthorized Mexican immigrants living in the U.S.—to 6.1 million in 2011, down from a peak of nearly 7 million in 2007. Over the same period the number of authorized Mexican immigrants rose modestly, from 5.6 million in 2007 to 5.8 million in 2011.
  • Mexicans now comprise about 58% of the unauthorized immigrants living in the United States. They also account for 30% of all U.S. immigrants. The next largest country of origin for U.S. immigrants, China, accounts for just 5% of the nation’s stock of nearly 40 million immigrants.
  • Apprehensions of Mexicans trying to cross the border illegally have plummeted by more than 70% in recent years, from more than 1 million in 2005 to 286,000 in 2011—a likely indication that fewer unauthorized immigrants are trying to cross. This decline has occurred at a time when funding in the U.S. for border enforcement—including more agents and more fencing—has risen sharply.
  • As apprehensions at the border have declined, deportations of unauthorized Mexican immigrants—some of them picked up at work or after being arrested for other criminal violations—have risen to record levels. In 2010, nearly 400,000 unauthorized immigrants—73% of them Mexicans—were deported by U.S. authorities.
  • Although most unauthorized Mexican immigrants sent home by U.S. authorities say they plan to try to return, a growing share say they will not try to come back to the U.S. According to a survey by Mexican authorities of repatriated immigrants, 20% of labor migrants in 2010 said they would not return, compared with just 7% in 2005.
  • Looking back over the entire span of U.S. history, no country has ever sent as many immigrants to this country as Mexico has in the past four decades. However, when measured not in absolute numbers but as a share of the immigrant population at the time, immigration waves from Germany and Ireland in the late 19th century equaled or exceeded the modern wave from Mexico.

 

and the full report is here:

Mexicants - Reverse Immigration

 

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Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:26 | 2369757 Capitalist
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Good thing they built those fences on the border. Now the government can keep the Americans in!

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:35 | 2369784 GetZeeGold
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Welcome to the Banana Republic.

 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:36 | 2369805 Winston Churchill
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BENana Republic.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:42 | 2369835 WhyDoesItHurtWh...
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Ben nanny

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:48 | 2369865 Comay Mierda
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they dont want to be thrown in the debtor prisons

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2132973/Breast-cancer-survivor-h...

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:59 | 2369931 Stackers
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Hogwash. You can not be arrested or imprisoned over debts in the u.S.. The idiot in the artcl probably did not show up for a civil law suit hearing filed by the collection agency and then had a warrant issued for failure to appear. Big difference. All you have to do is go into court and the judge will either set-up payments or force you into bankruptcy. But you do have to show up for court.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:10 | 2369968 Shocker
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You know the US unemployment is a problem, when Mexican Immigrants are not coming here. That is one of the main reasons to come here.

Time are definitely interesting for everyone

 

http://www.dailyjobcuts.com

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Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:16 | 2369991 Oh regional Indian
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Since no one said it yet..

Hasta La Vista Baby!

At least they have somewhere to go, eh? Good folk, all the Mexicanos I interacted with in the US. HArd working, sincere, lively folk. And a shitty, shitty life to boot. 

Now the interesting thing is, who'll pick the APPLES in WA? Who'll scrub the Pools in LA? Who'll mow the lawns in Sunnyvale? 

I believe the next wave of immigrants are Polish nurses.

Good luck America!

ori

CULTURES DO NOT MIX

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:30 | 2370048 Taint Boil
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LOL  - can’t wait till y'all need some meat processing plant workers, sod layers, etc., etc. and all the other stuff Tyrone and Shanice won’t do. Careful what you wish for it might come true.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:40 | 2370069 NewWorldOrange
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Wish for? Who's wishing? I hate to see them leave. People should be able to go wherever they want and do whatever they want so long as they don't commit force or fraud. They shouldn't need anyone's permission to cross a border. And there is NO WAY that Mexican immigrants have cost the U.S. more for social services than they've contributed to our economy with their hard work. We'd be lucky to have more Mexicans AND Asians!

If Marrion Barry reads this, I'll be Zimmermanned for sure.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:42 | 2370095 Colombian Gringo
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Hasta Luego, Gringos de Mierda!

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:15 | 2370216 hedgeless_horseman
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Will they still receive their UC tuition checks once they are back in Mexitco?  Distance learning and all that?

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:27 | 2370267 Richard Chesler
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Pinche dollar don't buy tacos and burritos!

 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 13:30 | 2370522 DaveyJones
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we don't need know stinking dollars

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 20:55 | 2371991 mophead
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Pendejos gringos. Escogieron Obama. Ahora no tienen libertad, el dolar es como un peso viejo, guardias en los aeropuertos con sus dedos metidos in tus culos, inoculaciones que hacen el publico mas estupidos de lo que ya son, etc, etc. Jaja, pendejos! Ahora si se chingaron! Revolucion Gringos, Revolucion!

 

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 01:35 | 2372489 akak
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Soy de acuerdo contigo en todos respectos.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:29 | 2370279 Bananamerican
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y buenos suerte culo payaso

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 15:49 | 2371239 LFMayor
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exactly.  We should take all the politicians and their vote garden section 8 cheese eaters and ship their asses to Mexico and keep the people who'll at least work for a living.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 00:50 | 2372443 Cole Younger
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So you want slave labor...correct? In California alone, it is estimated to cost the state 12 billion a year in total services and incarceration. Now you may want free and open borders to capitalize on cheap labor but I prefer we have some back ground on those who come here. We don't need to import drug cartel's and criminal elements like rapist do we? Use some common sense instead of greed or some political agenda. The U.S. as a whole is no different than your personal home. I am sure you do at least a gut check on a person before you invite them in your house.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:34 | 2370064 Taint Boil
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Most of the Mexicans I know are very clean hard working people. Some of the worst pieces of trash that I have meet are white.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:53 | 2370133 NewWorldOrange
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As a white guy I just have to say. Please don't judge us all based on the actions of Bernanke, Geithner, George Bush, Cheney, Soros, Pelosi, Romney, Santorum, or any of the other putrid pieces of shit that mostly our fellow white citizens vote for. Oh, and I forgot that wigger Obama.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 13:35 | 2370539 Tarheel
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STFU you stupid piece of shit.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 13:52 | 2370614 NewWorldOrange
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Awwww...some redneck wigger in NC got all offended.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 17:28 | 2371636 tamboo
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theyre a buncha heeb infiltrators who want you to think theyre white.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:15 | 2370214 pazmaker
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Yes yes yes we know.....All Mexicans are humble simple people who don't drive drunk without a license flee accidents and don't steal someone else's social security number to use to work and they all work really really hard!

 

I'm amazed at how many people on ZH buy all the stereotypes

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:31 | 2370277 NewWorldOrange
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You mean the stereotype that they drive drunk, flee accidents, and "steal" ss numbers? LMAO!

No need to "buy a stereotype." Mexicans have worked for and with me for a few decades. I've seem 'em in action. The stereotype of a very hard working Mexican is based on reality, as are most steroetypes.

Last time I checked, blacks were committing far more crimes, and whites were committing far BIGGER crimes. Skilling Corzine, and Madoff probably cost Americans more money and misery than every illegal Mexican worker combined.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:36 | 2370312 Bananamerican
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"Mexicans have worked for and with me for a few decades."

"Best low wage slaves I ever had"

"She was beautiful! She was young, she was innocent. She was the greatest piece of ass I've ever had, and I've had 'em all over the world"

Guess what NWO...Amerika got plum filled up with so many noble hard working peasants that the wave has begun to roll back to that corrupt head-chopping "latino" paradise, Mejixco

-Chamber Of Commerce

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 13:55 | 2370624 NewWorldOrange
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Awwww... another out-of-work dumbass who can't compete with Mexicans or even just find other work, got all offended. Poor lil' fella.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:39 | 2370313 pazmaker
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I am Latino,  and I also have hired and assisted the Latino community for years.  I assisted with ESL Classes and immigration paperwork as well as file taxes.   The comment I made is about illegal immigrants  regardless if they are mexican chinese or honduran  (unless they work for cash) they can not  work without a social security nimber, or did you think an illegal alien can walk into a social security office and say,  "I'd like a social security number please" 

an illegal alien can no longer obtain a driver license and very difficult too unless they purchased the id and ss# of a puerto rican for example.     So yes most illegals now drive without a driver's license and without insurance so when they get into an accident they normally flee the country.

illegals apply for a TIN number since they can't use the social security number that was stolen and sold to them on the black market to file their taxes.

 

So New World Orange I've seen plenty

 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 13:17 | 2370431 Bananamerican
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i live in SoCal and still remember the EXPLOSION of Mexis that happened during the housing bubble years...It was like "Where did all these fucking peasants come from???" and I mean PEASANTS.

Fat, crude, obnoxious, ARROGANT(?!?), Proud(!!??), racist, leering, corrupt, drunken, pig ignorant, scofflaw peasants. They told themselves "We didn't run away from mexico, unable to even make it in the vast black labor market there. No. We are BACK in our ancestral homeland!! Si, se puede!! Viva La Raza!! etc". They created Monocultures in the exurbs of L.A., instantly transforming large swaths of "America" into dysfunctional replicas of the self-created mexican hellhole they'd just escaped from!!

There ARE fewer of them out and about these days. I wish I could thank my own government for that but the fact is that fascist amerika stood by while "insourcing" happened unimpeded at the behest of the Chamber of Commerce with the aid of racist "latino" politcal lobbies/orgs and their liberal enablers. That door still hangs wide open while amerikan citizens; teens, the elderly, the ill-educated, blacks, etc. lay there with zapatos tracks up and down their backs.

The Ponzi influx has taken a hit but the majority of Park Maintenance in my city is STILL done by Mexis...low cost "minority owned" CONTRACTED labor (the dirty little "dont ask, dont tell" secret of city managers everywhere in amerika these days)

 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 13:57 | 2370634 lemonobrien
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we're all slaves.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 21:23 | 2372037 mophead
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Bananamerican,

 

"Viva La Raza!! etc"

You're a bigot and it's obvious. I've worked with more Hispanics, most of which were Mexican, than you could ever meet in your lifetime. Not one of them has ever mentioned La Raza. In fact, I only learned about La Raza back in the early 00's through a racist website. This is a false stereo-type. The vast majority are pro American.

As for the other nonsense:

"Fat, crude, obnoxious, ARROGANT(?!?), Proud(!!??)"

Actually, you just described the appearance and attitude of millions of Americans.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 21:11 | 2372018 mophead
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Pendejo!

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:34 | 2370299 Head_Shots_Work
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Uh - yeah - and don't them seem to have a murder problem down there?  They don't seem all that nice to each other - why would they care about shooting a whitey?

It sounds like Bernanke's plan to 'kill the host' is working. It drives out the parasites. Unfortunately all we're going to be left with is a bunch of crack head assholes that haven't worked since the 80's. Please come back y'all! (let's just make sure they aren't armed - oh -wait - our attorney general is taking care of that - we're all safe now!).

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 16:26 | 2371349 Papasmurf
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Exactly.  That's why the got the hell out of Dodge.  They left here in 2008.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 13:44 | 2370585 Campagnolo
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white folks are just barbarians...they came from caves. Mexicans came from one of the greatest civilizations ever: Mayas. There is a giant difference there.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 14:50 | 2370899 Are you kidding
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Hmmm...and right now, how are the Mayans doing and how are the barbarians doing?

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 14:58 | 2370950 Kobe Beef
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White folks also invented almost every piece of technology you're using to talk shit about them here. So curse us in Mayan, you ignorant fuck.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 21:56 | 2372091 Captain Planet
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the ignorant schmuck is you and others who do not understand the significance of the technological innovations the Mayans gave to human civilization.

The depth of their knowledge is lightyears beyond what your beefbrain holds. 

maybe you know a thing or two now about an NWO orchastrated take down, but you know zilch about where lunar calendars came from,, which city had running water nearly a millenia (and maybe more) before the white man, courier mail service long before a pre-European thought of the Silk Road. 

The cultures of pre-european influence where in large part (though by no means exclusivley) some of the most egalitarian, intellectual and peaceful societies ever to exist. 

Hows that Greek experiment in Democracy going? Oh, nevermind.

Go read a book. I suggest 1491 by Charles C. Mann. 

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 02:48 | 2372565 Kobe Beef
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Wow, good for them, running water. Off the top of my head, Romans, Greeks, Chinese, Japanese, Egyptians, Harappans, Scythians and Sumerians all had that as well, some nearly a millenia before your precious Maya. And yet, for all the "depth of their knowledge", The Mayans never made it out of the Bronze age. Never domesticated an animal, never rolled a wheel, never sailed a ship.

Lunar calendars? Wow, I've got one on my watch. Made in Switzerland. Those damn white people again. The same ones who went to the moon. But I suppose having a calendar trumps that.

"The cultures of pre-european influence where in large part (though by no means exclusivley) some of the most egalitarian, intellectual and peaceful societies ever to exist."

PC bullshit. Rousseau's "noble savage" is an utter hoax. I suppose it has served its orignal purpose, which was to discredit european colonialism in the minds of rubes. The Olmecs, Teotihuacans, Zapotecs, Mixtecs, Mayans, Aztecs, and miscellaneous Nahua peoples were hardly egalitarian and peaceful. Unless you count being ruled by warlords and conducting human sacrifice egalitarian and peaceful.

I've got a degree in Anthropology. I've read most of the books. I did fieldwork in central Mexico. The salient point I gathered from my experience is how far the Cultural Marxist Academic Regime is willing to stretch the archaeological facts to suit their "Europeans bad, everybody else good" fallacy.

You know, kind of like what you tried to do here, you disingenous schmuck.

 

 

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 12:25 | 2373760 DOT
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The Swiss went to the moon ?

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:44 | 2370101 Taint Boil
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And don’t forget ……

In 2009, the last year for which figures are available, employers reported wages of $72.8 billion for 7.7 million workers who could not be matched to legal Social Security numbers.

That total hit a record $90.4 billion, earned by 10.8 million workers, in 2007, just before the recession. Some of those were legal workers who simply made paperwork mistakes, but the majorities are believed to be illegal immigrants.

Google it

OK,  I'm done

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:55 | 2370388 Silveramada
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Mexi-gones sorry this was not the land you would expect from all the Holliwood propaganda BS movies...no jobs/$/freedom here anymore..

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:58 | 2370398 Forward History
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The fact that there were some benefits to having under the table labor, doesn't justify propping up an unsustainable system of abuse, or shitting in the face of the rule of law.

And it is abuse -- to those that are abused trying to cross the border illegally -- to those that are doing their time navigating our broken immigration system.

Reliance on illegal labor is as dangerous as the Roman Republic's reliance on slave labor. If you really want to see what that did to their own economy when it petered out, feel free to start your research. Here's a hint: it wasn't sustainable. And in Rome, at least slaves were legal!

There's a very real danger in propping up so much economic activity on a shadow labor pool.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:32 | 2370291 SemperFord
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Unemployment is worse than they say, go to some Home Depots in L.A. and you will see African Americans and maybe one "white" person looking to be picked for for manual labor. Guess some of those Mexicans have said, have at it...

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 15:54 | 2371254 LFMayor
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you know it's bad if they're looking to work!  THE END IS NEAR

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:14 | 2369983 bank guy in Brussels
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They have many different ways to jail you for debt in the US

One example of what can happen to YOU there in America

Beatty Chadwick was jailed in the US for 14 years - no conviction, no criminal charges - for 'contempt of court' - the judge imagined he had money hidden somewhere to pay his ex-wife and the divorce lawyers

Chadwick said he had no money hidden overseas etc

Stayed in jail for 14 years ... filed many Appeals ... no one let him out till he was a broken elderly senior citizen 14 years later ...

US judges do whatever the hell they want

There is no 'law' ... US judges jail people when bribed or for sheer sadism ... the Appeals judges don't let people out ... the media doesn't cover the stories ... so Americans think their courts are like on TV or in Hollywood movies or like they were told in schoolbooks

You have 2.3 million prison and around 1 million at least in slave labour for 95 cents an hour or something so they can buy prison toilet paper and toothpaste ... But you don't see this on television

Smart European businessmen know - don't do business in America, and do NOT trust American courts

Americans need to wake up about this

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:20 | 2370000 Chupacabra-322
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There are no Judges.  They're Administrators which preside "Under The Color of Law" but really presider over an inforce UCC (Universl Commercial Code) for the State.  Get it.  We're all Dedt Slaves to the State. 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:28 | 2370039 Oh regional Indian
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Superb observations both.

The terrible truth is that the Prison Polulation in the US is a Slave Labour Force for Corporate America.

79 Cents/hr Amigos! No rights....

It's a shitty, crummy, cruel business.... what do they cal it? Corrections?

Corrections? Hmmmmmm.... That is how a Japanese person would say it.

ori

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:38 | 2370080 Chupacabra-322
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@ Oh regional Indian,

Here's another keen observation.  It's not The Consitiution Of The United States it really is/was The Constitution For The United States.  It's not THE UNITED STATES, but actually The United States of America. 

And don't get me started on the whole how you're openly sold and on Wall Street and the World Markets as slaves through you birth certificate.  The Ponzi has no end.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:44 | 2370103 Oh regional Indian
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Yup yup Chupa. All familiar. To many here actually.

But yet, most here still believe that the only real "conspiracy" is in Gold/Money. 

It's a fractal world...

hey-america/

ori

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:34 | 2370304 Canaduh
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Is there anywhere I can buy a $500 DVD set to explain this all to me?

 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:42 | 2370332 Thisson
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Dont bother.  They are idiots and conspiracy nuts.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:57 | 2370393 Canaduh
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Your chakras must not be aligned. That's ok, because when the Earth enters the universal energy band and the vortexes transmorgify themselves, your third eye will awaken. Or something like that. That will be $100 for the consultation.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:57 | 2370151 NewWorldOrange
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Most inmates in U.S. prisons aren't paid ANYTHING. Just sayin'

from the department of corrections

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 15:56 | 2371263 LFMayor
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slave labour.  For licsense plates?

what exactly else do these "slaves" build?  Oh.. lockers.  I have seen gym lockers, too.

But i agree prisons are wasteful and inhumane. 

We would still be using the stocks and the noose if it weren't for those dumbass pacifist quakers.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:41 | 2370327 Thisson
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This is the most moronic comment I've read today.  The UCC is basically just a bunch of default rules governing contracts unless those contracts contain provisions to change the default rules.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 13:50 | 2370604 Buckaroo Banzai
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You misunderstand the real issue with the UCC. The UCC is based on Admiralty law (law of the sea), unlike Common Law, which is the law of the land.

By moving the UCC onto land, and expanding its scope via the Supreme Court grotesque interpretation of the Interstate Commerce Clause, the court system is being transformed from common law to admiralty law.

Admiralty law is authoritarian by definition (the captain of the ship is its absolute master), common law is libertarian.

That is how they are crushing liberty.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 14:32 | 2370786 Chupacabra-322
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@ Buckaroo Banzai, 

You're SPOT ON!  Very well explained.  I might add, when they ask you in court “how do you plea?” they are attempting to CONTRACT with your LEGAL FICTION,STRAWMAN,ALL CAPS NAME VERSION OF YOU. From my research some people have been successful with “I don’t plea, wish to “contract.” I demand common law jurisdiction, I waive all benefits.” Don’t let them plea for you, they cant, only you or you representative can. All courts are CONTRACT COURTS, AND JUDGES ARE EXECUTIVE ADMINISTRATORS OF THE CORPORATION, NOT JUDGES.

Many individuals can't fathom the fact of how they've been lied to in the indocrination centers (Pulic Schools and University's).  Their intellectual ignorance pervents them from asking questions and having critical thinking skills.  They've been socially engineered by the system and same Elite which own the systems.  Hence, they enslave themselves without ever knowing it's being done to them.  Makes them more efficient Slaves/Debt Slaves to the Corportate Oligarch's.  Here are some links. 

http://www.barefootsworld.net/admiralty.html

http://www.serendipity.li/jsmill/us_corporation.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVsMUpPgdT0

http://dev.republicoftheunitedstates.org/what-is-the-republic/history/



Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:22 | 2370015 MachoMan
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well, do they think they're going to get a better chance elsewhere to receive a fair civil trial should one of their savvy euro business deals go south?

How many of these savvy europeans end up in jail over here on the myriad of bullshit charges that keep the 2 million folks in jail?

lawyer up and stfu...

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:23 | 2370017 GeneMarchbanks
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There are laws, they're just not enforced is all. Why? On the rare occasion these laws aren't written by the very corporation they're supposed to restrict, the so called officials turn a blind eye.

The same attitude adopted across the entire population. Sopsistic collectivism, a cult of The Self.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:30 | 2370047 Oh regional Indian
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Not true Gene.

 

There are no Judicial courts in America and there has not been since 1789. Judges do not enforce Statutes and Codes. Executive Administrators enforce Statutes and Codes. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428, 1 Stat. 138-178)

ori

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:45 | 2370066 GeneMarchbanks
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Who's talking about judges? Regulators, accountants, etc etc. If you have to see a judge the matter is already over anyway.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:41 | 2370091 Chupacabra-322
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@ Oh regional Indian,

BINGO!  Give that man a ceegar. 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:47 | 2370346 Thisson
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Will you please STOP with this idiocy?  The case you cite (FRC v GE) is about the renewal of a Radio License.  Of course that is handled by an administrative agency, the Federal Radio Commission.  Yet when disputes arise concerning the administrative process, litigation can proceed in a court of law and is handled by judged (no, not administrators).  Here is a DIRECT QUOTE from the case:

"We think it plain from this re sume of the pertinent parts of the act that the powers confided to the commission respecting the granting and renewal of station licenses are purely administrative, and that the provision for appeals to the Court of Appeals does no more than make that court a superior and revising agency in the same field. The court's province under that provision is essentially the same as its province under the legislation which up to a recent date permitted appeals to it from administrative decisions of the Commissioner of Patents.1 Indeed, the provision in the act of 1927 is patterned largely *468 after that legislation. And while a few differences are found, there is none that is material here."

Fed. Radio Comm'n v. Gen. Elec. Co., 281 U.S. 464, 468, 50 S. Ct. 389, 390, 74 L. Ed. 969 (1930). NOW PLEASE SHUT THE HELL UP.

 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 14:49 | 2370849 Chupacabra-322
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I understand you plight.  I've been there my self.  It's difficult to break the MindControl you're under.  Even if the facts are presented, the oridinary individual will still suffer from Stockholm Syndrome.  You're a Slave.  Accept it.  I have.  You lose all credibility with name calling and insults.  Break the cycle. 

From a speech in Congress in The Bankruptcy of the United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993, Vol. 33, page H-1303, Speaker Representative James Trafficant Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House states:

“…It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m session June 5, 1933 – Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only.

The receivers of the United States Bankruptcy are the International Bankers, via the United Nations, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. All United States Offices, Officials, and Departments are now operating within a de facto status in name only under Emergency War Powers. With the Constitutional Republican form of Government now dissolved, the receivers of the Bankruptcy have adopted a new form of government for the United States. This new form of government is known as a Democracy, being an established Socialist/Communist order under a new governor for America. This act was instituted and established by transferring and/or placing the Office of the Secretary of Treasury to that of the Governor of the International Monetary Fund. Public Law 94-564, page 8, Section H.R. 13955 reads in part: “The U.S. Secretary of Treasury receives no compensation for representing the United States…

Prior to 1913, most Americans owned clear, allodial title to property, free and clear of any liens of mortgages until the Federal Reserve Act (1913) “Hypothecated” all property within the Federal United States to the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve, in which the Trustees (stockholders) held legal title. The U.S. Citizen (tenant, franchisee) was registered as a “beneficiary” of the trust via his/her birth certificate. In 1933, the Federal United States hypothecated all of the present and future properties, assets, and labor of their “subjects,” the 14th Amendment U.S. Citizen to the Federal Reserve System. In return, the Federal Reserve System agreed to extend the federal United States Corporation all of the credit “money substitute” it needed.

Like any debtor, the Federal United States government had to assign collateral and security to their creditors as a condition of the loan. Since the Federal United States didn’t have any assets, they assigned the private property of their “economic slaves,” the U.S. Citizens, as collateral against the federal debt. They also pledged the unincorporated federal territories, national parks, forests, birth certificates, and nonprofit organizations as collateral against the federal debt. All has already been transferred as payment to the international bankers.

Unwittingly, America has returned to its pre-American Revolution feudal roots whereby all land is held by a sovereign and the common people had no rights to hold allodial title to property. Once again, We the People are the tenants and sharecroppers renting our own property from a Sovereign in the guise of the Federal Reserve Bank. We the People have exchanged one master for another.”

  • In 1944, Washington D.C. was deeded to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) by the Breton Woods Agreement. The IMF is made up of wealthy people that own most of the banking industries of the world. It is an organized group of bankers that have taken control of most governments of the world so the bankers run the world. Congress, the IRS, and the President work for the IMF. The IRS is not a U.S. government agency. It is an agency of the IMF. (Diversified Metal Products v. IRS et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I., Public Law 94-564, Senate Report 94-1148 pg. 5967, Reorganization Plan No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)

http://dev.republicoftheunitedstates.org/what-is-the-republic/history/

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:33 | 2370057 Ratscam
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Martin Armstrong another example of the many

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:32 | 2369999 BlueCollaredOne
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http://www.dailypaul.com/227302/if-you-owe-taxes-to-irs-you-cannot-leave...

 

The first step is the hardest one, and it appears that step has been made.  If I owed 50k and was told I cannot leave the country I would feel imprisoned in a sense.  It will eventually snowball into more freedoms being taken away, as it always does.  Taking away freedoms is the only thing that passes in congresses nowadays. 

 

Would you have believed me if I told you 15 years ago that whomever is president could blackbag arrest you?

Dont be a frog in the pot saying the water still feels comfortable

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:46 | 2370106 Raymond Reason
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"The idiot in the artcl probably did not show up for a civil law suit hearing filed by the collection agency and then had a warrant issued for failure to appear."

Which is Contempt of Court.  But the same charge can be used for a multitude of sins.  For example, failure to disclose assets, and whatever else the judge deems to be contempt.  Thats the problem with putting money in Perth Mint, where they say it is beyond the reach of the US govt....the ole Contempt of Court gotcha. 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:52 | 2370138 Whiner
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What is likely happening here is that debtors are not showing up to give a post-judgment deposition to discover assets, even after being ordered to do so in the civil action. And they don't pay the damn creditors legal expense for the missed deposition, so after a couple of rounds of this shit the Judge finally orders them picked up for civil contempt. Many small claims courts are run on filing fees and are sympathetic to creditors. Remedy: bankruptcy or get out of town.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:57 | 2370152 TuPhat
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Tell that to Madoff.  Didn't he owe a lot of people money?

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:10 | 2370190 knightowl77
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Or Corzine....$1.6 Trillion in customer money is missing, and he is still one Obummer's biggest bundlers of campaign cash....more than $500,000.00...he mislaid it....and then found a whole new stash from which to contribute...simply amazing

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:43 | 2369972 The Big Ching-aso
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Illegals will go where the gettin's better.  If Mexico gettin's better then even American's will head there in droves.     Come to think of it, let Mexico deal with educating a bunch of English-only's and see what it does for their public school budgets.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:05 | 2370170 NewWorldOrange
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Mexico, south of the border region, is AWESOME. I'm a perpetual traveler myself and after Costa Rica it is my favorite place. A lot more civil, affordable, and all around better lifestyle than many American cities for example Detroit. Mexicans are going to college now, in Mexico, in vast numbers. A heck of a lot of Americans are moving there lately.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:50 | 2370363 Thisson
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Sure, because comparing Mexico to Detroit is really fair. /sarcasm

Otherwise, yes, there are nice areas in Mexico, but the amount of corruption there is even higher than in the US.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 15:08 | 2371019 Kobe Beef
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At least Detroit's still nicer than Kinshasa or Mogadishu. Right?

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 15:57 | 2371268 LFMayor
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LOL.  Something about common denominators?

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:32 | 2372162 FeralSerf
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Corruption higer than the U.S.?  How many countries have they invaded to steal their oil?  How many people have they killed in foreign countries with their bombs?  How many foreign politicians have they bribed like the CIA has and how big were the bribes?

 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:50 | 2369886 Pladizow
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Rome part 2!

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:55 | 2369908 Stoploss
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Ahh, i found it.. It's the Moleeeeena..

 

The Moleeeena is broke, so no free healthcare.

Cheaper in Mexico anyway.

The difference between Mexican healthcare and American healthcare is, in Mexico, they treat you with respect.

Here, i would rather deal with the popo, than go to a "doctor".

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:52 | 2370132 Oh regional Indian
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Seriously Stoploss. One morning, when an over-eager gym instructor pushed me too far on "rowing", I woke up thinking I was paralyzed below the waist. Back had given, completely. (In Hartford CT, geo-located).

I called my "In Network" doctor's office for help.

The lady on the phone said the doctor could give me an appointment in three weeks. But she also told me I could call Emergency Services if I wanted to.

Enough said.

ori

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:13 | 2370201 NewWorldOrange
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I recently called every dentist in a good sized U.S. city. Couldn't get in for EIGHT MONTHS. So I went to Mexico City and got what I needed the day after I arrived.

Once ObamaSickCare kicks in, the waits are going to be FAR, FAR longer.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:33 | 2370297 Oh regional Indian
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I believe you, and bythe way, resonate generally with your perspective.

Empathy is quite dead and a lot of that deadness can be seen right here on ZH too.

ori

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:44 | 2370337 NewWorldOrange
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B-b-but isn't everyone here a very special snowflake?

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:44 | 2370338 GeneMarchbanks
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Technology and the automated lifestyle inhibits feeling after a while. The basic premise is that pressing a button cannot be as harmful as hitting someone or expressing anger. End result is an emotionally dead subhuman directing drone attacks. Soon even the subhuman won't be needed.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:25 | 2370262 DosZap
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The difference between Mexican healthcare and American healthcare is, in Mexico, they treat you with respect.

 

Sure they do, try and buy property in Mexico, or get citizenship..............................open your own business.....NEVER happen GI.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:37 | 2370318 SemperFord
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Done and Done...Go to Mexico City, San Miguel De Allende, tons of "White Americans" and Europeans...Life is different and for those worried about crime, you really don't have to fear cops or much else unless you are in the drug trade. Cops here will shoot you for any reason, I would hate to be black here(no racism intended).

 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:42 | 2370333 NewWorldOrange
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Buying property in Mexico is as easy as buying it in the U.S. even if you're not a legal resident there. Getting citizenship there is a lot easier for Americans than in most nations. Opening a business, if you have the capital and will be employing Mexicans? Easy as pie and they WANT you to. You'll have to bribe everyone along the way but that's just the cost of doing business there. I know all of this to be true from my own experience and the experiences of numerous friends and relatives.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:38 | 2372184 FeralSerf
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At least the bribes there are affordable.  Bribes are necessary in the U.S. for many businesses too.  They just don't call them that and if you're not extremely wealthy, you can't afford it.  Keeps out the riff-raff competitors though.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:44 | 2369855 Dr. Richard Head
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I guess all of those wire transfer services at your local Quickie-Mart go both ways.  Would love to see the data on cash wire transfer in-flows vs. out-flows.  I would imagine Pesos are coming into the US instead of DUHllors going out.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:47 | 2369864 Born Patriot
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This is not over yet. These assholes think they can just walk on in here without any consequences. We need to bring back freedom of association to end multiculturalism once and for all. Vote RON PAUL 2012.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:59 | 2369926 DaveyJones
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These assholes think they can just walk on out of here without supporting our underground economy, agriculture and food sector services

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:59 | 2370156 blu
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WHere I live, the Mexicans (legal and otherwise) take the jobs the whites and blacks will not. The latter have legal access to UE, disability, SS and the like, the Mexicans have to work the fields, or crappy restaurant jobs. Of course the ones making out like bandits are the (mostly white) property owners and retail sector, who use the Mexican labor in a way the whites and blacks would protest as well they should. Also those using illegal labor pay fewer taxes (none actually) and no benefits and any time they want to reduce head count they send people packing, knowing that if they need more people in a few days there will have been a line of willing workers formed outside the back door the whole time.

The proplem is not the Mexicans, legal or illegal. It never was. The problem was always the rich land owners looking for cheap labor to work their fields (or any labor at all in some places). And the problem is 99 week unemployment benefits, that turn into life time disability benefits (the state is now accepting "stress" as a valid reason to receive disability, though after 99 weeks being unemployed it might be a valid claim). Until we can solve these two issues we will continue to have illegal labor working in America, if only because the work really needs to get done by someone willing to show up and do it.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:36 | 2370238 Lednbrass
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Then wages for those positions will need to rise, period. Either they pay more, or the work doesnt get done and their crops rot. So what? Using illegal invaders to artificially depress labor prices undercuts the entire supply/demand/market concept and if it is necessary to pay more to do it, then that is what must happen.  Keeping them here to depress food prices so the useless urban hordes can eat for cheap and big ag can make more is bullshit.

Glad to see them go, they should have been rounded up and shipped out long ago.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:36 | 2370310 hedgeless_horseman
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Blu says, "The problem was always the rich land owners looking for cheap labor to work their fields (or any labor at all in some places)."

What exactly is the problem with this, Blu? 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 15:16 | 2371069 Kobe Beef
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Umm..maybe you haven't noticed the dysfunctional African-descended population originally imported as cheap labor? Oh wait, diversity is our strength.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:56 | 2370391 Thisson
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More like this: The burden of all the taxation necessary to support our entitlement society and corporate welfare/bailouts has artificially increased the cost of domestic US labor.  Cut taxes and allow real estate prices to plunge and people will be able to earn a higher real income on a lower nominal wage.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 14:01 | 2370650 Taint Boil
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Then wages for those positions will need to rise, period.

 

I don't want to pay $7.00 for a tomato. No work they leave, got work they come ……… seems to be working out OK – go figure

 

 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 22:48 | 2372211 FeralSerf
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You will either need to grow your own tomatoes, get used to the plastic skin, tasteless machine picked tomatoes, or just buy the Chinese packaged ones.

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/387016920/organic_frozen_broccoli.html

It's "organic" too -- no worries of pesticides or any other bad stuff.  You can even get them at Whole Foods.  It's so good they don't even need inspection anymore.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/business/global/14organic.html?pagewan...

Yum!

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 01:19 | 2372477 Lednbrass
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Then get your lazy ass outside, sweat a little bit, and grow some.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 14:34 | 2370795 Freddie
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It is false media lies.  The US is still filled to the brim with illegals getting endless govt benefits.   The whole story is nonsense to make the avg person think that illegals are going home.  Some are but not many.  The media lies.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 16:12 | 2371315 GoldRulesPaperDrools
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SPOT-ON!

 

Been stockin' up on both lead and brass lately, too. ;)

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 14:37 | 2370819 Freddie
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You are a moron.  The illegals are also getting endless benefits.  You have no clue what they get.  Food stamps, welfare, housing allowences, education for their brats at $9,000 a year minimum, SS disability, the list is endless.

This story is more BS propaganda.  They are not leaving.  It is like telling someone they are bleeding to death at a slightly slower rate to make them feel better.  More liberal and RINO lies for the masses.  

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:00 | 2369934 trembo slice
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Your second to last sentence is a contradiction and literally makes no sense.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:22 | 2370014 tmosley
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That is because he is the notoriously obnoxious liberal Red Neck Repugnicant playing with one of his thousands of fake usernames.  You see, he can't make any actual arguments against libertarian policy, so he has to lie and tell people that he is something that he isn't, then act like himself so people will be driven away from that type of policy.

He's a sick, sad little bastard.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:48 | 2370117 Raymond Reason
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That is sick. 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:01 | 2370161 NotApplicable
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It all comes down to the idea that anyone can destroy life, as it's quite easy, requiring only mindless, destructive effort. Creating, and nuturing life however, is much harder, requiring both intelligence and empathy.

 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:07 | 2369956 BlueCollaredOne
Tue, 04/24/2012 - 20:59 | 2371957 New World Chaos
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Born Patriot reloads ZH often and posts these same comments early in new threads.  He is almost certainly a paid psyops troll.  His main goal is to discredit Ron Paul by associating his name with racism, his secondary goal is to scare away noobs who might otherwise learn something from us, and an additional goal is to derail the thread and generally waste our time. 

Whenever anyone sees a fresh post like his, please out his agenda immediately and state that he is not representative of Zero Hedge.  Noobs are not wise to the manipulations of the Dark Side.  They also cannot see junks. 

Disappointed to see him get any up arrows at all.  ZH tinfoilheads shoulda fuckin known fuckin better. 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:18 | 2370221 NewWorldOrange
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RE: 2369864 Born Patriot

Just in case anyone isn't hip to "Born Patriot"... NO RP supporter would ever spew that kind of tripe even if he actually believed it. RP would condemn that statement out of hand. RP is consistently libertarian on all issues, including the right of people to go where they please.

AND TO THOSE WHO VOTED HIM UP, YOU ARE GARBAGE AND THAT'S ALL YOU WILL EVER BE.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:45 | 2370340 Robot Traders Mom
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I have donated far more money to RP and Liberty PAC than probably 99% of people. I have met him and supported him for years.

Just because he has a confederate flag as his pic, doesn't mean what he said was wrong. RP attracts all different walks of life (go to a fundraiser) and you should know this.

What he said is 100% accurate. Multiculturalism is bullshit and has been shoved down our throats for far too long. It has further made us debt slaves and I resent it. This is my own opinion.

Ron Paul 2012.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 13:13 | 2370456 NewWorldOrange
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That's horseshit. 100% true? 50% at best.

"This is not over yet. These assholes think they can just walk on in here without any consequences."

RP would condemn such a statement. RP has ALWAYS supported the libertarian view that people should be free to go where they want, in words and definitely in writings HE HIMSELF PENNED (not unauthorized articles in newsletters bearing his name.)

"We need to bring back freedom of association to end multiculturalism once and for all. Vote RON PAUL 2012."

Agreed, and so would RP. But the total sum of BP's post is one of racial hatred and goes against the libertarian view, shared by RP, that people should be able to travel as they wish. My comment had nothing to do with his flag (I've got no problem with that flag.) His comments are always clearly designed to try to make RP supporters look like racists. No matter which of his many monikers he uses.

If you've contributed more than 99% of folks to RP, kudos. I can honestly say the same. Until recently I lived in his district for years. Ron Paul is the ONLY person I've ever voted for, for any office, ever. I've met him several times, no people who he delivered into this world, have exchanged emails with him (he's pretty good about responding within a few weeks to a thoughtful, well written email when he's not in the midst of an election), and once introduced him as the speaker at an event. I've read most things he's published, and we've been most influenced by mostly the same writers and works. HE WOULD CONDEMNT THAT BP COMMENT. PERIOD. IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU DON'T KNOW JACK ABOUT RON PAUL.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 13:25 | 2370505 Robot Traders Mom
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Alright dude. Of course he wouldn't call anyone an asshole. Of course he would condemn that statement if say, Jesse Benton, said them.

Does that not mean we shouldn't be reimbursed by Mexico and are are going to let it slide? This is a whole other conversation, but just because some of us think there should be repercussions to the Mexican invasion, doesn't mean that we can't support Ron Paul.

IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE CAN SUPPORT SOMEONE AND HAVE DIFFERENT APPROACHES, YOU DON'T KNOW JACK ABOUT RON PAUL.

Fuck, I rarely agree with Dennis Kucinich but I would vote for him based on certain Constitutional principals.

Keep reading dude.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 14:08 | 2370678 NewWorldOrange
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"Be reimbursed by Mexico?" What the hell kind of COLLECTIVIST GARBAGE is that? Do you think white people should reimburse black people for slavery too?

Ron Paul detests COLLECTIVISM more than any other thing. His rejection of that in all its forms is the basis for his world view.

Clearly you don't know jack about Ron Paul. And it's a good thing, or you might not have donated money to him ;)

Look simple minded one. Sure, different people can support a candidate in different ways. Born Patriot does not fit into that category, does not support Ron Paul and is a shill or troll.

Keep studying lil' fella. Start here: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/distinction

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 15:29 | 2371126 Kobe Beef
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So people are free to move wherever they want. Fine, libertarian thinking. But that's only 50% true. You are leaving out the part where libertarians also condemn the welfare state that offers "free benefits" like TANF, EBT, Medicaid, and Cash for Bastards once they arrive. 

So the full 100%: Open borders and no socialist safety net is the libertarian perspective. You cannot pick and choose, unless you want to wind up like California.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 17:52 | 2371687 NewWorldOrange
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No need to "pick and choose." All those socialist programs you listed aren't even on my plate. RP or any true libertarian would open the borders and end all handouts. There would be no gubmint benefits for anyone.

Wed, 04/25/2012 - 02:57 | 2372574 Kobe Beef
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Not on my plate either. But open borders with cradle to grave redistributionism is what we got. And it doesn't work. So close the borders to illegal immigration or end the welfare state.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:49 | 2369879 Buckaroo Banzai
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They were let into this country to undermine the USA's cultural heritage, and turn us into a banana republic.

Mission accomplished. Now that the USA is exactly like their homeland, the illegal immigrant is turning around as there is no longer a benefit to being here.

 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:57 | 2369921 Vince Clortho
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I think the economic objective is the prime reason.  Mexican workers are willing to work for much less than the U.S. Workers they are replacing.  The result has been the lowering of wage structure in various sections of the economy.

The long term goal is a world filled with minimum wage workers (debt slaves) who are utilized by the ruling class much in the same way that a bee hive or ant colony operates.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:09 | 2369954 Buckaroo Banzai
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That is the naive view. The Cultural Marxists have a deeper agenda-- an agenda that has been remarkably successful because they harness the forces of sociopathic corporate greed to do their dirty work.

The Communist Chinese learned how to do the exact same thing in the late 1970s, and started applying it in the 1980s. Same agenda, different starting point, different application of methods, but moving toward the same result: enslaving a population.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:21 | 2370010 NidStyles
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You're a moron.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:56 | 2370144 Oh regional Indian
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And you old chap, are either from a bad public school or an ivy league school.

No one else could be deluded enough to say what you just said.

BB's view is a little crimped, but true.

ori

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:49 | 2370360 Canaduh
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Yes, you are the guy who should determine what's true. You spew more pure bullshit than anyone here except for the trolls.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 14:55 | 2370934 NewWorldOrange
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Yep, and you may even be wrong on that "except for the trolls" thing. The guy has one singular, linear mind, that's for sure. Downright reptillian.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:57 | 2370153 Buckaroo Banzai
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I would tell you that is called an Ad Hominem argument, but you are either too stupid to know what that is, or too venal to care.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:47 | 2370110 ExpendableOne
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I get a new ipad though right?  right?

 

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 13:36 | 2370543 AnAnonymous
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Same agenda, different starting point, different application of methods, but moving toward the same result: enslaving a population.

_______________________________________________

Are they more efficient than US citizen methods to achieve that?

Doubtful.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 14:59 | 2370671 akak
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Let us ask the displaced, dispossessed, oppressed, culturally suppressed remainders of the Tibetan population in formerly-free Tibet whether your ignorant thesis is correct or not.

The hypocrisy and truthiness blobbing-upismistic nature of An Anonymous Dishwasher is unchanging and eternal.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:58 | 2369907 Manthong
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"12 million current immigrants have entered the US - more than half of whom are illegal"

It's probably more like  20 million current immigrants have entered the US - nearly three quarters of whom are illegal.

And it must be frustrating for the folks back home down south to receive a USD's from relatives working summer jobs up north to see the devalued converted results.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:10 | 2369969 Buckaroo Banzai
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You can bet the 12 million is a drastic undercount. These people are illegal, so of course they are going to be almost impossible to count accurately. I've seen estimates of up to 50 million.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:54 | 2370386 NewWorldOrange
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Lots of sterotypes here! Here's one: The guy who used to work construction, AND is too stupid to make his own job, or find different work, and who spends his days ranting about the Mexicans who he can't compete with and blaming "them" for all his problems.

LOTS of people around here looking for an excuse to fail. Or looking to excuse the fact that you've ALREADY failed. You know who you are (if not, you're the guy itching to hit the red arrow right now! Go ahead loser! DO IT!)

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:06 | 2370176 DosZap
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It's probably more like 20 million current immigrants have entered the US - nearly three quarters of whom are illegal.

Yes, and confirmed figures of 20 Billion a year sent to Mexico from those illegals.(thats when they could find work anywhere).

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:45 | 2369858 fonzannoon
Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:16 | 2369989 Chupacabra-322
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All part of the The Elite/Globalist's plan to de industrialize The United States.  All done by design, all done by Agenda.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 16:41 | 2371422 Dugald
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Yes what a laugh what a hoot.....BUT, how long before white Americans start to follow them over the border? Oh wait up, they would have to work hard to compete and, nah dumb idea forget it, never work.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:31 | 2369788 i love cholas
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Americans can't seem to grasp that very logic. In the old days you could cross the border in less than hour during "peak hours" and now it takes 3.5 hours just to drive across. Our own government is making it harder for us to get back in so we are deterred from leaving in the first place.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:39 | 2369820 Abiotic Oil
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Especially since a "suspicious person" could now be grounds for legal strip search, thanks to SCOTUS.

"Whoa ma'am, your're looking a little top heavy there.  I don't see how your frame could possibly support DD's, You could have illegal contraband in that bra.  I'll need to check those out, please step into my DHS trailer over here and remove your clothing.  Don't mind the video cameras, no one will ever see this."

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:31 | 2369789 MillionDollarBonus_
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Free trade is completely unfair on Americans. Some jobs simply BELONG to Americans and there is no excuse for hiring people in foreign countries. There is a BIG difference between trading across the Canada-America border and trading across the Texas-Oklahoma border. In the first instance we are talking about COUNTRIES, and in the second instance we are talking about STATES. There is a distinct philosophical difference between these two entities and if you can't see that then I'm afraid you are too far-gone for me to reason with you. Just WAKE UP!

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:35 | 2369801 Gully Foyle
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MillionDollarBonus_

"Some jobs simply BELONG to Americans"

I am so goddamned sick of Canadians coming to the USA and taking ALL the highpaying ENTERTAINMENT jobs!

Fuck you Shatner! Fuck you Celine Dion!

Let's see how much money you make back home in Alberta!


Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:51 | 2369887 Undecided
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Gully foyle, how about we get rid of NAFTA and we sill see how much Americans start paying for water, oil etc.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:56 | 2369910 Gully Foyle
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Undecided

Shatner was here well before NAFTA, drawing the big bucks and sexing up our pure murican womenfolk.

But maybe you are on to something with Dion.

I can see how NAFTA is to blame for here popularity.


Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:16 | 2369992 oddjob
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Canada does not export water. Nestle just steals it.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 23:00 | 2372242 FeralSerf
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What about all that water coming down the Columbia and Yukon Rivers?  Is that just payback for the St. Lawrence?

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 11:50 | 2370125 DosZap
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Gulley,

I am sick of the Hollywood crowd making movies and making millions, only to live overseas,because they hate America.

If you make the millions here, keep it here. Screen trash.......................

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 12:49 | 2370361 trembo slice
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don't forget about Bieber!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih-2O_gdYZo

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 14:03 | 2370660 Metalredneck
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As a Kanuckistani musician, I wanna say:  "How much for zee little girl?"

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:35 | 2369804 i love cholas
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@milliondollar, that ideology is so 90's. They Tirk our JOBS!

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:42 | 2369836 insanelysane
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Alex Tribeck.

Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:46 | 2369859 i-dog
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LOL ... one of your better ones. ;)

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