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US Navy Says Any Disruption To Straits Of Hormuz "Will Not Be Tolerated"
Just out from Reuters:
- U.S. FIFTH FLEET SAYS ANY DISRUPTION OF NAVIGATION IN HORMUZ STRAIT "WILL NOT BE TOLERATED"
Compare this statement with what an Iranian navy chief said earlier:
Closing off the Gulf to oil tankers will be "easier than drinking a glass of water" for Iran if the Islamic state deems it necessary, state television reported on Wednesday, ratcheting up fears over the world's most important oil chokepoint.
"Closing the Strait of Hormuz for Iran's armed forces is really easy ... or as Iranians say it will be easier than drinking a glass of water," Iran's navy chief Habibollah Sayyari told Iran's English language Press TV.
"But right now, we don't need to shut it as we have the Sea of Oman under control and we can control the transit," said Sayyari, who is leading 10 days of exercises in the Strait.
It appears that just like in the case of the ECB, where all the powers involved need a crash of some sort to proceed with "next steps" so the same mentality has now gripped the US Fifth Fleet.
And more on the original story:
The U.S. Fifth Fleet said on Wednesday it will
not allow any disruption of traffic in the Strait of Hormuz, after Iran
threatened to stop ships moving through the strategic oil route.
"The free flow of goods and services through the Strait of Hormuz is
vital to regional and global prosperity," a spokesperson for the
Bahrain-based fleet said in a written response to queries from Reuters
about the possibility of Iran trying to close the waterway.
"Anyone who threatens to disrupt freedom of navigation in an
international strait is clearly outside the community of nations; any
disruption will not be tolerated."
Asked whether it was taking
specific measures in response to the threat to close the Strait, the
fleet said it "maintains a robust presence in the region to deter or
counter destabilizing activities", without providing further detail.
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Wish I could find that cartoon, it would be appropriate in this situation.
And yes, if America goes after Iran, Russia and China will come after America.
And America's "superior forces" won't help. It'll be nuclear ...and America is far outclassed in that area.
cue the Spiral...
You reckon Iran would be provoking the US if they thought tomahawks would be a problem? Not sure they're what would be used against warships anyway. It really all depends what Russia and China have sold Iran though in exchange for their oil, doesn't it.
There's a list here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-ship_missile
Should be interesting.
"Iran's navy and 'air force' would be wiped out quickly."
Yes but the point is that their missiles are land based. As I see it, Iran doesn't need a navy or an airforce since they don't plan on projecting their power beyond their own borders.
Boilermaker +1000 for the rant, fuck these motherfucker pussy banker wanker bitchez! The problem's not the Persians, per se, as you've so stated, it's do we need to then immediately have to blast "Chinks and Russkies"? PS. I think those cats would be fucked, too, but our 7% political "leadership" with military background, cannot convince the other "elite" politico.
Sinking a nuclear carrier in your own backyard might would not be what I call a real victory.
It's not even going to happen. It's not like the Stennis is just sitting there waiting for missles to slam into it. They have an entire strike group and air wings protecting it.
It's just bullshit but it gets the 'America sucks' clan here believing we're going to have our ass handed to us. You'd think it would get old for them. But, it never does.
My point is all this talk about Sunburn missiles and how obsolete carriers are because of them. The successful sinking of a nuclear carrier would be like setting off a dirty bomb off your own coast.
I got your point. My point is that 'sunburn' missles or not, they aren't going to reach the Stennis. They just aren't going to try it, in my opinion (unless they are truly insane).
BTW...obsolete carriers?
The Iranians are not "insane", you evil fuckhead. When you corner someone, they fight back. Roosevelt cornered Japan, late '41, Japan fought back. So will Iran.
Heeeeeeeeeees BaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaK!
Hey Boilermaker, I'd been trying to place your warm and fuzzy perspective for a while, but couldn't make head nor tails of it till now....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA5vVa4WnUc ....Damn, you're Mitch the Monkey from Supercar ain't ya!?~?~ Yu loveable old rogue, how did they get you back here into the future? Cyrogenics?
My one and only prediction for 2012...you gonna be the new M$B....keep bangin that drum soldier boy...jus like "Baron Barracuda", man, soon yu gonna OWN that ocean floor!
Good luck with that. I get it. You don't like America and everything about it and what it 'represents'. That being said, you're fucking moron to think Iran can tangle in a military conflict with the US Navy.
That's all you care about, right. Your dad is bigger then their dad. You don't care about bullshit IAEA documents that gives your dad an excuse to bully their dad. You don't care that Israel has teh most secretive nuclear program in the world, outside the Non-Proliferation Act yet Iran can't have nuclear power. Even though North Korea have a bomb and hate the US and nothing has happened in 5 years. But Iran, dem's muzzies and dey got da oil and mah redneck poppa is bigger that then theirs, USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA, give me a beer bitch, fuck I'm already 300lbs gimme a lite.
Exactly my point and just more utterly ignorant America-sucks garbage.
America used to be a great nation. Then the Jews hired boilermaker.
LOL. That's very funny post-capture humor. But how old can bm be?
Boilermaker, if you see a problem with your family does taking corrective action mean that you hate them? Isn't the the parent who refuses to admit that his kids are turning into two-bit thieves in order to support their crack habit the one who really hurts his family rather than the parent who assesses the situation objectively and takes steps to rectify the situation? A loving citizen like a loving parent takes a proactive stance and tries to fix small problems before they turn into much larger problems.
er, ya gits it does ya!? Most of the comments what rip yur face off here come from dyed in the wool America-philes who simply remember and long for the days when our television action\adventure after-school shows had characters like yu, with the puppet strings fully visible, instead of the slick, Hollowood pseudo-real shit that passes for informatainment today...that's why we luv ya BoilBoy...yur strings be showin... A good ol throwback to the days of villains like "El Kabong!"
keep 'representin' thar, KaricatureBoy- yu more fun than a Barrel o MonkeyS!
It must really suck to be you. But, I love the tantrums of the rest of the world trying to deal with American dominance. It's truly entertaining.
It must really suck to have to keep an entire one-quarter of your available appendages up in the air and unavailable for use in fending off the bigger and more aggressive of your species from jackin yur backside....
but hey, they say mutations are what makes a species stronger....
let us know how it works out for ya Mitch! Meanwhiles, thanks for the laughs!
Whatever you need to believe to get you through your day is fine with me.
pride goeth before the fall - Herodotus
Ps. He knows a little more about history than you
(meant for boiler)
That's an answer worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize.
WAR! It's faaaaaantastic.
Well Bm you are certainly getting into the spirit of the season in a way that only a highly conditioned, oxymoronic precision-honed selective memory can.
Thanks for the endlessly repeating, but rousing rendition of "Jingo Bells", a couple more dupes cut from the same cloth join in and you could get a round going, no?
Thanks!
American The beUteRFUl, they are really a wonderfull creature to behold.
They hold or know nothing of value, so they go with the MSM pablum as their guide.
A wonder they are.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002 - Red laid waste to Blue using just the sort of tactics the Iranians will, no doubt, use.
Now, who's feeling like a fucking moron?
Oh fuck, you got me. I can't beat rock solid facts like the Millennium Challenge 2002 from Wiki.
Where are you stationed?
Hey was that Sammy Davis Jr?
You talkin bout Mitch, or King Kool?
I doo believe Sammy was unavailabe for that particular shoot - it went down during his "I convert to Judaism" phase. ....he may have had a 'body double' though!
C'mon, now....nuff nuff wit the racist jokes. Be good for Christmas!
http://www.kitco.com/ind/willie/dec272011.html
Divergence between paper gold and physical gold price is happening.
Gold is tanking some here.
Nothing compared with what silver is doing, according to Kitco.
But my guess is it would be hard to buy the real thing at Kitco prices.
Kitco spot silver 27.620 at 10:58
Bullionvault silver, London vault, USD27.99 offer at 11:00
Prices diverging all over the place.
and:
WWIII Countdown: CFR declares "Time to Attack Iran"
Iran will be attacked before the election.
Countdown? Shit WWIII started years ago. We are just getting ready to accelerate it.
"But right now, we don't need to shut it as we have the Sea of Oman under control and we can control the transit," said Sayyari, who is leading 10 days of exercises in the Strait.
I *could* kick your ass...I just don't want to. I have a supermodel girlfriend in Canada also.
whats up with the yemeni president seeking asylum in the US?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16333830
Probably doesn't want to end up like Saddam or Khaddafi would be my guess.
Why worry about a visa when we let in millions from the south unchecked??
Iran's clearly trying to preempt the new batch of sanctions from the EU - Europe's gonna have a go at it come early 2012.
http://www.emirates247.com/news/world/eu-to-pursue-new-sanctions-despite-closure-threat-2011-12-28-1.434919
Rut roh....
or as I say, it will be easier than drinking a glass of Vodka!
I hear you brother. I'd be okay with taxation if it had representation. Meaning everyone, including "corporations are people too" Romney atleast paid a little to get the benefits and detriments of having busybody politicos run this show, considering their track record over the last 20 years.
For me there can be no taxation with representation because anyone who doesn't understand that all taxation is theft can not truly be my representative.
The recent Thunder Road Report "Dear Fund Manager" indicated that a war with Iran was to occur in the Sept/Oct 2012 timeframe.
The source was Lindsey Williams in a recent interview. FWIW:
"In a recent interview, Lindsey Williams said that his insider source told him at war with Iran is planned for September/October 2012. The aim is to continue harassing Iran in the hope that it will fire the first shot."
Wait for it to cool off a bit in the fall and get it done before Christmas.
Don't mess with the Persians.
Delicious
Nothing like a good war to distract the public.
Iran threatening to close the strait IS the false flag. Or so at least we're told. There is no truth, there is only perception.
This would make handy cover for a derivatives explosion. As the regulars here might say, "FORCE MAJEURE" bitchez...
In the context of this article, "Iran" most nearly means:
A. Iran
B. Russia
C. China
D. All of the above
And attacking US warships most nearly means:
A. NATO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhm-NTzc4rU
Nato?
you wouldn't be referring to that raggedy-ass bunch o bandits what took about 6 months just to dispose of a bunch of ragheads in the Libyan desert would ya now Boil|Boy?!?!?
Ahhh, to quote an assumed authority on geopolitical developments,,,,,,
E. The Red Shield
I sure hope the Iranians don't have the S-300 system in place with a few Russian 'advisors'.
It's the Sunburn saturation that we should be worried about.
optimator
I sure hope the Iranians don't have the S-300 system in place with a few Russian 'advisors'.
If they do, and use them with any sucess, it will be 10x's worse.
There will be orders given to to hit all IRANS reactor sites, plus a hell of a lot more, maybe even boots on the ground.
BarHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak, would tell Izzy Ok, GO TIME for you, we will hit them from every side but down.
Iran would be screwed for YEARS.
Another war brought about by the Federal Reserve for their tribal members.
Is it really that easy to drink a glass of water in Iran?
For some reason I don't think so....
He meant "easier than walk in the park"....reporters took "literal" translation
About 13 tankers carrying 15.5 million barrels (2,460,000 m3) of crude oil pass through the Hormuz strait on an average day, making it one of the world's most strategically important choke points. This represents 33% of the world's seaborne oil shipments, and 17% of all world oil shipments in 2009.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strait_of_Hormuz
We did the same thing to Iraq. We will impose more and more sanctions on them, and hope either their citizens revolt, they give up all nuclear ambitions, or they do something stupid and give us a reason to bomb the shit out of them. Well, there is one more option. We drum up fake WMD charges and bomb the shit out of them and take their oil.
Sanctions are a provocation, not a solution. That is, unless the endgame is an attack on Iran. So in this high-stakes chess game the world is now choosing up sides, and we'll see the US has enough support to impose the sanctions. We need to remember control of the oil is the ultimate goal. If Iran possesses a nuclear weapon it makes US control of the oil more difficult, if not impossible, and we will not let that happen.
yea? Like we took iraq's oil or kuwaits oil.
Yes, like that.
Pipelines
War profiteering
Protection of the petrodollar and client oil kingdoms
True that the global “oiligopolists” neither owe allegiance to any nation, nor remit their plunder to the benefit of any nation. But that hardly makes the case that the war on Iraq was not motivated by greed, nor does it disprove that US armed forces were misled and misused for base purposes.
Idiots on all sides. It's not about oil. It's about keeping Israel on the map. Jews either rule - like now - or they face the abyss. They know it, and so should we.
Good points all, but there is some over lap. Oil availability helps with the rule, hence the Kirkuk-Haifa oil pipeline. I'm afraid you are right that people will see this as a zero-sum end-game. I'm encouraged that more and more Americans are waking up and want out of the foreign legion.
"Closing the Straits of Hormuz...will be as easy as photoshopping missiles..."
I am ex navy and the Iranians are baiting the bull. Better hope the bull doesn't get loose. The rumor is that the Iranians are doing the war games to distract people from all the bombs going off in-country. This is a consolidation of power when they are starting to look week and inept. Better hope the bull doesn't get loose though. With all the weapons available you don't have to be that good to wipe out most of the Iranian fleet and shore support systems. They would also destroy any port that could support warships or rebuild.
You look a bit young, are our troops so desperate they are taking babies. I know they except convicts now.
Payne....but ORI says the Indian Navy laughs at the US Navy and and that the US navy is not capable of defeating the Iranian Navy??/
Who should I believe?
You should believe the troops on active duty. Seventy percent of their political donations to Republican candidates goes to Ron Paul. The troops put their lives on the line for you, support them by supporting Ron Paul 2012.
Unless you hate America, of course.
I am ex navy and the Iranians are baiting the bull. Better hope the bull doesn't get loose. The rumor is that the Iranians are doing the war games to distract people from all the bombs going off in-country. This is a consolidation of power when they are starting to look week and inept. Better hope the bull doesn't get loose though. With all the weapons available you don't have to be that good to wipe out most of the Iranian fleet and shore support systems. They would also destroy any port that could support warships or rebuild.
the Iranians are baiting the bull.
Oh really? Who's been doing covert ops in Iran for the last 4 years again?
Bush sanctions 'black ops' against Iranhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1552784/Bush-sanctions-black-o...
we heard your cow paddies drop the first time...no need for serial diarrhea....
though you may have belonged to a unique percentile of serving men who bought the bullshit that the traitors in command sold them, the average American fighting man, land, sea or air, would defend an attack on the continental USA to the death, but would much rather be back home right now lookin after the health and welfare of his family in this time of programmed destitution of what used to be the greatest and richest country in the world....
did yu fall on yur head alot as a YouT?
Gulf of Tonkin comes to mind. Always a great way to start a war and enrich the arms companies and service companies like Xi and Halliburton. Believe nothing that you hear or read from the media.
Keep the sphincter relaxed?
"Unless the Iranians take steps to relax the sphincter of the Straits of Hormel, Bush stated, they can expect the United States to take direct, pointed and insertive action."
It's odd how we want to keep these far away places so safe when an American cannot walk down most city downtowns at night safely without getting knifed or shot. Why not make our homeland streets as safe as the Straits of Homuz?
What a bold idea, eh?
If Obama starts a war with Iran, will MORE people vote for Ron Paul or LESS people vote for Ron Paul.
Up if you think MORE.
Down if you think LESS.
So, is this a warning to Israel NOT to attack Iran because it will cause "disruption" to the straits?
OR
Is this a "green light" for Israel to attack Iran, as the US will then blame Iran for causing "disruption" in the straits?
hmmm...
Well, if they engage (or we engage), that's the reality of it. I don't want it either but I'm not naive to the point where I think the world will stop all military conflicts forever.
That said, I'm glad the US servicemen are equipped to win (whatever your definition might be). Sorry, but I'd just rather lose as few as possible.
The presumed inability to "end all military conflicts forever" is hardly excuse for failure to avoid these latest ones.
These current wars, invasions, and occupations are not football games to cheer the “winning” team.
Just whose “enemies” are the soldiers sent to kill?
And after all the next killing is done, just what will the “winners” have won?
More freedom under the Constitution? Less global militarism? A saner economy?
Less concentrated wealth and power? The thanks of morally bankrupt and corrupt allies?
No matter who the “winner” is said to be, we know who the losers will be.
BF3!! I call the attack helio!
People honestly think that it's the US against Iran?
It's the US against Iran, Pakistan, China and Russia. Both Russia and CHina have stated that if the US touches, farts or breathes near Iran that all hell breaks loose.
Pakistan...well, it's Pakistan...
I sure hope the tankers have adequate anti-rocket defences in a case of war between USA and Iran. And civilians are not going to fare well, as in most of the wars. And why? The simple answer is that nuclear weapons are to dangerous, and I agree. But idea that some countries can have them and other can't, is just as dangerous.
All I need to see is some Iranians shooting rifles and shotguns into the air. Then, I completely pack my huggies. If they burn an bed sheet colored with markers to look 'kind-of' like an American flag....we're truly fucked.
Hey MORON, when is that big bad ass military of yours going to come back to America and start defending America from NDAA military-arrest-and-detention-without-trial?
When is that big bad ass military of yours going to start defending the constitution and freedom AT FUCKING HOME HERE?
I know this is going to make me very unpopular, but the us needs a really good ass kicking and to stop being the playground bully of the world. Maybe instead we should be working, or have worked harder to get off foreign oil and have good gas milage cars for the past 30 plus years. the amouint of money we spend with the military protecting legacy industries so they can keep us addicted to oil is insane. oil lobby money in action!!
Preventing Iran from closing the Straights of Hormuz, which are international waters, is 'bulllying"?
My map refers to them as "Straits." "Straights" are those people you see when you look up from your alcohol induced hallucinations of grandeur as you lie in the filth outside one barroom door or another.
But by all means, have another boilermaker on me.
Your wrong, your not unpopular, your an idiot, go charge up your smart car and drive it off a cliff.
Re ...your an idiot
Coming from an idiot who doesn't know the difference between YOUR and YOU'RE
Yes. This will be the first war - in one, watched others - where I will root against my "own" country. But then, it's not my country any more. The Zionists stole it.
MAYBE the fucking US military can do their fucking job for once and defend the American people against enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC and arrest those madmen before it's too late?
The fucking troops that are worshipped 24/7, will they be worthy of this admiration or will they do like any other military in history and ENSLAVE the population under the NDAA and bankrupt the state because of wars? History shows that the troops will fuck the American people up the ass...
I drink your glass of water. I drink it all up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKQ3LXHKB34
or, if you prefer...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOAMewmnQTY&feature=fvwrel
"I am the Third Revalation Ely!
There was a war game done by the US Navy some time back. The results were quickly hushed up as they were not what was expected. The gist of it was that a small force in a small sea could create havoc for the US. Navy. The Iranians don't have to win, just survive. Ramming speed bitches!
Sun Tzu baby!
The rules were recognized 2300 years ago, now you can download it. Whole section on engaging boats in the Art of War.
The report you are talking about is part of the audit and review from the dodig. Could only find the South Asia one.
http://www.dodig.mil/audit/reports/fy10/10-087-redacted.pdf
The US Plan To Collapse Iran's Central Bank - Inciting Oil Spike?
http://chasvoice.blogspot.com/2011/12/us-plan-to-collapse-irans-central-...
The Fed and Banking Cartel May have Launched an Attack on Iran's Central Bank
http://chasvoice.blogspot.com/2011/12/has-fed-and-banking-cartel-attacke...
Obama administration officials have said that the United States has developed a plan to keep the strait open in the event of a crisis.
http://www.ocala.com/article/20111227/ZNYT03/112273018/-1/NEWS?p=1&tc=pg
the stock repsonse is a no fly zone, just to remind folks how that works, 1) you fly your armed aircraft within range of Iranian radar air defense 2) the Iranians lock their radar on to the aircraft, which is considered an act of aggression 3) aircraft take out the air defense site until all defense sites are pushed back say a hundred miles from the straights 4) you keep pushing the no fly zone, and each time an air defense site locks on, you take them out, and then you start taking out vital infrastructure, generators, water treatment 5) you ratchet up the pressure for as long as it takes, including economic sanctions, causing millions of Iranian civilians to die of neglect basically 6) you electe a brain dead NeoCon puppet president who declares war on the shell of the country which is left, after his good and righteous predecessor has kept up the pressure on Iran 7) operation cakewalk II, lots of propaganda, and in the end there is a no fly zone across all of the ME including Pakistan. 8) regime change, it works just about everywhere but where you need it most
the legal issues are interesting since the definition of territorial waters was expanded to 200 miles some years ago, phrases like international straights and counter destabilizing activities? and what about my international right to force you to accept American multinational corporations on Iranian soil? and according to our records your people aren't buying enough flat screen TV's to help stimulate the global economy.
honestly if Thoreau were alive today they would have him in jail for going off the grid, and failing to do his part to defeat the terrorists by shopping at the Concord Mall.
Thoreau was not that far off the grid. While he lived at Walden Mrs. Emerson took in his wash free of charge.
Actually there are no international waters in the Strait proper. The current Iranian exercises are in international waters beyond the Strait. The Strait is 'owned' by Iran and their good friends (not) Oman and the UAE.
The only legal provision by which all these supertankers and foreign warships use the Strait is codified in the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea.
Has the US ratified this treaty? LOL. Of course not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_on_the_Law_of_the...
See what you can learn on ZH?
Why bother with treaty, We ignore any that are not consistent with out values , at the time of course.
<--- Boilermaker is a thought provoking and valuable member.
<--- Boilermaker is a neocon armchair pizza general with a Tapout shirt XXXXL.
I would vote in your pole but it appears that the neolibs are just as blood thirsty as the neocons. You conveniently forgot that.
You know what's funny? How 99% of the people in the western world think that all that pain, suffering and death we have given to the rest of the world again and again will never come here.
What a joke.
That is what bothers me. I simply can't believe it how they don't even bat an eyelash anymore as we invade country after country. It saddens me in more ways than one. Not only the slaughter that we continue to allow to happen ,but also when it does come home to roost the American people will give up any remaining freedom they have left so that uncle obummer will "protect them".
It did come here - September of 2001. Did you forget? It also went to London, Spain, etc. You know what's funny? Those attacks on the West only brought more suffering and death to her supposed victims, but then what else could they have possibly accomplished?
Who determined we'd have the size military we now have? Our enemies did.
You must be kidding. 9/11 and all the others were false-flags. And even if it wasn't, they were a joke compared to what's going on in the rest of the world. May I remind you that the US-UK killed a MILLION Iraqis? Or NATO killed 75k in Afghanistan? Or 3 million in Vietnam? Or the Iran-Iraq war where the US put Saddam in power and armed him which ended up with a million dead?? And let's not mention all the economic hardship we imposed (and still imposing) or the natural resources were stole or the dictators we put in power in dozens of countries who murdered and tortured their own people...
You know, we are not really different from Sparta... there's a minority of ``higher class`` that live well (the western world) because the majority of the slaves (the rest of the world) suffer and die for us every day. We are really not better than the elite we despise so much.
No, I'm not kidding. i knew that you had not forgotten 9-11, only miscategorized it in your fuzzy head.
US killed one million Iraqis. Yes, just like the war cost $10 Trillion dollars, as claimed earlier. Truth = divide by 10.
Tell, me - do you chalk up ever death caused by Iraqis against other Iraqis, like the constant murders of police and students, to the US? Of course you do.
my guess is that the obama blood letting machine is looking for any flimsy pretext to loot iran not just for its oil but for its gold just as it did with libya....
many think that libya was an oil play but the real story was its gold....the rockefeller-mic-yale-cia cabal was lusting after the gold to keep its shorts from imploding....
Gotta a spare $10,000 laying around collecting dust? Might be a good idea to buy some oil stock............
Wonder if Iran still has those Silkworm hypersonic cruise missles China sold them? US Fleet can't disable 7 of them flying towards ONE aircraft carrier at once..or can they?
Thats what the meatsheild of NCOs, crew and a handful of buck LTCs on the picket ships are for!
Remember: Newt Gingrich, is the most senior military teacher in the world!
The Phalanx CIWS is an anti-ship missile defense system. It is a close-in weapon system (CIWS) and was designed and manufactured by the General Dynamics Corporation, Pomona Division (now a part of Raytheon). Consisting of a radar-guided 20mm Gatling gun mounted on a swivelling base, the Phalanx is used by the United States Navy on every class of surface combat ship, by the United States Coast Guard aboard its Hamilton-class and Legend class cutters and the navies of 23 allied nations.
A land based variant known as C-RAM has recently been deployed in a short range missile defense role, to counter incoming rockets and artillery fire.
Because of their distinctive barrel-shaped radome and their automated nature of operation, Phalanx CIWS units are sometimes nicknamed "R2-D2" after the famous droid from Star Wars, and in the Royal Navy as Daleks, after the aliens from Doctor Who.
I think you and many others are missing one important point. It is the tankers that will be needing these systems. The USA will be bombing Iran, and Iran will be shooting anti-ship missiles at the tankers. There is going to be only two winners out of this: extremists and arms industry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002
Oops
Interesting. You reckon the US military learned anything from that 10 year old war game?
The US was decisively routed in December of 1941, leaving us with almost nothing defending our West coast and no means of retalliation. How'd that work out for the enemy (even without the Bomb)? Unfortunately, the only way to break the status quo is to build the next status quo after its failure.
Not so. The ships that mattered - the Lexington and Enterprise carrier battle groups - weren't in port. Pulled out of harbor by FDR and the Navy Dept a few days before the attack and sent on bogus air-reinforcement missions to Wake and Midway. Draw your own conclusions.
My conclusion: The fact that you believe those two ships constituted a reasonable naval force that could go both on offense and defense, as well as you are so quick to contribute the moving of those ships at that time to something nefarious by FDR (assuming you mean to draw us into war) leads me to the conclusion you can't deal with the truth that people do attack other people for reasons that their victims can't fathom, seemingly out of the blue, and that you seek comfort in believing something could have been done to prevent it (elect the right guy) instead of facing the reality of fate. Additionally, you seek evidence to back your beliefs, not to change them.
Lest we forget...
http://royalnavymemories.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/HMS-Sheffield-...
http://www.hms-yarmouth.com/images/ardent106.jpg
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/2577/hmsantelopeux9.jpg
...there are plenty more...
The UK won the Falkland conflict, lest we forget.
The correct action should include:
Quietly retreating and removing all US forces in the region.
Adorn ear protection.
Turn Iran into a shiny glass table.
Wait ten minutes.
Install pumps.
Your keen lust to kill millions of men, women, and children is duly noted.
(Though I expect "Homeland Security" would find your disturbing prediliction toward mass murder to be less threatening than that posed by those who advocate against such.)
Occupy Washington DC till they are the bums are all out of office.
ODC, till everyone of the bums are out, impeach Obama and kick all 535 members out.
Make it so!
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and
then campaign against them.
Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are
against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?
Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation
and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?
You and I don't propose a federal budget. The President does.
You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on
appropriations. The House of Representatives does.
You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.
You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.
You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.
One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one President, and nine Supreme
Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are
directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the
domestic problems that plague this country.
I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that
problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its
Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally
chartered, but private, central bank.
I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason.
They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator,
a congressman, or a President to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't
care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The
politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the
lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine
how he votes.
Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that
what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con
regardless of party.
What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive
amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker,
who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The
President can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to
accept it.
The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole
responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and
approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House?
John Boehner. He is the leader of the majority party. He and fellow
House members, not the President, can approve any budget they want. If
the President vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree
to.
It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot
replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of
incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic
problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you
fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the
federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they
want to exist.
If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.
If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.
If the Army & Marines are in Iraq and Afghanistan it's because they
want them in Iraq and Afghanistan ....
If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement
plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.
There are no insoluble government problems.
Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they
hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and
advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to
regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let
them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical
forces like "the economy," "inflation," or "politics" that prevent them
from doing what they take an oath to do.
good post, very well written. thanks for putting it up Frank.
Good thing the Fins nabbed the Thor LIberty.
The Thor Liberty was actually a legitimate shipment bound for S. Korea, but the paperwork was FUBAR.
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htmurph/articles/20111225.aspx
The good news is hopefully the ship will be more carefully watched to its destination.
After the fins blew up the missiles and explosives their was no reason to keep the ship in port. Still not sure if they released the Captain and First Mate yet though.
I note the NDAA bill is now sitting on Obama's desk waiting to be singed. Perhaps he is awaiting is more "politically convenient" moment to put the pen to it? an incident in Hormuz would certainly provide that. I've also noticed that support, even corporate, for SOPA and/or PIPA is beginning to crumble, as many view it as the open door to outright internet censorship. in light of how important this is to furthering the agenda of control and domination, I think the PTB's see now a need to re-rally support for the hyper security state in the American public.
Hormuz and the threat of $200+ oil could do just that. it would be an easy false flag to pull off, paint up a couple of speed boats, attack an oil tanker of two or even have Al Quedia attack with land based missiles, especially since the latest propaganda in the MSM is all about how Iran assisted them in the attacks on 9/11.
and there you have it, instant war, just add a gullible chest thumping American public, the threat that they may not be able to fill their SUV's for less than ten dollars a gallon there by assuring economic chaos and severely limiting their ability to buy the latest gadget that starts with an I, and our journey toward the dark side will be complete.
nothing is certain in this world and making predictions on what is going to happen next is, at best, an attempt to apply past patterns to current events. but the time does seem ripe for the conflict in the middle east and here at home to be taken to the next phase. don't know if anything will happen, but the next nine days certainly does warrant a weather eye on Hormuz and some added concern.
Ever heard of the 10 days rule?
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0101183.html
Should the president desire neither to sign nor to veto the bill, he may retain it for ten days, Sundays excepted, after which time it automatically becomes a law without signature. However, if Congress has adjourned within those ten days, the bill is automatically killed, that process of indirect rejection being known as a pocket veto.
The bill passed the senate on December 15. It's been 13 days since then, if you remove the sundays, the bill became law on December 27.right, but if I remember correctly it went back to the house after the senate vote and before being presented to Obama. so I'm not sure the ten days you mention are up just yet.
but thanks for that bit of information, I was not aware of the ten day rule, that's what I love about ZH you learn something new and important every day.
Oddly enough the Senate was in pro forma session for 30 seconds on 12/27/11.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/B?r112:@FIELD(FLD003+d)+@FIELD(DDATE+20111227)
Just to make sure it wasn't pocket vetoed?
Obama wouldn't pocket veto the bill he pushed for...
Obama insists on indefinite detention ~ NDAA bill to strip Americans of rightshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_ysdsxF3eo
Has he signed it?
Has he vetoed it?
I am not positive anyone needs to sign or not sign anything anymore.
I heard they were doing this every 3 days to keep Obummer from appointing people during a recess. Wondered why the Senate cared... makes sense for the House to do this.
is that the presidential equivalent to voting "present"?
The abomination called the "auto-pen" will be used to sign it.
Music to the ears of Iran's extremist rulers. They have been goading the US to escalate tensions. Persian chess.
War mongering bully boy US dictating again
Boilermaker dude--you're a rea asshole. And a stupid one too if you think China and Russia are going to stand by and let the US hurt their main trading partner. When China dumps the dollar we will not be able to afford gas even at the current price. Also gather up your family and get down to the military recruiting station so you can go keep Hormuz open if you're so damn bad. Oh never mind they will be drafting girls and guys 18-32 , they suddenly now have jobs---yay.
Boilermaker dude--you're a real asshole. And a stupid one too if you think China and Russia are going to stand by and let the US hurt their main trading partner. When China dumps the dollar we will not be able to afford gas even at the current price. Also gather up your family and get down to the military recruiting station so you can go keep Hormuz open if you're so damn bad. Oh never mind they will be drafting girls and guys 18-32 , they suddenly now have jobs---yay.
I'm sure the USN has plenty of new-ish toys they haven't had a chance to try out in live-fire yet. They'd love a chance to f*** up some surface ships just to make sure everything works as promised.
Fortunately, I doubt they will get it. Even Iran isn't insane enough to provoke a stand-up fight with the US Navy.
U R well-named. Iran doesn't intend a "stand up fight". They'll pre-empt the upcoming Isramerican attack by a few hours or days, mine the straits, kamikaze the oil terminals, and that's that. Isramerica can then bomb Iran back into the stone age, but it won't matter. End of the Empire via economic collapse. As usual.