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US Needs To Generate 261,200 Jobs Per Month To Return To Pre-Depression Employment By End Of Obama Second Term

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Every few months we rerun an analysis of how many jobs the US economy has to generate to return to the unemployment rate as of December 2007 when the Great Financial Crisis started, by the end of Obama's potential second term in November 2016. This calculation takes into account the historical change in Payroll and includes the 90,000/month natural growth to the labor force, and extrapolates into the future. And every time we rerun this calculation, the number of jobs that has to be created to get back to baseline increases: First it was 245,500 in April, then 250,000 in June, then 254,000 in July. As of today, following the just announced "beat" of meager NFP expectations, this number has has just risen to an all time high 261,200. This means that unless that number of jobs is created each month for the next 5 years, America will have a higher unemployment rate in October 2016 than it did in December 2007. How realistic is it that the US economy can create 16.2 million jobs in the next 62 months? We leave that answer up to the US electorate.


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Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:31 | 1749336 warchopper
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  1. No problem. We just find 261,200 people who want to strike, and then hire them back.
Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:43 | 1749389 flacon
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Tyler, you should turn these series of charts into an animated gif - showing the progression. 

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:01 | 1749461 Leopold B. Scotch
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We can solve this problem by simply printing money and paying people to do stuff... Any stuff: digging ditches, prepping for alien invasions, running in place.  Anything. Poof! ~~ Labor problem, gone. ~~

And GDP will be up.  'Caus job and economic activity quality is meaningless. Quantity is everything.  Simple Nuff.

Three cheers for GDP.  Hip Hip Hooray!, GDP!! 

GDP, I wish I could make out with you. You're so hot.

~ Paul Krugman on Leopold's login.


Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:18 | 1749514 GeneMarchbanks
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You, sir, are batshit yet I completely understand you. Which means I'm also batshit...

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:16 | 1749721 trav7777
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I dunno if Bama can do it...I mean they gave somebody ELSE the Nobel Peace Prize.  WTF.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:25 | 1749542 SiliconJon
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Issuing +$261 Trillion in debt should do the trick, yes?

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 14:22 | 1750446 Caggge
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We could build cities like China that no one will live in. I guess with all the excess real estate inventory out there.....we have already done that.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 15:00 | 1750611 Bunga Bunga
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Chinese are very smart. They just build more homes and sell them to aliens when Krugman wants to fight.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:18 | 1749730 km4
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Prez hopium sez YES WE CAN ;)

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:28 | 1749759 LongSoupLine
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ok, hear me out, 'cause I've got a winner...

I'm going to start a mid-wesern solar company and ramp up MAJOR hiring.  I expect huge huge backing from...well, lets just say a "slam dunk high level supporter".  All I have to do is take 20% of this "supporters" money (where ever he gets that from) and put it back into some sort of obscure "re-election fund".  Anyway, seems like a win-win...who's in??

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 12:00 | 1749853 covert
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they will not exist


Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:30 | 1749337 papaswamp
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The problem is they didn't create any jobs. The size of the laborforce shrank by 322,000 (not seasonally adjusted) but the BLS added 500,000 workers in their seasonally adjusted number. The rise is total fabrication and the maket is running with it. No one reads they just react to headlines and rumors.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:23 | 1749532 Josh Randall
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Oh Papaswamp, you're young and you've got your health, what do you want with a job?

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:30 | 1749338 Dick Darlington
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And Friday rumor mill in full speed:

rumour: MS and Wells Fargo to merge

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:34 | 1749360 anynonmous
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ya right

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:37 | 1749371 firstdivision
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Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:39 | 1749377 HD
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 We'll need more than that - get him to the ocean...

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:55 | 1749444 sabra1
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Buffett wants to merge with Janet Napolitano! yuuuuuuuck!

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:31 | 1749340 Dr. Hannibal Lecter
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ObaMao second term?  Who said anything about a second term.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:46 | 1749400 Rainman
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.....even the ever-blue Californicators are pissed at O as Holder fruitlessly tries to stomp out reefer madness in the State.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:11 | 1749489 Henry Chinaski
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A new front in Obama's war on jobs.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:16 | 1749509 Leopold B. Scotch
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This IS Job protection -- for the Drug War Industrial Compex.  That's an industry of $ hundreds of billions at stake.  Can't cut off those parasites through legalization, now, can we?

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:23 | 1749531 Henry Chinaski
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Decriminalization of pot would make an interesting economic study.  Increase agricultural production and employment. Roll back the bloated police state govenment.  Liberty works for me.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:43 | 1749801 jo6pac
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Yep, got to fill those corp. jails.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:32 | 1749346 thunderchief
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Stop comparing yesterdays America to todays. 

It's not fair to todays America.

Your making us all feel just downright Poor!

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:36 | 1749370 Caviar Emptor
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Thanks for agreeing. Yesterday's US economy is squarely in the rear view mirror. Anyone who ain't hip is living in their own lil dream world

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:53 | 1749434 Cash_is_Trash
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Welcome to the new normal.

The nation is clearly getting poorer.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:32 | 1749347 Fips_OnTheSpot
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Insource China! Case closed.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:47 | 1749407 Cash_is_Trash
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Open the immigration spigots?

Hell, just bring in all the Mexicans.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:32 | 1749349 PulauHantu29
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No one even wants a house anymore:


Home ownership sees biggest drop since Great Depression: CNN Money


Too expensive and renting is very flexible and cheap....





Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:46 | 1749376 firstdivision
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Actually right now is the perfect time to buy.  A house is a physical asset at least.  The problem is that the general public is still stuck in the debt they racked up in 2006/2007 to really be able to afford it, ontop of the fact that they overpaid for their property or maxed out home equity lines.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:48 | 1749413 tmosley
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No, the perfect time to buy is when they are priced like Detroit is now, possibly during the depths of a hyperinflationary crisis (real estate values can and do fall in a nominal sense during hyperinflation--especially if the government adopts rent control measures).

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:54 | 1749436 firstdivision
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Actually, and sadly saying this, I am starting to think that housing is finally starting to form a bottom.  The Case-Shiller index showed better number for places that people want to live (ex. Cleveland, Detroit, Midwest in general).  Those areas will be the first to bottom out, the rest of the US will follow a few months to a year behind.  Besides, wouldn't you rather own before the US buys up all the available housing to force people to be serfs?

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:00 | 1749458 kito
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if the u.s. wasnt on its way to 15 trillion in debt, and the worlds banks werent worthless, then yes, all things being equal, we would be at the bottom now. however, when the mother of all black swans hits, that bottom will become bottomless. wait till 2013 to see how this all shakes out before you invest in something that may go to cash value.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:03 | 1749465 firstdivision
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When the mother of all black swans hits, I want to own where I live. 

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:12 | 1749499 kito
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"own" as in own or "own" as in owe?

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:15 | 1749504 firstdivision
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own as in own.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:24 | 1749540 Leopold B. Scotch
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Bottoming?  Are you kidding? 

The clearing price for housing has not been achieved in any way whatsoever.  We have a horribly intervened mortgage market and even then houses are not moving.

Have the Fed return its $2 trillion of mortgages to the market for finding their true clearing prices, and we'll find out how houses are priced in a naturally occurring market through real price discovery of interest rates.

GAAP should also require banks to end the opaque disclosure techniques the industry currently uses to keep investors guessing about the quality of the balance sheets.  Yeah, banking stocks are taking it on the chin right now beause of the lack of clarity, but just the same, they're unddoubtedly hiding $ hundreds of millions of insolvent mortgage housing inventory, keeping all those homes off the foreclosure lists where they would otherwise end up absent the ability to not disclose.

Then have the FEd end its price fixing of interest rates at this absurdly low level where it forces savers to subsidize borrowers, which in turn keeps houses over priced and not clearing.

We'd then see the free fall in housing return and housing prices would bottom out for real, and very quickly.  Inventory would then be priced at its real clearing price, with lending at its real lending price.

Yes, the market might stabilize with the current intervention, but in the end all we'er doing is propping up a distortion.  WE're price fixing and forcing the misallocation of scarce wealth into fossilizing housing prices above their natural clearing rate. 

Price fixing only creates more problems. End it.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 13:24 | 1750194 Messianic
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If you're paying with cash (i.e. you have the money laying around to buy the house outright as opposed to taking out a large mortgage), now is definitely not the time to buy.  Prices still havent' fallen to the level they should when interest rates (must) rise.

Once either 1) interest rates are sky-high to return us to normality, putting downward pressure on actual home values; or 2) hyperinflation has eaten everything yet only weakly affected home prices; that would be the time to purchase a home to get the best deal.

But to pay now, in pure cash, for a home?  Absolutely not - that's silliness. Now is a fairly good time (we don't need to catch daggers if we know what we want) to buy a home if you plan to get a low rate fixed rate mortgage and you plan to actually live in the home for 30+ years. If your plan is to buy a house via a mortgage and rely on the government to protect your home based on provisions that protect at least one home in the case you file bankruptcy, I have to say that's not a very good plan.

But it's not a good time to use housing as an investment, ESPECIALLY in the US.  There are some good purchases in Asian markets which have decent yields, but those are probably going to get hammered soon. Housing in the US is and will continue to be a poor investment for many years.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:46 | 1749808 trav7777
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you don't own it so long as you have to pay taxes on it

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:17 | 1749512 Henry Chinaski
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There is no housing market.  There are bazillions of submarkets.  Local influences are usually more important that macro factors, especially for single family homes. 

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 13:31 | 1750230 Messianic
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It seems like "Housing is a regional phenomenon" was Bernanke's argument too...Or just that national pressures don't override regional ones.

7/1/05 – Interview on CNBC
INTERVIEWER: Tell me, what is the worst-case scenario? We have so many economists coming on our air saying ‘Oh, this is a bubble, and it’s going to burst, and this is going to be a real issue for the economy.’ Some say it could even cause a recession at some point. What is the worst-case scenario if in fact we were to see prices come down substantially across the country?

BERNANKE: Well, I guess I don’t buy your premise. It’s a pretty unlikely possibility. We’ve never had a decline in house prices on a nationwide basis. So, what I think what is more likely is that house prices will slow, maybe stabilize, might slow consumption spending a bit. I don’t think it’s gonna drive the economy too far from its full employment path, though.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:29 | 1749503 OneEyedJack
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Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:47 | 1749815 trav7777
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Detroilet is like 86% YOU really want to live there?

May as well move to Africa.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:33 | 1749353 cowdiddly
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Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:36 | 1749354 Gene8696
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Does that take into account the numbers of ZH readers who are dropping out of the "job market", because they are netting 10% a month on the swings?

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:34 | 1749357 Kyle Reese
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Let's do the census every month.

Maybe we don't need more jobs, but more affordable housing. Go back to single income families.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:27 | 1749545 Leopold B. Scotch
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What we need is a good war.  Or plague. No better solution to excess labor than death.

Hey?!? Who said central planning is a clean business?  One must break a few eggs to make an omelet, after all.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 12:08 | 1749879 V in PA
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It's almost like we are living in 1936. A world wide depression, but yet, most everyone was blissfully unware of the nightmare to come.

Look around people. The gears of a world war have been turning for some time now. WWIII is right around the corner.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:34 | 1749358 Kina
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It appears to me that TPTB have gotten themselves in a position were the US is now always just a moment away form losing total control and being plunged into chaos. It is walking a high wire miles above the earth in gale force winds and everybody is wondering if Europe might lay just a little bit of greece on the wire.


When they lose control there will be no stopping the dominoes that fall all the way through markets.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:44 | 1749390 Caviar Emptor
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Yup. That's been the scenario for 4 years. And each time they snatch it out of the jaws of defeat. But each additional time that happens so soon after the last it costs in terms of confidence, credibility and fer sure in terms of Bennie Bux. The real cost is in the rising toll of biflation: each 'rescue' accentuates biflation, making life for the middle class and small business increasingly unsustainable. It also has deep global side effects that are growing spookier

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:40 | 1749582 Henry Chinaski
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The farce is out in the open now.  Hell, TPTB aren't even trying to hide it anymore. 

The tea partiers noticed it first and the Occupiers are coming around.   They see the effects of the problem, but can't define it or see the root cause.  It is dawning on people that both political parties produce about the same result.  I hope everybody follows their concerns and grievances to the logical conclusion.  Individual liberty and responsibility is the answer.  The founding fathers figured this out and Ron Paul is preaching their gospel of liberty.  The Austrian economists established the theoretical proof.  It takes study and thoughtful consideratoin to see the truth.  Central planning fails every time it is tried.   (Most people on ZH are already there.)

Most people are still asleep.  One by one, they are waking up.  Now is the time to spread the message of liberty at every opportunity.  As the situatipon deteriorates, more people will be looking for answers. 

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:36 | 1749367 FoieGras
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The pre-depression level of employment was the result of insane leverage in the private sector. This will not be reached again for another 20-30 years. Forget about it.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:46 | 1749399 Caviar Emptor
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That's optimistic. I've been calling it the great downsizing. When you hear that the largest US corporations are contracting domestic business and jobs so that they can expand abroad it's a tell

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:41 | 1749382 metastar
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The headline assumes O will get a second term. I'm still hoping he won't have the opportunity to finish his first.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:08 | 1749476 Long-John-Silver
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Fast and Furious revelations are coming as furiously fast as cockroaches running from a Solyndra solar exposure.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:41 | 1749386 firstdivision
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Obama is not getting a second term.  That is basically guaranteed at this point, think Bush senior.  The jobs picture will not improve for 10 years, regardless of who is in office come Janurary 2013. 

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:45 | 1749396 digalert
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Joe Blow Biden

June 25, 2010:

"there's no possibility to restore the 8 million jobs lost in the great recession."

Way to go Joe!

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:47 | 1749404 Caviar Emptor
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I give a lil credit to ole Joe this time. It's a rare thing to hear some truth out of Washington. Now if only they could act on the truth

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:49 | 1749415 firstdivision
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That is the first intelligent comment I have ever heard by Biden.  Has anyone check the temp in hell lately?

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 12:19 | 1749914 Shvanztanz
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I actually glanced in a drawer at a watch I hadn't wound for months, and was shocked and amused when it read the exact time it actually was at that moment, though it hadn't run in ages. It's true what they say about stopped clocks...

Even Joe was bound to say something resembling the truth sooner or later, though I believe completely by accident.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:46 | 1749401 Snakeeyes
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This is what Bill Gross said as have I. We need 250k per month.



Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:06 | 1749474 buyingsterling
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Does that include current immigration levels - 100K legal, 50-100k illegal / month?

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:47 | 1749408 buzzsaw99
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I agree, if we give Owebama another chance the jobs picture will almost certainly improve dramatically in freedumb's land. :snark!:


ps: don't touch my junk bitchez

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:51 | 1749422 RobotTrader
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I wonder how high the Dow will be when we finally reach full employment again?

Might take a few years, but it will happen eventually.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:54 | 1749442 buzzsaw99
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Your broker called. He said thanks for playing:

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:55 | 1749445 firstdivision
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We will never reach full employment again.  That is a fact.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:21 | 1749525 buyingsterling
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Within the current system where everyone is signed up properly and the IRS is getting its cut, you're right. But that system clearly isn't sustainable. Some kind of move to free labor will be necessary, where the bulk of people do their jobs and don't have to file taxes. If the lower 50% of income earners are paying no net federal taxes, and paying only SS, medicare and sales taxes, free them. Tell them they will get no SS and no medicare, but can earn and save whatever they can from their local economy. Apply taxes only to corporations and to businesses selling internationally and/or in multiple states. 


Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:45 | 1749614 falak pema
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It won't happen as long as the international labor arbitrage model is dominant in Oligarchic thinking prevalent on WS/DC and now the mantra world-wide. In that framework, there will never be full employment in USA; unless standard of living in USA goes below that of Mehico. And China and India...etc.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:53 | 1749433 DruidDoc
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As a Canadian, does it matter if Obama gets second term or not?  It is the banksters,who call the shots and democracy is simply an illusion to keep the sheeple drugged and clueless.  My prayers and wishes are for Ron Paul, and all those who seek the truth and understand all that they have told to believe by the PTBs maybe simply a control algorhythm to benefit the .01 % at the expense of the many.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 13:26 | 1750199 V in PA
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Blaming the banks for our problems is like blaming the guy, who screwed your wife, for the infidelity. A wife makes a promise to be faithful to you, as does our Government (swear to uphold the Constitution). The guy she sleeps with made no promise to you and NEITHER did the banks / big corp!

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 09:58 | 1749452 docmac324
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"You now have two minutes to reach safe distance" (Aliens)



Looking for riots this time next year, at a theater near you.


Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:01 | 1749460 FunkyOldGeezer
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Obama second term - Ain't gonna happen

Ron Paul elected - Ain't gonna happen

262,000 new jobs per month - Ain't gonna happen, until an ultra low Dollar encourages Chinese/Indian/Brazilian/Vietnamese/rest of the world to move their manufacturing base, lock, stock and barrel to America.

Be very careful what you wish for.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:02 | 1749462 Caviar Emptor
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THis was predictable (and may turn into something):

Reuters: Belgium told France on Thursday that it was not willing to foot the whole bill for rescuing the bank. [Dexia]

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:08 | 1749479 Grimbaldus The ...
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What second term?

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:09 | 1749485 Bill Lumbergh
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Real shame the next census is not performed until 2020...that could generate quite a short-term boost of employment and show the economy is "prospering".

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:18 | 1749515 disabledvet
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Moreso than even Goldman Sachs the President is really in deep doo-doo. The wolves are circling and shaking down our hapless Department of Energy like kids smacking a pinata. Not even Larry Kudlow is calling for an investigation into the corruption which is the obvious moral and practical basis for not wanting our taxes increased. Here we are in the information age and yet nobody has any clue how our tax dollars are being spent? The President hasn't even submitted a budget. EVER? I see half the city of Chicago ending up in Minneapolis before he's done. If there is a hail mary it's lowing the age of enrollment into Social Security and start buying off "less than seniors." i'm still waiting for coverage of the Middle East peace process...there's a surprise. Someone doesn't want us to have peace in the Middle East but as many dead Americans as possible instead. That should be interesting.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:20 | 1749521 brent1023
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This article appears to be suggesting that if a Republican is elected instead of Obama then the economy would take off and all those unemployed would get jobs within 4 years. Do I have that right?

Does that assume a change in Republican policies or a continuation of existing policies? Current policies are clearly job killers - more for the 1%, nothing for the 99%. So current policies won't do it.

So, it must mean a change in policy? To what? To current Obama policies? How would that make any difference over what we have now?

What is clear is that the US economy is in a deep hole. What is clear is that the Republicans are solely concerned with winning the next election and if destroying the economy is what it takes, that is what they will do.

The only recipe for improvement is complete defeat of all Republican members of congress. That would send a signal that would shake up the 1% and get the country back on the track as envisioned by the founding fathers.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:24 | 1749536 the not so migh...
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The 1% control both parties, obvoius proof is there really has been no policy changes from Bush to Obama and going back further.  Bailouts continued, corruption continued, wars continued, market manipulation continued, and the FED Reserve continued unabated.


Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:42 | 1749593 buyingsterling
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The republicans are as useful as tits on something that has no business having tits. If UE improves with Obama out, it will likely be because the fear level has abated somewhat. People are scared shitless of the inept, angry narcissist Obama - there's literally no telling what this guy is going to do from one day to the next - most of it is pathetically predictable, but somehow he just gets worse and worse, as a leader and a person.  There's a widespread perception that he hates America and most Americans - all non-Marxists with an IQ over 100, of any color. He's a hater, a bitter little man who never got over the fact that his mommy preffered globe-hopping and spreading her legs to bringing up her POS kid. He's not the cause or root of our problems, but he's a glaring reminder that we have little or no control over our future so long as he and his mentality have a hand anywhere near the rudder.

So TPTB must want Obama to win - that will keep America off balance for another four years, or plunge it into conflict. President Puke keeps us divided, which is just where they want us. Eventually they will get their wish and some white folks will kill some flash mobbers, or the government will run up another false flag, and arguments about restoring freedom will be drowned out. Then some state(s) will try to leave the union, whereupon President Puke will declare them enemies. He'd love to set off a nuke on an American city and be able to blame it on some shadowy enemy. That would finally show everyone who's boss.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:21 | 1749524 vast-dom
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Are we accounting for true unemployment or the official stats? Because 261,200 needs to be multiplied by at VERY LEAST 2x to approach reality out there.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:22 | 1749528 FoieGras
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Obama would be the first presidentin history to get elected for a 2nd term while the country is in recession. Probably not going to happen.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:01 | 1749671 anony
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You misunderestimate the power of the Jewish Concordiat.

If they want theBamster, he's in again.

IF they don't (which is about as likely as god making me happy) he's out.

His re-election is assured.  No matter what he does between now and a year from now, he has a solid 42% of the electorate in his corner who will hold their noses while they pull the lever for him.

All he needs is independents like me (who wouldn't vote for him or any other politician, dem or repub, now extant) and there are enough of them who will NOT VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 12:15 | 1749903 Shvanztanz
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Define the Agenda you would vote for.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:35 | 1749567 Kina
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Everything is great again, recovery now in place. Reason for lots of optimism. The MSM take on NFP.


Those criticising ZH for reporting negative data might want to go and ride MSM manufactured Unicorns, it will make you all feel more comfortable and all much more keen to buy stocks on their advice, since there is little risk now that milk and honey are flowing in the desert.

Fri, 10/07/2011 - 10:54 | 1749646 anony
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That's a curious statement:  "Create 261,000 jobs....."

When I look around, I see millions of jobs every day that need doing.  Millions and millions.

The problem is not the false, fake, faux of job creation as exemplified in labor unions, government, and bureaucracies, which are simply "jobs without work" to be done.

The real problem is, "How do I get paid for the millions and millions of jobs that desperately need to be done???" 





Fri, 10/07/2011 - 11:50 | 1749821 anony
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I don't understand the first thing about, "Economics".

Let's say that the FED prints all the trillions of dollars it must to put 250,000 'muricans to work every month, whether it's to go into paid training for the jobs in infrastructure that desperately need to be done, or if they have the skills required to go right to work in those jobs and others that need to be done, like alternatives to fussy fuels.

Where is the harm, and why?


Fri, 10/07/2011 - 12:09 | 1749881 Shvanztanz
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If I lose 1.6 Million dollars of the family's cookie jar money at the casino, but then play some nickle slots and un-lose back 103,000, then doesn't that mean that my old lady will be thrilled that instead of the 1.6 million we have 103k instead? But Sweetie, I WON 103,000$!!

How is it that 400k jobs X 4 weeks in the month = -1,600,000 jobs but a corresponding monthly total for hires is 103,000 (to be revised) = -1.497 Million.  

How is that considered a GAIN of any kind. That's like when the school yard bully punches you in the gut, while taking your lunch money, but says with a laugh, don't worry, I'm investing it for you. You'll be rich someday.

I wonder if this is the math that has the protesters so furious.


Fri, 10/07/2011 - 13:28 | 1750220 Problem Is
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Yeah but how many jobs need to be created before the end of Obama Bin Lyin's one and only term???

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