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US Needs To Generate 261,200 Jobs Per Month To Return To Pre-Depression Employment By End Of Obama Second Term

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Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:31 | 1749336 warchopper
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  1. No problem. We just find 261,200 people who want to strike, and then hire them back.
Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:43 | 1749389 flacon
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Tyler, you should turn these series of charts into an animated gif - showing the progression. 

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:01 | 1749461 Leopold B. Scotch
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We can solve this problem by simply printing money and paying people to do stuff... Any stuff: digging ditches, prepping for alien invasions, running in place.  Anything. Poof! ~~ Labor problem, gone. ~~

And GDP will be up.  'Caus job and economic activity quality is meaningless. Quantity is everything.  Simple Nuff.

Three cheers for GDP.  Hip Hip Hooray!, GDP!! 

GDP, I wish I could make out with you. You're so hot.

~ Paul Krugman on Leopold's login.


Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:18 | 1749514 GeneMarchbanks
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You, sir, are batshit yet I completely understand you. Which means I'm also batshit...

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:16 | 1749721 trav7777
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I dunno if Bama can do it...I mean they gave somebody ELSE the Nobel Peace Prize.  WTF.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:25 | 1749542 SiliconJon
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Issuing +$261 Trillion in debt should do the trick, yes?

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 14:22 | 1750446 Caggge
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We could build cities like China that no one will live in. I guess with all the excess real estate inventory out there.....we have already done that.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 15:00 | 1750611 Bunga Bunga
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Chinese are very smart. They just build more homes and sell them to aliens when Krugman wants to fight.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:18 | 1749730 km4
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Prez hopium sez YES WE CAN ;)

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:28 | 1749759 LongSoupLine
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ok, hear me out, 'cause I've got a winner...

I'm going to start a mid-wesern solar company and ramp up MAJOR hiring.  I expect huge huge backing from...well, lets just say a "slam dunk high level supporter".  All I have to do is take 20% of this "supporters" money (where ever he gets that from) and put it back into some sort of obscure "re-election fund".  Anyway, seems like a win-win...who's in??

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 12:00 | 1749853 covert
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they will not exist



Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:30 | 1749337 papaswamp
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The problem is they didn't create any jobs. The size of the laborforce shrank by 322,000 (not seasonally adjusted) but the BLS added 500,000 workers in their seasonally adjusted number. The rise is total fabrication and the maket is running with it. No one reads they just react to headlines and rumors.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:23 | 1749532 Josh Randall
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Oh Papaswamp, you're young and you've got your health, what do you want with a job?

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:30 | 1749338 Dick Darlington
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And Friday rumor mill in full speed:

rumour: MS and Wells Fargo to merge

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:34 | 1749360 anynonmous
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ya right

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:37 | 1749371 firstdivision
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Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:39 | 1749377 HD
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 We'll need more than that - get him to the ocean...

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:55 | 1749444 sabra1
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Buffett wants to merge with Janet Napolitano! yuuuuuuuck!

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:31 | 1749340 Dr. Hannibal Lecter
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ObaMao second term?  Who said anything about a second term.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:46 | 1749400 Rainman
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.....even the ever-blue Californicators are pissed at O as Holder fruitlessly tries to stomp out reefer madness in the State.



Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:11 | 1749489 Henry Chinaski
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A new front in Obama's war on jobs.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:16 | 1749509 Leopold B. Scotch
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This IS Job protection -- for the Drug War Industrial Compex.  That's an industry of $ hundreds of billions at stake.  Can't cut off those parasites through legalization, now, can we?

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:23 | 1749531 Henry Chinaski
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Decriminalization of pot would make an interesting economic study.  Increase agricultural production and employment. Roll back the bloated police state govenment.  Liberty works for me.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:43 | 1749801 jo6pac
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Yep, got to fill those corp. jails.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:32 | 1749346 thunderchief
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Stop comparing yesterdays America to todays. 

It's not fair to todays America.

Your making us all feel just downright Poor!

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:36 | 1749370 Caviar Emptor
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Thanks for agreeing. Yesterday's US economy is squarely in the rear view mirror. Anyone who ain't hip is living in their own lil dream world

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:53 | 1749434 Cash_is_Trash
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Welcome to the new normal.

The nation is clearly getting poorer.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:32 | 1749347 Fips_OnTheSpot
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Insource China! Case closed.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:47 | 1749407 Cash_is_Trash
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Open the immigration spigots?

Hell, just bring in all the Mexicans.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:32 | 1749349 PulauHantu29
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No one even wants a house anymore:


Home ownership sees biggest drop since Great Depression: CNN Money




Too expensive and renting is very flexible and cheap....





Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:46 | 1749376 firstdivision
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Actually right now is the perfect time to buy.  A house is a physical asset at least.  The problem is that the general public is still stuck in the debt they racked up in 2006/2007 to really be able to afford it, ontop of the fact that they overpaid for their property or maxed out home equity lines.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:48 | 1749413 tmosley
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No, the perfect time to buy is when they are priced like Detroit is now, possibly during the depths of a hyperinflationary crisis (real estate values can and do fall in a nominal sense during hyperinflation--especially if the government adopts rent control measures).

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:54 | 1749436 firstdivision
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Actually, and sadly saying this, I am starting to think that housing is finally starting to form a bottom.  The Case-Shiller index showed better number for places that people want to live (ex. Cleveland, Detroit, Midwest in general).  Those areas will be the first to bottom out, the rest of the US will follow a few months to a year behind.  Besides, wouldn't you rather own before the US buys up all the available housing to force people to be serfs?

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:00 | 1749458 kito
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if the u.s. wasnt on its way to 15 trillion in debt, and the worlds banks werent worthless, then yes, all things being equal, we would be at the bottom now. however, when the mother of all black swans hits, that bottom will become bottomless. wait till 2013 to see how this all shakes out before you invest in something that may go to cash value.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:03 | 1749465 firstdivision
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When the mother of all black swans hits, I want to own where I live. 

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:12 | 1749499 kito
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"own" as in own or "own" as in owe?

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:15 | 1749504 firstdivision
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own as in own.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:24 | 1749540 Leopold B. Scotch
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Bottoming?  Are you kidding? 

The clearing price for housing has not been achieved in any way whatsoever.  We have a horribly intervened mortgage market and even then houses are not moving.

Have the Fed return its $2 trillion of mortgages to the market for finding their true clearing prices, and we'll find out how houses are priced in a naturally occurring market through real price discovery of interest rates.

GAAP should also require banks to end the opaque disclosure techniques the industry currently uses to keep investors guessing about the quality of the balance sheets.  Yeah, banking stocks are taking it on the chin right now beause of the lack of clarity, but just the same, they're unddoubtedly hiding $ hundreds of millions of insolvent mortgage housing inventory, keeping all those homes off the foreclosure lists where they would otherwise end up absent the ability to not disclose.

Then have the FEd end its price fixing of interest rates at this absurdly low level where it forces savers to subsidize borrowers, which in turn keeps houses over priced and not clearing.

We'd then see the free fall in housing return and housing prices would bottom out for real, and very quickly.  Inventory would then be priced at its real clearing price, with lending at its real lending price.

Yes, the market might stabilize with the current intervention, but in the end all we'er doing is propping up a distortion.  WE're price fixing and forcing the misallocation of scarce wealth into fossilizing housing prices above their natural clearing rate. 

Price fixing only creates more problems. End it.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 13:24 | 1750194 Messianic
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If you're paying with cash (i.e. you have the money laying around to buy the house outright as opposed to taking out a large mortgage), now is definitely not the time to buy.  Prices still havent' fallen to the level they should when interest rates (must) rise.

Once either 1) interest rates are sky-high to return us to normality, putting downward pressure on actual home values; or 2) hyperinflation has eaten everything yet only weakly affected home prices; that would be the time to purchase a home to get the best deal.

But to pay now, in pure cash, for a home?  Absolutely not - that's silliness. Now is a fairly good time (we don't need to catch daggers if we know what we want) to buy a home if you plan to get a low rate fixed rate mortgage and you plan to actually live in the home for 30+ years. If your plan is to buy a house via a mortgage and rely on the government to protect your home based on provisions that protect at least one home in the case you file bankruptcy, I have to say that's not a very good plan.

But it's not a good time to use housing as an investment, ESPECIALLY in the US.  There are some good purchases in Asian markets which have decent yields, but those are probably going to get hammered soon. Housing in the US is and will continue to be a poor investment for many years.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:46 | 1749808 trav7777
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you don't own it so long as you have to pay taxes on it

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:17 | 1749512 Henry Chinaski
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There is no housing market.  There are bazillions of submarkets.  Local influences are usually more important that macro factors, especially for single family homes. 

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 13:31 | 1750230 Messianic
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It seems like "Housing is a regional phenomenon" was Bernanke's argument too...Or just that national pressures don't override regional ones.

7/1/05 – Interview on CNBC
INTERVIEWER: Tell me, what is the worst-case scenario? We have so many economists coming on our air saying ‘Oh, this is a bubble, and it’s going to burst, and this is going to be a real issue for the economy.’ Some say it could even cause a recession at some point. What is the worst-case scenario if in fact we were to see prices come down substantially across the country?

BERNANKE: Well, I guess I don’t buy your premise. It’s a pretty unlikely possibility. We’ve never had a decline in house prices on a nationwide basis. So, what I think what is more likely is that house prices will slow, maybe stabilize, might slow consumption spending a bit. I don’t think it’s gonna drive the economy too far from its full employment path, though.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:29 | 1749503 OneEyedJack
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Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:47 | 1749815 trav7777
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Detroilet is like 86% black...do YOU really want to live there?

May as well move to Africa.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:33 | 1749353 cowdiddly
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Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:36 | 1749354 Gene8696
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Does that take into account the numbers of ZH readers who are dropping out of the "job market", because they are netting 10% a month on the swings?

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:34 | 1749357 Kyle Reese
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Let's do the census every month.

Maybe we don't need more jobs, but more affordable housing. Go back to single income families.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:27 | 1749545 Leopold B. Scotch
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What we need is a good war.  Or plague. No better solution to excess labor than death.

Hey?!? Who said central planning is a clean business?  One must break a few eggs to make an omelet, after all.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 12:08 | 1749879 V in PA
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It's almost like we are living in 1936. A world wide depression, but yet, most everyone was blissfully unware of the nightmare to come.

Look around people. The gears of a world war have been turning for some time now. WWIII is right around the corner.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:34 | 1749358 Kina
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It appears to me that TPTB have gotten themselves in a position were the US is now always just a moment away form losing total control and being plunged into chaos. It is walking a high wire miles above the earth in gale force winds and everybody is wondering if Europe might lay just a little bit of greece on the wire.


When they lose control there will be no stopping the dominoes that fall all the way through markets.

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